Board 8 > What 2020 games will make Game of the Decade 3

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...If it happens and were not all dead, obviously.

So assuming a 128 game contest theres an average of 12 games per year, so probably it would be between 10 and 14 entrants from 2020.

Im thinking:

Animal Crossing: New Horizons
Final Fantasy VII Remake
Hades
Ghost of Tsushima
The Last of Us Part II
Doom Eternal
Yakuza: Like a Dragon
13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim
Fall Guys: Ultimate Knockout
Ori and the Will of the Wisps

And of course, courting controversy:

Persona 5 Royal

Whoever gets it right gets to lord their big brain over the rest of us in 10 years, when were all old.

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I'm gonna say no on 13 Sentinels on Fall Guys, the rest seem like they have decent odds. Animal Crossing could possibly be supplanted by a new version by then but who knows

Also I wouldn't be surprised if 2020 ends up not having that many entrants at all. It was a weak year and it'll be 10 years in the past by the time we get to 2030

The Last of Us Part II
Half-Life: Alyx
Doom Eternal
Final Fantasy VII Remake
Ghost of Tsushima
Hades
Crusader Kings III
Fall Guys: Ultimate Knockout
Cyberpunk 2077 (since it may be massively improved and have a better reputation by then)
Call of Duty: Warzone
Animal Crossing: New Horizons (unless a new entry makes it irrelevant)

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Oh yeah Cyberpunk will probably recoup its reputation and get in

Yeah those were the two punts, my reasoning is this:

• 13 Sentinels absolutely is going to be one of those slow burner word of mouth games, its already more talked about than it was at release, so I think itll become a cult classic as long as it doesnt get a sequel that breaks out a la Nier.
• Fall Guys will probably be wrong, but I figured if it has legs, it will get in in the same way Fortnite or Minecraft did.

I will say, 2020 is weak at the top level but a lot of great games came out that I think time will be kind to. It would be cool if one game to make it is something we never thought of or maybe even heard of.

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All of them

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Hades is a lock.

If Bastion made it in, Hades sure as hell will.

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I suppose the main debate about Warzone is if it actually counts as a game! Also I forgot about Half-Life Alyx

Heres s thought as a smaller passion entrant: Kentucky Route Zero

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How many 2010 games were in GotD2? I don't feel like it was very many.

Most of these games will just be forgotten by the time 2030 rolls around unless they're considered classics.

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There were 13 2010 games.

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Some were either relatively minor (VVVVVV, Heavy Rain) or of their era (Black Ops, Halo Reach) as well.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

I suppose the main debate about Warzone is if it actually counts as a game! Also I forgot about Half-Life Alyx

GF doesn't care nearly as much about CoD now as it did 10 years ago. No way Warzone gets in.

HLA will only get in if it gets ported to PSVR, which I'm skeptical about.

Hades and 13 Sentinels should get in I think. Hades will be pretty okay once it gets ported to PS4/5, definitely stronger than Bastion. 13 Sentinels will do alright as a low ranker with a lot of passion nominations if it never gets ported, but I think it will get ported eventually (all the recent Vanillaware games have gotten at least one port) and could be okay after that.
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BetrayedTangy posted...

There were 13 2010 games.

Huh, that was more than I thought. For some reason, I thought it was only like 6 or 7.

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Its really hard to say obviously because some of these could get overshadowed by other entries in the series released over the next ten years.

Id guess Fall Guys definitely wont make it though... that game was a fun fad, but no one is going to be thinking about it ten years from now.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

Its really hard to say obviously because some of these could get overshadowed by other entries in the series released over the next ten years.

Id guess Fall Guys definitely wont make it though... that game was a fun fad, but no one is going to be thinking about it ten years from now.

And even if it does have any staying power, it'll be obsoleted by sequels by the time 2030 rolls around.

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Among Us got robbed by getting released too soon

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Considering that the Yakuza series is gonna continue with Ichiban for a while, and it has yearly releases, Yakuza would probably be repped by whatever the most recent RPG would be, admittedly. Unless the series suddenly decides "no, now I'm going to start being bad".

I also think Cyberpunk ain't gonna bounce back; No Man's Sky continues to do a total 180 from its initial reception and gets, like, no buzz here, despite a similar level of exposure (if not the pedigree). Doom'll definitely see a sequel, so time will tell if Eternal is "the last good one" or not, but I'll bank on the eventual follow-up overshadowing it. I also think that Ghosts of Tsushima doesn't have legs and will fade in the memory of nine more years of high quality AAA titles, in the same way that inFamous 2 didn't make the field.

So I'd guess:

Final Fantasy VII Remake
Hades
Animal Crossing: New Horizons
The Last Of Us Part II
13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim
Ori and the Will of the Wisps
Genshin Impact
Persona 5 Royal (if it's eligible)

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also think Cyberpunk ain't gonna bounce back; No Man's Sky continues to do a total 180 from its initial reception and gets, like, no buzz here, despite a similar level of exposure (if not the pedigree).

NMS doesnt have the insane sales Cyberpunk does though. Even in its current broken state, Cyberpunk has a ton of fans. Im not even sure it has to do much bouncing back to get into this hypothetical GotD contest.
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Cyberpunk will easily make a contest field of 128 games from 2020-2029 even in its current state. You guys talk as if this was getting inside a Best Game Ever Contest. It doesn't take much or to be worth much to get into a Game of the Decade contest.

GotD2 had a much much weaker field than GotD1 so I suspect GotD3 will be even weaker.

If games like Dying Light, Call of Duty: Black Ops and 6000 indie games can make the field, anything can make a GotD field. Cyberpunk is not a question.

Fall Guys won't make it to 2030, it barely made it through 2020. I don't think it will even be remembered as a fad game 10 years from now (except for those random "post forgotten fad games from ten years ago" topics).

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Literally every indie and their mother made it to Game of the Decade 2. I think Fall Guys has a shot.

Thats not true though. The indie games that made GOTD2 were either the big names or extremely well received. If anything thats sn argument against Cyberpunk - it will be left behind for frankly, better games.

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I'm sure Persona 5 Royal will be in it considering Persona 4 Golden made the last one

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Cyberpunk could miss it by reviews considering how much that matters lol.

It's a fun topic, because it's so hard to call at this point. No one would have guessed Skyward Sword would miss the field a decade a go. Even the big releases like TLoU2 might have had a third next generation game released later that made us forget in 10 years that this one was in fact released this decade.

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ctesjbuvf posted...

Cyberpunk could miss it by reviews considering how much that matters lol.

It's a fun topic, because it's so hard to call at this point. No one would have guessed Skyward Sword would miss the field a decade a go. Even the big releases like TLoU2 might have had a third next generation game released later that made us forget in 10 years that this one was in fact released this decade.

There was obviously a 2 games per series cap in GotD2 that nobody asked for. Skyward Sword, Mario 3D World, Dark Souls II, Final Fantasy XIII missed the cut because of that. While those games are clearly in the lower tier of their respective series, they would have been in way more entertaining matchups than the Obra Dinns and the Edith Finches of the bracket.

MZero posted...

I'm sure Persona 5 Royal will be in it considering Persona 4 Golden made the last one

That is all up to Allen if he is still running things around in 2030. It was asinine to even include Persona 4 Golden and Pokemon HGSS as you saw how much damage those two did as clear proxies of the original in their respective bracket. Persona 5 Royal if included would do the same.

Axl_Rose_85 posted...

There was obviously a 2 games per series cap in GotD2 that nobody asked for. Skyward Sword, Mario 3D World, Dark Souls II, Final Fantasy XIII missed the cut because of that. While those games are clearly in the lower tier of their respective series, they would have been in way more entertaining matchups than the Obra Dinns and the Edith Finches of the bracket.

I agree, but we also saw no Uncharted 3, no God of War III and maybe others I'm missing, and those franchises only had one game in the bracket. Perhaps Allen also thought they were better represented in their newer games, but it might also just because those felt like a games from the previous decade, so less people thought of nominating them. Something that was brand new this year could end in a similar situation in a decade!

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Man you people can't get over mediocre Nintendo games missing that contest

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I think people very clearly forgot Uncharted 3 and GoWIII was from the last decade as you mentioned. Another notable game that missed the bracket is Far Cry 3. When you have games like Dying Light and Subnautica, these are real head scratchers. I wish we could see the actual nomination tally from GotD2 to see why such games were excluded because it is unfathomable to imagine these not getting more noms than the two games I mentioned and many many more that made the field.

Yeah, it's hard to imagine now, but some of the games from 2020 could easily be forgotten in the same way then. In particular late PS4 or Xbox One games.

Leonhart4 posted...

Man you people can't get over mediocre Nintendo games missing that contest

Now now, none of those two mentioned are mediocre. 3D World is really good and Skyward Sword is really bad.

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I'm talking mediocrity in terms of contest strength!

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Plenty of these games could be entirely forgotten (13Sen, Fall Guys), or overshadowed by sequels. Of those you listed, Animal Crossing, Tsushima, TLOU, Doom, Yakuza and Ori could be surpassed by future entries in that world.

Even FF7R could be interesting depending on how that goes- if future entries are better it could be forgotten, if the next ones are terrible people could either look fondly upon it or disregard the whole series (like people do with the Star Wars sequels- 7 was received well at the time but now many write off the whole trilogy), and if no other entry ever comes it'll probably be fine. Honestly I find it difficult to even imagine that far ahead anyway, seems impossibly far away.

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Well, the bottom of the field in GotD2 was definitely a good bit below mediocre in terms of contest strength, but I believe I've discussed that with you enough by now that we can just agree to disagree about if they'd have made the contest better or not!

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Leonhart4 posted...

I'm talking mediocrity in terms of contest strength!

I'm pretty sure Skyward Sword and 3D World will decimate half the field in GotD2 which quite frankly speaks more about the bracket than their strength. Regardless it would have been way more interesting to see something like FFXV vs Skyward Sword or 3D World vs Bayonetta 2 than literally everything with so much as a slight name recognition breaking 80% in Round 1.

It would've made like three matches more interesting because you probably aren't conveniently getting those matchups. It wouldn't have dramatically improved the field because they'd still be blowing out the fodder and folding to anything people actually like.

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Axl_Rose_85 posted...

I'm pretty sure Skyward Sword and 3D World will decimate half the field in GotD2 which quite frankly speaks more about the bracket than their strength. Regardless it would have been way more interesting to see something like FFXV vs Skyward Sword or 3D World vs Bayonetta 2 than literally everything with so much as a slight name recognition breaking 80% in Round 1.

I definitely do not think this would happen as neither of those hypotheticals would be close, or is it what happened. Compare the two Dragon Age entrants between GOTD1 and GOTD2 and how they did in round 1!

3D World definitely should have been in it, and Far Cry 3 is an interesting call. Theres solid arguments for Uncharted 3 and Skyward Sword, but also arguments against. I think Id rather better bracket placement for Uncharted 4, the vastly better game, than Uncharted 3 being in it! And we all knew GoW3 would not make it the second the 2018 game came out. The way I see it 3D World is THE snub and the rest are hm, theres an argument for it.

If were actually relitigating the GOTD2 I would replace these games:

Trails in the Sky SC
The Talos Pinciple
Ys VIII
Slay the Spire
Dying Light
Destiny
Heavy Rain
Crypt of the NecroDancer

With these games:

Super Mario 3D World
Skyward Sword
Uncharted 3
Forza Horizon 4
Titanfall 2 or Far Cry 3
The Witcher 2
LA Noire
Dark Souls 2

Then call it, and frankly only 3D World is essential. I also really think LA Noire should have replaced Heavy Rain but whatever. Also if youre looking at that list and going Forza Horizon 4, what? it is right behind 3D World and Skyward Sword in the rankings of best reviewed snubs, and had a surprisingly good GOTY performance. It beat Monster Hunter World! 3 did pretty alright as well. And of course, the Forza franchise is now the premier realistic racing franchise while the Horizon subseries is arcadey enough for GameFAQs to like it. Thats the top snub you never thought of for sure.


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Ys VIII would beat Forza Horizon 4.

But this topic is about GotD3, not GotD2...
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I think Forza Horizon 4 would be surprisingly not terrible. I mean, it wouldn't reasonably win a match, but I'd take it over Ys VIII any day. The weakest of those is easily Titanfall 2, it's just good.

Anyway, back to 2030, I think that Ghost of Tsushima has a big advantage even if there are sequels as the start of a franchise. I also wouldn't necessarily assume that its sequels would replace it.

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Ys VIII outperformed Super Meat Boy against Sonic Mania! It's a weak game, sure, but it more or less justified its spot in the bracket

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I would say P5R has so much substantive new and altered content that I'd be more okay with it than, say, P4G.

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Super Meat Boy was definitely SFF'd though, which is my main argument against Ys VIII. It's the only way that result makes sense.

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Or people love Ys 8...

Hopefully P5R gets some ports this decade.
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Lightning Strikes posted...

Super Meat Boy was definitely SFF'd though, which is my main argument against Ys VIII. It's the only way that result makes sense.

It doesn't erase the fact that Ys VIII put up a surprisingly solid performance and isn't bottom feeding fodder like the other games you listed. It proved it belonged. Super Meat Boy may or may not beat it head to head but it wouldn't blow it out even if it did.

Obra Dinn is the other game that should've been replaced if you just want to get rid of the very weakest fodder.

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How does Sonic Mania SFF Super Meat Boy again? Just because the two are 2D platformers that couldn't be more different in style?

Meat Boy is just really weak. Being the guru pick gave it a high seed and a very good bracket placement and yet it failed to even break 70% on Slay the Spire. Literally Yakuza 0 (love the series but even I admit it is very weak) broke 77 on The Witness. It did almost 10% better than Meat Boy on a game of similar strength.

2D platformers with retro appeal, yes.

Anyway we all know the true snubs from GOTD2 were Fallout 76 and Metroid: Other M. Might as well throw in Mass Effect: Andromeda, Anthem, Star Wars: Battlefront II and other similar stuff.

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When it's a shocking result that defies our expectations, it has to be SFF.

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Indie-developed retro-styled sidescrolling platformers that hit it big on the Switch? No overlap there.

But more on topic, I feel confident that Super Meat Boy Forever will not make GOTD3.

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Literally everything has overlap. It's just a question of whether the fans disproportionately favor one over the other.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Indie-developed retro-styled sidescrolling platformers that hit it big on the Switch? No overlap there.

super meat boy did not "hit it big" on the switch
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