Poll of the Day > Is anyone here hesitant to get the covid vaccine?

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adjl posted...

There's no such thing as "all or nothing" when it comes to medicine.

95% or I'm not bothering. It's that simple.

Yes, it's your choice what to do with your body

I'm glad you acknowledge that.

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you are endangering other people

pandemics aren't a personal choice you loon, it requires everyone to not be an idiot

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agesboy posted...

you are endangering other people

Aren't we all?

agesboy posted...

pandemics aren't a personal choice you loon, it requires everyone to not be an idiot

What I put in my body is though.

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Imagine a passerby who walks by a paraplegic who's fallen and is unable to right themselves/their chair.

The passerby makes the excuse "it's my body and I don't need to go out of my way to help."

That person can be both correct and a terrible person at the same time.

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Clench281 posted...

That person can be both correct and a terrible person at the same time.

Depends. Helping could make the problem worse and possibly put yourself in danger.


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Lol he's just an all around terrible person.
That's pretty amazing.

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they don't even know if it will give you immunity for longer than 6 months
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they don't know if you won't just spontaneously combust and turn into a frog after 6 months man

they DON'T KNOW it COULD HAPPEN

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EvilMegas posted...

Lol he's just an all around terrible person.

Nah. I admit I'm a arsehole though.

agesboy posted...

they DON'T KNOW it COULD HAPPEN

I mean you're just agreeing with the point that nobody knows the long term effects of these vaccines. Being cautious is understandable.

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winter thinks turning into a frog is an understandable fear

nice

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

they don't even know if it will give you immunity for longer than 6 months

It very well may not

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agesboy posted...

winter thinks turning into a frog is an understandable fear

I more scared of you reading my thoughts.

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agesboy posted...

you are endangering other people

pandemics aren't a personal choice you loon, it requires everyone to not be an idiot

It's funny how the whole "my body, my choice" argument goes out the window when it's convenient.

I'm holding off on the vaccine for a good long time for the simple reason I have no reason to trust a product that's been rushed out the door. Whether it's a new restaurant or game console, I'm not going to be the first to subject myself to it. Johnson and Johnson just finished giving people cancer with their talcum powder, so excuse me for not trusting these pharmaceutical companies whose main priority will always be money.


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wwinterj25 posted...

95% or I'm not bothering. It's that simple.

What's the basis for that line?

wwinterj25 posted...

I'm glad you acknowledge that.

It seems only polite for you to similarly acknowledge that you're wrong.

VideoboysaysCube posted...

It's funny how the whole "my body, my choice" argument goes out the window when it's convenient.

Mostly just when it endangers the lives of other people. I guess that's convenient.

VideoboysaysCube posted...

I'm holding off on the vaccine for a good long time for the simple reason I have no reason to trust a product that's been rushed out the door.

There's ample reason to be skeptical of these vaccines, given the accelerated timeline, but all of the approved ones have met the regulatory standards that are applied to every drug that's allowed to enter the market. The data used as a basis for approving them is publicly available, if you want to scrutinize it for yourself. If that's not enough, there's plenty of data out there now from the tens of millions of doses that have already been administered, which you can also research to your heart's content. If that's still not enough, then you should be coming up with concrete, reasonable criteria against which to compare the data that's coming in so you do have a clear definition for "enough," rather than indefinitely procrastinating it under a vague "I don't trust it yet" sentiment that's nothing more than a superficial emotional response.

Skepticism is reasonable, but if you aren't actually going to do anything to confirm or dispel that skepticism, it's just a flimsy excuse that you're hiding behind instead of providing an actual basis for your objections. If you want to make an informed decision (which is a fantastic idea and I strongly encourage you to do so), go inform yourself. If you aren't going to inform yourself, don't pretend your decision is anything other than arbitrary.

wwinterj25 posted...

I mean you're just agreeing with the point that nobody knows the long term effects of these vaccines.

Nobody knows the long-term effects of the chicken I had for dinner tonight, either. Not for sure, anyway, and they won't until several decades from now. The best anyone can do is make reasonable inferences based on pre-existing knowledge of what's in it and the projected long-term effects those ingredients will have.

These vaccines aren't new drugs. They're cocktails of compounds that have been used for years - if not decades - in other vaccines, whose effects have been well documented. The only new element is the viral data used to induce the immune response, and because we're already very familiar with how the body handles proteins and nucleic acids in a broader sense, the only unknown is how the body will respond to this specific viral data. That's not going to be a long-term effect (which we know from centuries of immunology research), and has been studied exhaustively both by doctors studying patients infected with the disease itself and by studying trial participants.

Basically, there's no reason to suspect long-term problems, except possibly for any that are caused by the immune system's reaction to the virus (which are going to be just as serious a concern for actual infection, and likely much more so). We can reasonably expect any adverse effects to present themselves fairly shortly after the shots are given.

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adjl posted...

What's the basis for that line?

My own choice. I'm not reading your post that amounts to nothing more then "this is what I believe!". I hope the vaccines work out for those who have them and no long term side effects happen but I'm not wasting my time with something unless it's as close to 100% effective as possible. Nothing you've said or will say is going to change that.

https://i.imgur.com/VD93nm3.mp4

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You must be a spectacularly important person doing incredible things with your time if a 2 minute stop in a pharmacy to receive a free vaccine that reduces severe disease outcomes by 90%+ is seen as a waste of time.

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I'm happy you understand.

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I'm hesitant for the simple reason that, while I can get one of the shots (they just lowered the age limit), my daughter, who's autoimmune compromised, has to go through hoops, even if she goes to the FEMA shot clinic. Our state's requirement is for her to have her doctor fill out a statement saying that she's telling the truth (a nurse practitioner can't fill this form out, by the way), which she has to bring to where she's getting the shot after it's scheduled, of course. I've never heard of such a blatantly cruel, callous way of treating the disabled since before the ADA was passed.

so get the shot and be less of a risk to her

is being angry over red tape or your daughter's life more important to you

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wwinterj25 posted...

My own choice.

"Why did you make that choice?"
"I made that choice."

Good talk.

wwinterj25 posted...

I'm not reading your post that amounts to nothing more then "this is what I believe!".

It amounts to quite a bit more than that, namely "here's the objective basis I have for believing what I believe," which is generally how you determine which beliefs are better. But hey, let's pull out some actual numbers:

Covid 19 deaths in the UK: 126,000
UK population: 66,650,000
Likelihood of dying of Covid just for being a UK citizen: 0.189%
Likelihood of dying of Covid once vaccinated (65%): 0.0662%
Likelihood of dying of Covid once vaccinated (95%): 0.00945%

Covid 19 vaccines administered in the UK: 24,000,000
Deaths *possibly* related to Covid 19 vaccines in the UK: 0
If we pretend that every reported instance of blood clots in all of Europe counts as a vaccine death in the UK: 37
"Vaccine death rate" in "the UK": 0.00000417% (note that this number is at least one order of magnitude higher than the real value)

Notice how the risk from vaccines is several orders of magnitude lower than the risk posed by Covid, even with an extreme assumption that inflates the vaccine risk by a huge amount? You are over 45,000 times more likely to die of Covid just for waking up in the UK tomorrow than you are to suffer a serious complication from any of the vaccines. Reducing those odds by even just 65% still offers far more benefit than risk.

This is not an opinion. These are facts.

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Clench281 posted...

You must be a spectacularly important person doing incredible things with your time if a 2 minute stop in a pharmacy to receive a free vaccine that reduces severe disease outcomes by 90%+ is seen as a waste of time.

long term side effects are unknown. other things take years for FDA approval, with lots of testing in human trials.
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adjl posted...

Good talk.

Yep.

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GastroFan posted...

I'm hesitant for the simple reason that, while I can get one of the shots (they just lowered the age limit), my daughter, who's autoimmune compromised, has to go through hoops, even if she goes to the FEMA shot clinic. Our state's requirement is for her to have her doctor fill out a statement saying that she's telling the truth (a nurse practitioner can't fill this form out, by the way), which she has to bring to where she's getting the shot after it's scheduled, of course. I've never heard of such a blatantly cruel, callous way of treating the disabled since before the ADA was passed.

Rules like that are there for her protection. If her immunity is compromised a doctor needs to ensure that it is safe for her to receive the vaccine and considering that this is a new drug it makes sense to be cautious.

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Mead posted...

Rules like that are there for her protection. If her immunity is compromised a doctor needs to ensure that it is safe for her to receive the vaccine and considering that this is a new drug it makes sense to be cautious.

shhh you can't question it. blindly accept this brand new drug with very little research behind it compared to other vaccines
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

shhh you can't question it. blindly accept this brand new drug with very little research behind it compared to other vaccines

Bingo. It's not enough that I've said I'll take the most effective vaccine it's I must take any no matter what because I'm desperate.

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

long term side effects are unknown

adjl posted...

These vaccines aren't new drugs. They're cocktails of compounds that have been used for years - if not decades - in other vaccines, whose effects have been well documented. The only new element is the viral data used to induce the immune response, and because we're already very familiar with how the body handles proteins and nucleic acids in a broader sense, the only unknown is how the body will respond to this specific viral data. That's not going to be a long-term effect (which we know from centuries of immunology research), and has been studied exhaustively both by doctors studying patients infected with the disease itself and by studying trial participants.

Basically, there's no reason to suspect long-term problems, except possibly for any that are caused by the immune system's reaction to the virus (which are going to be just as serious a concern for actual infection, and likely much more so). We can reasonably expect any adverse effects to present themselves fairly shortly after the shots are given.

Oh look at that. I don't even have to type out a new response to that.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

other things take years for FDA approval, with lots of testing in human trials.

Most of those "years" are spent gathering participants and trying to secure funding for the trials. The trials themselves rarely take that long, and are almost never a matter of sitting around for a couple of years to wait and see if long-term effects appear. Here, there's no shortage of trial participants (because Covid is extremely high-profile and everyone wants to help make it go away) and no shortage of funding (because everyone wants to fix this), so the trials were able to be completed very quickly.

Quite simply, the FDA has applied all of their usual standards in approving these vaccines. The corresponding data is available if you want to seek it out. I was also skeptical that they'd be able to meet those standards on such a short time frame, but it has in fact happened, and there's therefore no reason to worry about them being rushed.

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Lol I like to think they cured polio then just sat on the cure for 20 years "just to be sure"

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

shhh you can't question it. blindly accept this brand new drug with very little research behind it compared to other vaccines

I love that you think you have enough expertise to assess when the amount of research is insufficient, but hundreds of scientists who collectively have already committed hundreds of thousands of hours of research do not have the expertise to opine that the research is sufficient

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Clench281 posted...

I love that you think you have enough expertise

https://i.imgur.com/mTNZH7D.mp4


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wwinterj25 posted...

https://i.imgur.com/mTNZH7D.mp4

yes, I would liken that behavior to being an animal stuck in a tire swing

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

shhh you can't question it. blindly accept this brand new drug with very little research behind it compared to other vaccines

far from blindly, Ive spent time reading clinical research data, but even knowing that I know there is risk. Ill still take my chances with a vaccine over a virus though.

Its ok if you see things differently but theres no sense in you constantly trolling every time the vaccine is discussed on this board. Relax my dude.

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Clench281 posted...

yes, I would liken that behavior to being an animal stuck in a tire swing

I hope your vaccine works for you man.

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not so much hesitant as well... i got my mom sister brother-in-law nephew and niece covered. ive done my job. as long as theyll be ok. thats all that matters. i dont care about me..

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ArchfiendZoma posted...

i dont care about me..

what about other people's moms, sisters, brother in laws, nephews, and nieces

does noone else's lives matter except your close family's

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ok at the risk of taking the bait, i care about everyones family, friends, love interests, hell even their sworn enemies, more than i do me and that they should all get their shots (if they want to). i only meant that if i never get one, ill be ok knowing they, and others, have

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it's not bait, some people are immunocompromised and can't take the vaccine even though they are the most at risk

vaccines work on everyone who can take it taking it to protect those who can't

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ArchfiendZoma posted...

ok at the risk of taking the bait, i care about everyones family, friends, love interests, hell even their sworn enemies, more than i do me and that they should all get their shots (if they want to). i only meant that if i never get one, ill be ok knowing they, and others, have

I mean if you care about them you should really consider getting vaccinated. It doesnt make you immune but it makes the chances that you could infect others close to zero

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agesboy posted...

does noone else's lives matter except your close family's

https://i.imgur.com/tGn0kjS.gif


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i give up. this is why i dont ever talk... sorry to have bothered you all...

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ArchfiendZoma posted...

i give up. this is why i dont ever talk... sorry to have bothered you all...

I dont think anyone is bothered, we are just discussing the matter

in the end youre going to do what you think is right

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wwinterj25 posted...

https://i.imgur.com/tGn0kjS.gif

do they though?

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Mead posted...

do they though?

Depends who likes me and isn't a monster.

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wwinterj25 posted...

Depends who likes me and isn't a monster.

I dont think viruses discriminate between the two

so back to the original question

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Mead posted...

I dont think viruses discriminate between the two

Sadly you're correct bby.


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I don't blame anyone for not wanting to get it. I got it myself because I don't really care what may happen in a few years, but there is no way anyone could possibly have the slightest idea what this will do to people in 5 years.

It likely won't do anything at all, but you will never know until it happens. However, I doubt the side effects for the vulnerable will be even slightly comparable to what COVID would do to them.

*Also, I would NOT trust Johnson & Johnson at all. They can't figure out how to make non cancer causing baby powder, why would I trust their brand new vaccine?

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