Board 8 > Board 8 Ranks: The Marvel Cinematic Universe (PHASE TWO!)

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Lightning Strikes posted...

How is GotG2 still in this thing?

Ive been wondering the same

Lightning Strikes posted...

How is GotG2 still in this thing?

more votes


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Definitely gonna be GotG2 next. I think every movie left in this is pretty great though! And as far as I can tell, my top eleven are the top eleven ranked films in total, but I think my top half is gonna be where I gain (relatively) a lot of ranks

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Gonna go against the grain and guess Spider-Man Far From Home is next

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Also Eddv having Iron Man at 23 is probably the biggest shock of his ranking to me. To me the humorand style in that one is nothing like the MCU formula. Most people I know who dislike the MCU tend to rank Iron Man as one or the best films too

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Lopen posted...

Gonna go against the grain and guess Spider-Man Far From Home is next

I dont really see it being that against the grain, Guardians probably is more likely to have a bunch of top five votes than Far From Home IMO

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Well I only say it as against the grain cause no one's predicted it. To me it's not that I expect many low rankings for Far From Home as much as wondering who would rank it that highly. I'm the biggest Mysterio fan on the board probably and spoilers it's not even in my top 10

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Iron Man out too soon imo. Such a fantastic movie and despite being the first MCU movie before they developed their style/formula its still like top 3-5 material. Easily my favorite 1st entry of the MCU trilogies.

Both Far From Home and GOTG2 should have been out a few spots ago (at least before Iron Man???), though I prefer GOTG2 of those

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Lopen posted...

I'm the biggest Mysterio fan on the board probably and spoilers it's not even in my top 10

Mysterio is one of the best Spider Man villains.

At least he is while not being portrayed laughably in 2 Far 2 Home: Electric Boogaloo

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9. Doctor Strange
10. Captain Marvel
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13. Ant-Man And The Wasp
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15. Ant-Man
16. Avengers: Age of Ultron
17. Captain America: The First Avenger
18. Thor
19. Iron Man
20. Thor: The Dark World
21. Iron Man 2
22. Iron Man 3
23. The Incredible Hulk

Based on that clue though, I'm losing one of my top 8 either way!

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It has to be GotG2.

Honestly seeing everyone assume Homecoming > FFH makes me sad.

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IM1 is probably the only movie that I think is really overrated, but I get the appeal I guess

I swear Kaelee and I are like in lockstep in these rankings, she and I have the same rankings and say a lot of the same stuff a lot

Homecoming has the better villain portrayal and the Iron Man/Spider-Man relationship. I like FFH a lot, but I feel like the highest high is the Berlin scene and maybe the stinger. Both of which are good, but we're getting to the top tier of MCU movies now.

Not sure if FFH or GOTG2 goes out next. GOTG2 has the higher high with Yondu's scenes, but is generally worse overall.

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I think FFH and GOTG2 are the next two out and it could be in either order since they're only separated by a single point. There isn't much separating those two from the next two above them either, but I feel relatively confident.

Do not speak ill of Far From Homes Mysterio. The bar scene is one of the MCUs best even if its obvious exposition!

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Mantis featuring the Guardians gonna crack top 10.

I think Keaton puts in the better performance, but they do way more with Mysterio as a character. You could switch Vulture out with any other villain and still get the same movie.

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BetrayedTangy posted...

I think Keaton puts in the better performance, but they do way more with Mysterio as a character. You could switch Vulture out with any other villain and still get the same movie.

I disagree with this, like in the car scene for example, I couldn't really imagine like Sandman or Doctor Octopus there, I feel like the tone would take on a whole different meaning.

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Snake5555555555 posted...

I disagree with this, like in the car scene for example, I couldn't really imagine like Sandman or Doctor Octopus there, I feel like the tone would take on a whole different meaning.

I mean yeah the setup would be a little different, but I feel like most of the intimidation there comes from it being Michael Keaton and not Vulture. Like I think Norman Osborn could've fit that scene very well. I also think it doesn't help that the real source of conflict in Homecoming is Peter himself.

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surprised people are guessing Far From Home given that it's easily the better film of the two Spidermans.

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Looks like us Outliers just gotta stick together haha

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Johnbobb posted...

surprised people are guessing Far From Home given that it's easily the better film of the two Spidermans.

I agree, but nothing would surprise me about the rest of these rankings the way theyve been going so far.

Wow... I completely forgot about my Iron Man write-up. Man, 2008 was a different time. It's been thirteen years, and I can still remember the "holy shit" feel to Sam Jackson showing up at the end.

Also, watching that video XIII.. it's so strange hearing Paul Bettany as Jarvis. We've had more years with him as Vision than as Jarvis now... whoa.

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Good job to GotG2 still in it. Surprised Far From Home hasn't dropped yet. I remembered enjoying it decently but uh... it wasn't amazing or anything.

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Zigzagoon posted...

Good job to GotG2 still in it. Surprised Far From Home hasn't dropped yet. I remembered enjoying it decently but uh... it wasn't amazing or anything.

Its probably dropping now because some people didnt participate.

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11. Spider-Man: Far From Home
Total Score: 313

Illuminatusbubu - 1
Johnbobb - 2
StifledSilence - 2
Inviso 3
TomNook - 3
BetrayedTangy - 4
ScepterOfLove 4
HanOfTheNekos 5
VengefulKaelee - 5
GavsEvans123 6
Raka Putra - 7
ZenOfThunder 8
Cybat - 9
MetalmindStats 9
CoolCly - 10
Maniac64 10
Sheep007 10
Lopen - 11
Mega Mana 11
Snake5555555555 - 11
Jesse Custer 12
Red13n - 12
Whiskey Nick - 12
MetalDK 14
NBIceman 15
Paratroopa - 15
XIII Rocks 15
Anagram 16
Mr Crispy - 16
Corrik7 17
Eddv - 18
PrinceKaro 20

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Illuminatusbubu
A perfect blend between a teen romantic comedy and a superhero movie. A chemistry and interaction between main characters are perfect. Unpredictable throughout. Show the aftermath of the war in the previous movie. A perfect conclusion for the saga.

Johnbobb
So, after 2 lackluster Amazing Spider-Man movies, and then a 3RD Spider-Man revival that everyone else went wild for but I personally thought was just ok, my hopes weren't crazy high. That is, until, I saw Jake Gyllenhaal cast as Mysterio, and my hype hit an all-time high. I love Jake Gyllenhaal (both the Gyllenhaals, really) and he just nails it here. His Mysterio is easily my favorite villain of the MCU (not that that's a high bar, because villains aren't exactly the MCU's specialty). As a character, he's bold and confident and darkly evil. As a supervillain, he's terrifying, with his surreal mind-bending sequences being some of my favorites in the entire franchise. Even the post-credit scene is probably the best of the franchise. This movie is a blast.

StifledSilence
This was the perfect send off to the first story arc of the MCU. Peter is established as the new Tony of sorts, but he resists this change as the audience does. Both Peter and the viewers want Tony back and are still having a hard time accepting the events of Endgame. Peter attempts to discard his responsibilities and be a normal kid. Sadly, try as he might, his duties and his enemies cant leave him alone. Add in an expert con artist villain, and generous doses of Happy and Nickuel L. Fury and we have a guaranteed good time.

Inviso
Far From Home had a LOT working against it, coming out as the very next film after the epic grandeur that was Avengers: Endgame. But honestly? Far From Home managed to do a DAMN good job standing up to the high standard set by its predecessor. Tom Holland has already established himself as the best of the three live-action, cinematic Spider-Men, but this movie really made him feel on top of his game. This is a kid dealing with the same kind of PTSD that Tony had to deal with throughout the Iron-Man trilogy, but with the added issues of teenaged hormones and the stress of trying to deal with a normal life. It all adds up to a unique feel to every scene. Additionally, Ive gotta say that I love Mysterio as a villain. Whether its Jake Gyllenhalls performance or the character himself, its just great to have a guy feel slighted by Iron Man (giving us one last This is your fault, Tony to cap off the Iron Man saga of the MCU) and put together a team of scientific geniuses, just to earn the respect he never got while Tony was still alive. Oh! And of course, the J.K. Simmons stinger at the end was one of the best credits scenes in the franchise thus far, so overall, the film was just great.

TomNook
There are a bunch of things this movie has going for it. It has Tom Holland as an excellent Peter Parker again of course, it has the fascinating idea of people dealing with a post-UNsnapped world, Peter dealing with the Tony Stark legacy being passed on, And it has one of the best Marvel villains. Everyone knows Mysterio is one of the most iconic Spider-Man villains, so seeing him introduced and developed was fun to see how it played out. And nobody is going to complain about Jon Favreau getting more screen time.

BetrayedTangy
To me Homecoming was such a mediocre film that I had some pretty negative expectations going in. Thankfully FFH managed to surprise me not only did it fix most of the prior movies flaws, but it improved on what it did well and you really dont get that often! The main thing that really makes me love this movie however is really just Mysterio. Not only does Jake Gyllenhal put in one hell of a performance, but I think he was the first on screen villain to actually give Peter psychological damage, while still tormenting him from beyond the grave. Not to mention all the crazy things they do with his powers. Overall its a really fun movie that I love rewatching.

ScepterOfLove
(No write-up.)

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HanOfTheNekos
I love Spider-Man. I have loved him as long as I can remember. So lets talk.

Being a post-Endgame movie, we got to see all the nonsense they have to deal with on account of the blip, or whatever they call it. This was fun, fascinating, and cool to see them deal with. Of interest - all of Spideys friends and family blipped with him.

MJ got more of a chance to shine in this movie, which was great. The stuff between Tony and Peter was heartwrenching just as well, for everything they meant to each other. I just feel connected to Peter in a way no other character earns.

What was the best part of this movie? Mysterio. Like, the action sequences with the fake elemental dudes were solid, but Mysterio, a villain as we ALL knew he would be, really sold it at first. They teased us with the multiverse stuff, and for a minute, I believed it. Then it all came out.

The SINGLE best moment, however, was the Mysterio sequence where he took Spidey on a trip. Im not sure you could improve on that. That is the single best scene in ANY MCU film, bar none. Write that one down. Its my favorite. This film is so high partially because of that alone.

JJJ reappearance at the end and Mysterio fucking it all up for Peter Im excited to see what happens next.

VengefulKaelee
Probably the most pure fun of any movie in the MCU, for me. After all the pomp and circumstance surrounding Infinity War and Endgame being the biggest movie crossover event of the ever, Far From Home managed to scale everything back in such a satisfying way. It's funny, it's engaging, and I think it's one that tends to get unfairly overlooked due to a combination of (completely understandable) Marvel fatigue that was setting in for most people around the time of its release, and its intentional scaling-back of the overall stakes of the franchise.

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GavsEvans123
The last film of the MCU to date serves as a breather from the climactic events of Infinity War and Endgame. Spider-Man needs a break just as much as the rest of us do, as hes going on a school trip. Naturally, this is still a superhero film, so he wont get to do too much relaxing.

Something this does well is develop several secondary characters from the previous film with more significant roles. The most important of these is MJ, who is STILL TOTALLY NOT MARY JANE, SERIOUSLY, WHY WOULD YOU EVEN THINK THAT? Peter now has a crush on her, and a major plot thread involves him planning to confess his feelings to her. This would have been far-fetched in the first film, when she mostly stood on the sidelines with some haughty remark along the lines of Everyones stupid but me, but its more believable now that she receives more focus, and with it, some much-needed character development. Betty joins the main cast and becomes Neds girlfriend, with the two forming a hilarious sickeningly sweet couple. Flash also gets character development, slightly toning down his antagonism towards Peter and portraying him as having a compulsive need to be the centre of attention due to emotional neglect. Finally, Mr Harringtons black comedy line from the first film about not losing a pupil on a school trip again is expanded to make him the subject of some very funny cringe comedy.

In some ways, Peter acts in an opposite way to how he does in the first film. Whereas there he wanted to be taken seriously and start foiling more serious crimes than he had been in order to prove himself, here hes more reluctant and would rather not interrupt his holiday. Luckily, Peter remains sympathetic despite this, thanks to his relationship with Mysterio. Speaking of Mysterio, is he the first time an MCU villain has been presented as a hero, but it turns out they really are a villain after all? Its fitting that this should be done with a villain who specialises in illusions and deception. The nightmare sequence is quite creative and screwy in how it has illusions within illusions, and would fit right in to one of Scarecrows levels in Batman: Arkham Asylum. Mysterio also provides a contrast to Vulture, who remained honourable and noble despite his villainy, whereas Mysterio pretends to be a hero, only to be ruthless and gleeful in harming innocents once his faade is broken.

Finally, we end on a cruel twist ending, even crueller than the one in Ant-Man and the Wasp. Im eager to see how Spidey can get out of this one! My only concern is one I shared with the Doctor Strange sequel hook, that this intriguing plot thread will be disregarded or resolved quickly to make room for the multiverse, especially since multiple characters from the older pre-MCU Spider-Man films are returning. Come to think of it, the MTV Spider-Man cartoon ended in a similar way, only there he really did commit the crime he was accused of, albeit he was tricked into it. Between that and the Electro episodes, that show could get pretty dark!

First, Captain Marvel in Endgame, now the SHIELD agent who tells Peter to take off his clothes I now want Peter getting flustered when older women address him in a way that seems like theyre hitting on him, even though they arent, to become a running joke. It was a little weird that Brad tried to discredit Peter among his classmates by taking a picture of him in a state of undress with an attractive woman. With MJ I understand, but not the rest of the class. Maybe Im out of touch and times have changed, but when I was that age, having sex meant you were cool, and having sex on a school trip would confer upon you the status of Absolute Legend (Not that Im aware of it ever happening on any school trips I went on, I hasten to add.)

As this is the last film to date, and my last write-up for this project, Id like to say thank you for letting me participate, and to everyone who read all these. I hope you enjoyed reading them and that I didnt come across as being completely clueless and having no idea what Im on about. I love you 3000!

Raka Putra
"I wanted to like this movie more than I actually did. I do agree with the common opinion that the fixation on Tony Stark is annoying and kinda holding back Peter from being his own character. Mysterio's powers are actually really cool but I just wish there were more of it. A lot more. (I also appreciate them showing Mysterio's backstage team).
Oh and MJ is actually likeable here and had probably the best romance subplot in recent MCU memory. Altogether, still quite fun and picturesque but it had the potential to be much more."

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ZenOfThunder
Spider-Man is in this. Mysterio is also in this and there's some really great callbacks to other MCU stuff. Great little cherry on top to end the Infinity Saga. I would definitely kiss Jake Gyllenhall if given the chance..

Cybat
Mysterio was always one of my favorite Spider-Man villains but I never expected to see him in a live-action movie like this. I was a little skeptical, but they knocked it out of the park in my opinion. This movie reaches this spot on the list almost entirely because of Jake Gyllenhaals performance and the absolutely spectacular illusion sequence. Watching that took me straight back to being a kid watching the cartoon, in the best possible way. Also, the passing the torch scene with Happy on the jet was very well done and heartfelt in a franchise with not a huge number of heartfelt moments. And finally the Skrull reveal in the stinger was a great surprise and really intriguing for what is to come in Phase 4.
I do take issue with some stuff about how the blip was handled, and also E.D.I.T.H. was a very silly plot device, but overall this movie just hit the spot for me. And come on, they brought back J.K. Simmons!

MetalmindStats
As far as iterative MCU sequels content to follow in the footsteps of their forebears where the getting is good go, Far From Home does a great job preserving Homecomings appeal. Its enough to swing it a notch above the average MCU movie and another few notches above the average blockbuster.

CoolCly
This movie is a lot of fun. Its got a lot of fun school trip elements, and the I really enjoy everything about the Peter / MJ relationship. Its great stuff.
Mysterio was awesome. Its unfortunate that it was obvious to all of us going in that he was going to turn out bad, but the way he draws Peter in is so slick, and its really triumphant when he reveals hes a bad guy after getting the glasses.
The technology for holograms is pretty cool, but I kinda felt like they over did it later on when it could seemingly do anything all the time and extent of destruction really went way too far, when you consider that this is all Tonys fault for making the system and Peters for giving up the glasses to Mysterio. I think that theres only so far you can stretch the damage heroes cause before they are no longer really being heroic when they step up to stop the bad guy
The impact of Endgame on the world isnt really explored too much here, but the fallout of Tony dying on Peter and Happy is really good, and I love the scene where Happy shows up with the jet when Peter asks for help and they talk.
The illusions Peter fights through when he goes to confront Mysterio is a god tier scene.
I called that Fury was not actually Fury when the trailers first came out. But I predicted that he was the Chameleon, so the skrulls were a fun twist. They werent actually malevolent like I expected.
Overall, this is a great movie. The issues Peter deals with resulting from Tonys death, and his relationship with MJ, are great. Mysterio is awesome and results in a lot of great action and challenges for Peter to overcome.

Maniac64
I am so glad that this Spider-man movie was able to continue the strong trend of the first. Mysterio was a risky choice for a villain (as was Vulture really) but they pulled it off so well. Ned continues to be an excellent side character for Peter, the characters continue to be strong. We got some standard Spidey drama without it weighing everything down. MJ figuring out his identity on her own was great. And once again the MCU takes a big chance at the end, with Mysterio getting a final victory by exposing Peter's identity. I'm really curious where that will lead.

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Sheep007
Far From Home is such a strange-feeling addition to the MCU, to me. Its post-Infinity War, so has to spend time explaining all that, but most of the characters are the same age. Some of the jokes are just off to me Peter almost killing his classmates, cool. I dunno, I dont really like the whole wacky misunderstanding thing, and Far From Home does it a couple times. The fight scenes are pretty clever and I absolutely love the illusion sequences, but something feels off. Maybe its that Mysterio goes from charming and likeable to a petty little bitch with no real depth, maybe its that the movie is just overall a bit less funny and tense than its predecessor, even though theres definitely enough twists. Dont get me wrong, its still fun, the action is decent and Tom Holland and Zendaya are both good actors and have chemistry, but its stuck at fun movie with some wit and twists for me. The end credits are both interesting, and I think Peters identity being revealed was something that interested me more than the events of the rest of the film.

Lopen
I friggin love Mysterio and this movie does him as well as I could have hoped for. The casting for the guy is fantastic and the fight scene where Spidey is hallucinating for like 2 minutes straight is just so good. My only real problem with the movie is it is too heavily relying on the continuity of the MCU-- like if you haven't seen Infinity War it spoils a lot of it and I don't think it really explains what happens in Infinity War well enough that it works as a stand alone film. This is the weight of the MCU showing itself and it's in a way that kinda turns me off the franchise a bit-- you've got movies like The Avengers that someone can just watch alone but it's ENHANCED by seeing the others, and then movies like this one where it's required viewing.

Mega Mana
First Scene That Comes to Mind: Night Monkey and the ferris wheel

Far From Home is so much fun. It's one big post-dust vacation breather, except the breather involves everytnhing almost going completely bad. There are so many fun twists and turns and reveals. While Mysterio is the obvious bad guy to anyone who's ever read a Spider-Man comic or watched a Spider-Man cartoon, Jake Gyllenhaal's protrayal as the fervent mentor hero for Spider-Man, giving him a new father figure to latch to after Uncle Ben and Tony Stark, is so earnest and good that the reveal at the restaurant with everything dropping out around him is so perfectly done. There are gripes that it's more Stark influencing things. Well. Yes. This is the movieverse. The Starks have been involved in things since World War II with Captain America. Ant-Man, Captain America, Spider-Man, and even Black Panther have major worldbuilding elements that involve either the Starks or major corporate weapons technology preservation (away from the Starks). That's a shared universe with a camera-ready billionaire playboy genius philanthropist. There's also the reveal to MJ of Spider-Man's identity which was well done and funny, the Nick Fury/Hill reveal which makes Mysterio work even better (because Fury would've so caught on from the outset and not been blindsided), and then that very final scene with a beautiful, exciting, horrific return.

Far From Home is a great ride. It's fun with a lot of really quality moments and great character beats. The Stark glasses stuff is meh, as well as the classmate hot for MJ, and the final showdown had a few too many moving parts, but everything else worked for me. I quite enjoyed the quiet storyline of Flash Thompson's lonely want for attention from his parents. The first fight against Mysterio was, in my opinion, more trippy and mindbending than anything in Doctor Strange. Happy Hogan was excellent in this movie, and I loved Favreau watching Holland work on a new suit. Like, there is so much world that was built that it pays small tributes too without going, 'Hey remember this? Hey remember?' And the school class trip just going off-the-rails from the outset was a lot of fun. I enjoy his teachers.

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Snake5555555555
Maybe its the receny bias talking, maybe its the awesome Mysterio illusion scene, but this is just a god damn awesome Spider-Man movie. The process of transforming Peter Parker into the universes next Iron Man is a contentious one, but even with a stupid glasses side-plot and shoehorning SHIELD stuff into Spidey this still feels like a Spider-Man film through and through. Every inch of Hollands performace is pitch-perfect Spidey: sense of responsibility, nerdy awkwardness juxtaposed with his under-the-suit abilities, his unsureness in the shadow of Stark. The character is compelling, and having Mysterio to hold up a mirror to Spideys darkest personality aspects really brings it all together in the end. Plus, this has one of the best cliff-hangers/end scenes in the whole MCU.

Jesse Custer
Far From Home felt like a significant upgrade from Homecoming. Peters developing relationship with MJ was handled really well, the movie had a perfect blend of humor, action, and drama, and Jake Gyllenhaal as Mysterio was one of the best villains in the MCU. The movie also had a timely message about the public being misled by optics, although I suspect everyone will come away from this movie feeling validated about their preexisting beliefs, no matter how detached from reality those beliefs might be. Finally, the movie ended with a fantastic cliffhanger that left me eager to see what happens next for Spider-Man in the MCU (for however long hes allowed to remain a part of it).

Red13n
Can I take a moment to say how dismayed I am with all the marbles they have put on Spider-Man in the MCU? With the precarious nature of the contract with Sony, this movie essentially took the keys to the kingdom from Tony Stark and handed them to Spider-Man. If the relationship with Sony ever leads to irreconcilable diferences, which it already almost did once, all the groundwork laid out in this movie could backfire spectacularly. As for this movie, we get the return of our most recurring MCU villain: random people spurned by Tony Stark. The movie is at its best when it does play up the conclusion of Tony's story, essentially seeing Peter take the reins with all of his gadgetry at the end. But it also has some really bad missteps, with the Spider-sense I guess not working for some reason as a plot point. This is completely glossed over, and then it magically works at the end. There's no reason given for this, its just shoehorned in poorly. Also oddly Spider-Man having a secret identity was unique in the MCU, and they decided to throw that away for some reason at the end. This is needlessly future-limiting. Hell the whole sequence at the end makes the movie a lot more messy for reasons I can't quite contemplate.

Whiskey Nick
(No write-up.)

MetalDK
Liked the Peter/MJ scenes, thought a lot of the movie was meh though. Gyllenhaal did well as Mysterio.

NBIceman
Wouldnt surprise me if Im at least close to being the low man on this one. Its weird - I definitely feel like I should like Far From Home more than I do. But theres something that just feels off about it. A lot of the dialogue is clunky. Some parts of the story seem overly contrived. It doesnt quite seem to have the emotion one would expect from a film thats chiefly concerned with moving past a goodbye to the MCUs first hero. Its a shame, because Gyllenhaal is awesome as Mysterio and I think his illusions are all done pretty well - hes one of the better one-off villains in the franchise. Hollands still great, too, and his chemistry with Zendaya makes for an actual well-done high school romance that feels suitably awkward and cute without being cringy. And I appreciate the easter eggs they throw in. But as a complete product, it just doesnt quite connect. I dont know. Could be that my investment with the MCU topped out at Endgame and Im just not completely ready to move on to the next saga yet.

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Paratroopa1
Uhhh... I wasn't able to rewatch this one because it's not on Disney+, so I only have my first viewing in theaters to go by, and even though it's the most recent MCU film I barely remember it! I remember enjoying it, because MCU Spider-Man is great. Uhhh... Mysterio was fun? I like all the post-Endgame references, it's fun that they're acknowledging the world's post-snap problems. Peter is sort of an idiot in this movie, the fact that Tony Stark gave him some kind of weapon that's capable of killing anyone in a moment's notice is really weird and kind of undermines his character arc, and the whole fake multiverse plot is sort of a weird way to pull the rug out from under the audience, so I found this movie kind of weird, but still, Spider-Man is great so this movie succeeds anyway. I don't remember this movie very well but I'm sure I'll probably enjoy it and be annoyed by the same things on my second watch.

XIII Rocks
I have the same two problems with both Spider-Man movies, even though Homecoming is better on the whole, so I'll save that for the Homecoming writeup (assuming Homecoming finishes higher, which I guess isn't guaranteed). So here I'll focus solely FFH-only stuff: The sequence where Mysterio screws with Spider-Man is fantastic, a feast of clever, screwy CGI and the ultimate realisation of Mysterio on film. Mysterio himself is in the upper tier of MCU villains, with Gyllenhaal clearly having a blast (FIRE! ALL! THE DRONES! NOOOW!). Happy and Fury's inclusion didn't add a whole lot to me apart from to add MCU connectivity, and to set up the post-credits scene. I'm also less of a fan of MJ in this movie - I get that she's becoming softer towards Peter, but she's hilariously edgy in the first movie and she loses some of that here. But it's still fun - good effects, good spider-powers, and the sequence where Spidey dodges the drones near the end is some of the best Spider-Man swinging in any of the movies.

Anagram
Its hilarious how we cant get away from Tony Stark even after hes dead. The guy just cannot stop creating supervillains, he created at least four on his own, and thats not counting the ones his father created. I hope his daughter creates a few, too.

Mr Crispy
Homecoming was a Spiderman film with Iron Man in it. Far From Home is an Iron Man film with Spiderman in it.

Another victim of the sequel losing a lot of what made the original charming by trying to expand the scope and raise the stakes. The whole point of Homecoming was to be a low level, friendly neighborhood Spiderman with a secret identity fighting lower level threats to contrast with the rest of the Avengers being jet setting celebrities saving the world. Far From Home has Peter travelling all over Europe trying to stop "an Avengers level threat". Instead of Peter trying to do the right thing despite it having a negative effect on his personal life, Far From Home is Peter trying to grow as a person trying to stop a villain/problem he's more directly responsible for causing.

Well, the callbacks to the first Iron Man like the "box of scraps" line and the suit design scene are still nice, and Mysterio twist works out better than the Mandarin. Though Beck probably should have been a little less unhinged or treated his team better. And I can't help but think that trying to use technology and holograms to fake big magical fights is less plausible than actual magic. Off the cuff or improvised scenes seem a bit impossible when you also show that it takes a big team years of planning to do the special effects.

The basic concept behind the plot also gets kind of shaky when you stop to think about it more. Tony built yet another drone army to help fight against Thanos, but didn't actually use it in either fight? Or he decided to build it after Thor killed Thanos and he was retired, or at the same time that he was busy helping build the time machine? And Tony planning for Peter to be his successor, when Peter was temporarily dead and Tony wasn't expecting to die. Beck was obsessed with becoming more famous than Tony, but didn't do anything while Tony was retired? Beck knew enough about Tony seeing Peter as a son and successor to create an elaborate ruse where he hides his true personality and pretends to be a father figure to Peter in hopes that he would willingly give up control of the drone army? No wonder they wanted to stick in Skrulls, so they could just wave away questions with "a Skrull did it".

The tag was legitimately great. Got me excited for the next film, and it buoyed up Far From Home in my ranking a bit. (The Secret Invasion tag was zzz and like I already said, felt like a way to wave away deeper scrutiny)

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Corrik7
This is where we start to suffer some and start to straddle the line of whether a movie was good or not. This movie is fine, but the plot for Mysterio was very weak and kind of a cop out. Marvel has this thing where they like to butcher their villains and this one is no different also. Sure the idea was novel, but in the end, it is just like... why? This movie the Tony Stark inventions on the suit tend to start to overshadow Spider-Man himself also. Definitely not the most welcome change.

Eddv
The much much worse spiderman movie

PrinceKaro
The second of the Nickelodeon Spider-Man movies has the kids sent on an extensive school trip to europe and holy hell just what kind of school is this is it built on top of a diamond mine or something.
After ruining the character of Spider-Man in the first movie, the sequel follows this up by ruining the character of Nick Fury by making him an imbecile who is so obsessed with trying to recruit Peter that he kidnaps a whole class of children and puts them all in mortal peril multiple times. A hundred foot tall multiversal fire giant that can consume the entire planet? Nah, that's not serious enough to bother Captain Marvel, lets get help from the teenager who can shoot silly string from his hands.
Yeah I know it is not 'really' Fury in the movie, but the post credits idiocy somehow only makes things worse and just puts an emphatic cap on a movie that seems written by internet trolls.
On the villain side this film introduces the iconic Mysterio character to the MCU, only here he uses swarms of drones to make his illusion seem real because that is not totally fucking stupid.
Mysterio works best as being used on a personal level, rather than doing this kind of godzilla shit. Indeed, the best parts of the movie are where he has to fight one-on-one with Peter.
Mysterio's master plan is so idiotic that it could be beaten by someone with a pair of infrared goggles. Nobody thinks of running any sort of scanning whatsoever on these monsters. Nobody questions the thousands of rounds of drone ammunition that are inevitably littered around the attack sites.
The heroes do next to nothing making them deserving of a victory, they really are only able to beat Mysterio thanks to a complete accident giving them insight into his subterfuge. Spider-Man has his spider sense conveniently disabled for most of the film for reasons not explained, and every character has their common sense disabled for all of it. Even Tony Stark is not safe from this in his grave, as they have him leave an advanced suite of murder drones in the hands of a highschooler because that sure is a good idea.
Just take a pass on this mediocre piece of MCU fanfiction and pretend phase 3 ended with Endgame.

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OUTLIERS:

Eddv - 99
PrinceKaro - 76
Johnbobb - 70
BetrayedTangy - 62
VengefulKaelee - 58
Jesse Custer - 53
Mr Crispy - 53
TomNook - 51
Lopen - 50
Paratroopa1 - 50
ScepterOfLove - 50
StifledSilence - 47
GavsEvans123 - 46
Snake5555555555 - 44
Illuminatusbubu - 43
MetalmindStats - 43
XIII Rocks - 42
Raka Putra - 41
Corrik7 - 40
HanOfTheNekos - 40
Inviso - 40
Anagram - 38
Cybat - 38
Maniac64 - 34
Whiskey Nick - 34
CoolCly - 31
Red13n - 30
Mega Mana - 29
MetalDK - 28
NBIceman - 28
Sheep007 - 24
ZenOfThunder 11

Eddv falls one point shy of being the first person to crack the three-digit mark (staving off such a dubious distinction just before we reach the top ten.) Meanwhile, Zen finally cracks 10, although he retains a commanding lead over the rest of the field still.

Spoiler for #10: The top ten features a single Phase 1 film, two Phase 2 films, and seven Phase 3 films, so it looks like were kicking things off by eliminating one of the Phase 3s.

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ok now THIS is probably GOTG vol. 2....
or Black Panther...

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Its weird that although FFH fell one spot above where I ranked it, I actually feel like it deserved better given some of the movies still in this.

This leaves us our top ten!

Marvel's The Avengers
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Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy
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Captain America: Civil War
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Thor: Ragnarok
Black Panther
Avengers: Infinity War
Avengers: Endgame

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Ok so going into the top 10

6. Iron Man
7.
8.
9. Captain America The First Avenger
10.
11.
12. Ant Man
13. Thor
14. Iron Man 2
15.
16. Spiderman Far From Home
17. Iron Man 3
18. Doctor Strange
19. Captain Marvel
20. Incredible Hulk
21. Avengers Age of Ultron
22. Ant Man and the Wasp
23. Thor: The Dark World

I'm surprised that I wasn't the first one with a number one to drop (and that it was Iron Man of all things.

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Ah yes, going into the top ten.

1. ???
2. ???
3. Spider-Man: Far From Home
4. ???
5. ???
6. ???
7. ???
8. ???
9. Doctor Strange
10. Ant-Man and the Wasp
11. Iron Man 3
12. Iron Man
13. Ant-Man
14. ???
15. Captain America: The First Avenger
16. ???
17. Thor: The Dark World
18. Iron Man 2
19. Thor
20. ???
21. Captain Marvel
22. Avengers: Age of Ultron
23. The Incredible Hulk

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1. ???
2. ???
3. ???
4. ???
5. Iron Man 3
6. ???
7. Iron Man
8. ???
9. ???
10. ???
11. Spider-Man: Far From Home
12. Captain America: The First Avenger
13. Doctor Strange
14. Iron Man 2
15. ???
16. Captain Marvel
17. Thor
18. Ant-Man and the Wasp
19. ???
20. Avengers: Age of Ultron
21. Ant-Man
22. The Incredible Hulk
23. Thor: The Dark World

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7. Spider-Man: Far From Home
8.
9. Doctor Strange
10. Captain Marvel
11.
12.
13. Ant-Man And The Wasp
14.
15. Ant-Man
16. Avengers: Age of Ultron
17. Captain America: The First Avenger
18. Thor
19. Iron Man
20. Thor: The Dark World
21. Iron Man 2
22. Iron Man 3
23. The Incredible Hulk

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It's gotta be Civil War next

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1. ?
2. ?
3. ?
4. Dr. Strange
5. Ant-Man
6. ?
7. Iron Man
8. ?
9. Iron Man 3
10. ?
11. Ant-Man and the Wasp
12. Spider-Man: Far From Home
13. Captain Marvel
14. ?
15. ?
16. ?
17. ?
18. Avengers: Age of Ultron
19. Captain America: The First Avenger
20. Thor: The Dark World
21. The Incredible Hulk
22. Thor
23. Iron Man 2

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9. Avengers 2: Age of Ultron
10. Captain America: The First Avenger
11. Iron Man
12.
13. Iron Man 3
14. Doctor Strange
15. Spider-Man: Far From Home
16. Ant-Man
17. Captain Marvel
18. Ant-Man and the Wasp
19.
20. Thor
21. Iron Man 2
22. Thor 2: The Dark World
23. The Incredible Hulk

Going into the top ten with all of my top 8 intact is pretty good, I guess! That #19 hanging around is gonna tank my outlier score, but I knew that when I submitted the ranking.

I could see the argument for quite a few films being the next to go, but at some point everybody questioning out loud why Guardians 2 is still hanging around has to result in an elimination so I suppose I'll keep guessing that.

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1.
2.
3.
4. Spider-Man: Far From Home
5. Ant-Man
6.
7. Dr. Strange
8.
9. Iron Man 2
10.
11. Captain America: The First Avenger
12.
13. Iron Man
14. Ant-Man and the Wasp
15.
16. The Incredible Hulk
17.
18. Avengers: Age of Ultron
19.
20. Captain Marvel
21. Thor: The Dark World
22. Thor
23. Iron Man 3

Yikes.

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6.Spider-Man: Far From Home
7.
8.Iron Man
9.
10.
11.Captain America: The First Avenger
12.Ant-Man and the Wasp
13.Ant-Man
14.Thor
15.Iron Man 3
16.The Incredible Hulk
17.
18.Doctor Strange
19.
20.Iron Man 2
21.Captain Marvel
22.Avengers: Age of Ultron
23.Thor: The Dark World

My top 5 remains intact, as do two of my hot takes. With Hulk and Doctor Strange there too, 16-19 is unintentionally the Hot Take Zone. Something else I noticed that I did unintentionally, Captain Marvel is number 21 on my list, and also the 21st MCU film.

I am very surprised that my ranking of FFH is not the highest one, wow. didn't realize there were people that loved it THAT much

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