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Monolith1676
02/12/21 12:27:31 AM
#51:


ZMythos posted...
No, it isn't. But brandishing a weapon at a protest that isn't anywhere near where you live and is already at the brink of chaos could certainly be interpreted as provocative.

It could be but who in their right mind would chase and attack a person carrying a gun like that? Would you run after avguy carrying a gun while you yourself are unarmed?

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Heavy_D_Forever
02/12/21 12:38:50 AM
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Anyone who says it wasn't self defense doesn't understand the law. The video alone is all the evidence his defense team needs.

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YourDrunkFather
02/12/21 1:59:40 AM
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Heavy_D_Forever posted...
Anyone who says it wasn't self defense doesn't understand the law. The video alone is all the evidence his defense team needs.

These people think its murder to shoot somebody whos trying to cave your head in with a skateboard

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SPE
02/12/21 8:04:13 AM
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Heavy_D_Forever posted...
Anyone who says it wasn't self defense doesn't understand the law. The video alone is all the evidence his defense team needs.

this is a bad faith argument and you know it.

the guy literally travelled from a different state to arrive at a place that was already having violence and riots in order to confront said violent rioters and flaunt his weapon at them.

if someone began humping the air right in front of you, calling you names, screaming at your face and blocking your way would you just take it, or would you move the person out of your way? Congrats, according to your logic you would have just attacked the other person and would deserve to be murdered in cold blood.

but, Korok, Kyle wasnt humping the air!. No, he did something worse, he flaunted a fire weapon at a bunch of rioters protesting the fact that they get shot at.

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NinjaWarrior455
02/12/21 8:08:44 AM
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Nazi folk hero Kyle Rittenhouse

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WaterLink
02/12/21 10:32:47 AM
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Is there something more about the crossing state lines argument? I see it brought up all the time as if he traveled for hours or something to be there but my daily commute to work is longer than what he had to travel. It's about the same as a commute from most suburbs to their city. So just wondering if there's more to the state lines thing or if it's just framed that way to make it seems like it isn't a place he'd reasonably go any other day?
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JimmyFraska
02/12/21 10:35:20 AM
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Zikten posted...
He's the kid that shot 3 people, 2 died at a Black Lives Matter protest. He claims it was self defense but witnesses say he was antagonistic to the victims before the fight. And lately he's been hanging out in bars with white supremacists
That's awful. Was there a video of this? I feel if there was it would be pretty useful in judging the situation
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JBaLLEN66
02/12/21 10:36:45 AM
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Good, leave that poor kid alone. You shouldnt be declared guilty by a leftist Reddit mob

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Southernfatman
02/12/21 10:38:55 AM
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I feel this goes beyond just "white privilege", not that isn't a factor of course, but I think it's also "right winger" privilege as well. A lot of these judges agree with all that shit.

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JBaLLEN66
02/12/21 10:48:11 AM
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Southernfatman posted...
I feel this goes beyond just "white privilege", not that isn't a factor of course, but I think it's also "right winger" privilege as well. A lot of these judges agree with all that shit.

or you can just actually evaluate the situation instead of listen to Reddit/Twitter mobs

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Bio1590
02/12/21 11:36:14 AM
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WaterLink posted...
or if it's just framed that way to make it seems like it isn't a place he'd reasonably go any other day?

Considering he's under-aged (or was at the time of the incident), I highly doubt he's going anywhere near Kenosha "any other day", especially at night with a curfew, and especially when there's civil unrest occurring.

E: Regardless of how close Antioch is to the Wisconsin border, crossing state lines to commit a crime gets the Feds involved.
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VipaGTS
02/12/21 11:38:17 AM
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JBaLLEN66 posted...
or you can just actually evaluate the situation instead of listen to Reddit/Twitter mobs
Sure lets evaluate it.

traveled to a place, across state lines (so not even directly affecting him), where violence is occurring with an illegal gun with all intentions of using it to help. kills two people, is let go by the cops at the time, given bail, while on bail is seen at bars hanging out with white supremacists, lies about his address, which is a violation of his bail and isnt rearrested.

sorry, but there are some people who got caught with weed that dont even get bail, let alone all the breaks this idiot is getting despite not making any good decisions throughout all of this.

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Dathrowed1
02/12/21 11:39:54 AM
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Am I missing something? Isn't this about a Hispanic kid killing White men?

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SquirtleSkwad
02/12/21 11:41:48 AM
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I'm willing to bet he'll get some vigilante justice in due time.

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Cerealmilk
02/12/21 11:49:26 AM
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Dathrowed1 posted...
Am I missing something? Isn't this about a Hispanic kid killing White men?

right wing guy kills left wing guy

that is all that you need to know here really
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yusiko
02/12/21 11:52:31 AM
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remember when a bunch of white men followed a black jogger in their truck, hit him with their truck, and then shot him and people on the internet claimed it was self defense?
yeah they were full of shit then and they are full of shit now


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Esrac
02/12/21 11:54:56 AM
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slmcknett posted...
So what was the deal with this kid recently? He broke house arrest and went missing or something? And now he's not gonna get in trouble for that?

Last I heard, he failed to update his current address with the authorities. There is a 48 hour window, but apparently his family moved out of that residence, at the latest, last December.

So, like two months without updating.
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Dathrowed1
02/12/21 11:56:43 AM
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yusiko posted...
remember when a bunch of white men followed a black jogger in their truck, hit him with their truck, and then shot him and people on the internet claimed it was self defense?
yeah they were full of shit then and they are full of shit now
It was 2 White men. Here we have a Hispanic kid who killed 2 or 3 White men

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VipaGTS
02/12/21 12:04:29 PM
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Dathrowed1 posted...
It was 2 White men. Here we have a Hispanic kid who killed 2 or 3 White men
Stop being dense. He appears white to the people who like him, he acts like a supremacist and was even seen having fun with them. Its just like with Zimmerman. People know hes Hispanic after the fact. It didnt cross peoples minds during the fact. All they saw was a guy who acted like them and was against Black Lives Matter.

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RadiantJoyrock
02/12/21 12:09:33 PM
#74:


ZMythos posted...
Actually it literally does according to Wisconsin law.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/939/III/48

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Kyle was in possession of an illegal firearm and violating a county-issued curfew, thus engaged in criminal activity when he murdered those people.
Yeah thats not what criminal activity means in this context. Kid is a pile of shit, but what witnesses describe was purely self defense. Even if he did goad a fight, which there is no reliable evidence of, witnesses report him clearly trying to flee and avoid until it wasn't possible.
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Monolith1676
02/12/21 12:14:49 PM
#75:


yusiko posted...
remember when a bunch of white men followed a black jogger in their truck, hit him with their truck, and then shot him and people on the internet claimed it was self defense?
yeah they were full of shit then and they are full of shit now

Well the difference is those people were following that guy. In Rittenhouse's situation people were actively chasing him and attacking him.

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Cerealmilk
02/12/21 12:15:55 PM
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bunch of armchair lawyers itt
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VipaGTS
02/12/21 12:18:09 PM
#77:


Monolith1676 posted...
Well the difference is those people were following that guy. In Rittenhouse's situation people were actively chasing him and attacking him.
He entered a violent situation with a weapon. How come you dont give those people the same benefit of the doubt? What if they thought he was going to harm them and they were chasing him away to protect others around? He didnt need to be there. He put himself there. It wasnt an accident. He wasnt in the wrong place at the wrong time. He went there looking for that. They werent looking for him.

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Monolith1676
02/12/21 12:28:50 PM
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VipaGTS posted...
He entered a violent situation with a weapon. How come you dont give those people the same benefit of the doubt? What if they thought he was going to harm them and they were chasing him away to protect others around? He didnt need to be there. He put himself there. It wasnt an accident. He wasnt in the wrong place at the wrong time. He went there looking for that. They werent looking for him.

As I said earlier:

It could be but who in their right mind would chase and attack a person carrying a gun like that? Would you run after aguy carrying a gun while you yourself are unarmed?

This isn't like in a mass shooting where someone takes an opportunity to take a shooter down, this was actively chasing someone for a long distance.

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JBaLLEN66
02/12/21 1:32:54 PM
#79:


VipaGTS posted...
Sure lets evaluate it.

traveled to a place, across state lines (so not even directly affecting him), where violence is occurring with an illegal gun with all intentions of using it to help. kills two people, is let go by the cops at the time, given bail, while on bail is seen at bars hanging out with white supremacists, lies about his address, which is a violation of his bail and isnt rearrested.

sorry, but there are some people who got caught with weed that dont even get bail, let alone all the breaks this idiot is getting despite not making any good decisions throughout all of this.

If you want to argue rather him having an illegal gun at the time then be my guest, but don't go calling him a white supremacist because he defended himself against a mob.

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RadiantJoyrock
02/12/21 1:35:47 PM
#80:


JBaLLEN66 posted...
If you want to argue rather him having an illegal gun at the time then be my guest, but don't go calling him a white supremacist because he defended himself against a mob.
Pretty sure they're calling him a white supremacist because of all the interacting he does with other white supremacists.
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LinkPizza
02/12/21 1:36:16 PM
#81:


JBaLLEN66 posted...
don't go calling him a white supremacist because he defended himself against a mob.

I think they were calling him that because he was apparently hanging out with white supremacist...
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Extreme_light
02/12/21 1:36:46 PM
#82:


JBaLLEN66 posted...
If you want to argue rather him having an illegal gun at the time then be my guest, but don't go calling him a white supremacist because he defended himself against a mob.

I mean if you show up to a protest in a completely different state with the intention (he didn't even need the gun) to confront a movement that wants to help black lives then..........

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Bishop9800
02/12/21 1:38:41 PM
#83:


JBaLLEN66 posted...
If you want to argue rather him having an illegal gun at the time then be my guest, but don't go calling him a white supremacist because he defended himself against a mob.

Gotta protect your " boy in the hood" don't you?

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Dathrowed1
02/12/21 1:42:44 PM
#84:


VipaGTS posted...
Stop being dense. He appears white to the people who like him, he acts like a supremacist and was even seen having fun with them. Its just like with Zimmerman. People know hes Hispanic after the fact. It didnt cross peoples minds during the fact. All they saw was a guy who acted like them and was against Black Lives Matter.
Doesn't change that he's Hispanic and his victims were White

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JBaLLEN66
02/12/21 1:46:37 PM
#85:


RadiantJoyrock posted...
Pretty sure they're calling him a white supremacist because of all the interacting he does with other white supremacists.

Oh please, he was attacked from the start. Of course he's going to find allies in the right because the twitter/reddit mobs declared war on him

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Tmaster148
02/12/21 1:47:43 PM
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JBaLLEN66 posted...
Oh please, he was attacked from the start. Of course he's going to find allies in the right because the twitter/reddit mobs declared war on him

Nothing like doubling down on defending a white supremacist.

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JBaLLEN66
02/12/21 1:48:28 PM
#87:


Tmaster148 posted...
Nothing like doubling down on defending a white supremacist.

right wing doesn't mean white supremacists. White supremacists can be found in left wing groups too.

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Bishop9800
02/12/21 2:25:04 PM
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JBaLLEN66 posted...
right wing doesn't mean white supremacists. White supremacists can be found in left wing groups too.

Please, show us some examples....

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RadiantJoyrock
02/12/21 2:29:02 PM
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JBaLLEN66 posted...
Oh please, he was attacked from the start. Of course he's going to find allies in the right because the twitter/reddit mobs declared war on him
Pretty sure he was attending trump rallies well before he was famous.
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The23rdMagus
02/12/21 2:31:59 PM
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Pretty sure skipping bail can be a felony as well. Let's see how this progresses.

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ZMythos
02/12/21 3:45:02 PM
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Gotta love people changing the definition of criminal activity to excuse illegal possession of a firearm with the intent to shoot it.

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Monolith1676
02/12/21 3:51:53 PM
#92:


ZMythos posted...
Gotta love people changing the definition of criminal activity to excuse illegal possession of a firearm with the intent to shoot it.

Intent is the hardest thing to prove in court.

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Tmaster148
02/12/21 3:52:04 PM
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ZMythos posted...
Gotta love people changing the definition of criminal activity to excuse illegal possession of a firearm with the intent to shoot it.

They are basically saying they agree with what he did therefore it can't be criminal.

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Bishop9800
02/12/21 4:41:48 PM
#94:


Tmaster148 posted...
They are basically saying they agree with what he did therefore it can't be criminal.

Pretty much

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NinjaWarrior455
02/12/21 4:46:15 PM
#95:


JBaLLEN66 posted...
Oh please, he was attacked from the start. Of course he's going to find allies in the right because the twitter/reddit mobs declared war on him
The dude was the biggest MAGA chud before the Kenosha protests even happened

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SPE
02/12/21 4:56:01 PM
#96:


ZMythos posted...
Gotta love people changing the definition of criminal activity to excuse illegal possession of a firearm with the intent to shoot it.

they changed their definition of self defense too

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Naysaspace
02/12/21 5:06:01 PM
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all it'll take is some vigilante who recognizes him on the street, and his life will be irreparably changed.

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badwinkles
02/12/21 5:06:40 PM
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InfinityMonster
02/12/21 5:19:20 PM
#99:


SPE posted...
this is a bad faith argument and you know it.

the guy literally travelled from a different state to arrive at a place that was already having violence and riots in order to confront said violent rioters and flaunt his weapon at them.

if someone began humping the air right in front of you, calling you names, screaming at your face and blocking your way would you just take it, or would you move the person out of your way? Congrats, according to your logic you would have just attacked the other person and would deserve to be murdered in cold blood.

but, Korok, Kyle wasnt humping the air!. No, he did something worse, he flaunted a fire weapon at a bunch of rioters protesting the fact that they get shot at.
This is not what happened, like at all. Again, he was off on his own and then attacked by Rosenbaum and his crew while putting out a trash can fire.

yusiko posted...
remember when a bunch of white men followed a black jogger in their truck, hit him with their truck, and then shot him and people on the internet claimed it was self defense?
yeah they were full of shit then and they are full of shit now
If Arbery shot those two dudes, he would have the same self-defense claim as Kyle. Both were apparoached and attacked, and both countered back by trying to get out of the situation, which involved violence against the perps.

ZMythos posted...
Gotta love people changing the definition of criminal activity to excuse illegal possession of a firearm with the intent to shoot it.

This is what I'm talking about being disingenuous. That is not how this shit even works. Guns are for both offense and defense. To imply just having a gun means your intent was to shot is asinine.

And no one is changing the definition. You interpreted the law completely incorrectly instead of just understanding it. The criminal activity part is not even really relevant as I explained.

You've also brought up the state lines thing several times. Like, the motherfucker lives on the state line. He can walk to WI. The distance between his place and Kenosha is less than traveling between the 5 boroughs of NYC or different from crossing state lines going from Manhattan to New Jersey.

Tmaster148 posted...
They are basically saying they agree with what he did therefore it can't be criminal.
What a dumb take.

It's scary how facts and stuff are only relevant when convenient nowadays. People just can't stay consistent.

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Tmaster148
02/12/21 5:22:05 PM
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InfinityMonster posted...
You've also brought up the state lines thing several times. Like, the motherfucker lives on the state line. He can walk to WI. The distance between his place and Kenosha is less than traveling between the 5 boroughs of NYC or different from crossing state lines going from Manhattan to New Jersey.

So you think it's okay to bring an illegally owned firearm across state lines just because he lives close to the border.

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InfinityMonster
02/12/21 5:23:58 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
So you think it's okay to bring an illegally owned firearm across state lines just because he lives close to the border.
No, it's not ok. However, none of that precludes his self-defense claim. Just being there with the gun does in no way prove intent nor destroy his self defense claim as written in the law posted already. Especially when there's an entire interview of him minutes before the shooting talking about how why he's here and why he needs the gun.

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