Current Events > Game Grumps drama (Dan Avidan accusations; repost)

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Cheeze_E_Breath
03/21/21 7:58:02 PM
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I'm reposting this after getting complaints about the previous topic's title being misleading. For that, I apologize. I figured the right thing to do was to close that topic and remake it with a better title. Hopefully this one's better. Anyway, here's what's going on:

https://www.reddit.com/r/rantgrumps/comments/m9yr2g/video_evidence_of_the_dan_accusations/

Here's this just in case the Reddit thread in question gets taken down:



Here's the previous topic for anyone who's curious:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79361225
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The_Creep_2020
03/21/21 8:01:39 PM
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He sounds trashy as fuck, and in all likelihood a groomer.

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Flauros
03/21/21 8:02:30 PM
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Is he the one that is grump or the one that is not so grump?

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LightningAce11
03/21/21 8:08:41 PM
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So did he groom anybody or were they overage?
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Hayame Zero
03/21/21 8:09:40 PM
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Conan O'brien wasted airtime on him.

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MRW1215
03/21/21 8:10:35 PM
#6:


I'm keeping an eye on this as a huge fan of NSP and GG, but I feel like the evidence posted so far doesn't necessarily point to grooming. Based on what's been shown, that sounds like quite a big leap. Not saying it can't be true, but the current evidence doesn't seem to show any "grooming" that I can see. There's two exchanges around the time she was turning 18 that aren't sexual in any way, and then a more sexual exchange when she was 22. I don't see how that points to predatory behavior.

Maybe the age gap is questionable, but beyond that, people mislead others to get sex with no relationship all the time. Is it kinda shitty? Sure. But it's not really "evil" or anything. Besides, plenty of musicians and celebrities sleep with "groupies".

I dunno. Again, if more evidence shows something more clear cut, then fine, but based on what's out there, I just don't get why people want him "cancelled".
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Slayer_22
03/21/21 8:11:13 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
So did he groom anybody or were they overage?

Messaged when young, things get sexual when legal, have sex, ghosts them.

That's what I'm seeing anyway. Legal, just scummy and definitely grooming.
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ZeroX91
03/21/21 8:11:28 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
So did he groom anybody or were they overage?
Sounds like she started texting him a month before she turned 18 and they fucked 4 years later....how she got his number is the weird maybe?

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Doe
03/21/21 8:11:38 PM
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The Catgirl Fondler
03/21/21 8:12:14 PM
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Sounds like groupie exploitation.

Which, while scummy as hell, isn't illegal as long as they're 18+. So yeah, definitely some drama here, but I don't think anyone is getting hauled off to prison (with the current evidence anyway, maybe there's worse I haven't seen yet).
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AirFresh
03/21/21 8:13:41 PM
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Doe posted...
HahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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ZeroX91
03/21/21 8:13:42 PM
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Slayer_22 posted...
Messaged when young, things get sexual when legal, have sex, ghosts them.

That's what I'm seeing anyway. Legal, just scummy and definitely grooming.
Thats a loose as definiton for grooming there. By that logic any relationship over an extended period of time that turns sexual....its scummy not sure it qualifies as grooming though

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Despised
03/21/21 8:14:57 PM
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AirFresh posted...
Doe posted...
HahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Omg lol
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Cheeze_E_Breath
03/21/21 8:15:40 PM
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Doe posted...
Perfect, lol.
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iPhone_7
03/21/21 8:16:02 PM
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Hayame Zero posted...
Conan O'brien wasted airtime on him.
Conan interviewed him?

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Realforce
03/21/21 8:16:21 PM
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Jon's tweet makes me wonder how things went down between him and Arin. Sounds like Arin was the one who ended things between them?

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refmon
03/21/21 8:16:40 PM
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Doe posted...
lmao

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MrNintendo1213
03/21/21 8:17:56 PM
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refmon posted...
Doe posted...
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lmao


Honestly that is actually super funny. But he's still a creepy pseudo science eugenics style racist so I hope not.
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AeroFlash15
03/21/21 8:18:44 PM
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Doe posted...
LMAO

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Doe
03/21/21 8:18:48 PM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
Honestly that is actually super funny. But he's still a creepy pseudo science eugenics style racist so I hope not.
didn't he apologize for that and renounce those ideas

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MrNintendo1213
03/21/21 8:19:44 PM
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Doe posted...
MrNintendo1213 posted...
Honestly that is actually super funny. But he's still a creepy pseudo science eugenics style racist so I hope not.
didn't he apologize for that and renounce those ideas

Maybe, but I never saw anything like that and as far as I know still likes to say dumb racist shit.
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CoorsLight
03/21/21 8:20:06 PM
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You don't befriend an 18 year old when you're like 35 unless you're either some immature weirdo or thinking about manipulating them for something (aka almost always sex). Legal I guess but it's sketchy as hell
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Doe
03/21/21 8:20:32 PM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
as far as I know still likes to say dumb racist shit.
examples? He even did a video critiquing the American pilgrim myth recently

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MrNintendo1213
03/21/21 8:21:25 PM
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Doe posted...
MrNintendo1213 posted...
as far as I know still likes to say dumb racist shit.
examples? He even did a video critiquing the American pilgrim myth recently

I don't pay attention to what he does at all so I have no idea.

Mostly I've just seen lots of fans of his on reddit who like to say and defend racist stuff.
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mach25687
03/21/21 8:21:47 PM
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Arin whole thing was with a lot sexual innuendo. So I don't see it far from the real person.

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AirFresh
03/21/21 8:22:11 PM
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Realforce posted...
Jon's tweet makes me wonder how things went down between him and Arin. Sounds like Arin was the one who ended things between them?
Arin wanted to turn it into a business. Jon just wanted to have fun.

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ZeroX91
03/21/21 8:22:21 PM
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CoorsLight posted...
You don't befriend an 18 year old when you're like 35 unless you're either some immature weirdo or thinking about manipulating them for something (aka almost always sex). Legal I guess but it's sketchy as hell
Makes a living making poop jokes over video games, you really gonna expect him to be neurotypical?

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MrNintendo1213
03/21/21 8:23:12 PM
#28:


CoorsLight posted...
You don't befriend an 18 year old when you're like 35 unless you're either some immature weirdo or thinking about manipulating them for something (aka almost always sex). Legal I guess but it's sketchy as hell


I'm not sure if he actually was making friends with her or not. In the reddit thing it only showed two messages between them when she was around 18 and it seemed like it could be just friendly fan chatter. If they kept in contact continously until she turned 22 that would make it look a lot more like grooming.
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Doe
03/21/21 8:23:30 PM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
I don't pay attention to what he does at all so I have no idea.
Why would you allege that he actively makes racist claims when you actually don't follow him at all...?

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MrNintendo1213
03/21/21 8:26:51 PM
#30:


Doe posted...
MrNintendo1213 posted...
I don't pay attention to what he does at all so I have no idea.
Why would you allege that he actively makes racist claims when you actually don't follow him at all...?

Edited my thing. Pretty much it's his followers who I've mostly seen being alt right racist types who defend the shit he said. So pretty much I've only seen the racist shitty stuff and never saw any real apologies or positive changes, so I didn't assume he got better over time. But I could be wrong I've never been super invested in it.
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LightningAce11
03/21/21 8:27:57 PM
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AirFresh posted...

Arin wanted to turn it into a business. Jon just wanted to have fun.

And yet he went and turned Jontron into a business with a studio, camera crew etc.
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WrestlinFan
03/21/21 8:31:39 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
And yet he went and turned Jontron into a business with a studio, camera crew etc.
Jontron isnt anywhere near the same thing as Game Grumps so whats your point?

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dave_is_slick
03/21/21 8:31:44 PM
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Slayer_22 posted...
definitely grooming.
...what.

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Hayame Zero
03/21/21 8:35:30 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
Conan interviewed him?
He was the guest musical act with NSP.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy
03/21/21 8:51:12 PM
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ITT - Terrible that musicians would sleep with women!

Gene Simmons literally slept with thousands of women and bragged about it. Most likely some of them were not of age. The only difference? Those women were mature enough to understand a consenting sexual liason does not give them the right to a relationship with the star they banged.

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K181
03/21/21 9:25:32 PM
#36:


So, let me get this straight after reading a bit online...

A 17 year old fan had a conversation with an adult once.

They don't talk for several years but then hooked up and banged when she was 22.

.... and?

I mean sure, a guy in his late 30s banging a 20ish person is kind of creepy, but so what? Legal age is legal age. I wouldn't search for tail that young, but I'm also not a celebrity that gets propositioned by randos online either.

And at least first glance it doesn't sound like grooming either. They seemingly only had a brief conversation once while she was underage and anything sexual took place years later, unless I'm missing something big.

This just seems like a bunch of people with an axe to grind jumping to a massive conclusion.

Please let me know if I totally and completely missed something.

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NinjaWarrior455
03/21/21 9:33:03 PM
#37:


Doe posted...
Why would you allege that he actively makes racist claims when you actually don't follow him at all...?
It was only a couple of years ago when Jontron was spouting some white replacement bullshit. I also don't know if he's renounced those views since then but the accusation of Jontron being racist alt right trash aren't coming from nowhere.

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Slayer_22
03/21/21 9:36:48 PM
#38:


ZeroX91 posted...

Thats a loose as definiton for grooming there. By that logic any relationship over an extended period of time that turns sexual....its scummy not sure it qualifies as grooming though

Well, see, normally I would agree with you. But when you spend years texting, then sexting, multiple girls then pump and dump them, don't you think there is some sort of intent there?

Not saying he's a pedo, but the allegation is him grooming and I can't say I disagree.
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markconigliaro
03/21/21 9:37:46 PM
#39:


K181 posted...
Please let me know if I totally and completely missed something.

Nope, that's exactly what happened, basically nothing.

https://twitter.com/smol_katt/status/1373763205797978113?s=20

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DeathVelvien
03/21/21 9:43:49 PM
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markconigliaro posted...
Nope, that's exactly what happened, basically nothing.

https://twitter.com/smol_katt/status/1373763205797978113?s=20
It's missing the part where they sexted with each other at some point after she came of age. But it's unclear when exactly that was, and is probably not a huge deal anyways.

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Chadwick69
03/21/21 9:43:56 PM
#41:


Didn't we learn from the Projared situation to not just blindly believe what we hear?
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Turbam
03/21/21 9:48:57 PM
#42:


Doe posted...
JonTron does it again

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Nukazie
03/21/21 9:49:27 PM
#43:


Chadwick69 posted...
Didn't we learn from the Projared situation to not just blindly believe what we hear?
but the accusations!

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dave_is_slick
03/21/21 9:51:03 PM
#44:


Slayer_22 posted...
Well, see, normally I would agree with you. But when you spend years texting, then sexting, multiple girls then pump and dump them, don't you think there is some sort of intent there?

Not saying he's a pedo, but the allegation is him grooming and I can't say I disagree.
I don't see how grooming can ever apply to adults.

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LightHawKnight
03/21/21 9:52:39 PM
#45:


Chadwick69 posted...
Didn't we learn from the Projared situation to not just blindly believe what we hear?

When does the internet not blinding believe everything?

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Damn_Underscore
03/21/21 9:54:20 PM
#46:


Doe posted...

Wow lmao

And it's real too

https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/1373754145497350146

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ChocoboMogALT
03/21/21 9:55:31 PM
#47:


This isn't "one girl had a bad time." This is years and years of similar allegations showing a habit of sketchy behavior.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy
03/21/21 9:58:20 PM
#48:


ChocoboMogALT posted...
This isn't "one girl had a bad time." This is years and years of similar allegations showing a habit of sketchy behavior.

What is sketchy? The fact that he has thousands of people who want to communicate with him and he was single and engaged in a consensual sexual time with some of them?

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Damn_Underscore
03/21/21 10:01:26 PM
#49:


ChocoboMogALT posted...
This isn't "one girl had a bad time." This is years and years of similar allegations showing a habit of sketchy behavior.

Where are these allegations and evidence?

The original post says they exist, but it also attempts to destroy Dan's reputation by misleading people... not a good look at all.

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Slayer_22
03/21/21 10:12:38 PM
#50:


Damn_Underscore posted...


Where are these allegations and evidence?

The original post says they exist, but it also attempts to destroy Dan's reputation by misleading people... not a good look at all.

Here's some allegations, I haven't read through them though: https://www.reddit.com/r/rantgrumps/comments/g4fji8/so_its_come_to_this_the_dan_accusations_masterpost/
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