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IShall_Run_Amok 02/14/21 1:42:36 PM #51:	Landlords provide housing *rentals*. You don't actually own the housing and for some reason you're obligated to the landlord, not the other way around. --- I'm here live. Its...I'm not a cat. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:950632082] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Landlords provide housing rentals. You don't actually own the housing and for some reason you're obligated to the landlord, not the other way around. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/14/21 1:43:06 PM #52:	RebelElite791 posted... In TC's case it is. No, it isnt but nice try. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950632104] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>RebelElite791 posted... </cite> <quote>In TC's case it is.</quote> No, it isnt but nice try. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 02/14/21 1:44:35 PM #54:	Shablagoo posted... You are acting like you are right as a matter of course. I attempt to show you why you may be wrong, and you flippantly dismiss it outright. You claim landlords don't provide housing, which is literally objectively false. Sorry, i tend to "flippantly dismiss" stupid claims. Shablagoo posted... Like here, for example. No, most people are not fine with giving a huge chunk of their income to someone whos only job in the equation is to own their home. Its the same relationship serfs had with feudal lords, who gave massive amounts of resources produced by their labor to their lords, out of some nebulous concept that the lords owned the land, for whatever reason. Here are some choice quotes from Adam Smith, the Father of Capitalism, that Ill leave you with: [Landlords] are the only one of the three orders whose revenue costs them neither labour nor care, but comes to them, as it were, of its own accord, and independent of any plan or project of their own. That indolence, which is the natural effect of the ease and security of their situation, renders them too often, not only ignorant, but incapable of that application of mind. The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for the natural produce of the earth. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/rent.htm Yeah, I'm still not reading any of your commie rants. But I'm sure government housing during the Soviet Union was just breathtakingly luxurious. Sorry if that's "flippantly dismissive" lol --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:950632140] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>You are acting like you are right as a matter of course. I attempt to show you why you may be wrong, and you flippantly dismiss it outright.</quote> You claim landlords don't provide housing, which is literally objectively false. Sorry, i tend to "flippantly dismiss" stupid claims. Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Like here, for example. No, most people are not fine with giving a huge chunk of their income to someone whos only job in the equation is to own their home. Its the same relationship serfs had with feudal lords, who gave massive amounts of resources produced by their labor to their lords, out of some nebulous concept that the lords owned the land, for whatever reason. Here are some choice quotes from Adam Smith, the Father of Capitalism, that Ill leave you with: [Landlords] are the only one of the three orders whose revenue costs them neither labour nor care, but comes to them, as it were, of its own accord, and independent of any plan or project of their own. That indolence, which is the natural effect of the ease and security of their situation, renders them too often, not only ignorant, but incapable of that application of mind. The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for the natural produce of the earth. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/rent.htm</quote> Yeah, I'm still not reading any of your commie rants. But I'm sure government housing during the Soviet Union was just breathtakingly luxurious. Sorry if that's "flippantly dismissive" lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 02/14/21 1:44:37 PM #55:	rexcrk posted... So, all you landlords are evil types open your homes and property for people to just live in for free right? Shab's place is open to the homeless but they prefer to live on the streets. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:950632142] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>rexcrk posted... </cite> <quote>So, all you landlords are evil types open your homes and property for people to just live in for free right?</quote> Shab's place is open to the homeless but they prefer to live on the streets. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/14/21 1:48:53 PM #56:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... Landlords provide housing rentals. The issue is really centered around the reality that renters are paying down the debts of others who were fortunate enough to get something out of their debt. If I pay off the loan of somebodies house, that house should at least be partially mine, but people go through the mental gymnastics to pretend rent money isnt mortgage money because it changes hands first. Its literally like the bullshit my ex tried to pull with me. My third of the rent was 1/3 and that was what was agreed on. Then her and her mother go and get a brand new car (not even used, literally brand new), and then all of a sudden I have to fork over an extra $400/mo in "rent" money? They tried so hard to gaslight me but I wasnt stupid. They had a $600 car payment they didnt have before and now I suddenly have to pay almost a grand in rent when I know the landlord didnt jack up the rent? Fucking please. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950632269] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>Landlords provide housing rentals.</quote> The issue is really centered around the reality that renters are paying down the debts of others who were fortunate enough to get something out of their debt. If I pay off the loan of somebodies house, that house should at least be partially mine, but people go through the mental gymnastics to pretend rent money isnt mortgage money because it changes hands first. Its literally like the bullshit my ex tried to pull with me. My third of the rent was 1/3 and that was what was agreed on. Then her and her mother go and get a brand new car (not even used, literally brand new), and then all of a sudden I have to fork over an extra $400/mo in "rent" money? They tried so hard to gaslight me but I wasnt stupid. They had a $600 car payment they didnt have before and now I suddenly have to pay almost a grand in rent when I know the landlord didnt jack up the rent? Fucking please. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Musourenka 02/14/21 1:49:09 PM #57:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... Landlords provide housing *rentals*. You don't actually own the housing and for some reason you're obligated to the landlord, not the other way around. This. You're not even guaranteed privacy. To add to this, renters can't take in people from homelessness as it's a violation of their lease, so the whole "LeT tHeM LiVe WiTh YoU" argument is dumb. --- Shooing away pigeons crapping on debate tables is not a violation of the pigeons' free speech. <cite>Musourenka posted [p:950632278] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>Landlords provide housing rentals. You don't actually own the housing and for some reason you're obligated to the landlord, not the other way around.</quote> This. You're not even guaranteed privacy. To add to this, renters can't take in people from homelessness as it's a violation of their lease, so the whole "LeT tHeM LiVe WiTh YoU" argument is dumb. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 02/14/21 1:49:18 PM #58:	RedJackson posted... *THE_TRENT* has *RETURNED* I was in your hearts all along --- i'm Trent B and i get respect your cash and your jewelry is what i expect <cite>The Trent posted [p:950632282] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>RedJackson posted... </cite> <quote>THE_TRENT has RETURNED</quote> I was in your hearts all along </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RedJackson 02/14/21 1:49:45 PM #59:	Shablagoo posted... The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for the natural produce of the earth. Landowners can't 'own' something when it's a piece of territory to a governing body, regular people have to rent out from the government initially because it's the only way they can get ahead. Taking away what is considered to generally be a safe bet from hardworking people just seems like an all around step backwards. You can up the value of minimum wage and we'd still be in an enclosed cage where our options are creating a product in the sea of many, becoming famous in some form (possible, becoming less over time), or working at a skill to such a high level that it affords people saying 'okay I'll invest in you' You can open up a business, sure but that ceiling of how many businesses you can fit in one place becomes important when you realize you need property for that and how it'll tank price margins for people due to competition Idk why we do the whole second guessing thing because we've already answered most of : Where do realistic acceptable property rights begin and end? Should we secure basic needs for all people? How do we resolve this? Free housing? Community developed? State developed?What about covering costs of homebuilding and allowing self-build or people hire it out? What if we remove land rights and just divvied it up? Do we first tackle things that support landlords like lenders? sans yer last two questions in which case, yeah I guess you're free to wonder I guess --- https://imgur.com/e6aBSof - Pus_N_Pecans original! https://imgur.com/bve6U7T - Error1335 original! <cite>RedJackson posted [p:950632298] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for the natural produce of the earth.</quote> Landowners can't 'own' something when it's a piece of territory to a governing body, regular people have to rent out from the government initially because it's the only way they can get ahead. Taking away what is considered to generally be a safe bet from hardworking people just seems like an all around step backwards. You can up the value of minimum wage and we'd still be in an enclosed cage where our options are creating a product in the sea of many, becoming famous in some form (possible, becoming less over time), or working at a skill to such a high level that it affords people saying 'okay I'll invest in you' You can open up a business, sure but that ceiling of how many businesses you can fit in one place becomes important when you realize you need property for that and how it'll tank price margins for people due to competition Idk why we do the whole second guessing thing because we've already answered most of : Where do realistic acceptable property rights begin and end? Should we secure basic needs for all people? How do we resolve this? Free housing? Community developed? State developed?What about covering costs of homebuilding and allowing self-build or people hire it out? What if we remove land rights and just divvied it up? Do we first tackle things that support landlords like lenders? sans yer last two questions in which case, yeah I guess you're free to wonder I guess </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WashYourHands 02/14/21 1:50:11 PM #60:	I will never rent a property again, the headache that comes along with it is not worth it to me. But I do enjoy buying run down houses, renovating then selling. --- 20 seconds is all it takes! <cite>WashYourHands posted [p:950632309] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>I will never rent a property again, the headache that comes along with it is not worth it to me. But I do enjoy buying run down houses, renovating then selling. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 02/14/21 1:50:36 PM #61:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... Landlords provide housing *rentals*. You don't actually own the housing and for some reason you're obligated to the landlord, not the other way around. The same way leasing a car works. You get the benefits of "ownership" with none of the responsibility. If the water pump goes, thats the dealerships problem. Are dealerships evil for giving people the option to enjoy something without the liability and responsibility that comes with actual ownership? No, and neither are landlords. If you don't want to "pay someone else's bill", acquire your own. As a homeowner, there are many, many days I miss not having a landlord to call and fix shit for free. A lot of people don't just have $3,000 lying around if say the furnace shits the bed in February. Or $10,000 if the roof leaks. --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:950632322] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>Landlords provide housing rentals. You don't actually own the housing and for some reason you're obligated to the landlord, not the other way around.</quote> The same way leasing a car works. You get the benefits of "ownership" with none of the responsibility. If the water pump goes, thats the dealerships problem. Are dealerships evil for giving people the option to enjoy something without the liability and responsibility that comes with actual ownership? No, and neither are landlords. If you don't want to "pay someone else's bill", acquire your own. As a homeowner, there are many, many days I miss not having a landlord to call and fix shit for free. A lot of people don't just have $3,000 lying around if say the furnace shits the bed in February. Or $10,000 if the roof leaks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/14/21 1:51:27 PM #62:	Musourenka posted... You're not even guaranteed privacy. What do you mean? Mostly landlords can't just stop by unannounced --- Trying to dunk since July 2020 <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:950632354] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Musourenka posted... </cite> <quote>You're not even guaranteed privacy.</quote> What do you mean? Mostly landlords can't just stop by unannounced </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/14/21 1:52:02 PM #63:	RebelElite791 posted... The dude literally made a topic about how much he hates his family because they wont' come clean his house for him, then posts pictures of his room literally covered wall to wall in trash and beer cans, and talks about the mice he steps on walking around his room because it's such a fucking pigsty. He doesn't have any interest in a job or education; it's his fault. I mean he also denies the Uyghur genocide and shills for the CCP, so consider who you're defending here. RebelElite791 posted... The dude literally made a topic about how much he hates his family because they wont' come clean his house for him, then posts pictures of his room literally covered wall to wall in trash and beer cans, and talks about the mice he steps on walking around his room because it's such a fucking pigsty. He doesn't have any interest in a job or education; it's his fault. I mean he also denies the Uyghur genocide and shills for the CCP, so consider who you're defending here. Regardless of tcs bs (which Im not defending fyi), even the fact that he has a house invalidates what you said, which was already invalid to begin with because maturity has nothing to do with not wanting to be leeched off of by a landlord. What hes arguing in this topic isnt a fiction of his own making; landlords are parasites. TC being a shitposter has nothing to do with that and its in that context that I responded to you. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950632366] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>RebelElite791 posted... </cite> <quote>The dude literally made a topic about how much he hates his family because they wont' come clean his house for him, then posts pictures of his room literally covered wall to wall in trash and beer cans, and talks about the mice he steps on walking around his room because it's such a fucking pigsty. He doesn't have any interest in a job or education; it's his fault. I mean he also denies the Uyghur genocide and shills for the CCP, so consider who you're defending here.</quote> RebelElite791 posted... </cite> <quote>The dude literally made a topic about how much he hates his family because they wont' come clean his house for him, then posts pictures of his room literally covered wall to wall in trash and beer cans, and talks about the mice he steps on walking around his room because it's such a fucking pigsty. He doesn't have any interest in a job or education; it's his fault. I mean he also denies the Uyghur genocide and shills for the CCP, so consider who you're defending here.</quote> Regardless of tcs bs (which Im not defending fyi), even the fact that he has a house invalidates what you said, which was already invalid to begin with because maturity has nothing to do with not wanting to be leeched off of by a landlord. What hes arguing in this topic isnt a fiction of his own making; landlords are parasites. TC being a shitposter has nothing to do with that and its in that context that I responded to you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/14/21 1:54:48 PM #64:	PoundGarden posted... No, and neither are landlords. If you don't want to "pay someone else's bill", acquire your own. As a homeowner, there are many, many days I miss not having a landlord to call and fix shit for free. A lot of people don't just have $3,000 lying around if say the furnace shits the bed in February. Or $10,000 if the roof leaks. Cognitive Dissonance at work folks. Most people that deal with landlords dont have a choice. You seriously need to check your privilege if you think anybody can just go buy a house. Ffs I cant even get into an apartment i can afford the rent on because of arbitrary 3x income bullshit, how tf do you think Im gonna get a house. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950632456] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>No, and neither are landlords. If you don't want to "pay someone else's bill", acquire your own. As a homeowner, there are many, many days I miss not having a landlord to call and fix shit for free. A lot of people don't just have $3,000 lying around if say the furnace shits the bed in February. Or $10,000 if the roof leaks.</quote> Cognitive Dissonance at work folks. Most people that deal with landlords dont have a choice. You seriously need to check your privilege if you think anybody can just go buy a house. Ffs I cant even get into an apartment i can afford the rent on because of arbitrary 3x income bullshit, how tf do you think Im gonna get a house. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 02/14/21 1:58:51 PM #65:	CommonJoe posted... Regardless of tcs bs (which Im not defending fyi), even the fact that he has a house invalidates what you said, which was already invalid to begin with because maturity has nothing to do with not wanting to be leeched off of by a landlord. What hes arguing in this topic isnt a fiction of his own making; landlords are parasites. TC being a shitposter has nothing to do with that and its in that context that I responded to you. TC doesn't have a house, my wording was bad there. He has, at least, a room. Which he presumably rents, thus his hatred for landlords. --- Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:950632582] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>Regardless of tcs bs (which Im not defending fyi), even the fact that he has a house invalidates what you said, which was already invalid to begin with because maturity has nothing to do with not wanting to be leeched off of by a landlord. What hes arguing in this topic isnt a fiction of his own making; landlords are parasites. TC being a shitposter has nothing to do with that and its in that context that I responded to you.</quote>TC doesn't have a house, my wording was bad there. He has, at least, a room. Which he presumably rents, thus his hatred for landlords. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 02/14/21 2:00:02 PM #66:	CommonJoe posted... Cognitive Dissonance at work folks. Most people that deal with landlords dont have a choice. You seriously need to check your privilege if you think anybody can just go buy a house. Ffs I cant even get into an apartment i can afford the rent on because of arbitrary 3x income bullshit, how tf do you think Im gonna get a house. So because you can't do it, let's upset the entire system that has worked literally forever and vilify an entire group of people, even though eliminating their role would actually make life worse for you since AGAIN the alternative is government housing? Have fun with that lol. And you can fuck right off with your accusations of my "privelege". Nobody helped me beyond the loan I took out from the bank, and literally all I had to do was have a job, so so credit, and not be drowning in debt. I'm sorry that is such an unrealistic bar that you consider it to be "privilege". Is there something stopping you from having so so credit, a job, and not being swamped in debt? --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:950632614] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>Cognitive Dissonance at work folks. Most people that deal with landlords dont have a choice. You seriously need to check your privilege if you think anybody can just go buy a house. Ffs I cant even get into an apartment i can afford the rent on because of arbitrary 3x income bullshit, how tf do you think Im gonna get a house.</quote> So because you can't do it, let's upset the entire system that has worked literally forever and vilify an entire group of people, even though eliminating their role would actually make life worse for you since AGAIN the alternative is government housing? Have fun with that lol. And you can fuck right off with your accusations of my "privelege". Nobody helped me beyond the loan I took out from the bank, and literally all I had to do was have a job, so so credit, and not be drowning in debt. I'm sorry that is such an unrealistic bar that you consider it to be "privilege". Is there something stopping you from having so so credit, a job, and not being swamped in debt? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/14/21 2:05:14 PM #67:	I own my apartment and I still think landlords are leeches and the whole concept should be abolished --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:950632788] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>I own my apartment and I still think landlords are leeches and the whole concept should be abolished </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 02/14/21 2:10:41 PM #68:	scar the 1 posted... I own my apartment and I still think landlords are leeches and the whole concept should be abolished Ok. Landlords are gone, poof. Now where are people who do not want to live in an apartment going to rent a house from? The bank? The government? Because they're so altruistic and much easier to work with than some guy who has a vested interest in keeping the property maintained and the occupant happy right? Like how are you guys not getting that without privately rented properties the housing market would be significantly worse? --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:950632937] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>I own my apartment and I still think landlords are leeches and the whole concept should be abolished</quote> Ok. Landlords are gone, poof. Now where are people who do not want to live in an apartment going to rent a house from? The bank? The government? Because they're so altruistic and much easier to work with than some guy who has a vested interest in keeping the property maintained and the occupant happy right? Like how are you guys not getting that without privately rented properties the housing market would be significantly worse? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ermac 02/14/21 2:12:48 PM #69:	Just pay rent whats the big deal --- We are many, you are but one <cite>Ermac posted [p:950633012] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Just pay rent whats the big deal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 02/14/21 2:18:20 PM #70:	PoundGarden posted... So because you can't do it, let's upset the entire system that has worked literally forever If you call concentrating the wealth and property of the nation in the hands of the few at the expense of everyone else, then sure...it has worked forever. Some of us do not think that its a good system. CommonJoe posted... Regardless of tcs bs (which Im not defending fyi), even the fact that he has a house invalidates what you said, which was already invalid to begin with because maturity has nothing to do with not wanting to be leeched off of by a landlord. What hes arguing in this topic isnt a fiction of his own making; landlords are parasites. TC being a shitposter has nothing to do with that and its in that context that I responded to you. FYI the guy youre replying to vigorously harasses me in every topic I make. Think what you want, obviously, but I would suggest taking what he has to say about me with a boulder of salt. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:950633156] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>So because you can't do it, let's upset the entire system that has worked literally forever</quote> If you call concentrating the wealth and property of the nation in the hands of the few at the expense of everyone else, then sure...it has worked forever. Some of us do not think that its a good system. CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>Regardless of tcs bs (which Im not defending fyi), even the fact that he has a house invalidates what you said, which was already invalid to begin with because maturity has nothing to do with not wanting to be leeched off of by a landlord. What hes arguing in this topic isnt a fiction of his own making; landlords are parasites. TC being a shitposter has nothing to do with that and its in that context that I responded to you.</quote> FYI the guy youre replying to vigorously harasses me in every topic I make. Think what you want, obviously, but I would suggest taking what he has to say about me with a boulder of salt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Musourenka 02/14/21 2:21:58 PM #71:	Balrog0 posted... What do you mean? Mostly landlords can't just stop by unannounced Mostly, but it doesn't always work like that. They have the keys after all. Florida, for example, requires 12 hour notice, so they can drop off a notice at your doorstep in the evening and be there first thing in the morning. I've also heard from coworkers stories of their landlords and maintenance just barging in from time to time. Illegal, yes, but what are most renters going to do? --- Shooing away pigeons crapping on debate tables is not a violation of the pigeons' free speech. <cite>Musourenka posted [p:950633259] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>What do you mean? Mostly landlords can't just stop by unannounced</quote> Mostly, but it doesn't always work like that. They have the keys after all. Florida, for example, requires 12 hour notice, so they can drop off a notice at your doorstep in the evening and be there first thing in the morning. I've also heard from coworkers stories of their landlords and maintenance just barging in from time to time. Illegal, yes, but what are most renters going to do? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 02/14/21 2:23:02 PM #72:	Remember that news story about a landlord removing doors and windows from a property to force someone to leave? --- I can feel it in my bones, I'm gonna spend another year alone. Now Playing: Persona 5, Minecraft <cite>MrMallard posted [p:950633302] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Remember that news story about a landlord removing doors and windows from a property to force someone to leave? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 02/14/21 2:23:36 PM #73:	Landlords are to Shablagoo what Korean girls and the Chase Sapphire credit card are to BlueMonk. It's weird seeing such identical gimmick formats from two individuals. --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting/RC https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:950633325] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Landlords are to Shablagoo what Korean girls and the Chase Sapphire credit card are to BlueMonk. It's weird seeing such identical gimmick formats from two individuals. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bloodyarts 02/14/21 2:34:58 PM #74:	Heavy_D_Forever posted... If you don't want a landlord then grow up and buy your own house. "BoOtStRaPs!" <cite>bloodyarts posted [p:950633710] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Heavy_D_Forever posted... </cite> <quote>If you don't want a landlord then grow up and buy your own house.</quote>"BoOtStRaPs!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorLawrence 02/14/21 2:40:58 PM #75:	Serious question: if there are no landlords then where would people go if they want to rent a place If someone is staying somewhere for only a few years they probably have no interest in going through the home buying and selling process --- Future New York Jet <cite>TrevorLawrence posted [p:950633893] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Serious question: if there are no landlords then where would people go if they want to rent a place If someone is staying somewhere for only a few years they probably have no interest in going through the home buying and selling process </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/14/21 3:01:30 PM #76:	PoundGarden posted... Ok. Landlords are gone, poof. Now where are people who do not want to live in an apartment going to rent a house from? The bank? The government? Because they're so altruistic and much easier to work with than some guy who has a vested interest in keeping the property maintained and the occupant happy right? Like how are you guys not getting that without privately rented properties the housing market would be significantly worse? Not really sure why you think I'm going to answer the 2020 account that's been trolling the entire topic more than with this --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:950634512] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>Ok. Landlords are gone, poof. Now where are people who do not want to live in an apartment going to rent a house from? The bank? The government? Because they're so altruistic and much easier to work with than some guy who has a vested interest in keeping the property maintained and the occupant happy right? Like how are you guys not getting that without privately rented properties the housing market would be significantly worse?</quote>Not really sure why you think I'm going to answer the 2020 account that's been trolling the entire topic more than with this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cookie Bag 02/14/21 3:06:54 PM #77:	TC can't even keep one room kept properly and is endlessly bitching about how other people handle their properties... --- https://imgur.com/gGHBH0F https://imgur.com/rNfCKIS https://imgur.com/Fj3wSVn https://imgur.com/OoMcG77 <cite>Cookie Bag posted [p:950634687] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>TC can't even keep one room kept properly and is endlessly bitching about how other people handle their properties... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 02/14/21 3:24:58 PM #78:	scar the 1 posted... Not really sure why you think I'm going to answer the 2020 account that's been trolling the entire topic more than with this 1. You have an odd definition of "trolling". 2. It's ok, nobody else can answer that question either, they prefer to just bitch and moan on a dying website and think said websites karma system is a great to cop out when you've lost your argument --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:950635275] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>Not really sure why you think I'm going to answer the 2020 account that's been trolling the entire topic more than with this</quote> 1. You have an odd definition of "trolling". 2. It's ok, nobody else can answer that question either, they prefer to just bitch and moan on a dying website and think said websites karma system is a great to cop out when you've lost your argument </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 02/15/21 6:44:02 AM #79:	TrevorLawrence posted... Serious question: if there are no landlords then where would people go if they want to rent a place If someone is staying somewhere for only a few years they probably have no interest in going through the home buying and selling process This isnt an attack but what does that have to do with the question of landlording? It is unfair for someone to extort the profit of anothers labor. Cookie Bag posted... TC can't even keep one room kept properly and is endlessly bitching about how other people handle their properties... Are you saying I shouldnt be allowed to do with my own property as I wish? --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:950656818] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>TrevorLawrence posted... </cite> <quote>Serious question: if there are no landlords then where would people go if they want to rent a place If someone is staying somewhere for only a few years they probably have no interest in going through the home buying and selling process</quote> This isnt an attack but what does that have to do with the question of landlording? It is unfair for someone to extort the profit of anothers labor. Cookie Bag posted... </cite> <quote>TC can't even keep one room kept properly and is endlessly bitching about how other people handle their properties...</quote> Are you saying I shouldnt be allowed to do with my own property as I wish? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 02/15/21 7:22:58 AM #80:	If you're renting a room then it's not really your property lmao --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting/RC https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:950657302] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>If you're renting a room then it's not really your property lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/15/21 9:54:54 AM #81:	RebelElite791 posted... TC doesn't have a house, my wording was bad there. He has, at least, a room. Which he presumably rents, thus his hatred for landlords. Ok and? I already responded to this sentiment. PoundGarden posted... So because you can't do it, let's upset the entire system that has worked literally forever and vilify an entire group of people, even though eliminating their role would actually make life worse for you since AGAIN the alternative is government housing? Have fun with that lol. If your argument hinges on pretending that I only believe what I do because of my personal life, then youre not really here to argue fairly. I recognized the parisitism of landlords well before I was ever homeless, and $5 says youll just respond to that concept with gatekeeping because apparently its only YOU that gets to decide what people get to believe. PoundGarden posted... And you can fuck right off with your accusations of my "privelege". Nobody helped me beyond the loan I took out from the bank, and literally all I had to do was have a job, so so credit, and not be drowning in debt. I'm sorry that is such an unrealistic bar that you consider it to be "privilege". That literally is privilege. But its not surprising you're getting so upset at having to confront that. Your living in a just world fallacy buddy. PoundGarden posted... Is there something stopping you from having so so credit, a job, and not being swamped in debt? It is so obnoxiously clear youve never actually struggled in your life. Ive climbed out of being homeless twice. It takes more than pulling up ones bootstraps to stay out of it. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950659974] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>RebelElite791 posted... </cite> <quote>TC doesn't have a house, my wording was bad there. He has, at least, a room. Which he presumably rents, thus his hatred for landlords.</quote> Ok and? I already responded to this sentiment. PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>So because you can't do it, let's upset the entire system that has worked literally forever and vilify an entire group of people, even though eliminating their role would actually make life worse for you since AGAIN the alternative is government housing? Have fun with that lol.</quote> If your argument hinges on pretending that I only believe what I do because of my personal life, then youre not really here to argue fairly. I recognized the parisitism of landlords well before I was ever homeless, and $5 says youll just respond to that concept with gatekeeping because apparently its only YOU that gets to decide what people get to believe. PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>And you can fuck right off with your accusations of my "privelege". Nobody helped me beyond the loan I took out from the bank, and literally all I had to do was have a job, so so credit, and not be drowning in debt. I'm sorry that is such an unrealistic bar that you consider it to be "privilege".</quote> That literally is privilege. But its not surprising you're getting so upset at having to confront that. Your living in a just world fallacy buddy. PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>Is there something stopping you from having so so credit, a job, and not being swamped in debt?</quote> It is so obnoxiously clear youve never actually struggled in your life. Ive climbed out of being homeless twice. It takes more than pulling up ones bootstraps to stay out of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flauros 02/15/21 10:00:53 AM #82:	They offer homes to people who cant handle a real home, and take some of the stress away from home ownership. --- https://imgur.com/EX6Md7k https://imgur.com/nhHkg9L https://imgur.com/A3kur0P https://imgur.com/Hj9RrC6 <cite>Flauros posted [p:950660116] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>They offer homes to people who cant handle a real home, and take some of the stress away from home ownership. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 02/15/21 10:58:25 AM #83:	CommonJoe posted... The issue is really centered around the reality that renters are paying down the debts of others who were fortunate enough to get something out of their debt. If I pay off the loan of somebodies house, that house should at least be partially mine, but people go through the mental gymnastics to pretend rent money isnt mortgage money because it changes hands first. Its literally like the bullshit my ex tried to pull with me. My third of the rent was 1/3 and that was what was agreed on. Then her and her mother go and get a brand new car (not even used, literally brand new), and then all of a sudden I have to fork over an extra $400/mo in "rent" money? They tried so hard to gaslight me but I wasnt stupid. They had a $600 car payment they didnt have before and now I suddenly have to pay almost a grand in rent when I know the landlord didnt jack up the rent? Fucking please. No, just no. A landlord may be using the rent you pay them to pay off the loan they used to purchase the house they are renting you. That is no different that any business using the money people pay them for goods and services to pay for the loans they used to start their businesses. A landlord's business is providing housing, and if they are doing their job well they will maintain that housing for the tenant. You aren't entitled to partial ownership in someone's business just because you are a patron. You don't get to partially own the farm that grows your food, just because your dollars paid to that farmer help him pay for the debt he took out to fund his operation. <cite>Esrac posted [p:950661488] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>The issue is really centered around the reality that renters are paying down the debts of others who were fortunate enough to get something out of their debt. If I pay off the loan of somebodies house, that house should at least be partially mine, but people go through the mental gymnastics to pretend rent money isnt mortgage money because it changes hands first. Its literally like the bullshit my ex tried to pull with me. My third of the rent was 1/3 and that was what was agreed on. Then her and her mother go and get a brand new car (not even used, literally brand new), and then all of a sudden I have to fork over an extra $400/mo in "rent" money? They tried so hard to gaslight me but I wasnt stupid. They had a $600 car payment they didnt have before and now I suddenly have to pay almost a grand in rent when I know the landlord didnt jack up the rent? Fucking please.</quote> No, just no. A landlord may be using the rent you pay them to pay off the loan they used to purchase the house they are renting you. That is no different that any business using the money people pay them for goods and services to pay for the loans they used to start their businesses. A landlord's business is providing housing, and if they are doing their job well they will maintain that housing for the tenant. You aren't entitled to partial ownership in someone's business just because you are a patron. You don't get to partially own the farm that grows your food, just because your dollars paid to that farmer help him pay for the debt he took out to fund his operation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 02/15/21 11:06:35 AM #84:	Guys. I buy apple products - I literally help them be a Fortune 500 company. I should own a portion of apple because I pay them for services/products they provide. --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:950661672] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Guys. I buy apple products - I literally help them be a Fortune 500 company. I should own a portion of apple because I pay them for services/products they provide. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/15/21 11:14:09 AM #85:	Esrac posted... That is no different that any business using the money people pay them for goods and services to pay for the loans they used to start their businesses. A landlord's business is providing housing, and if they are doing their job well they will maintain that housing for the tenant. No, a landlord's business is owning housing that someone else built. They expect payment from tenants for the risky task of making an investment. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:950661878] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Esrac posted... </cite> <quote>That is no different that any business using the money people pay them for goods and services to pay for the loans they used to start their businesses. A landlord's business is providing housing, and if they are doing their job well they will maintain that housing for the tenant.</quote>No, a landlord's business is owning housing that someone else built. They expect payment from tenants for the risky task of making an investment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 02/15/21 11:19:54 AM #86:	scar the 1 posted... No, a landlord's business is owning housing that someone else built. They expect payment from tenants for the risky task of making an investment. what if the landlord was a contractor and built it himself? what if he bought the land, built the home and decided to rent it out to someone who wanted to rent because they didnt want to deal with home ownership of a house? where is the issue here? --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:950662031] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>No, a landlord's business is owning housing that someone else built. They expect payment from tenants for the risky task of making an investment.</quote> what if the landlord was a contractor and built it himself? what if he bought the land, built the home and decided to rent it out to someone who wanted to rent because they didnt want to deal with home ownership of a house? where is the issue here? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 02/15/21 11:22:51 AM #87:	For poor people, they literally can't buy a house under any circumstances. It's not a choice for them, they don't qualify for the loans and they don't have the cash. So for someone in that situation, a service is not being provided, they're just paying to exist and have a roof over their heads. They're paying but not acquiring anything permanently, they're just giving over their money and potential savings to add to another party's potential savings. Can people at least admit this or explain why it's wrong, for the poor? If you guys want to preserve the rental market for the people who are renting for convenience, then here's the compromise: we can bring back renting when every man, woman, and child has adequate, safe, secure, and permanent housing. Until then, landlording is by necessity exploitation. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:950662122] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>For poor people, they literally can't buy a house under any circumstances. It's not a choice for them, they don't qualify for the loans and they don't have the cash. So for someone in that situation, a service is not being provided, they're just paying to exist and have a roof over their heads. They're paying but not acquiring anything permanently, they're just giving over their money and potential savings to add to another party's potential savings. Can people at least admit this or explain why it's wrong, for the poor? If you guys want to preserve the rental market for the people who are renting for convenience, then here's the compromise: we can bring back renting when every man, woman, and child has adequate, safe, secure, and permanent housing. Until then, landlording is by necessity exploitation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/15/21 11:33:37 AM #88:	chrono625 posted... what if the landlord was a contractor and built it himself? what if he bought the land, built the home and decided to rent it out to someone who wanted to rent because they didnt want to deal with home ownership of a house? where is the issue here? If the landlord was also the builder, then of course they should be compensated for their labor. No one is arguing otherwise. The issue is that landlords don't provide a service - they charge money for owning something. As such they are leeches. Similarly, a landlord who is performing custodial duties should be paid for the service they provide. Owning something is not providing a service. Demanding payment because you own control means of shelter (a basic human right) is exploitative. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:950662409] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>chrono625 posted... </cite> <quote>what if the landlord was a contractor and built it himself? what if he bought the land, built the home and decided to rent it out to someone who wanted to rent because they didnt want to deal with home ownership of a house? where is the issue here?</quote>If the landlord was also the builder, then of course they should be compensated for their labor. No one is arguing otherwise. The issue is that landlords don't provide a service - they charge money for owning something. As such they are leeches. Similarly, a landlord who is performing custodial duties should be paid for the service they provide. Owning something is not providing a service. Demanding payment because you own control means of shelter (a basic human right) is exploitative. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 02/15/21 11:35:10 AM #89:	scar the 1 posted... The issue is that landlords don't provide a service - they charge money for owning something. As such they are leeches. They charge money for allowing someone to live in their property. How is this any different from someone renting out a room, or a hotel charging guests? --- Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:950662440] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>The issue is that landlords don't provide a service - they charge money for owning something. As such they are leeches.</quote>They charge money for allowing someone to live in their property. How is this any different from someone renting out a room, or a hotel charging guests? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/15/21 11:36:41 AM #90:	RebelElite791 posted... They charge money for allowing someone to live in their property. How is this any different from someone renting out a room, or a hotel charging guests? It's... not? Well, a hotel charging guests generally also includes services such as cleaning and sometimes meals. But apart from that, it's not really different. Not sure what I said that made you think I think that. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:950662486] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>RebelElite791 posted... </cite> <quote>They charge money for allowing someone to live in their property. How is this any different from someone renting out a room, or a hotel charging guests?</quote>It's... not? Well, a hotel charging guests generally also includes services such as cleaning and sometimes meals. But apart from that, it's not really different. Not sure what I said that made you think I think that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 02/15/21 11:40:16 AM #91:	scar the 1 posted... It's... not? Well, a hotel charging guests generally also includes services such as cleaning and sometimes meals. But apart from that, it's not really different. Not sure what I said that made you think I think that. So do you have an issue with those other situations? Also, ensuring access to housing for all is something the government needs to (and should) implement. Until then, landlords are going to be a thing --- Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:950662596] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>It's... not? Well, a hotel charging guests generally also includes services such as cleaning and sometimes meals. But apart from that, it's not really different. Not sure what I said that made you think I think that.</quote>So do you have an issue with those other situations? Also, ensuring access to housing for all is something the government needs to (and should) implement. Until then, landlords are going to be a thing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AtelierRyza3462 02/15/21 11:41:22 AM #92:	Should you be able to live somewhere for free? Lol <cite>AtelierRyza3462 posted [p:950662623] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Should you be able to live somewhere for free? Lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/15/21 11:43:18 AM #93:	RebelElite791 posted... So do you have an issue with those other situations? I said it's exploitative, didn't I? --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:950662680] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>RebelElite791 posted... </cite> <quote>So do you have an issue with those other situations?</quote>I said it's exploitative, didn't I? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 02/15/21 11:45:32 AM #94:	scar the 1 posted... If the landlord was also the builder, then of course they should be compensated for their labor. No one is arguing otherwise. The issue is that landlords don't provide a service - they charge money for owning something. As such they are leeches. Similarly, a landlord who is performing custodial duties should be paid for the service they provide. Owning something is not providing a service. Demanding payment because you own control means of shelter (a basic human right) is exploitative. OK, so lets say we give housing to individuals for free. first, from where? The government? No thanks. they have no incentive to keep up with the property and the amount theyd have to maintain. States like NY can barely run their cities. Forget about housing - and whatever public housing they do create good luck getting into. second, ok the government steps in and gives you housing. What of utilities? Gas, water, electric? The house is one piece of the puzzle, what about the things needed to make it a hospitable environment? Government again? Now you have to contract out to utility companies. third, maintenance. The government would have to give contracts out to contractors for repairs. And guess what? Those contracts will be bloated bureaucratic messes. Ive been/worked in NYC public housing and its absolutely filthy and decrepit. And all the residents say they have to wait on repairmen because the supervisor in charge of maintenance has to get approval first. giving everyone housing for free sounds great, then you actually break down everything else that goes along with it. one thing Ill say is that slumlords need to be held to the highest degree of law for being pieces of shit. Good landlords exist. --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:950662744] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>If the landlord was also the builder, then of course they should be compensated for their labor. No one is arguing otherwise. The issue is that landlords don't provide a service - they charge money for owning something. As such they are leeches. Similarly, a landlord who is performing custodial duties should be paid for the service they provide. Owning something is not providing a service. Demanding payment because you own control means of shelter (a basic human right) is exploitative.</quote> OK, so lets say we give housing to individuals for free. first, from where? The government? No thanks. they have no incentive to keep up with the property and the amount theyd have to maintain. States like NY can barely run their cities. Forget about housing - and whatever public housing they do create good luck getting into. second, ok the government steps in and gives you housing. What of utilities? Gas, water, electric? The house is one piece of the puzzle, what about the things needed to make it a hospitable environment? Government again? Now you have to contract out to utility companies. third, maintenance. The government would have to give contracts out to contractors for repairs. And guess what? Those contracts will be bloated bureaucratic messes. Ive been/worked in NYC public housing and its absolutely filthy and decrepit. And all the residents say they have to wait on repairmen because the supervisor in charge of maintenance has to get approval first. giving everyone housing for free sounds great, then you actually break down everything else that goes along with it. one thing Ill say is that slumlords need to be held to the highest degree of law for being pieces of shit. Good landlords exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/15/21 11:46:36 AM #95:	And I'm well aware landlords "are going to be a thing". It's not like I expect them all to collectively log onto GameFAQs, read my posts and then go "huh, you know what, he's right, I'll reform all my property to collectively owned housing" --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:950662766] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>And I'm well aware landlords "are going to be a thing". It's not like I expect them all to collectively log onto GameFAQs, read my posts and then go "huh, you know what, he's right, I'll reform all my property to collectively owned housing" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 02/15/21 11:48:14 AM #96:	scar the 1 posted... And I'm well aware landlords "are going to be a thing". It's not like I expect them all to collectively log onto GameFAQs, read my posts and then go "huh, you know what, he's right, I'll reform all my property to collectively owned housing" Im just saying, focus your energy on getting housing guaranteed to all, not on crying that citizens should be responsible for providing it --- Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:950662808] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>And I'm well aware landlords "are going to be a thing". It's not like I expect them all to collectively log onto GameFAQs, read my posts and then go "huh, you know what, he's right, I'll reform all my property to collectively owned housing"</quote>Im just saying, focus your energy on getting housing guaranteed to all, not on crying that citizens should be responsible for providing it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3PiesAndAFork 02/15/21 11:51:10 AM #97:	Whatever happened to that landlord gimmick guy, Austin Era. --- @('_')@ <cite>3PiesAndAFork posted [p:950662910] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Whatever happened to that landlord gimmick guy, Austin Era. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/15/21 11:57:02 AM #98:	chrono625 posted... OK, so lets say we give housing to individuals for free. You seem to be completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that landlords are exploitative and should be abolished. I'm not making a detailed policy proposal for how to do that. I'm also not saying that maintenance, utilities, etc should be free. Upkeep and custodianship are services that should be fairly compensated. Owning a property is not a service. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:950663065] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>chrono625 posted... </cite> <quote>OK, so lets say we give housing to individuals for free.</quote>You seem to be completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that landlords are exploitative and should be abolished. I'm not making a detailed policy proposal for how to do that. I'm also not saying that maintenance, utilities, etc should be free. Upkeep and custodianship are services that should be fairly compensated. Owning a property is not a service. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 02/15/21 11:58:45 AM #99:	Shablagoo posted... This isnt an attack but what does that have to do with the question of landlording? It is unfair for someone to extort the profit of anothers labor. I am absolutely shocked to see you once again making an anti-landlord topic and then refusing to acknowledge that there are people who choose to rent for various situations and your "abolish property ownership" shit really screws those people. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:950663113] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>This isnt an attack but what does that have to do with the question of landlording? It is unfair for someone to extort the profit of anothers labor.</quote>I am absolutely shocked to see you once again making an anti-landlord topic and then refusing to acknowledge that there are people who choose to rent for various situations and your "abolish property ownership" shit really screws those people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/15/21 11:59:58 AM #100:	RebelElite791 posted... Im just saying, focus your energy on getting housing guaranteed to all, not on crying that citizens should be responsible for providing it Lol, wtf do you know about where I'm "focusing my energy"? I came into this topic and said that landlords are exploitative, and as a response, you condescendingly suggest where I should direct my activism. Let me ask you this: Do you think landlords are exploitative? Only answer if you feel you can spare the energy from your normally very impactful activism --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:950663148] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>RebelElite791 posted... </cite> <quote>Im just saying, focus your energy on getting housing guaranteed to all, not on crying that citizens should be responsible for providing it</quote>Lol, wtf do you know about where I'm "focusing my energy"? I came into this topic and said that landlords are exploitative, and as a response, you condescendingly suggest where I should direct my activism. Let me ask you this: Do you think landlords are exploitative? Only answer if you feel you can spare the energy from your normally very impactful activism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 02/15/21 12:01:39 PM #101:	CommonJoe posted... Then her and her mother go and get a brand new car (not even used, literally brand new), and then all of a sudden I have to fork over an extra $400/mo in "rent" money if that came to happen i flat out telling her no... cant spend what one doesn't have then proceed to fuck it up for everyone else. --- Explorers In The Further Regions Of Experience, demons to some, Angels To Others: Pinhead <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:950663186] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote>Then her and her mother go and get a brand new car (not even used, literally brand new), and then all of a sudden I have to fork over an extra $400/mo in "rent" money</quote> if that came to happen i flat out telling her no... cant spend what one doesn't have then proceed to fuck it up for everyone else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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