Poll of the Day > 4rth Stimulus check

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Hit or miss I suppose. Either way doesn't bother me.

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Only if it requires being fully vaccinated.

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I don't understand how it could be a miss.


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UBI/NIT but only for fully vaccinated people.

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Maybe I'm just too tired, but that 4rth gave me a good laugh.

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EvilMegas posted...

I don't understand how it could be a miss.

Yeah really. I can't see too many people going "No, it's cool. I have enough money right now".

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Every stimulus check both devalues the current money we have, and also seems to be increasing the cost for everything as more people have more money and so the demand for things and cost for them go up.

I'm not saying it's a totally bad idea, but it should be needed, and there seems to be alot of jobs available that would cause the need for a stimulus check to be less.

I would certainly require anyone who wants to be eligable for one to have had a vaccine shot, and be actively looking for work/working or disabled etc.

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wolfy42 posted...

Every stimulus check both devalues the current money we have, and also seems to be increasing the cost for everything as more people have more money and so the demand for things and cost for them go up.

Universal checks is simply a one-time form of wealth redistribution and in doing so it benefits those in the bottom 50% of personal wealth.

Correction: benefits everyone below the MEAN of individual wealth (not median). Which actually benefits the majority of Americans, based on how wealth is distributed.

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KJ StErOiDs posted...

Only if it requires being fully vaccinated.

I like this. We're already means testing it, so just add one more qualifier to it. Get vaccinated and get paid.

Im in favor of UBI so obviously yes Im in favor of this.

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See my problem with stimulus checks is they are not UBI and it's a temp solution that has negative long term consequences.

Specifically to those who are older, but are not super wealthy/have a ton of money saved up and are living on a fixed income.

While alot of the increases in cost have been due to covid, and hopefully they will go down again in the future (though that rarely seems to happen) the cost of living everywhere has seemed to skyrocket in the last year or so, and part of that is due to the unemployment stimulus checks etc. This has caused people to be able to pay more for rent, and therefore a higher demand for rentals, which due to the way things work in this country, it's increased the rental prices almost everywhere (they just were talking about this on the news in fact).

The cost of food has also skyrocketed due to covid (lack of workers, hacking meat plants etc), which is probably not going to go down soon either.

More stimulus checks mean more debt, which also means the money anyone elderly does have saved is worth less. This isn't a big deal for those who are well off or rich, and have plenty of money for retirement, but if all you have is a bit to suppliment social security with (which isn't nearly enough to even rent most places now...I'll be getting $1100 a month when I qualify for it in 10 years...if I'm alive....which I might not even be able to rent a room with by then).

IF they implement UBI and it's enough for you to actually live off, then that would be fine and i'm all for that, but there are to many people who are being squeezed harder and harder, who can't work anymore (I'm on the verge of that just because of my eyes), and don't have any other source of income to deal with the higher and higher cost of living.

So do UBI, or restrict the Stimulus checks more to only people who really need it, or SOMETHING, because just causing us to have more and more trillions in debt, devaluing the dollar and causing more competition for housing etc, is going to have VERY LARGE NEGATIVE repercussions for those on fixed incomes and just barely getting by.

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Much like the others i am not in need of it but i would gladly take it.

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Not really

The vax is available and there are plenty of job openings, it's time to get back to work America

If any payments are to be made, give em to the landlords that have been constantly screwed over

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A few hundred or even a couple thousand dollars isn't gonna help anyone long term. This country is fucked right now and probably for a long time. Rent and housing market has seen an insane increase overall in most of the country. On top of that, the price of many goods has skyrocketed and supply chains are fucked. Lockdowns fucked everything up so bad

OhhhJa posted...

A few hundred or even a couple thousand dollars isn't gonna help anyone long term

I really want to know what you smoke to think this kinda shit.

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JixHedgehog posted...

Not really

The vax is available and there are plenty of job openings, it's time to get back to work America

If any payments are to be made, give em to the landlords that have been constantly screwed over

Arv knows a lot of land lords that screw tenants over

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JixHedgehog posted...

give em to the landlords that have been constantly screwed over

I wholeheartedly disagree. My landlord already gets money, and is constantly trying to screw me over
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LinkPizza posted...

I wholeheartedly disagree. My landlord already gets money, and is constantly trying to screw me over

Sounds like me, she raised my rent $100 a year for 3 years in a row.

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EvilMegas posted...

I really want to know what you smoke to think this kinda shit.

Sure it helps for a little while. But the major issue is rent increasing up to 50% in the past year in many areas. And the housing market has made it impossible for middle class families to even buy a house right now. And tons of goods have seen these kinds of increases as well. For most, it will likely just keep them afloat for a couple extra weeks, or just pay bills that have been mounting.

I know you like to argue with me over dumb shit to score points or whatever, but cmon my dude, there are bigger problems that are the result of lockdowns and multi trillion dollar stimulus packages. That isn't helping this country long term

Black_Crusher posted...

Sounds like me, she raised my rent $100 a year for 3 years in a row.

Mine keeps trying to steal my large appliances. And lies about any late fees. And lies about people coming over. And tried to get money by having people come over to cut the grass. She says they overcharge, abs they do. But thats so she can get a cut. And I still havent let them cut it yet
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I fully support it. The stim checks have been helpful. It's the unemployment benefits that are the issue.

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Unbridled9 posted...

I fully support it. The stim checks have been helpful. It's the unemployment benefits that are the issue.

The stimulus checks are unemployment on steroids. I see now hiring signs every other building now. People need to get they ass back to work

OhhhJa posted...

The stimulus checks are unemployment on steroids. I see now hiring signs every other building now. People need to get they ass back to work

There's a key difference. Stim checks apply regardless of your employment. Unemployment only kicks in if you're not working. That difference is huge since it means that, if you earn more from unemployment than from work, you have no motivation to work.

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Mead posted...

Im in favor of UBI so obviously yes Im in favor of this.

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I mean, the rent increases could be a big problem for me long term. I am EXTREMELY lucky that I rented a basement with my current landlords in Tacoma 2 years ago. I am, very friendly, and helped them out a bunch here or there, and gave up a room I was renting (Without changing the rent I paid) so they could have storage in the basement etc, so they offered for me to move with them when the sold the house, and live here for the same amount I was paying.

I could probably find a room to rent for less, but not much less then I am paying now, and I certainly wouldn't have as much privacy. The BASE rental prices for a 1 bedroom now though are rediculous, and they are just continuing to go up.

If I was unable to rent a room/basement like this, I would have to try and work full time and that would be very hard on me, and it's not something i'll be able to do long term.

I could go on disability, but I believe that would only pay around $1000/month if I did (and I hate the idea of doing that). I'm ok with social security but I can't get that for another 10 years, and it will only be about $1200 if I get it at that age.

A stimulus check now, would be nice, but wouldn't make a big diff to me, but if that check means rent prices go up another $100 a month now, long term it would have a huge impact on me (especially if costs for everything else went up as well).

There has to be something we can do to curtail the insane rental price increase, the doubling of the average cost of food etc. They are going to price most people out of beef at least pretty soon, the prices here are insane already, heading towards $15-20$ a pound depending on the type of meat your getting, even ground beef is almost $10/lb now base price. Chicken which used to be dirt cheap is heading to old beef prices at this point etc.

I would love to believe that the prices will go down after covid ends and supply/demand becomes more regular, but I have never seen evidence of prices going back down after they went up in my life, so I highly doubt that will happen.

Honestly if they did do a UBI at least in many places you would need to give something like $2000 a month for most people to live, since not everyone can rent a room/basement. That is significantly more than many are getting on disability or social security right now, and are being expected to live on that.

What I REALLY need is to buy a mobile home somewhere like Forks WA where they are 10-20k and the lot rent there is around $200 a month, even if prices go up over time, i'll be able to afford that. Been to busy working etc to go up there and look into the mobile homes available etc. I wish I had bought one before covid happened as there was about 5 for around 10k. The 1 hour drive to a safeway detered me though.

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LinkPizza posted...

Mine keeps trying to steal my large appliances. And lies about any late fees. And lies about people coming over. And tried to get money by having people come over to cut the grass. She says they overcharge, abs they do. But thats so she can get a cut. And I still havent let them cut it yet

I worked in landlord tenant law for awhile. Do you have a year non-month to month lease? She can't change things mid lease, she can't charge you for mowing the grass etc unless it's in the lease (even if it's month to month), and as long as you pay by check etc, you have proof of when you paid rent and she can't charge you late fees on that.

Lots of protections for tenants in most states, so your landlord shouldn't be able to screw you over easily. Sadly if it's month to month, if she doesn't like that your standing up for your rights, she can just ask you to leave (and get a tenant that is more of a pushover instead).

Greedy landlords suck.

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wolfy42 posted...

I worked in landlord tenant law for awhile. Do you have a year non-month to month lease? She can't change things mid lease, she can't charge you for mowing the grass etc unless it's in the lease (even if it's month to month), and as long as you pay by check etc, you have proof of when you paid rent and she can't charge you late fees on that.

Lots of protections for tenants in most states, so your landlord shouldn't be able to screw you over easily. Sadly if it's month to month, if she doesn't like that your standing up for your rights, she can just ask you to leave (and get a tenant that is more of a pushover instead).

Greedy landlords suck.

We do a yearly lease that becomes month to month afterwards until we sign another lease. The late fees, I did have to pay. But she tried to say it was double what it was. And when I told her how much it was, she said she was looking at the lease. I said I was, too. And told her I could send it to her since I had only signed it a a couple months ago. Then she started say, never mind But Im planning to move soon, anyway. Thats why Im currently month to month. I just have to stop being lazy and make a few calls

For the large appliances, she keeps trying to say she owns them all on every lease. But I own the fridge and oven. She owns the dishwasher
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Unbridled9 posted...

There's a key difference. Stim checks apply regardless of your employment. Unemployment only kicks in if you're not working. That difference is huge since it means that, if you earn more from unemployment than from work, you have no motivation to work.

In this crazy world about 40% of workers (previous to Covid) made less than they currently can get with unemployment (after the bonus 300$ per week). Heck most of em made less then JUST the bonus $300 per week.

Good you say, they deserve more!!

Hell y eah, I agree, but....giving everyone more money in the US has negative side effects, since we are a supply and demand economy. The more money people have, the more demand there is for products, and therefore the more expensive they become.

Add in shortages of many things due to covid and the loss of workers (cause it's better for people to be on unemployment), and the cost of everything skyrockets.

So while I do think everyone deserves more money, more buying power etc, it's a similar situation to our medical system when obama care went into effect. Tons more people now had health coverage, but instead of building new hospitals, they actually closed quite a few down. We had more demand, but less hospitals.....which caused many people who desperatly needed medical attention to not get it (including my wife).

Now we are having a similar situation. Things are not too bad for people ON unemployment since they are getting a nice $2000+ from the gov every month, but because so many are getting that, people who are working for less than $15 a month, often 30 hours or less a week, because that is what their job offers, are seriously struggling. They are not making even close to $2000 a month (especially after taxes/deductions and costs (such as gas to get to work etc) AND they are working 5 days a week as well.

Here min wage is $13.50 which is much more then many places in the US. Someone who works 30 hours a week make about $400, but after taxes/deductions/tranportation costs etc, it's about $300 a week. They have a take home of $1200 a month or so, VS (in this state a min of 250$ or so a week for Unemployment + 300 stimulus =MIN of 550 x4) $2200 (no taxes) from unemployment.

One person stays home, has no expenses etc, and has $1000 extra to spend each month, and due to the fairly high state min wage, it's better in WA then many other places (though the rents here are pretty high).

This situation is untenable, but should in theory get better in September as long as bonus benifits end then. The real question is if the prices will settle down at that point or remain inflated. There are a ton of jobs available right now, but not jobs people would really want, and the VERY BRIEF period when they were offering $18+ an hour for normally min wage jobs, has already passed, it's back down to 13.50-14 for most of the jobs I see on indeed etc.

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LinkPizza posted...

We do a yearly lease that becomes month to month afterwards until we sign another lease. The late fees, I did have to pay. But she tried to say it was double what it was. And when I told her how much it was, she said she was looking at the lease. I said I was, too. And told her I could send it to her since I had only signed it a a couple months ago. Then she started say, never mind But Im planning to move soon, anyway. Thats why Im currently month to month. I just have to stop being lazy and make a few calls

For the large appliances, she keeps trying to say she owns them all on every lease. But I own the fridge and oven. She owns the dishwasher

Yeah, I love where I live, but I'm spending more then I need to. I mainly stay here cause A: I'm lazy and B: I really like who i'm renting from. I'm 30 mins away from everything though which is really hard on me, so like you, I need to start looking around.

I really don't wanna move tbh unless I buy a mobile home or something as it's so hit or miss with roomates and or landlords and my current ones are friends and like family so I'm really lucky. That being said, I don't like driving anymore and it's so hard to go shopping or even go out for food etc, so moving is something I will have to do eventually anyway.

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JixHedgehog posted...

Not really

The vax is available and there are plenty of job openings, it's time to get back to work America

If any payments are to be made, give em to the landlords that have been constantly screwed over

get back to the mines you worthless poors

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Mead posted...

get back to the mines you worthless poors

Lol, you haven't worked a day in your life, what would you know

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JixHedgehog posted...

Lol, you haven't worked a day in your life

far from true, but your type never let reality get in the way of your nonsense

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JixHedgehog posted...

Lol, you haven't worked a day in your life, what would you know

Mead literally met his wife at a job they both held at one point, IIRC
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ArvTheGreat posted...

Arv knows a lot of land lords that screw tenants over

LinkPizza posted...

I wholeheartedly disagree. My landlord already gets money, and is constantly trying to screw me over

Pre-Pandemic or during?

LinkPizza posted...

Mead literally met his wife at a job they both held at one point, IIRC

Don't care, I've finally blocked the mooch

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Also lots of people who have never held a job in their life (most of the extremely rich) or have held "consulting jobs" etc, have alot of input (even if mainly with their money).

The people who actually have had to work for a living and survive based on the money they have coming in, should certainly have a say in the conversation.

I'm mostly pro-UBI as long as it's fair and there is a good advantage to still working (at least till we automate enough so that most don't need to work). I'm pro free (and available) health care for everyone for sure.

Problem with UBI is until we fix other things (like insane rental prices and the fact they go up and up the more money people have available to them) UBI might not help that much. Landlords would probably just increase rent prices to a point where they get all the UBI and everyone still has to work as many hours just to live.

We need SOME form of base standard of living/cost that can be used fairly evenly across the country (with exceptions near water/beaches etc), first before UBI could really work, either that or it would have to be based on living costs for each area etc.

I WOULD 100% support getting some form of UBI for anyone who is disabled, elderly (55 or older instead of freaking 62) or has already worked at least 20 hours a week for 30 years or more...which in some cases could include people under 50).

That really should be a push first in my opinion, since the current system is not going to work, and many of those people have no other options.

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JixHedgehog posted...

Don't care, I've finally blocked the mooch

whatever will I do

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wolfy42 posted...

The people who actually have had to work for a living and survive based on the money they have coming in, should certainly have a say in the conversation.

i dont think anyone has tried to say otherwise regarding this

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JixHedgehog posted...

Pre-Pandemic or during?

The whole time. Before and during
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LinkPizza posted...

The whole time. Before and during

and if they were the only one getting assistance they likely wouldnt lower your rent anyways

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Mead posted...

and if they were the only one getting assistance they likely wouldnt lower your rent anyways

This is correct. She might even raise it a lower
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LinkPizza posted...

Mine keeps trying to steal my large appliances. And lies about any late fees. And lies about people coming over. And tried to get money by having people come over to cut the grass. She says they overcharge, abs they do. But thats so she can get a cut. And I still havent let them cut it yet

Her thing is BUT MUH ELECTRICITY BILL SO HIGH meanwhile I'm out of the house at work all day and my family is never there much either. Upstairs though she has 3 A/Cs running all day and other such B.S. Oh, and she goes on a lot of vacations and crap too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCiYmCVikjo


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JixHedgehog posted...

give em to the landlords

landlords are fucking leeches

they do nothing but mooch

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Black_Crusher posted...

Her thing is BUT MUH ELECTRICITY BILL SO HIGH meanwhile I'm out of the house at work all day and my family is never there much either. Upstairs though she has 3 A/Cs running all day and other such B.S. Oh, and she goes on a lot of vacations and crap too.

Mine sent TWO fakes plumbers to my house before sending the real ones. And then also lied about them coming over to fix it by saying they wouldnt come over unless I mopped Except the ones coming over to fix the problem had never been to the house
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KJ StErOiDs posted...

Only if it requires being fully vaccinated.

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OhhhJa posted...

The stimulus checks are unemployment on steroids. I see now hiring signs every other building now. People need to get they ass back to work

here's the thing

people want to work.

people do not want to work 3 jobs just to live in squalor.


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