Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 364: Absolute Proof (Citation Needed)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kir7gyjsIoQ

Works every time (if you're white)

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Let's give racism the death penalty because people can never get over it obviously

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Let's give robbery the death penalty because people can never get over it obviously

But no, she wasn't arrested for being racist, she was arrested for a crime that involved racism.

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masterplum posted...

Let's give racism the death penalty because people can never get over it obviously

I don't think anybody's saying that

But this is a special case where it's not that she wasn't aware her actions were racist or anything. She was keenly aware, and keenly aware of the struggles people go through because of racism, and then chose to weaponize that against somebody.

It doesn't feel like these awareness sessions are going to do much for somebody like her because it's teaching her what she already clearly knew.

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She already lost her job (rightfully), and became a social pariah (rightfully), do we need to put her in prison too?

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Yes.

Prison is well known for healing racial divides, after all.
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Not really.

Im all for punishing awful people who do awful things, but leave prison for people who are an imminent threats to others.

This stupid racist women is never going to hurt anyone again.

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I think I'm in favor of community service for this one.

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Yeah, community service would be fine.

The problem is there was literally no punishment.

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HashtagSEP posted...

Yeah, community service would be fine.

The problem is there was literally no punishment.

Right? People who get in prison also lose their jobs and become social pariahs even more- it's enforced by federal law that they have shittier lives after. She wanted this dude to be scared for his life or die, basically threatening to kill him? I think people usually get punished for that.

Peace___Frog posted...

The prosecutor, Joan Illuzzi-Orbon, said Ms. Cooper had participated in five therapy sessions that focused on how racial identities shape peoples lives. Her therapist had reported that the sessions were a moving experience and that Ms. Cooper learned a lot, Ms. Illuzzi-Orbon said.

Ms. Cooper had been offered the program, part of an alternative solution that falls under the rubric of restorative justice, partially based on her lack of criminal background, Ms. Illuzzi-Orbon said. Restorative justice, an alternative to traditional prosecution, looks at the harm done and implements a process for reconciliation among the parties involved, including the offender, the victim and the community.

The victim himself said he thinks society has punished her enough.

Theres no need to continue, this is the way it should be.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The victim himself said he thinks society has punished her enough.

As a black man he knows that said "society" is going to flip on him as soon as they start thinking he's "taking it too far".

And he's not wrong.

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I had no idea you were such close personal friends with the guy.
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We get smoothies on Thursdays.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

This stupid racist women is never going to hurt anyone again.

Big-ass citation needed for this one

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KamikazePotato posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

This stupid racist women is never going to hurt anyone again.

Big-ass citation needed for this one

It's an odd claim to assert for sure, but it's not like prison is guaranteed to make her less likely to hurt someone either.
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Because the US has such a great track record of letting people off the hook if the victim says not to do anything to them.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

As a black man he knows that said "society" is going to flip on him as soon as they start thinking he's "taking it too far".

And he's not wrong.

Why are you speaking over him when his explanation is right there in the article you posted?

He says the outrage and attention should be focused on victims of the justice system like those disenfranchised by DC not having statehood.

Yes, the justice system is fucking broken. We dont fix it by using it against other people for no positive benefit.

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You aren't fixing it as long as those not impacted dont feel threatened by it either.

Restorative justice is far better than punitive, and in particular the american prison system is a cruelty very few within it actually deserve. Whether the methods used on her were effective is one thing, but I agree with the courts she didn't need punitive justice, and I think it is really cynical to assume the classes she took did nothing for her. Ignorance is real, and empathy is difficult for many people without exposure and context.

"We did not send him there to vote his conscience. We did not send him there to 'do the right thing' or whatever"

https://twitter.com/jjabbott/status/1361479188994273281

State Republican Parties are having a real one.

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Mitch is a dour, sullen, and unsmiling political hack, and if Republican Senators are going to stay with him, they will not win again, Trump said in the statement released by his PAC.

"McConnell's dedication to business as usual, status quo policies, together with his lack of political insight, wisdom, skill, and personality, has rapidly driven him from Majority Leader to Minority Leader, and it will only get worse."

"McConnell did nothing, and will never do what needs to be done in order to secure a fair and just electoral system into the future. He doesn't have what it takes, never did, and never will."

"He is destroying the Republican side of the Senate, and in so doing, seriously hurting our Country.

GET EM DONNY
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I dont think I want to see the Trumpian successor to Mitch

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i'd die laughing if this led to mcconnell losing his leadership position to an internal challenge but i'm kinda afraid of who would take the spot instead

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Reports say Trump had to be talked down from including a dig at Mitch for having more chins than brains

Im serious
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xp1337 posted...

i'd die laughing if this led to mcconnell losing his leadership position to an internal challenge but i'm kinda afraid of who would take the spot instead

I'm not, considering Trumpers are horribly incompetent and McConnell is literally Mephistopheles.

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It only takes one semi-competent one to make things a much bigger problem. Mitch will at least eventually be gone one way or another without leaving behind a cult.
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No, I mean, I'm not sure who the "heir apparent" would be. I'm sure they'd be less effective than McConnell I'm just trying to imagine who it would be. I imagine Hawley and Cruz are too despised among their colleagues to get the nod. idk Grassley? Graham?

I mean, this is all hypothetical, no way are there the votes in the Senate GOP to kick McConnell from Minority Leader.

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Mitch did significantly more to fuck over the American people than Trump.

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Crazy thought: Is there any rule saying the Senate party leaders have to be senators themselves? Because seeing McConnell get forced out out of leadership with Trump as his replacement would be something.
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Only if you attribute everything Trump ever did to Mitch's enablement. Which is fair to do, mind you, but it's a big qualifier.
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kevwaffles posted...

It only takes one semi-competent one to make things a much bigger problem. Mitch will at least eventually be gone one way or another without leaving behind a cult.

Mitch is one of the reasons there IS a Trump cult. You cant say he didnt leave one behind. Hes one of the creators of this Frankenstein monster
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The single-most harmful person to American society in history is either Ronald Reagen or Rupert Murdoch

Take your pick

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That cult support existed before Trump got elected and Mitch did very little to enable before that point.
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kevwaffles posted...

That cult support existed before Trump got elected and Mitch did very little to enable before that point.

How do you figure? He has lead the charge of party over country more than any other politician
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TheRock1525 posted...

Mitch did significantly more to fuck over the American people than Trump.

Given covid I'm pretty sure this isn't true (which is not to defend Mitch at all; I'm all on board with the conclusion that he's extremely bad, but not deaiing with a pandemic that's killed almost 500k Americans is hard to top)

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Xeybozn posted...

Crazy thought: Is there any rule saying the Senate party leaders have to be senators themselves? Because seeing McConnell get forced out out of leadership with Trump as his replacement would be something.

Majority/Minority Leaders are inventions of the Senate themselves. Unlike Speaker, the only constitutionally created positions within the Senate are President of the Senate (the VP) and President pro tempore.

Consequently, while I'm not sure of the exact Senate rules here, the Senate could easily make it a rule if they wished if no such rule were explicitly written. Regardless, I suspect it is the case they must be a serving Senator.

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Jakyl25 posted...

kevwaffles posted...

That cult support existed before Trump got elected and Mitch did very little to enable before that point.

How do you figure? He has lead the charge of party over country more than any other politician

Party, not personality. Enabling Trump only became beneficial to McConnell's world view once Trump was the core of the party.
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KamikazePotato posted...

The single-most harmful person to American society in history is either Ronald Reagen or Rupert Murdoch

Take your pick

Gingrich deserves a mention here because he's often overlooked for being one of, if not the, primary driver in Congress becoming as hyper-polarized as it now is.

Seriously, there's a story there though I'm not sure I'm in the mood to expound on it right now. Though he was one of the trailblazers in shattering the "norms" for political gain. They ltierally changed the CSPAN rules because of him back in the... 80s, I think it was? Don't want to check exactly when.

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kevwaffles posted...

Party, not personality. Enabling Trump only became beneficial to McConnell's world view once Trump was the core of the party.

Exactly, which means Mitch helped create this monster and is culpable for it.

When you create a group more loyal to their brand than any principles, you invite cultish zealotry when a demagogue comes along to hijack the brand.
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Xeybozn posted...

Crazy thought: Is there any rule saying the Senate party leaders have to be senators themselves? Because seeing McConnell get forced out out of leadership with Trump as his replacement would be something.

I'm not sure, but I am pretty sure that the Speaker of the House does not have to be a member. If the Republicans take back the House in 2022, they can make Trump speaker.

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xp1337 posted...

Gingrich deserves a mention here because he's often overlooked for being one of, if not the, primary driver in Congress becoming as hyper-polarized as it now is.

Seriously, there's a story there though I'm not sure I'm in the mood to expound on it right now. Though he was one of the trailblazers in shattering the "norms" for political gain. They literally changed the CSPAN rules because of him back in the... 80s, I think it was? Don't want to check exactly when.

I'm pretty sure there's a This American Life episode about him that covers some of what you're talking about.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

As a black man he knows that said "society" is going to flip on him as soon as they start thinking he's "taking it too far".

And he's not wrong.

Love when ushi tells us how the person actually thinks when they talk. The minority can't mean what they say and actually mean what I as a White person say they mean. Lmfao

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red sox 777 posted...

I'm not sure, but I am pretty sure that the Speaker of the House does not have to be a member. If the Republicans take back the House in 2022, they can make Trump speaker.

Hypothetically, how would the House function if the Speaker just rarely showed up?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Hypothetically, how would the House function if the Speaker just rarely showed up?

The same way it does now. The Speaker hardly ever actually presides over the House - usually, only on ceremonial occasions like SOTU, the counting of the electoral votes, etc.

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https://twitter.com/mike10010100/status/1361814507727765504?s=19

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don't a part of the problem guys

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"Parish"

These people are awful

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