Poll of the Day > Gina Carano fired from The Mandalorian over transphobic/anti non-binary remarks

Topic List
Page List: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
Jornavyr
02/12/21 4:14:41 AM
#101:


Mead posted...
Youre again not understanding how free speech works. You can comment on whatever you want. You didnt get moderated for your comments now did you? But its obviously my freedom to respond to you the way that I choose.
I probably didn't get moderated for my comments, because I didn't break the rules. But that isn't the issue that we're discussing here. I'm honestly not even sure what your point is at this point. That free speech isn't being infringed because I didn't get moderated on this post? That's kind of a flimsy argument, if that is what you're going for. I think it's you, who doesn't understand how free speech works. Or at least, how it's supposed to work. All I've said, is that there shouldn't be such a disproportionate punishment levelled out, for words that some people clutch their pearls over. That's all. I personally feel that speech should be free. You feel that it should be regulated by the government. I understand you buddy. I just don't agree with you at all.

---
Glory and fame, blood is our name.
Souls full of thunder, hearts of steel.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead
02/12/21 4:28:21 AM
#102:


Jornavyr posted...
All I've said, is that there shouldn't be such a disproportionate punishment levelled out, for words that some people clutch their pearls over. That's all. I personally feel that speech should be free. You feel that it should be regulated by the government. I understand you buddy. I just don't agree with you at all.

Literally no one has said anything of the sort in this topic.

She chose to make controversial statements on a public forum and her employer reacted to that. At what point was her free speech restricted? She can still say whatever she wants but her private employer is under no obligation to retain employees regardless of what statements they make.

---
YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jornavyr
02/12/21 4:36:26 AM
#103:


Mead posted...
Literally no one has said anything of the sort in this topic.

She chose to make controversial statements on a public forum and her employer reacted to that. At what point was her free speech restricted? She can still say whatever she wants but her private employer is under no obligation to retain employees regardless of what statements they make.
Well, she was repeatedly reprimanded, and abused for her speech. She was repeatedly told to self censor. And finally, she paid a heavy price for her speech. In what way was it free? Where was the freedom?

---
Glory and fame, blood is our name.
Souls full of thunder, hearts of steel.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead
02/12/21 4:46:51 AM
#104:


Jornavyr posted...
Well, she was repeatedly reprimanded, and abused for her speech. She was repeatedly told to self censor. And finally, she paid a heavy price for her speech. In what way was it free? Where was the freedom?

Im not going to continue arguing in circles with you. Everyone should have the freedom to say what they choose, and everybody else has the freedom to react to that. I cant make it any more simple then that for you.

---
YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano
... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma
02/12/21 4:48:03 AM
#105:


Jornavyr posted...
Me not being American can't really abide by that in any capacity.
Which country are you from, by the way?

---
What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom?
A pickpocket snatches your watch.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin
02/12/21 4:49:07 AM
#106:


for reference, Jor is not my alt for further argument :V

---
"Salt cures Everything!"
My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jornavyr
02/12/21 4:55:47 AM
#107:


Mead posted...
Im not going to continue arguing in circles with you. Everyone should have the freedom to say what they choose, and everybody else has the freedom to react to that. I cant make it any more simple then that for you.
I'd be willing to agree with that. As long as the reaction to the speech is proportionate.
Lokarin posted...
for reference, Jor is not my alt for further argument :V
I'm not anyone's alt though. So yeah, you're in the clear.
Sarcasthma posted...
Which country are you from, by the way?
I am an Australian. I'd be willing to guess that it all makes sense now?

---
Glory and fame, blood is our name.
Souls full of thunder, hearts of steel.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma
02/12/21 5:13:05 AM
#108:


Jornavyr posted...
I'd be willing to guess that it all makes sense now?
Things are starting to come together, yes.

---
What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom?
A pickpocket snatches your watch.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jornavyr
02/12/21 5:21:40 AM
#109:


Sarcasthma posted...
Things are starting to come together, yes.
Yeah, you liberal Americans seem to hate my country for some reason. Not sure why though.

---
Glory and fame, blood is our name.
Souls full of thunder, hearts of steel.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin
02/12/21 5:22:33 AM
#110:


Iz weird, straylya is a cool place

---
"Salt cures Everything!"
My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jornavyr
02/12/21 5:29:26 AM
#111:


Lokarin posted...
Iz weird, straylya is a cool place
Hey thanks man. Location wise, I think we're one of the best in the world, if I'm being honest.

But we're such a young country, that I don't understand how people can have an issue with us. We haven't been around long enough to do anything yet.

And our way of life is a liberal progressives wet dream. Free healthcare. Welfare for everyone. Free education.

---
Glory and fame, blood is our name.
Souls full of thunder, hearts of steel.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jornavyr
02/12/21 5:31:01 AM
#112:


Maybe Chris Hemsworth is setting a bad example. We might need to call him home for a booting.

---
Glory and fame, blood is our name.
Souls full of thunder, hearts of steel.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead
02/12/21 5:41:10 AM
#113:


Jornavyr posted...
Yeah, you liberal Americans seem to hate my country for some reason. Not sure why though.

Koalas and Vegemite. Thats all anyone that anyone who is not Australian knows about that place.

---
YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano
... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin
02/12/21 5:42:40 AM
#114:


Mead posted...
Koalas and Vegemite. Thats all anyone that anyone who is not Australian knows about that place.

Also Ken Ham

---
"Salt cures Everything!"
My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos
... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma
02/12/21 5:47:03 AM
#115:


Jornavyr posted...
Yeah, you liberal Americans seem to hate my country for some reason. Not sure why though.
Where in all 2 (now 3) of my posts in this topic have I indicated that I hate Australia?

---
What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom?
A pickpocket snatches your watch.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Monopoman
02/12/21 5:52:54 AM
#116:


You have the right to walk into the bosses office and cuss him out, that doesn't prevent you from being fired from your job for cussing out the boss.

Twitter is not a private chat, it's not like going into a bar and making racist comments with your buddies. This is not rocket science here folks, you act like if I work for Disney I should be able to call their company trash and say they are the worst company on earth, and yet Disney can't fire me because herp derp Freedom of speech.

At a friends house you can call your boss all manner of things and nothing will happen, unless your friends intentionally tell the boss what you said.

Freedom of speech has to be the most misunderstood thing ever.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Philip027
02/12/21 5:59:04 AM
#117:


Regarding the subject of "free speech" it's pretty clear a lot of people in this topic would benefit from reading xkcd strip 1357
... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin
02/12/21 6:00:33 AM
#118:


Philip027 posted...
Regarding the subject of "free speech" it's pretty clear a lot of people in this topic would benefit from reading xkcd strip 1357

ya, I usually mean the spirit of free speech rather than its legal definition - since things like hate speech/threats are legally distinct and fairly restricted.

---
"Salt cures Everything!"
My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jornavyr
02/12/21 7:15:30 AM
#119:


Monopoman posted...
You have the right to walk into the bosses office and cuss him out, that doesn't prevent you from being fired from your job for cussing out the boss.

Twitter is not a private chat, it's not like going into a bar and making racist comments with your buddies. This is not rocket science here folks, you act like if I work for Disney I should be able to call their company trash and say they are the worst company on earth, and yet Disney can't fire me because herp derp Freedom of speech.

At a friends house you can call your boss all manner of things and nothing will happen, unless your friends intentionally tell the boss what you said.

Freedom of speech has to be the most misunderstood thing ever.
You are literally proving your last sentence. I also don't believe that I acted like you could say anything to Disney. I don't think that was even the topic of the conversation. Gina didn't get fired for criticizing Disney.

---
Glory and fame, blood is our name.
Souls full of thunder, hearts of steel.
... Copied to Clipboard!
HornedLion
02/12/21 8:12:19 AM
#120:


Just found out Disney had plans on giving her her own show. Now thats out the window and her agency dropped her.

Im not upset that someone who said transphobic things got punished... but I am perplexed by how recklessly one person can throw everything away. Shows shes guided by emotions and not intelligent thought. Im attracted to cerebral women btw.

---
"Skippitty Bop boom ba-dop. Wham wham bam bam"
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jornavyr
02/12/21 8:17:19 AM
#121:


HornedLion posted...
Just found out Disney had plans on giving her her own show. Now thats out the window and her agency dropped her.

Im not upset that someone who said transphobic things got punished... but I am perplexed by how recklessly one person can throw everything away. Shows shes guided by emotions and not intelligent thought. Im attracted to cerebral women btw.
Yeah, she should have just abandoned her principles just so she could get a Disney spinoff. Surely that is what a strong independent woman would have done.

What transphobic things did she say btw?

---
Glory and fame, blood is our name.
Souls full of thunder, hearts of steel.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jornavyr
02/12/21 8:24:10 AM
#122:


"Ohh my god, I'm clutchin my pearls"

https://youtu.be/f7fQhzLgrLk


---
Glory and fame, blood is our name.
Souls full of thunder, hearts of steel.
... Copied to Clipboard!
HornedLion
02/12/21 8:29:08 AM
#123:


Jornavyr posted...
Surely that is what a strong independent woman would have done.

https://youtu.be/4m1EFMoRFvY

---
"Skippitty Bop boom ba-dop. Wham wham bam bam"
... Copied to Clipboard!
DANTE20XX
02/12/21 8:31:44 AM
#124:


Jornavyr posted...
What transphobic things did she say btw?
Wondering this too.

---
Solid's snake still shoots liquid, it's just that it's null.
... Copied to Clipboard!
MeteoricBurst
02/12/21 8:31:55 AM
#125:


Jornavyr posted...
Yeah, she should have just abandoned her principles just so she could get a Disney spinoff. Surely that is what a strong independent woman would have done.

If she really believed in her principles she would have quit before, on said principles. But no she still wanted that sweet Disney money. Like most celebs she's a greedy fraud and it baffles me why regular people defend shites like her as if she would give a damn about you. It's clear the employer didn't share her principles since like you said she was repeatedly reprimanded. Yet still went out of line like a naughty child that's untrained. The long and short of it is she's a dumbass who should have kept her trap shut.

---
"I had no choice but to choose the DLC." - Junichi Masuda
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jornavyr
02/12/21 8:45:07 AM
#126:


MeteoricBurst posted...
If she really believed in her principles she would have quit before, on said principles. But no she still wanted that sweet Disney money. Like most celebs she's a greedy fraud and it baffles me why regular people defend shites like her as if she would give a damn about you. It's clear the employer didn't share her principles since like you said she was repeatedly reprimanded. Yet still went out of line like a naughty child that's untrained. The long and short of it is she's a dumbass who should have kept her trap shut.
Yeah, perhaps she should have quit. I have no doubt that the money and the spotlight was alluring for her. But, those opportunities certainly weren't enough for her to abandon her principles over. Clearly, she was still willing to speak her mind, and I think that she should be applauded for that. Most celebs would just shut their trap and keep pocketing the money. Hell, I'm almost positive that most celebs are disingenuous about the ideological positions that they hold anyway, and that they push these ideological ideals because it's insanely profitable for them. They are actors after all. Trained in the craft.

---
Glory and fame, blood is our name.
Souls full of thunder, hearts of steel.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jornavyr
02/12/21 8:45:44 AM
#127:


DANTE20XX posted...
Wondering this too.
I've been wondering this for weeks tbh. Best I can find, is that she refused to list her pronouns.

---
Glory and fame, blood is our name.
Souls full of thunder, hearts of steel.
... Copied to Clipboard!
pvegeta
02/12/21 8:51:29 AM
#128:


Being thicc can only get you so many passes.

---
gamertag - Jamal The Titan, PSN: MrCannady
Twitch - PrezVegeta
... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9
02/12/21 9:00:08 AM
#129:


Jornavyr posted...
I've been wondering this for weeks tbh. Best I can find, is that she refused to list her pronouns.
Yeah, fans asked her to list her pronouns as a show of support for trans people, and as a middle finger to her fans and trans people she put "beep/bop/boop" instead when she could have simply done nothing. I don't think that's why she was fired though. That would be her stupid comparison between being a Republican in America to being a Jew in Nazi Germany, and also the anti-mask shit.

---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jornavyr
02/12/21 9:04:10 AM
#130:


kind9 posted...
Yeah, fans asked her to list her pronouns as a show of support for trans people, and as a middle finger to her fans and trans people she put "beep/bop/boop" instead when she could have simply done nothing. I don't think that's why she was fired though. That would be her stupid comparison between being a Republican in America to being a Jew in Nazi Germany, and also the anti-mask shit.
Ahhh ok. Personally, I found the "Beep Bop Boop" thing to be hilarious. It was R2-D2s pronouns lol. But anyway, if she doesn't want to list her pronouns, then she shouldn't have to. It's clear that she's a woman.

Ohhh and man, she never compared Republicans to anything. That actually never happened. If you watch the video that I posted up above, you can see that for yourself.

---
Glory and fame, blood is our name.
Souls full of thunder, hearts of steel.
... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9
02/12/21 9:20:34 AM
#131:


Jornavyr posted...
It was R2-D2s pronouns lol
For some reason I didn't even put this together. I guess it wasn't that bad, but doing it in response to her fans asking for solidarity seems in bad taste.

Jornavyr posted...
Ohhh and man, she never compared Republicans to anything. That actually never happened. If you watch the video that I posted up above, you can see that for yourself.
I'd rather not. Why don't you just sum it up in a sentence or two?

---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jornavyr
02/12/21 9:34:53 AM
#132:


kind9 posted...
For some reason I didn't even put this together. I guess it wasn't that bad, but doing it in response to her fans asking for solidarity seems in bad taste.

I'd rather not. Why don't you just sum it up in a sentence or two?
I feel that would do the video a disservice. If you don't care, then you don't care.

---
Glory and fame, blood is our name.
Souls full of thunder, hearts of steel.
... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9
02/12/21 9:39:25 AM
#133:


I don't care about the video. I hate when people post videos to make their points for them.

---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Jornavyr
02/12/21 9:51:02 AM
#134:


kind9 posted...
I don't care about the video. I hate when people post videos to make their points for them.
Well, I've made my point several times on this thread. The video is just a bit more articulate, I would say. And it's a good summary for my opinions on this subject. If you want, go and read all 130 posts on this board, and you'll see that my opinions are fairly in line with the content creator who made that specific video.


---
Glory and fame, blood is our name.
Souls full of thunder, hearts of steel.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin
02/12/21 9:53:41 AM
#135:


... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9
02/12/21 9:55:50 AM
#136:


Jornavyr posted...
Well, I've made my point several times on this thread. The video is just a bit more articulate, I would say. And it's a good summary for my opinions on this subject. If you want, go and read all 130 posts on this board, and you'll see that my opinions are fairly in line with the content creator who made that specific video.
I watched the first 6-7 minutes and all he did was interpret the last part of her post differently, mainly by acting incredulous, which is never convincing. The last sentence in her post was pretty unambiguous if you ask me, but this guy is really reaching for a different meaning.

---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue
02/12/21 10:10:09 AM
#137:


Jornavyr posted...
What transphobic things did she say btw?
She mocked people who put their pronouns on their bios on Twitter/social media, then backpedaled and offered half-baked explanations when she caught shit for it.

---
https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2
"Far-Queue is probably one of the least troll-like of the posters here." - LinkPizza
... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead
02/12/21 12:40:29 PM
#138:


Jornavyr posted...
Ohhh and man, she never compared Republicans to anything. That actually never happened. If you watch the video that I posted up above, you can see that for yourself.

She quite clearly did. That is what she is referencing in her post about holocaust jews and how she thinks its similar to people being judged for their political beliefs

---
YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano
... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66
02/12/21 12:45:39 PM
#139:


She thinks Americans are gonna start rounding up Republicans and putting them in cages?

---
PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69
Big bombs go kabang.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead
02/12/21 12:59:25 PM
#140:


Metalsonic66 posted...
She thinks Americans are gonna start rounding up Republicans and putting them in cages?

I doubt she thinks that but she does seem to think that the way most people view republicans is the same as the way that many Germans viewed Jews in the 1930s

---
YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano
... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13
02/12/21 1:21:42 PM
#141:


Which is almost ironic, as we now know that to be Grand Ol' Projectors speak for "We would totally do that to you, so we'll accuse you of doing that to us."

---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead
02/12/21 2:24:54 PM
#142:


Philip027 posted...
Regarding the subject of "free speech" it's pretty clear a lot of people in this topic would benefit from reading xkcd strip 1357

hadnt seen that one before, youre definitely right



---
YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano
... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonClaw01
02/12/21 2:47:49 PM
#143:


Imagine being with such a crappy company that you get fired for getting a bunch of sad brained twitter users angry.I mean look what those bastards did to aunt jemima. Its a bloody miracle anyone listens to those stooges after that. Truly the insane running the asylum.

---
<('.'<) <(^.^)> (>'.')>
Splendiferous
... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead
02/12/21 2:51:12 PM
#144:


DragonClaw01 posted...
Imagine being with such a crappy company that you get fired for getting a bunch of sad brained twitter users angry.I mean look what those bastards did to aunt jemima. Its a bloody miracle anyone listens to those stooges after that. Truly the insane running the asylum.

No one forced her to go onto Twitter and make a bunch of controversial statements. Actions have consequences in life.

---
YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano
... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonClaw01
02/12/21 2:55:22 PM
#145:


Outside of her dumb Nazi comparisons, what she said was barely offensive. HR could've easily talked to her but nope fired.

---
<('.'<) <(^.^)> (>'.')>
Splendiferous
... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead
02/12/21 2:57:12 PM
#146:


DragonClaw01 posted...
Outside of her dumb Nazi comparisons, what she said was barely offensive. HR could've easily talked to her but nope fired.

If it offended a bunch of people then its obviously a controversial statement. Large companies dont like controversy. If you work for a large public facing company maybe dont go onto a public forum and express a bunch of controversial views.

---
YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano
... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34
02/12/21 2:58:52 PM
#147:


They'll just rehire her after the controversy dies down like they did James Gunn anyway.
---
Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms
... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonClaw01
02/12/21 3:18:53 PM
#148:


Mead posted...

Mead posted...
If it offended a bunch of people then its obviously a controversial statement. Large companies dont like controversy. If you work for a large public facing company maybe dont go onto a public forum and express a bunch of controversial views.
She said beep/bop/boop. I am more offended how crummy the joke is. She is celebrity, you got to expect a little bit of escentricity. Just be happy she isn't on bath salts, molesting children or in scientology or something. This is easily manageable, but people are lazy now a days and don't want to deal with anything.

---
<('.'<) <(^.^)> (>'.')>
Splendiferous
... Copied to Clipboard!
JigsawTDC
02/12/21 3:20:35 PM
#149:


I just read she got hired by Ben Shapiro for a movie lol
... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam
02/12/21 3:23:05 PM
#150:


DragonClaw01 posted...
She said beep/bop/boop. I am more offended how crummy the joke is. She is celebrity, you got to expect a little bit of escentricity. Just be happy she isn't on bath salts, molesting children or in scientology or something. This is easily manageable, but people are lazy now a days and don't want to deal with anything.

its their right to be lazy and not want to deal with anything. it was easier to fire her, and they did. because of her behavior. she's expendable.
... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List
Page List: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7