Poll of the Day > Do you generally consider yourself to be pro choice or pro life?

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abortion is in the news again as a big abortion case is headed to the supreme court

i really cant imagine any good argument against a medical procedure that is necessary for many people

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I am happy living in a country, where it is such a political non-issue, that even the religious political parties never mention it anymore.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

I am happy living in a country, where it is such a political non-issue, that even the religious political parties never mention it anymore.

really? which country?

Of course I support open access to abortion. I'm not a fucking idiot.

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Can't unload bowling balls with a pitchfork

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Pro abortion
Pro death penalty only, and I mean ONLY if every person on the jury is 100% sure the person did it AND the evidence shows there is not a way it could have been someone else.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

I am happy living in a country, where it is such a political non-issue, that even the religious political parties never mention it anymore.

Yeah but does your country have FREEDOM ? I don't think so!!!!!

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papercup posted...

Yeah but does your country have FREEDOM ? I don't think so!!!!!

You can keep your "freedom".

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I'm Pro-Death.

I support abortion, euthanasia, and the death penalty.
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

You can keep your "freedom".

It's spelt FREEDOM

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And I do not want any of it either way.

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Pro-choice, but still considering abortions to be bad and therefore being in favour of whatever supports are needed to reduce the rate at which they occur (namely comprehensive sex ed and birth control subsidies).

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Yeah abortion should be the final option, but it should always be an option

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abortions are based.

Choice is always better.

Someone preventing someone else from entering a situation theyre not prepared for, that could be awful for the baby, while saying they care for the baby, is stupid, and those people should feel bad. And expecting people to just not have sex, is also stupid. And those people should feel especially bad.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

I'm Pro-Death.

I support abortion, euthanasia, and the death penalty.

And assisted suicide (more specific than just euthanasia.)

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Hope every single one of you pro choice people are against mandatory vaccines...my body my choice right?

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Decoy77 posted...

Hope every single one of you pro choice people are against mandatory vaccines...my body my choice right?

What a fucking stupid comparison

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Decoy77 posted...

Hope every single one of you pro choice people are against mandatory vaccines...my body my choice right?

Actually no, you're not making a choice just for you when you don't get vaccinated, you're making a choice for everyone. You're telling the world "I don't care if I get you sick and you die". Not getting vaccinated because "it's a personal choice" is a non sequitur. It's an argument that literally makes no sense on any grounds.

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Decoy77 posted...

Hope every single one of you pro choice people are against mandatory vaccines...my body my choice right?

No, because anti-vaxxers are a threat to the health and life of everyone they go near.

Decoy77 posted...

my body my choice right?

don't pretend you ever cared about women's health lmao

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Pro abortion. For any reason, so long as it's before whatever cut off date.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

I'm Pro-Death.

I support abortion, euthanasia, and the death penalty.

I guess I'm pro-choice. Although it's more of a "government shouldn't dictate what you do with your body" thing than it is being okay with destroying a potential life.

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Pro-choice. All women I know are pro-choice, even if a few of them do not wish to have an abortion, personally - and they recognize the privilege of that position. I know one guy that I've gotten into it with - he doesn't seem to care if his 10 year old niece was raped - he thinks the life is 'sacred' and should come to term.

50% of fertilized embryos don't implant in the uterine wall, or fall out. so I'd expect those 'pro-lifers' to feel very strongly about those fertilized 'life forms' they claim to care so strongly about. I don't doubt that people who are 'pro-life' feel sincere, but I think people ought to try and separate the thought of a fertilized embryo and a baby.

The vast majority of abortions occur early in the first trimester. Pro-lifers constantly misrepresent what a fetuses looks like in different stages of development in this time period. The majority of late-term abortions (which are statistically rare) occur due to extremely severe health complications where nobody is getting through otherwise. This obsession with 'saving the life' of an unborn child is a fallacious approach to caring about the lives of children and babies.

The representation of abortion being 'destroying a potential life' is complete dogma that doesn't coincide with reality.

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The cycle of poverty in southern states is perpetuated by:

a) poor sex education

b) religious evangelism

c) poor healthcare access

Young people are deterred from contraceptives. Young people get pregnant. An abortion is inaccessible, expensive, far away, and socially discouraged. Less education, more poverty. Easy.

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I honestly lost all respect for my former friend when he hypothetically justified his 10 year old niece bringing a child to term. Oh well, his wife was a spineless goof too.

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Kotenks posted...

What does the natural death of a human life have to do with whether or not it's morally okay to intentionally end it? So by this logic, if a human life has a high mortality rate, it's morally okay to kill them? I'm not seeing the rationale here.

It's a zygote in early development...extending the rationale of flipping that switch that naturally occurs extremely frequently is in no way comparable to murdering a living person, who does not have a 50% change of dropping dead randomly on a Tuesday. False equivalency, next.

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A zygote is not a human life. It is a zygote. Do you want me to present you with a zygote and you can have a nice day with it? A bundle of cells that can become life does not equal life. I understand the morality of 'drawing the line' becomes extremely controversial and I understand that's where people have more reason to be upset. Still - I point to statistics showing the overwhelming majority of abortions occurring early and the rare late term abortions being due to extreme medical complication that would kill the mother and child.

Simply limiting medical access to abortion, as many states do, is foolish and based on religious dogma.

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No religious group will ever eliminate abortion, as that is impossible. They will only criminalize it to control women and perpetuate poverty. The right in America is too tied to religion and have been completely compromised to a level that they disavow scientific fact and basic human rights.

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I do not think the State should force people to carry pregnancies to term, or forcibly prevent people from ending their own lives, or have the power to execute people when the justice system is extremely flawed.

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ReturnOfFa posted...

A zygote is not a human life. It is a zygote. Do you want me to present you with a zygote and you can have a nice day with it? A bundle of cells that can become life does not equal life. I understand the morality of 'drawing the line' becomes extremely controversial and I understand that's where people have more reason to be upset. Still - I point to statistics showing the overwhelming majority of abortions occurring early and the rare late term abortions being due to extreme medical complication that would kill the mother and child.

Simply limiting medical access to abortion, as many states do, is foolish and based on religious dogma.

A zygote is human by definition. It isn't a person though.
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Yes it is.

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Also, is 166 supposed to be a lot?

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What's your 'secular reasoning' for being against abortion? That a zygote is 'human life'? Secular thought can still be based in religious dogma.

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I am pro-abortion. Abortion should be mandatory in the cases of severe heritable conditions.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

I'm Pro-Death.

I support abortion, euthanasia, and the death penalty.

I'm iffy on the pro-death triad because I don't trust the legal system enough.

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ReturnOfFa posted...

What's your 'secular reasoning' for being against abortion? That a zygote is 'human life'? Secular thought can still be based in religious dogma.

the only one I can think of is if that the abortion itself is risky to the mother - it's generally not considered sensible to put yourself at risk when you don't have to.

However, last I checked abortions are pretty safe and easy with childbirth being increasingly difficult (In the US)

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ReturnOfFa posted...

Also, is 166 supposed to be a lot?

No, it's not lmao

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Jen0125 posted...

No, it's not lmao

Exactly.

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Similar to '400 Asians sign petition against Andrew Yang'....yo homie, 400 Asians is a small amount of Asians last I checked.

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ReturnOfFa posted...

What's your 'secular reasoning' for being against abortion? That a zygote is 'human life'? Secular thought can still be based in religious dogma.

Logical consistency, mostly. There's plenty of room to argue that "killing humans is bad" is grounded in religious beliefs, but if we ignore that and start from that premise (since we mostly agree on it), there's really no concrete basis for drawing a line between a human with 60 trillion cells and a human with a few million cells. Any such arguments boil mostly down to convenience, which isn't a particularly sound moral basis for defining human life.

Instead, I prefer to liken abortion to taking somebody off of life support: You're choosing to end a human life based on your expectations for what that life would be like if it continued and the impact it would have on those around the person. It's a decision that can be justified (often quite easily), but it's nonetheless a very serious decision, and trying to dismiss it as being trivial or harmless is naturally going to rub people the wrong way that do recognize the gravity and harm associated with it. It's also a decision that only those directly involved in it can and should be making, so any efforts to legislate it or otherwise apply outside interference are wrong.

Basically, as I said earlier, the option should (and needs to) exist, but it should not be a decision that's taken lightly, and the resources and education should be made readily available to ensure that as few people as possible ever end up needing to decide.

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Pro choice. I see no reason why someone should be forced to bring life into this world they don't want, can't care for or any other reason they want to say.

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Im pro it is between a woman and her doctor, and nobody elses damn business

if youre against abortions then dont get one and shut the fuck up

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