Current Events > China says U.S. has caused humanitarian disasters through military interventions

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1337toothbrush posted...

The US were definitely not a force for good in Vietnam.

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GeraldDarko posted...

TC is always really angry.

so he is sort of like the hulk, only instead of getting more powerful with his anger he gets more pro-communism and anti-America?

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Is this about making them look better(especially during the whole human rights thing) or the US look worse?

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itachi15243 posted...

Is this about making them look better(especially during the whole human rights thing) or the US look worse?

both

the tankie shtick is to do both whenever possible

head over to r/sino to see exactly what I mean

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SPE posted...

so he is sort of like the hulk, only instead of getting more powerful with his anger he gets more pro-communism and anti-America?

Don't make me commie.

You won't like me when I'm commie.

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DrizztLink posted...

Don't make me commie.

You won't like me when I'm commie.

That's my secret I'm always commie

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Getting called out by China on these matters is like getting called out by Duncanwii on animal abuse or something similar.

Well he does support China so...

TheoryzC posted...

*insert Spider-Men pointing at each other meme*

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pure_temper posted...

Always suspected over the years that 1337toothbrush was one of those. Shame to see it tho.

Yo 1337toothbrush time to level up your thinking.

https://kops.uni-konstanz.de/handle/123456789/52153

"One of those" what? Anyway, I'm reading that roll of toilet paper you posted and it reads like a PR press release for the US.

Take this section, for example:

To support democratizers, the US developed preferential relations with existing democracies and mobilized pro-democracy coalitions in the UN and the OAS. In turn, the UN and OAS could apply pressure (for example, diplomatic segregation) to reassure certain actors (for example, business elites) that the new democracy would be supported and guarantee Latin American militaries the continuity of military cooperation after democratization.

I might have overlooked it, but the paper doesn't define "democratization". After reading the above section, however, it's clear that there's something crooked about what they think of as "supporting democracy". Take the OAS, for instance, they were instrumental in the recent coup in Bolivia by making claims of election illegitimacy. Of course, they didn't say a word when the fascists took over. With how favorably this paper speaks of the OAS, it's fair to assume they'd count this subversion of democracy as "supporting democracy".

You'll have to tell us why we should use this paper for anything other than to wipe our asses with because the paper speaks of democracy like George W Bush claims to have brought democracy to the people of Iraq. Seriously, look at things like this:

As a general rule, when the US supported authoritarian regimes, it did so for strategic reasons, as a bulwark against a perceived communist threat during the Cold War

"yeah the US supported authoritarian regimes, but it's only for strategic reasons!" The bias is blatant.

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Chinese backed, human rights organization.

This is how a story gets discredited as nothing more than bullshit in seconds.
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No offense TC, but you know at this point how CE is gonna react to your topics, and I wonder what you're getting out of it. Might be time to stop, lol.

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lol 1337toothbrush I'll give you a point or two for at least pretending to have read it

but honestly anyone open-minded can go ahead and read it for themselves, I won't prime anyone beyond pasting the abstract. it's not "a PR press release for the US" by any means

you've clearly always been way more interested & primed on anti-US bashing, I wonder why since you have never to my knowledge said a single damn thing about the Uyghurs in Xinjiang or what happened to Hong Kong.

HMMMMM

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Pretty sure every country with a military does this

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Shablagoo posted...

It might be hard to imagine, but some countries do actually care about human rights:

The fucking gall to say this about China is fucking insane.
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Here come the China apologists

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pure_temper posted...

lol 1337toothbrush I'll give you a point or two for at least pretending to have read it

but honestly anyone open-minded can go ahead and read it for themselves, I won't prime anyone beyond pasting the abstract. it's not "a PR press release for the US" by any means

you've clearly always been way more interested & primed on anti-US bashing, I wonder why since you have never to my knowledge said a single damn thing about the Uyghurs in Xinjiang or what happened to Hong Kong.

HMMMMM

You're not going to "prime anyone beyond pasting the abstract" because that's the only part you read and you take it at face value because it jives with your ignorant world view. Next time read the paper before you try to shove it into people's faces as proof of something and maybe then you won't embarrass yourself.

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puretemper refers to his beliefs as "leveled up thinking", he is completely sure of everything he already believes. you will never get through to him because he isn't interested in an interchange of ideas

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pinky0926 posted...

No offense TC, but you know at this point how CE is gonna react to your topics, and I wonder what you're getting out of it. Might be time to stop, lol.

It has to be considered trolling at this point.
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divot1338 posted...

I know some of you younger people arent all that knowledgeable about stuff that took place in the 80s and 90s but jesus christ man ...

It's not that he doesn't know about it, it's that he is denying it because there is no surviving footage of the attack in progress.

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Crazyman93 posted...

While they aren't wrong, they aren't saints either.

This. And although the US has sometimes killed more civilians in conflicts than the regime they were trying to stop... well, actually, I can't think of a good follow-up to that. Seriously, fuck many of the US's interventions. And fuck the media for giving Obama a free pass on one-upping GWB in many cases and then focusing on Trump's twitter feed instead of keeping America informed about the US military's actions at that time.

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note that they have footage of crowds of people standing unmoved and groups carrying lone wounded individuals for treatment but AFAIK no evidence that a tank actually fired a shell into a crowd or that "thousands" of people were killed

I get that this is a sensitive topic given China is an authoritarian regime but it would be nice to have any evidence whether by a handcam or sattellite of the up-to-10,000 deaths reported by some western governments

It also gets alleged that the "tank man" was "summarily executed" within days of the incident but there is not evidence of this either (wikipedia claims the claim comes mainly from an aide to Richard Nixon...), nor it is clear to me why China would hide such an execution if their goal is to demonstrate against counter-revolutionaries. Isn't the point of a Terror that people know to be afraid?

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They had to use firehoses to hose down the street afterward to get rid of the blood and human detritus.

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pure_temper posted...

I read the entire paper you tankie fuck

Dude no one is going to take you seriously when you call anyone who dares to criticize America a tankie. Also I still think its hilarious that a Christian marxist is so pro capitalist America and its military obsession.

And before you flip out, yes china is terrible and is committing genocide.

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I see that proudclad is still calling anyone who disagrees with him a commie bastard

The more things change, the more they stay the same

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lol in fairness 1337toothbrush is actually a tankie

pinky0926 posted...

No offense TC, but you know at this point how CE is gonna react to your topics, and I wonder what you're getting out of it. Might be time to stop, lol.

Hes well aware of what hes doing. This is bait

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Shablagoo posted...

Chinese state-backed human rights research organization

This is the point at which everyone should have stopped reading.

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Shablagoo posted...

It might be hard to imagine, but some countries do actually care about human rights:

According to the World Bank, more than 850 million Chinese people have been lifted out of extreme poverty; China's poverty rate fell from 88 percent in 1981 to 0.7 percent in 2015

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China

Fffffffffffff!


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The US has a history of invading other countries and putting their citizens at great danger while China has a huge record of oppressing their own people too.

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Shablagoo posted...

A Chinese state-backed human rights research organization is accusing the United States of a history of military interventions that it says have caused repeated humanitarian disasters.

The China Society for Human Rights Studies said in a new report published Friday, titled "Severe Humanitarian Disasters Caused by U.S. Aggressive Wars against Foreign Countries, that the U.S. has waged 201 armed conflicts among the total 248 that occurred in 153 regions of the world from the end of World War II in 1945 to 2001.

The group argued in the report that apart from being directly involved in wars, the United States has intervened in other countries' affairs by supporting proxy wars, inciting anti-government insurgencies, carrying out assassinations, providing weapons and ammunition, and training anti-government armed forces, which have caused serious harm to the social stability and public security of the relevant countries.

The foreign wars launched by the United States had resulted in disastrous consequences, including mass casualties, damage to facilities, production stagnation, refugee waves, social unrest, ecological crisis, psychological traumas and other complex social problems, the organization added.

The reports list of alleged cases of U.S. aggression date back to 1947, when the U.S provided military and economic aid to Greece, to former President Trumps opposition to Venezuelan President Nicols Maduro.

The report also cited the U.S.s historical involvement in global conflicts, including the Korean and Vietnam Wars, and in the conflicts in the Persian Gulf, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.

Choosing to use force irrespective of the consequences reveals the hegemonic aspirations of the United States, the report noted. Only by discarding the hegemonic thinking, which is chiefly motivated by self-interest, can we prevent humanitarian intervention from becoming humanitarian disasters.

The groups analysis comes amid heightened tensions between the U.S. and China, which continues to persist under the Biden administration following Trumps engagement in a trade war with Beijing, as well as calls from the former president for greater accountability from China for its early responses to the coronavirus pandemic.

The White House and lawmakers have condemned Chinas lack of transparency on its treatment of the Uyghur population in Xinjiang, with the U.S. continuing to levy sanctions on Chinese officials and firms in response.

On Thursday, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee introduced legislation that would impose additional sanctions on China over the treatment of the mostly Muslim Uyghur minority group in that country. The legislation would also support efforts promoting human rights in China, including the pro-democracy movement in Hong Kong.

The draft measure, called the Strategic Competition Act of 2021, also highlights the need to prioritize the military investments necessary to achieve United States political objectives in the Indo-Pacific.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/china/547329-china-says-us-has-caused-humanitarian-disasters-through-military

They are right.

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...Sure, Jiang. :P

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pure_temper posted...

And they've since been independent, for like 80 years. And must continue to be independent since they supply too much hardware & tech to the global economy for anyone to control them. Be it America or China or Russia.

Yea.

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Doe posted...

"leveled up thinking"

im gonna tag him with this title

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Conflict posted...

I don't know what happened TC

You seemed like a relatively normal dude with his own struggles and now you're... whatever this is.

the tankie radicalization rabbit hole is unfortunately very real. reminds me a lot of the alt-right/anti-SJW craze a few years back


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they're not wrong, but what are they doing about the clothing and shoes sweat shops, electronics factories (foxconn) and treatment of Ughyers?

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

lol in fairness 1337toothbrush is actually a tankie

I don't think that's true. I think he's a leftist. I don't see him apologizing for authoritarian state capitalism or denying atrocities. He just rightfully recognizes the awful things the US is doing as well.

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Anyone else think its wild that the CCP has people spreading propagand on a dying video game message board?

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Materus posted...

Anyone else think its wild that the CCP has people spreading propagand on a dying video game message board?

Have you been to literally any social media site recently? Unless they actively ban all tankies like ResetEra does you will see them.

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ssjevot posted...

I don't think that's true. I think he's a leftist. I don't see him apologizing for authoritarian state capitalism or denying atrocities. He just rightfully recognizes the awful things the US is doing as well.

Nah he's a full on tankie and not a very smart person tbh

People still unironically reply to Shablagoo's posts? The dude actually believes a fisherman in flip flops stopped a Coup d'tat.

KEKW.

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Doe posted...

puretemper refers to his beliefs as "leveled up thinking", he is completely sure of everything he already believes. you will never get through to him because he isn't interested in an interchange of ideas

LOL, accurate

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


This is just you believing what you want to believe. I dont mark posts unless they contain something like blatant racism/homophobia/etc.

HagenEx posted...

People still unironically reply to Shablagoo's posts? The dude actually believes a fisherman in flip flops stopped a Coup d'tat.

KEKW.

What?

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i see TC the genocide denier got btfo of his own topic but once again the mod staff here give zero fucks to his bait posting

@sballen you really need to overhaul this shithole of a mod system before you and your shitty mod staff kill the boards because people get fed up with this shitty ass trolling with zero consequences

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nfearurspecimn posted...

So that makes their human rights violations okay?

No, why would it?

The fact China is calling out the USA doesn't make the USA not guilty or not culpable.

The USA is a terrorist death machine on a global level.

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harley2280 posted...

Nah they're more focused on committing genocide.

CADE FOSTER posted...

Shab is a commie nothing to see here folks xinjiang genocide still happening everyday shab

MrKapowski posted...

How about the actual genocide they're actively engaged in?

Broseph_Stalin posted...

It's not a meme actually China is currently committing genocide.

RenescoStCewl posted...

Are you saying china isn't committing genocide right now?

According to the UN human rights website, there is an allegation of detention of Uyghurs, but it has not been proven:

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=26957&LangID=E

We are deeply concerned by these allegations which, if proven, would constitute grave human rights abuses, stated the Working Group on Business and Human Rights, one of eight UN independent human rights mandates to raise their concerns over treatment of members of the Uyghur minority.

Notice the words "allegations" and "if proven". An allegation is not proof of guilt.

China is innocent until proven guilty.

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oh and there's the other one

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Im telling on you

NOT IF I TELL ON YOU FIRST

Both countries suck. Deal with it

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