Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 364: Absolute Proof (Citation Needed)

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Corrik7
02/14/21 12:52:48 AM
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red sox 777 posted...
This is correct. The Senate is the highest court of impeachment. There is no appeal from its decisions. The Supreme Court does not have the authority to overrule the Senate on impeachment.
Wrong.

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red sox 777
02/14/21 12:57:38 AM
#402:


Corrik7 posted...
Wrong.

Would be happy to entertain this argument if you have one.

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FootballCops
02/14/21 1:01:51 AM
#403:


Precedent is that the Supreme Court has ruled they do not have such authority.

When the Supreme Court was asked to weigh in on the question of whether the Senate had properly conducted an impeachment trial in the case of Judge Walter Nixon, it firmly rebuffed that effort. Chief Justice William Rehnquist observed, The parties do not offer evidence of a single word in the history of the Constitutional Convention or in contemporary commentary that even alludes to the possibility of judicial review in the context of the impeachment powers. The entirety of the impeachment power, the Supreme Court ruled, was a political question firmly entrusted into the hands of the House and the Senate in exercising their sole power in that process and the courts had nothing to do with it.

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Jakyl25
02/14/21 1:07:21 AM
#404:


FootballCops posted...
Precedent is that the Supreme Court has ruled they do not have such authority.



That leaves open the possibility that they could overturn precedent and decide they DO have that power though, right?

But that does seem to indicate that, until otherwise brought to the SCOTUS, the current status is that they do not have power to make that judgment
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FootballCops
02/14/21 1:09:22 AM
#405:


Jakyl25 posted...
That leaves open the possibility that they could overturn precedent and decide they DO have that power though, right?

But that does seem to indicate that, until otherwise brought to the SCOTUS, the current status is that they do not have power to make that judgment

Technically yes, though the fact that their ruling states that there is nothing there to even suggest they can, it's highly unlikely.

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Jakyl25
02/14/21 1:10:46 AM
#406:


FootballCops posted...


Technically yes, though the fact that their ruling states that there is nothing there to even suggest they can, it's highly unlikely.


Surely Trumps ace team of lawyers would have found a heretofore unconsidered argument
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red sox 777
02/14/21 1:11:03 AM
#407:


Jakyl25 posted...
That leaves open the possibility that they could overturn precedent and decide they DO have that power though, right?

But that does seem to indicate that, until otherwise brought to the SCOTUS, the current status is that they do not have power to make that judgment

In the way that SCOTUS could conceivably decide that all previous justices were very far off the mark and reinterpret the constitution to mean that actually the country is a dictatorship run by SCOTUS. Such an action would itself be a constitutional crisis.

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Jakyl25
02/14/21 1:13:06 AM
#408:


red sox 777 posted...


In the way that SCOTUS could conceivably decide that all previous justices were very far off the mark and reinterpret the constitution to mean that actually the country is a dictatorship run by SCOTUS. Such an action would itself be a constitutional crisis.


The fact that they technically can do that and theres no check on that power aside from packing the court is a real doozy
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StealThisSheen
02/14/21 1:16:03 AM
#409:


"There is an argument for you to overturn the impeachment."
"Did... Did you just wave at us?"
"The Jedi Mind Trick is working."

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red sox 777
02/14/21 1:23:15 AM
#410:


Jakyl25 posted...
The fact that they technically can do that and theres no check on that power aside from packing the court is a real doozy

They would just be ignored in that extreme case. That was how the framers expected things to work - and I think George Washington vetoed a bill because he personally thought it was unconstitutional, so it's clear constitutionality was not something the framers thought was supposed to be left solely to the courts. Every government official is responsible for upholding the constitution. SCOTUS has spent 200+ years establishing their reputation for reason and impartiality, but that reputation can be lost if they were to actually do things like declare themselves a dictatorship.

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/14/21 2:49:07 AM
#411:


Jakyl25 posted...
The fact that they technically can do that and theres no check on that power aside from packing the court is a real doozy

Red Sox is actually right about this. Judicial review is a power the Supreme Court gave itself, not in the Constitution, so the check is literally Congress or the Executive Branch deciding to exercise their own power and just ignore the court's ruling if they disagree.

We are free to start playing hardball any time! The problem is 200 years of goodwill towards the Court and ignoring the rule it literally made up would immediately expose how badly structured our government is.

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LinkMarioSamus
02/14/21 8:30:45 AM
#412:


What floors me about current politics is that so many Americans refuse to even get to know their own new President.

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LordoftheMorons
02/14/21 9:03:07 AM
#413:


TheRock1525 posted...
GOP senator censured for having a conscience.

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1360734842347003905?s=19
https://twitter.com/drrobertcollins/status/1360789994147901444?s=21

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ChaosTonyV4
02/14/21 9:26:11 PM
#414:


https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1361118478778986498?s=21

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FFDragon
02/14/21 9:46:58 PM
#415:


Not sure if meta or not

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Not_an_Owl
02/14/21 9:52:33 PM
#416:


In lighter news, the insurrectionists are eating their own in a fit of paranoia:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-informant-panic-is-ruining-friendships-all-over-the-far-right-proud-boys-and-america-firsters

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UshiromiyaEva
02/14/21 9:57:56 PM
#417:


Another meme played on the menacing Proud Boys motto Fuck Around and Find Out,

Really could have gotten by not knowing this was a proud boys slogan.

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PerfectChaosZ
02/14/21 10:00:21 PM
#418:


I had it as my picture on Facebook till someone told me <<
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UshiromiyaEva
02/14/21 10:04:09 PM
#419:


I've used it on multiple occasions.

Frustration.

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Mr Lasastryke
02/14/21 10:07:15 PM
#420:


Jakyl25 posted...
They proved perjury in the Clinton impeachment and still couldnt convict

why not?


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Inviso
02/14/21 10:08:28 PM
#421:


Did they prove perjury? I thought Bill Clinton worded his answers specifically to be truthful, while masking reality?

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ChaosTonyV4
02/14/21 10:14:37 PM
#422:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Another meme played on the menacing Proud Boys motto Fuck Around and Find Out,

Really could have gotten by not knowing this was a proud boys slogan.

Its not, so youre both good.

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UshiromiyaEva
02/14/21 10:19:26 PM
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red sox 777
02/14/21 10:33:35 PM
#424:


I'm siding with Bill Clinton on this. Even if he did commit perjury, I don't think that is an impeachable offense unless the perjury had to do with his public duties. If he committed perjury about his private affairs, that doesn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense in my eyes.

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Corrik7
02/14/21 10:40:12 PM
#425:


red sox 777 posted...
I'm siding with Bill Clinton on this. Even if he did commit perjury, I don't think that is an impeachable offense unless the perjury had to do with his public duties. If he committed perjury about his private affairs, that doesn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense in my eyes.
The problem moreso for removal would be the obstruction of justice.

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ChaosTonyV4
02/14/21 10:55:37 PM
#426:


https://twitter.com/benmekler/status/1361077564458983426?s=21

Is this edited? Apparently the character is called Granny Goodness, and she looks just like her lol

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/15/21 2:32:18 AM
#427:


granny goodness is real and kicks ass and yes, does just look like an old white lady

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Seanchan
02/15/21 8:20:48 AM
#428:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
https://youtu.be/ECsV7kwY3jY

Ahhh, the simpler times...

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Maniac64
02/15/21 9:21:04 AM
#429:


Conservatives on my Facebook are posting about how Gina being fired by Disney proves her statement was right.

I just dont understand how they think getting fired is the same as getting beaten in the streets by your neighbors.

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ChaosTonyV4
02/15/21 9:26:31 AM
#430:


https://twitter.com/americanidol/status/1361187986197663747?s=21

Incredible.

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/15/21 9:54:37 AM
#431:


https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1361318365638328322?s=19

Webster's dictionary defines a city as "a place with stuff in it"

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LinkMarioSamus
02/15/21 10:03:23 AM
#432:


Maniac64 posted...
Conservatives on my Facebook are posting about how Gina being fired by Disney proves her statement was right.

I just dont understand how they think getting fired is the same as getting beaten in the streets by your neighbors.

Not to mention Gina wasn't fired and her contract was merely not renewed. And it wasn't because of her politics, it was because of her rash attitude.

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fuming
02/15/21 6:04:54 PM
#433:


Not_an_Owl posted...
In lighter news, the insurrectionists are eating their own in a fit of paranoia:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-informant-panic-is-ruining-friendships-all-over-the-far-right-proud-boys-and-america-firsters

I don't really think this is light! Federal informants infiltration of organizations is a huge problem on the left as well as the right. They try to stoke interpersonal conflict within the groups whether they want to do good or bad things, and often actively try to push groups towards violence, not away from it. There was actually cases in the UK where undercover informants even married and had kids with activists before completely disappearing from their life.
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ChaosTonyV4
02/15/21 7:29:28 PM
#434:


https://twitter.com/francissuarez/status/1360218675761004550?s=21

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UshiromiyaEva
02/16/21 1:08:22 AM
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ChaosTonyV4
02/16/21 11:08:52 AM
#436:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1361489462396649472?s=19

lol

<_< If they dont get these checks out soon, hell probably win

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Xeybozn
02/16/21 11:12:37 AM
#437:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
<_< If they dont get these checks out soon, hell probably win

If they get the checks out soon, people won't remember them by Election Day 2022. Just to be safe, no checks should go out until October of next year.
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UshiromiyaEva
02/16/21 11:16:52 AM
#438:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
<_< If they dont get these checks out soon, hell probably win

Stacey Abrams will be on the ticket in 2022.

Its not happening.

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Jakyl25
02/16/21 11:38:56 AM
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ChaosTonyV4
02/16/21 12:37:07 PM
#441:


Xeybozn posted...
If they get the checks out soon, people won't remember them by Election Day 2022. Just to be safe, no checks should go out until October of next year.

UshiromiyaEva posted...
Stacey Abrams will be on the ticket in 2022.

Its not happening.

I dunno guys, when your major campaign message is well give you $2000 immediately, I think people are going to be sour if you uh, dont do that?

Before you get stupid LtM, Warnock is, from a political position perspective, one of the best Senators we have, so I want him to stay in office. His party needs to help him and make him not a liar here.

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htaeD
02/16/21 1:22:24 PM
#442:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/dancrenshawtx/status/1303364789603889154?s=21

Whoops


I dont get it
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Sorozone
02/16/21 1:25:46 PM
#443:


Crenshaw is in Texas. Texas is currently experiencing a power grid crisis.

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Reg
02/16/21 1:26:22 PM
#444:


Sorozone posted...
Crenshaw is in Texas. Texas is currently experiencing a power grid crisis.
Yup.

Source: Literally from Texas
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Grand Kirby
02/16/21 1:28:25 PM
#445:


htaeD posted...
I dont get it
https://twitter.com/blkahn/status/1361682089310052354

There's a bit of schadenfreude to this, which I'm not a fan of since people are suffering, but it really points out the hypocrisy of these politicians. And it doesn't help that they really wanted to blame these problems on renewable energy as a political gambit when that's not a big factor at all.

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ChaosTonyV4
02/16/21 2:13:53 PM
#446:


https://twitter.com/lukeisamazing/status/1361382402199855104?s=21

Just found out about this and its blowing my fucking mind.

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red sox 777
02/16/21 2:18:13 PM
#447:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://twitter.com/lukeisamazing/status/1361382402199855104?s=21

Just found out about this and its blowing my fucking mind.

This actually explains everything. Notice that Chuck Schumer's imaginary advisors are middle class - NOT POOR. If we wanted a government that governed solely for the middle class, I imagine we'd end up with something pretty close to the center left.

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UshiromiyaEva
02/16/21 2:19:17 PM
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Peace___Frog
02/16/21 2:35:00 PM
#449:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1361700960159100934?s=19

Gross.

Is it?
The prosecutor, Joan Illuzzi-Orbon, said Ms. Cooper had participated in five therapy sessions that focused on how racial identities shape peoples lives. Her therapist had reported that the sessions were a moving experience and that Ms. Cooper learned a lot, Ms. Illuzzi-Orbon said.

Ms. Cooper had been offered the program, part of an alternative solution that falls under the rubric of restorative justice, partially based on her lack of criminal background, Ms. Illuzzi-Orbon said. Restorative justice, an alternative to traditional prosecution, looks at the harm done and implements a process for reconciliation among the parties involved, including the offender, the victim and the community.

If this is at all sincere, then this sounds like a positive outcome.

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HashtagSEP
02/16/21 2:47:07 PM
#450:


Peace___Frog posted...
If this is at all sincere

Narrator: It wasn't.

Seriously, if it is, fantastic, but it doesn't seem likely that five sessions would be enough to radically change her beliefs.

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UshiromiyaEva
02/16/21 2:48:37 PM
#451:


Yes, because it's bullshit.

Cooper wasn't unaware of racial injustice and in need of teaching up on it, she was HYPER aware of it to the point where she efficiently WEAPONIZED it. It's a sham.

It's like sending an active shooter to a gun safety course.

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