Poll of the Day > 41 y/o Iowa Man gets 10 YEARS for SPITTING on a Man claiming he had COVID-19!!!

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41 y/o Shane Wayne Michael rolled snake eyes after he REJECTED a 2 year plea deal of PROBATION and would rather fight the power and let a jury decide his fate when he was charged for SPITTING and assaulting another Man claiming he had COVID-19!!

It happened on Nov. 11,2020 when Mark Dinning called Shane out for wearing his mask incorrectly inside a grocery store and told him to secure his nose.

Shane claimed it was Mark who instigated the assault claiming SELF DEFENSE because Mark "shoulder checked him" and "poked him in the stomach"

He said the fight eventually went to the ground when both men wrestled one another and Michael had Shane pinned where Dinning bit his arm and Shane countered by poking his finger in his EYE.

But a witness, Bob Darr and a store employee said Shane initiated the confrontation when he followed Dinning outside the grocery store after the mask suggestion and attacked him and spat on his face yelling "If i have COVID, you have it too!"

Shane was ultimately arrested and a mugshot doesn't show any visible injuries whereas the injuries on Dinning were evident

Prosecutors offered him a plea deal in February that would allow him to plea willful injury causing bodily harm, a lesser charge that would have gotten him 2 years of probation

But he rejected it claiming he will be vindicated and let a jury decide..the charges were then upgraded to willful injury causing serious injury, a far serious offense.

He was found guilty on April at the trial and was sentenced to 10 years in the big house for a class C felony

His family spoke out on the lengthy sentence claiming it was inordinately harsh given the nature of the crime

His father, Dennis said "It's like Dinning got a black eye in a bar fight, and now my son is getting 10 years in prison"

He leaves behind 6 grown children and his wife Becky as she doesn't know what she's gonna do to survive in 10 years with no income coming.

She said "He's my rock, he's my protector. I don't know what i'm going to do without him. I'm lost without him"

Dennis says his son rejected the deal because he felt strongly on his self defense against him and that he did not commit a crime and adds his son wears his masks lower due to "breathing problems" caused by asthma

Would you have accepted the 2 year probation deal if you were Shane?

Shane - Rolled the Wrong Dice

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Mark - Attacked

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I want to see pictures of the snake eyes.
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Hell probably get spit on by someone in prison, not on his face though

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Fair, next. He wants to martyr himself because he's got too much moronic pride to take a very reasonable plea deal, I see no reason not to give him that.

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"Michael had Shane pinned"
He pinned himself? I thought it was Shane Michael vs Mark Dinning?
"she doesn't know what she's gonna do to survive in 10 years with no income coming."
Really, a news article said "gonna?"

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HYPERMECHA posted...

"Michael had Shane pinned"
He pinned himself? I thought it was Shane Michael vs Mark Dinning?
"she doesn't know what she's gonna do to survive in 10 years with no income coming."
Really, a news article said "gonna?"

It's a direct quote obviously.
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10 years is laughably excessive (wtf? seriously?) and he's a fucking moron for not taking the two year probation, although given that he did something this stupid in the first place he was likely to offend during those two years. The only reason to not take the probation is if he didn't do the thing he was accused of doing. And, honestly, I would like to see more people face a little jail time (but I'm talking maybe at least maybe a couple of days) for spitting on people, because that's a pretty fucking vile assault.


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Subject: *gets into prolonged fight*

Duckbear: *blames just the spitting*

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This was aggravated assault.

pull the mask up. The asthma excuse is an outright lie.

business owners have aN absolute right to dictate who or what people wear on premises. (Subject to state anti discrimination laws) If a store owner says you wear a clown nose then you better damn skippy wear a fucking clown nose.

of course if they go too far then they risk losing business.

mask wearing during a pandemic is not even close to too far.


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Heard the 10yr sentence was because of mandatory minimum in Iowa. Still think 10 is too long, but honestly the guy knew the risk. His inability to grasp that his actions can have serious consequences is why this whole situation started.

And this is pretty much why I don't even bother telling the (many) people I see wearing their mask wrong that they're wearing it wrong. Better to just assume they're wearing nothing and act accordingly.

Conner4REAL posted...

The asthma excuse is an outright lie.

Seriously. I've put mine on during an asthma attack and been perfectly fine. I've also put one on while in the emergency room because I felt like I was having trouble breathing after choking, and my O2 sat was still 100% (which also meant I wasn't actually having trouble breathing and I was actually just reacting to the irritation in my trachea/lungs, which was nifty). There is no physical basis for masks impairing breathing. Any sense that they do is entirely psychological (which isn't necessarily invalid, but it should be treated as the anxiety issue it is instead of letting people pretend it's physical).

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I have a harder time breathing with a mask on, and it sure as shit isn't "psychological"

That isn't going to stop me from wearing one when I'm supposed to, but please don't try to tell me that any breathing difficulty I may encounter with it in is just in my head.

Mead posted...

Hell probably get spit on by someone in prison, not on his face though

Prison rape jokes are still in season?

adjl posted...

There is no physical basis for masks impairing breathing.

Except that they actually do impair breathing. You're fine to argue that they don't by an amount that would be relevant or noticeable in day to day life but would you suggest someone run a marathon in one? There is a reason the CDC doesn't recommend wearing one during strenuous activity or if you have breathing problems. Like there's physically something in front of your mouth and nose, unless you have gills it will obviously change your air intake, it's pure common sense.

mrduckbear posted...

He leaves behind 6 grown children and his wife Becky as she doesn't know what she's gonna do to survive in 10 years with no income coming.

Well... should someone tell her that companies arent exactly falling over themselves to hire felons?

Becky best get use to this song:
https://youtu.be/09ZSKE38lTU

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Philip027 posted...

I have a harder time breathing with a mask on, and it sure as shit isn't "psychological"

That isn't going to stop me from wearing one when I'm supposed to, but please don't try to tell me that any breathing difficulty I may encounter with it in is just in my head.

There are countless examples out there of people that have worn pulse oximeters for entire 8-hour shifts while wearing a mask and seen no change from their regular O2 saturation levels. Masks do not appreciably limit our ability to breathe. It is, in fact, all in your head: an instinctive response to having something covering your nose and mouth rather than a consequence of any actual changes in blood gas concentrations.

As I said, that doesn't mean it's not legitimate. Trouble breathing is trouble breathing, and anxiety responses are genuine problems that should be addressed instead of dismissed. It does, however, mean that it's possible to overcome it by training yourself out of that anxiety response, rather than accepting it as an inevitable physical reality.

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There are countless examples out there of people that have worn pulse oximeters for entire 8-hour shifts while wearing a mask and seen no change from their regular O2 saturation levels.

Good for them.

There is no amount of examples you can provide that would change the fact that my breathing is noticeably impaired when I'm wearing a mask.

It is not an anxiety response. I don't experience any such thing about wearing a mask. I know what an anxiety response looks/feels like, and it's not what I'm experiencing here.

Again, please don't try to dictate to me or others what's going on in our heads.

Does that guy really even have asthma, though? Is he the kind of asthmatic who relishes getting into fights and carrying out violent assaults?

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The only thing I can come up with is the dude thought other trumpsters in the jury would defend him if he took it to jury. However his actions were apparently just too irrational, anyone dumb enough to do this also isn't smart enough to realize there was no way he was getting off without some charge. It was just too dumb to reject a plea deal that kept you out of prison when any layer should have been able to tell him "you're guilty".

If I get charged with anything that could give me jail time and I get a plea deal that offers no jail time I'm taking that right away, he's an idiot but we could tell based on his actions that got him there in the 1st place

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Philip027 posted...

There is no amount of examples you can provide that would change the fact that my breathing is noticeably impaired when I'm wearing a mask.

It is not an anxiety response. I don't experience any such thing about wearing a mask. I know what an anxiety response looks/feels like, and it's not what I'm experiencing here.

Which explanation do you think is more likely?

• Feeling like your breathing is impaired is a subconscious panic response (albeit a mild one) to having something covering your mouth/nose
• Your respiratory system somehow works differently from that of everyone that has conducted such an experiment, all of which have found no measurable changes in breathing ability

The data's out there, and there is absolutely no evidence that masks reduce blood oxygenation. Whatever you're feeling, it's not hypoxia (or hypercapnea, since that's the body's actual metric for identifying such problems), no matter how strongly you feel that it must be a physical issue.

Philip027 posted...

Again, please don't try to dictate to me or others what's going on in our heads.

Technically, I'm dictating what's going on in your lungs, which is going to be a consistent experience because everybody's lungs work the same way (at least as far as this is concerned). What I'm suggesting is going on in your head is just the most plausible explanation for your experience, since there's nothing going on in your lungs that would explain it.

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Again (...) it's not panic, it's not anxiety. I know what these feel like, and this ain't it, chief.

Your "data" doesn't account for everyone, simple as that. You don't speak for everyone.

If you're not even going to listen to what people are actually telling you about their breathing, I don't know why you're even participating in the discussion.

Link_of_time posted...

Heard the 10yr sentence was because of mandatory minimum in Iowa. Still think 10 is too long,

Which, if anything, is an argument against mandatory minimums.

Link_of_time posted...

but honestly the guy knew the risk.

I doubt anybody outside of people working with the law would know that carries a 10-year sentence, because that's fucking insane.

Reigning_King posted...

Prison rape jokes are still in season?

tbh, it's amazing the shit that guy gets away with. He's the most protected poster in the history of gamefaqs. I sometimes wonder what he has on the mod team.

Criminalt posted...

Does that guy really even have asthma, though?

It's possible? If it had been diagnosed, he should have considered bringing a doctor's note to trial.


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mrduckbear posted...

yelling "If i have COVID, you have it too!"

This is where he F'd up. To him, it was more about the "Oho and now I'm going to tell you that! Take that, buddy!" than actually incurring him the harm or not.

Because, if he did, he would just wait for the possibility to have come about... but he doesn't even actually know it... and that, right there, is what makes him a dumbass.

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Philip027 posted...

Again (...) it's not panic, it's not anxiety. I know what these feel like, and this ain't it, chief.

Whatever you want to call it, the central point is that you only feel like you're having trouble breathing. You're not actually having trouble. Whether that's a panic response, anxiety response, or just your brain being tricked in some other manner that doesn't have a convenient label, that's what's going on.

Philip027 posted...

Your "data" doesn't account for everyone, simple as that.

So you believe that your O2 saturation readings would differ significantly if you were to conduct this experiment on yourself? Despite every actual study on the subject finding that that is not the case? Do you have reason to believe that your respiratory physiology somehow differs from everyone else's?

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Whatever you want to call it, the central point is that you only feel like you're having trouble breathing.

And my central point is 1) you're wrong, 2) I am, and always will be, more qualified to speak about my own experiences than you.

Do you go up to people who are clearly feeling like shit and say things like "nah, you only think you're feeling shitty" as if you were some kind of expert on the subject on someone else's experiences? Because that's basically what you're attempting here. It's not working, by the way.

So you believe that your O2 saturation readings would differ significantly if you were to conduct this experiment on yourself?

I believe that I wouldn't give a damn what some readings would say.

I have a noticeably harder time breathing when I have a mask on than when I don't. End of. If the "O2 saturation readings" wouldn't account for that, then maybe a new metric needs to be found.

Again, it's not going to make me not wear a mask in situations where I should. But I'm also not going to go and say that it doesn't affect my breathing whatsoever, because that would just be a lie.

Reigning_King posted...

Prison rape jokes are still in season?

who mentioned rape?

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Philip027 posted...

I have a noticeably harder time breathing when I have a mask on than when I don't. End of. If the "O2 saturation readings" wouldn't account for that, then maybe a new metric needs to be found.

Do you say this because you have an idea for what a better metric might be of breathing ability than the amount of oxygen in your blood? Because I certainly don't. That's kind of the only point of breathing (well, that and getting rid of CO2, but the two go hand in hand). If your O2 sats haven't changed, your breathing ability hasn't changed.

Philip027 posted...

Do you go up to people who are clearly feeling like s*** and say things like "nah, you only think you're feeling s***ty" as if you were some kind of expert on the subject on someone else's experiences?

If I know for a fact that there is no physiological basis for their apparent symptoms? Sure (presuming there's some context for it, since approaching people out of the blue and saying that would be weird). I do a similar thing all the time with people that say their flu shot gave them the flu (the flu shot can't infect them, those symptoms are just the immune response to the vaccination).

I'm not an expert on your experiences, but I do know a thing or two about your (and all of humanity's) physiology, and what I know tells me that there is no physical explanation for your experiences (unless your respiratory physiology somehow differs from everyone else's, but you haven't mentioned anything like that and I therefore have no reason to assume that to be the case). That means they're psychosomatic.

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what I know tells me that there is no physical explanation for your experiences

Yeah, I've found doctors are pretty fond of giving that sort of line out when they can't otherwise explain why their patients are in pain. Guess that means they're just making the pain up though and it must be all in their head though, right?

Philip027 posted...

Yeah, I've found doctors are pretty fond of giving that sort of line out when they can't otherwise explain why their patients are in pain. Guess that means they're just making the pain up though and it must be all in their head though, right?

Pain's a bit of a trickier subject, since there are so many examples of nerves just inexplicably deciding to hurt. Even if there's no apparent physical explanation, I have no difficulty believing that pain is genuine, since that just happens sometimes, so I wouldn't default to a psychosomatic explanation there (and anyone that does is just being lazy and refusing to admit that they don't know, which is bad).

Breathing's a lot more straightforward: If you're getting the normal amount of oxygen into your blood, you're breathing fine. That's an easy, reliable metric for measuring normal function (pulse oximetry can be a little unreliable in terms of absolute measurements, but it's good at internal consistency). Therefore, any sense that you aren't must be a result of misinterpreting some signal or other.

I should reiterate that it all being in your head doesn't mean it isn't legitimate (same with pain). Whatever the basis for it, your experience is real, and it should be treated as a genuine problem regardless. This explanation just informs how you should approach that problem. It doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.

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or just your brain being tricked in some other manner that doesn't have a convenient label, that's what's going on.

The convenient label of what your brain being tricked into what's going on is that breathing warm air is uncomfortable

What are we talking about again?

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Breathing's a lot more straightforward: If you're getting the normal amount of oxygen into your blood, you're breathing fine.

I don't need a measuring of blood oxygen intake to know that I'm having a harder/easier time breathing. If you think that it is necessary, you're being ridiculous.

This discussion is over now.

Soup_or_Science posted...

The convenient label of what your brain being tricked into what's going on is that breathing warm air is uncomfortable

That's the root of the problem, but it doesn't account for the fact that it feels like you're having trouble breathing. The discomfort of breathing warmer, moister air and the feeling of having something over your nose/mouth are triggers that create the sensation that breathing is harder, even if it isn't actually impaired.

Philip027 posted...

I don't need a measuring of blood oxygen intake to know that I'm having a harder/easier time breathing. If you think that it is necessary, you're being ridiculous.

If you're actually trying to diagnose and treat breathing difficulties, O2 sats are absolutely necessary. That's how you determine how serious the problem is. Conversely, if one's O2 saturation hasn't decreased, they aren't having trouble breathing. They may be experiencing discomfort that feels like difficulty breathing, but their lungs are working just fine and that discomfort can be safely ignored.

Speaking from experience, I went through this after choking on some water (badly enough that it took a serious conscious effort to get enough air into my lungs to clear the blockage, though water can't create a complete blockage). I felt like I wasn't getting enough air, despite breathing feeling okay, so I went to the ER, because I was concerned that there may have been water in there impeding gas exchange. My O2 saturation was 100% (meaning it was literally impossible for my oxygen intake to be any better), my x-ray was clean, and the stethescope turned up nothing, so the conclusion was that the irritation of my lungs and bronchi was just making me feel like there was a problem. I kept an eye on it and took my inhaler, because asthma means that irritation could trigger bronchospasms that would turn into actual breathing difficulties, but despite how it felt, it was indeed fine.

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I said the discussion is over now. Keep prattling on if you wish, but I won't be seeing it.

It's a public forum, dude. You may not be listening, but this is a message plenty of people still need to hear.

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@Philip027 lol so you lose and then try to act like you won. Very impressive. For someone who has had their account for 20 years I don't think I've seen you post before.

I only have problems with masks if I'm outside since Arizona is too hot. That's just a face thing and not a breathing thing. Well except after having blood drawn. Managed to make it to the lobby before almost passing out while really sweating because of the mask.
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Philip027 posted...

I said the discussion is over now. Keep prattling on if you wish, but I won't be seeing it.

lmao who even are you

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lol so you lose and then try to act like you won. Very impressive. For someone who has had their account for 20 years I don't think I've seen you post before.

Someone basically saying "nope; what you say about yourself is invalid, because I say so" isn't even participating in a real debate. It's like someone trying to argue with someone else about what the other person's gender is. You don't get a say. There is nothing to be debated.

There was nothing to "lose" here, and the fact that you think there was tells me you're cut of pretty much the same cloth as that guy.

Philip027 posted...

Someone basically saying "nope; what you say about yourself is invalid, because I say so" isn't even participating in a real debate. It's like someone trying to argue with someone else about what the other person's gender is. You don't get a say. There is nothing to be debated.

There was nothing to "lose" here, and the fact that you think there was tells me you're cut of pretty much the same cloth as that guy.

lol you're just doing nothing but gibberish dude.

Philip027 posted...

Someone basically saying "nope; what you say about yourself is invalid, because I say so" isn't even participating in a real debate. It's like someone trying to argue with someone else about what the other person's gender is. You don't get a say.

That's not remotely analogous. Gender is a psychological trait, comprised entirely of one's own experiences, thoughts, and feelings. There is no empirical, objective basis for defining it.

On the other hand, there is only an empirical, objective basis for defining somebody's ability to breathe. If they're getting enough oxygen, they are not having trouble breathing. Period. Discomfort while breathing is subjective, and is what you're talking about, but the question of whether or not air is making it into the lungs properly is one that only needs O2 saturation to determine (then you can get into stuff like spirometry to figure out the nature of a problem once you conclude that one does exist). Subjective assessments indicate nothing except the need to check.

I'm not saying you aren't experiencing discomfort while breathing with a mask. I am saying, however, that you're getting all of the oxygen that you would while wearing one that you would without it. That has been empirically determined. Unless you have reason to believe that your respiratory physiology differs from that of everyone else that has been empirically studied, there's no reason to expect that your results would differ if you were similarly examined.

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I sure treasure threads like these; it's really helping me pad my ignore count.

Anyone else gonna volunteer...?

Philip027 posted...

I sure treasure threads like these; it's really helping me pad my ignore count.

Anyone else gonna volunteer...?

oh no he might put us on his list

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Mead posted...

oh no he might put us on his list

I actually believe him when he says his brain hasn't been getting enough oxygen.

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Sean Hannity told me that masks are psychological abuse for children

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Metalsonic66 posted...

Sean Hannity told me that masks are psychological abuse for children

The sad thing is he's probably the best one of Fox News. They're all really awful.
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