Current Events > So Kyle Rittenhouse won't be arrested again.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Despite lying about his location and the courts not being able to contact him.

something something privilege.

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He is not even gonna set a foot in jail. Dude has been getting preferential from day 1.

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*looks at kid*

Checks out.

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Imagine that.

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So what was the deal with this kid recently? He broke house arrest and went missing or something? And now he's not gonna get in trouble for that?

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slmcknett posted...

So what was the deal with this kid recently? He broke house arrest and went missing or something? And now he's not gonna get in trouble for that?

I don't know all the details but he was wanted for a crime and instead of keeping him in, they decided to let him roam even though he was a flight risk and just like that, he disappeared and the courts couldn't get in touch with him.

slmcknett posted...

So what was the deal with this kid recently? He broke house arrest and went missing or something? And now he's not gonna get in trouble for that?

Basically he lied about his address and didnt keep in touch which is a violation of his bond. But apparently thats all ok.

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Sounds about white

He's the kid that shot 3 people, 2 died at a Black Lives Matter protest. He claims it was self defense but witnesses say he was antagonistic to the victims before the fight. And lately he's been hanging out in bars with white supremacists

VipaGTS posted...

Basically he lied about his address and didnt keep in touch which is a violation of his bond. But apparently thats all ok.

Didnt he just move and not update his address? Thats not lying


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I heard he on purpose wrote down the wrong address. And he claims an unknown cop advised him to do it

YourDrunkFather posted...

Didnt he just move and not update his address? Thats not lying

Unless more came out... no. His lawyer and/or a high ranking police official told him to put a fake address down, because despite hanging out in bars getting drunk with white supremacists, he was fearful of his life.
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YourDrunkFather posted...

Didnt he just move and not update his address? Thats not lying

I imagine if you're on bail you have a legal obligation to update your address

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Yeah, I think you have to inform someone about a change of address within X amount of time, which I guess he just didn't do?

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Zikten posted...

And he claims an unknown cop advised him to do it

@darkprince45 , did you do this?

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For the love of God, you people sweat this kid so much and so often that you should be told to be sat down somewhere.

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Heineken14 posted...

Unless more came out... no. His lawyer and/or a high ranking police official told him to put a fake address down, because despite hanging out in bars getting drunk with white supremacists, he was fearful of his life.

Shouldnt a lawyer or a cop know that could get him in more trouble? Seems a strange thing to suggest if so

Hexenherz posted...

I imagine if you're on bail you have a legal obligation to update your address

I dont recall debating otherwise


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Vicious_Dios posted...

For the love of God, you people sweat this kid so much and so often that you should be told to be sat down somewhere.

Murderers who get treated with kid gloves because of their skin color annoy most people.

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It is noteworthy in this regard that all of the three men who were subject to defensive force by Kyle have more or less checkered criminal backgrounds, according to news reports. For example:

Joseph Rosenbaum, the man who attacked Kyle in the parking lot, and was shot in the head and killed for his trouble, was reportedly a convicted sex-offender for a sexual offense involving a minor.

Anthony Huber, the man captured on video who attempted to brain a fallen Kyle with a skateboard, reportedly has a criminal history of violence, including charges of batter and repeat domestic abuse.

Gaige Grosskreutz, the man captured on video attempting to shoot Kyle dead, and who suffered a traumatic arm injury when he was instead first shot by Kyle, reportedly has a criminal record of gun crimes.

In contrast, Kyle has no reported criminal history, not even any kind of sealed juvenile records.

Second, even if Kyle is guilty of some gun crime (e.g., underaged possession of a weapon) or curfew violation (a curfew apparently not being enforced against anybody), that purported crime is irrelevant to his self-defense justification for a use-of-force. Perhaps Kyle might be convicted of a gun offensebut that in no way undermines the lawfulness of his use-of-force in self-defense.

Vicious_Dios posted...

For the love of God, you people sweat this kid so much and so often that you should be told to be sat down somewhere.

Why am I not surprised you sympathize with this trigger happy rittenhouse kid?

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EricDraven59 posted...

It is noteworthy in this regard that all of the three men who were subject to defensive force by Kyle have more or less checkered criminal backgrounds, according to news reports. For example:

Joseph Rosenbaum, the man who attacked Kyle in the parking lot, and was shot in the head and killed for his trouble, was reportedly a convicted sex-offender for a sexual offense involving a minor.

Anthony Huber, the man captured on video who attempted to brain a fallen Kyle with a skateboard, reportedly has a criminal history of violence, including charges of batter and repeat domestic abuse.

Gaige Grosskreutz, the man captured on video attempting to shoot Kyle dead, and who suffered a traumatic arm injury when he was instead first shot by Kyle, reportedly has a criminal record of gun crimes.

In contrast, Kyle has no reported criminal history, not even any kind of sealed juvenile records.

Second, even if Kyle is guilty of some gun crime (e.g., underaged possession of a weapon) or curfew violation (a curfew apparently not being enforced against anybody), that purported crime is irrelevant to his self-defense justification for a use-of-force. Perhaps Kyle might be convicted of a gun offensebut that in no way undermines the lawfulness of his use-of-force in self-defense.

You don't get away with murder because the other person has done crimes. What they did is irrelevant. His self defense is irrelevant because he wasn't supposed to have those weapons in the first place. If he didn't have them and didnt gode people into attacking him no one would have died. This isnt how the law is supposed to work. But go ahead and defend the murderer.

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yutterh posted...

You don't get away with murder because the other person has done crimes

Sure you can, all you have to do is be a white person with influence in America.

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yutterh posted...

You don't get away with murder because the other person has done crimes. What they did is irrelevant. His self defense is irrelevant because he wasn't supposed to have those weapons in the first place. If he didn't have them and didnt gode people into attacking him no one would have died. This isnt how the law is supposed to work. But go ahead and defend the murderer.

I am not defending him, I'm not his lawyer. I am just stating facts that can be used in trial. By the way even if kyle was goading them to do violence, it was their choice to even pay attention and commit to the attacks on him. They could have just walked on by and not let emotions control them. But maybe you haven't watched all the videos, like uncensored ones and such, each of the people who were killed or injured had attacked him first. One with their fists, one with a skateboard, who also then grabbed onto Kyle's rifle and tried taking it, and the last guy actually had a gun and attempted to shoot kyle. From video evidence and witness testimony Yes kyle has a self defense case

EricDraven59 posted...

Second, even if Kyle is guilty of some gun crime (e.g., underaged possession of a weapon) or curfew violation (a curfew apparently not being enforced against anybody), that purported crime is irrelevant to his self-defense justification for a use-of-force. Perhaps Kyle might be convicted of a gun offensebut that in no way undermines the lawfulness of his use-of-force in self-defense.

Actually it literally does according to Wisconsin law.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/939/III/48

(ar) If an actor intentionally used force that was intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm, the court may not consider whether the actor had an opportunity to flee or retreat before he or she used force and shall presume that the actor reasonably believed that the force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself if the actor makes such a claim under sub. (1) and either of the following applies:

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(b) The presumption described in par. (ar) does not apply if any of the following applies:
1. The actor was engaged in a criminal activity or was using his or her dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business to further a criminal activity at the time.

Kyle was in possession of an illegal firearm and violating a county-issued curfew, thus engaged in criminal activity when he murdered those people.

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Is he really a flight risk if the whole country already knows he won't be going to jail anyways? Lol
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ScazarMeltex posted...

Murderers who get treated with kid gloves because of their skin color annoy most people.

"Murderers"

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VipaGTS posted...

the courts not being able to contact him.

For the record, the courts could contact him. They just had to go through his attorney. A privilege usually reserved for the filthy rich. But it's not without precedent.

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candyapplered posted...

"Murderers"

You don't travel across state lines, acquire a firearm, and violate state and county laws if you didn't plan on shooting someone that night.

It's premeditated. Plain and simple. He wanted to start shit so that someone would confront him and give him a reason to shoot.

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ZMythos posted...

Kyle was in possession of an illegal firearm and violating a county-issued curfew, thus engaged in criminal activity when he murdered those people.

If you are gonna use the curfew as an excuse, then it also can be used against the other people in the streets. If they were at home and not violating curfew, they would had never met Kyle

ZMythos posted...

You don't travel across state lines, acquire a firearm, and violate state and county laws if you didn't plan on shooting someone that night.

Eh... the guy Rittenhouse shot also carried a firearm across state lines.

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EricDraven59 posted...

If you are gonna use the curfew as an excuse, then it also can be used against the other people in the streets. If they were at home and not violating curfew, they would had never met Kyle

BeyondWalls posted...

Eh... the guy Rittenhouse shot also carried a firearm across state lines.

OK, and they should have been tried for those crimes and not killed. None of this excuses Rittenhouse's actions.

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BeyondWalls posted...

Eh... the guy Rittenhouse shot also carried a firearm across state lines.

And did he not plan on shooting someone that night?
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Bio1590 posted...

And did he not plan on shooting someone that night?

Well considering he was not legally allowed to have a gun his intentions were more than likely nefarious.

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Monolith1676 posted...

Well considering he was not legally allowed to have a gun his intentions were more than likely nefarious.

You can't say that about Kyle for sure. The evidence is that the only people shot that night were the ones who attacked him. He had many more bullets, if his attention was to hit the streets and murder people he would have unloaded onto a crowd

Kyle was minding his own business putting out a garbage can fire and was attacked by Rosenbaum, who had already threatened them earlier in the night.

There wasn't much he could have done and the jury will see this and he will get off. This isn't Naruto where you jump onto the roof and escape. He tried running and was corned. Anybody bringing up the state line stuff or curfew stuff is being disingenuous at this point because it's irrelevant. Self-defense doesn't just go out the window just because you comitted any crime. It's serious level felonies.

The fucked up thing here is that both the left and right see this guy as something that he's not. One thinks he's a murderer and the other, a hero.

Dude was attacked by a crazy dude and got out. End of story.

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EricDraven59 posted...

You can't say that about Kyle for sure. The evidence is that the only people shot that night were the ones who attacked him. He had many more bullets, if his attention was to hit the streets and murder people he would have unloaded onto a crowd

Personally I think both were in the wrong for bringing guns to the protest/riot. Knowing how old he is, he probably brought it to try to look tougher than he really is.

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The amount of people defending a kid who intentionally went across state lines to kill people at a BLM protest is too high.

But it's no surprise when the republican party is literally turning itself into the party of terrorism.

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EricDraven59 posted...

You can't say that about Kyle for sure. The evidence is that the only people shot that night were the ones who attacked him. He had many more bullets, if his attention was to hit the streets and murder people he would have unloaded onto a crowd

(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.
(b) The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant.
(c) A person who provokes an attack, whether by lawful or unlawful conduct, with intent to use such an attack as an excuse to cause death or great bodily harm to his or her assailant is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense.

Chekov's gun in the real world. You don't cross state lines and bring a gun to a protest that has nothing to do with you if you don't plan on shooting someone.

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Jeez, being a white person really does mean you get away with anything.
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InfinityMonster posted...

Anybody bringing up the state line stuff or curfew stuff is being disingenuous at this point because it's irrelevant. Self-defense doesn't just go out the window just because you comitted any crime.

You're being disingenuous if you didn't read the actual WI state law that I cited that literally says committing a crime nullifies the self-defense clause.

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LightningAce11 posted...

Jeez, being a white person really does mean you get away with anything.

A white person who murders people on the right side, that is.

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Crazy the amount of bullshit coming from America's One Source For Truth about this case. Being out past curfew isn't a crime that denies you self defense, and you can legally defend yourself with an illegal weapon.

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shnangyboos posted...

Crazy the amount of bullshit coming from America's One Source For Truth about this case. Being out past curfew isn't a crime that denies you self defense, and you can legally defend yourself with an illegal weapon.

Read the actual law. I quoted and cited it. You are wrong.

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Anyways i deleted my posts in this thread as i have a feeling someone would mark me for "trolling", even though i wasn't and was just trying to have a good debate about this topic. Well thanks to everyone that has debated with me. For now i am heading to sleep

EricDraven59 posted...

Anyways i deleted my posts in this thread as i have a feeling someone would mark me for "trolling", even though i wasn't and was just trying to have a good debate about this topic. Well thanks to everyone that has debated with me. For now i am heading to sleep

I was wondering what had happened. I heavily disagree with you but you didn't seem like you were trolling or being provocative, and nothing you said was moddable so i was confused.


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Vicious_Dios posted...

For the love of God, you people sweat this kid so much and so often that you should be told to be sat down somewhere.

Not surprising that you would defend a fellow Trump stain.

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ZMythos posted...

Read the actual law. I quoted and cited it. You are wrong.

Being out after hours is not a provocation though to be fair.

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Monolith1676 posted...

Being out after hours is not a provocation though to be fair.

No, it isn't. But brandishing a weapon at a protest that isn't anywhere near where you live and is already at the brink of chaos could certainly be interpreted as provocative.

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ZMythos posted...

You're being disingenuous if you didn't read the actual WI state law that I cited that literally says committing a crime nullifies the self-defense clause.

I did, and addressed it.

Reread the law. AR is being excluded. Not 1. All AR says is that they will ignore whether you retreated or not.

Also, as I said, the bar for criminal activity is much higher than any crime. It would be absolutely ridiculous to lose your claim self-defense because you broke one of the millions of laws. It applies to situations like robberies, conspiracies, kidnappings, etc.

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