LOTR question

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Heroic Bigpun 01/03/21 12:00:01 PM #151:	okay, fans are upset something is different. But let me ask, could have the witch-king realistically have done that? Like if he was having a good day and Gandalf with just slightly off his game --- pUnny at his phone. Expect tYpos <cite>Heroic Bigpun posted [p:949052946] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote> okay, fans are upset something is different. But let me ask, could have the witch-king realistically have done that? Like if he was having a good day and Gandalf with just slightly off his game </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 01/03/21 12:04:36 PM #152:	redrocket posted... They are under no ones command. The wizards/elves had the ability to request their aid in dire circumstances, and then they could choose to come or not. I thought the Eagles served Manwe, though? Does he not command them in any way? (Not that this really matters much for LotR, other than potentially explaining why the Eagles don't do more.) --- Congrats to 2020 GotD Guru champ azuarc! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:949053081] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>redrocket posted...</cite> <quote>They are under no ones command. The wizards/elves had the ability to request their aid in dire circumstances, and then they could choose to come or not. </quote> I thought the Eagles served Manwe, though? Does he not command them in any way? (Not that this really matters much for LotR, other than potentially explaining why the Eagles don't do more.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 01/03/21 12:09:14 PM #153:	Heroic Bigpun posted... okay, fans are upset something is different. But let me ask, could have the witch-king realistically have done that? Like if he was having a good day and Gandalf with just slightly off his game Maybe. There is a lot of precedent in Tolkien that unless there is a huge power gap between two opponents, the fight will go to whoever is braver, more clever, less arrogant, etc. that day. This usually works in favor of the good guys, but the good guys can also get tripped up here if they are too full of themselves. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:949053199] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Heroic Bigpun posted... </cite> <quote>okay, fans are upset something is different. But let me ask, could have the witch-king realistically have done that? Like if he was having a good day and Gandalf with just slightly off his game</quote> Maybe. There is a lot of precedent in Tolkien that unless there is a huge power gap between two opponents, the fight will go to whoever is braver, more clever, less arrogant, etc. that day. This usually works in favor of the good guys, but the good guys can also get tripped up here if they are too full of themselves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 01/03/21 12:17:07 PM #154:	Xeybozn posted... I thought the Eagles served Manwe, though? Does he not command them in any way? (Not that this really matters much for LotR, other than potentially explaining why the Eagles don't do more.) Technically, but it is questionable to what degree eagles of the Third Age were directly commanded by Manwe. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:949053378] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Xeybozn posted... </cite> <quote>I thought the Eagles served Manwe, though? Does he not command them in any way? (Not that this really matters much for LotR, other than potentially explaining why the Eagles don't do more.)</quote> Technically, but it is questionable to what degree eagles of the Third Age were directly commanded by Manwe. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/03/21 12:20:57 PM #155:	redrocket posted... Yeah, in the books they never meet. Gandalf left the battle before then to save Faramir. In fairness to the Witch King, Gandalf contemplated their upcoming confrontation, and in his mind he still respected the Witch King as a formidable opponent. He wasnt like, lol that guy, Im gonna spank his ass. I think they meet but never fight because as soon as they do the Rohirrim shows up and the Witch King leaves to deal with it. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:949053475] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>redrocket posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, in the books they never meet. Gandalf left the battle before then to save Faramir. In fairness to the Witch King, Gandalf contemplated their upcoming confrontation, and in his mind he still respected the Witch King as a formidable opponent. He wasnt like, lol that guy, Im gonna spank his ass.</quote>I think they meet but never fight because as soon as they do the Rohirrim shows up and the Witch King leaves to deal with it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/03/21 12:32:43 PM #156:	There is the "Fly, you fools" theory also... lol One popular fan theory that surfaced on Reddit several years ago posits that Gandalf did plan to fly to Mordor using the eagles, but died before he could put his idea into motion. As posted by VulcanDeathGrip, the first leg of the Fellowship's journey saw Gandalf take the group through the Misty Mountains - incidentally the area the Great Eagles call their home. Gandalf may have planned to take Frodo and the others not through the mountains, but to the eagles' nest, where they could make the rest of the journey by air. This could explain why Gandalf was reluctant to pass through Moria, because that path took the Fellowship further south, away from the waiting eagles. Upon his death he says "Fly, you fools" hoping they get it... but they don't. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:949053816] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>There is the "Fly, you fools" theory also... lol One popular fan theory that surfaced on Reddit several years ago posits that Gandalf did plan to fly to Mordor using the eagles, but died before he could put his idea into motion. As posted by VulcanDeathGrip, the first leg of the Fellowship's journey saw Gandalf take the group through the Misty Mountains - incidentally the area the Great Eagles call their home. Gandalf may have planned to take Frodo and the others not through the mountains, but to the eagles' nest, where they could make the rest of the journey by air. This could explain why Gandalf was reluctant to pass through Moria, because that path took the Fellowship further south, away from the waiting eagles. Upon his death he says "Fly, you fools" hoping they get it... but they don't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/03/21 12:46:34 PM #157:	http://www.sean-crist.com/personal/pages/eagles/index.html Here you go, Pun. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:949054260] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>http://www.sean-crist.com/personal/pages/eagles/index.html Here you go, Pun. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punnyz 01/03/21 12:52:10 PM #158:	You gotta hand it to Gandalf He didn't want to to through Moria because of the Balrog but he didn't SAY anything because he wanted to spare Gimli's feelings and he fucking died for it what a classy fella --- https://imgur.com/qBpLe47 https://imgur.com/25MHSn1 <cite>Punnyz posted [p:949054440] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>You gotta hand it to Gandalf He didn't want to to through Moria because of the Balrog but he didn't SAY anything because he wanted to spare Gimli's feelings and he fucking died for it what a classy fella </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/03/21 12:53:02 PM #159:	He did kill the Balrog too IIRC --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949054465] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>He did kill the Balrog too IIRC</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punnyz 01/03/21 1:05:06 PM #160:	also speaking of world building and balrogs I don't know about DND and fantasy stuff in general but I do know Balrogs are supposed to be fucking badass, right? Its crazy the Dwarves just...RAN into one for no reason makes you think what else could just be lying in wait in the world --- https://imgur.com/qBpLe47 https://imgur.com/25MHSn1 <cite>Punnyz posted [p:949054892] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>also speaking of world building and balrogs I don't know about DND and fantasy stuff in general but I do know Balrogs are supposed to be fucking badass, right? Its crazy the Dwarves just...RAN into one for no reason makes you think what else could just be lying in wait in the world </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/03/21 1:08:47 PM #161:	I don't think Gandalf knew the Balrog for sure was there or what happened to the dwarves. I don't think he was sparing Gimli's feelings. And even if he did know, telling Gimli that would have even moreso made him rush to go there. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:949055008] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>I don't think Gandalf knew the Balrog for sure was there or what happened to the dwarves. I don't think he was sparing Gimli's feelings. And even if he did know, telling Gimli that would have even moreso made him rush to go there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 01/03/21 1:13:21 PM #162:	Jakyl25 posted... He did kill the Balrog too IIRC Yeah I think he fought it for a week straight, and died afterwards from exhaustion. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:949055164] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>He did kill the Balrog too IIRC</quote> Yeah I think he fought it for a week straight, and died afterwards from exhaustion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/03/21 1:18:04 PM #163:	Punnyz posted... but I do know Balrogs are supposed to be f*ing badass, right? Yeah theyre the same level of being as the Wizards and Sauron --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949055328] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Punnyz posted...</cite> <quote> but I do know Balrogs are supposed to be f*ing badass, right? </quote> Yeah theyre the same level of being as the Wizards and Sauron</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heroic Bigpun 01/03/21 2:23:47 PM #164:	I found out that the Elf garrison at Helms Deep was not in the book So they all probably did die in the movie It just sucks seeing an Elf go )= Thousands of years of life down the drain --- pUnny at his phone. Expect tYpos <cite>Heroic Bigpun posted [p:949057700] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>I found out that the Elf garrison at Helms Deep was not in the book So they all probably did die in the movie It just sucks seeing an Elf go )= Thousands of years of life down the drain </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/03/21 2:32:06 PM #165:	They have an afterlife confirmed --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949058032] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>They have an afterlife confirmed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/03/21 2:37:10 PM #166:	Elves can be reborn with their memories intact. Actually I don't know if reborn is the right term, as I think they come back as adults. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:949058205] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Elves can be reborn with their memories intact. Actually I don't know if reborn is the right term, as I think they come back as adults. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heroic Bigpun 01/03/21 2:43:27 PM #167:	Did Aragorns Waifu give that up? --- pUnny at his phone. Expect tYpos <cite>Heroic Bigpun posted [p:949058411] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Did Aragorns Waifu give that up? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Radix 01/03/21 2:44:16 PM #168:	arent the eagles servants of manwe or am i misremembering whoops missed page 4 --- congrats to azuarc for victorying GotD guru https://imgur.com/fKQfZ0Q <cite>Radix posted [p:949058437] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>arent the eagles servants of manwe or am i misremembering whoops missed page 4 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/03/21 2:44:51 PM #169:	She gave up natural immortality but I dont know if she gave up the other benefits of Elfhood --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949058457] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>She gave up natural immortality but I dont know if she gave up the other benefits of Elfhood</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/03/21 2:46:00 PM #170:	red sox 777 posted... Elves can be reborn with their memories intact. Actually I don't know if reborn is the right term, as I think they come back as adults. Isnt this only a thing because Tolkien accidentally used the same name for an Elf character from two different eras <_< --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949058503] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Elves can be reborn with their memories intact. Actually I don't know if reborn is the right term, as I think they come back as adults. </quote> Isnt this only a thing because Tolkien accidentally used the same name for an Elf character from two different eras <_<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/03/21 2:46:18 PM #171:	red sox 777 posted... Elves can be reborn with their memories intact. Actually I don't know if reborn is the right term, as I think they come back as adults. Or they come back as orcs. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:949058512] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>Elves can be reborn with their memories intact. Actually I don't know if reborn is the right term, as I think they come back as adults.</quote>Or they come back as orcs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/03/21 2:47:18 PM #172:	Corrik7 posted... Or they come back as orcs. Ok citation needed --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949058547] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote> Or they come back as orcs. </quote> Ok citation needed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punnyz 01/03/21 3:27:31 PM #173:	I do think they mentioned that in the movies some orcs are formally Elves --- https://imgur.com/qBpLe47 https://imgur.com/25MHSn1 <cite>Punnyz posted [p:949059884] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>I do think they mentioned that in the movies some orcs are formally Elves </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/03/21 3:41:12 PM #174:	Yeah I know that one of the options Tolkien considered was that the original ones were corrupted elves, since he decided he didnt want evil to be able to create life from nothing. I just dont know of any mention of them being corrupted REINCARNATED elves --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949060393] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I know that one of the options Tolkien considered was that the original ones were corrupted elves, since he decided he didnt want evil to be able to create life from nothing. I just dont know of any mention of them being corrupted REINCARNATED elves</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punnyz 01/03/21 3:43:57 PM #175:	man I admire Tolkien he seriously didn't give a fuck huh he gave elaborate details but still alot of shit didn't get elaborated on anyways lol --- https://imgur.com/qBpLe47 https://imgur.com/25MHSn1 <cite>Punnyz posted [p:949060488] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>man I admire Tolkien he seriously didn't give a fuck huh he gave elaborate details but still alot of shit didn't get elaborated on anyways lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/03/21 3:45:42 PM #176:	I mean its all just created to serve as a reason for him to make up complete fake languages which was his real passion <_< --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949060560] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>I mean its all just created to serve as a reason for him to make up complete fake languages which was his real passion <_<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/03/21 4:14:52 PM #177:	Jakyl25 posted... Ok citation needed Melkor was the first to learn of the Awakening of the Elves. He soon began sending evil spirits among the Elves, who planted seeds of doubt against the Valar. It is also rumoured that some of the elves were being captured by a "Rider" if they strayed too far, and the elves later believed these were brought to Utumno, where they were cruelly tortured and twisted into Orcs. Saruman: Do you know how the Orcs first came into being? They were elves once, taken by the dark powers, tortured and mutilated. A ruined and terrible form of life. And now... perfected. My fighting Uruk-Hai. Whom do you serve? Lurtz: Saruman. I mean, unless you want to argue they aren't dead while they are pulling their bodies from the ground. I suppose. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:949061689] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Ok citation needed</quote> Melkor was the first to learn of the Awakening of the Elves. He soon began sending evil spirits among the Elves, who planted seeds of doubt against the Valar. It is also rumoured that some of the elves were being captured by a "Rider" if they strayed too far, and the elves later believed these were brought to Utumno, where they were cruelly tortured and twisted into Orcs. Saruman: Do you know how the Orcs first came into being? They were elves once, taken by the dark powers, tortured and mutilated. A ruined and terrible form of life. And now... perfected. My fighting Uruk-Hai. Whom do you serve? Lurtz: Saruman. I mean, unless you want to argue they aren't dead while they are pulling their bodies from the ground. I suppose. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/03/21 4:17:03 PM #178:	Yeah thats not coming back to life as orcs --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949061797] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Yeah thats not coming back to life as orcs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/03/21 4:18:00 PM #179:	Where does it say from the ground --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949061839] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Where does it say from the ground</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/03/21 4:20:38 PM #180:	Jakyl25 posted... Where does it say from the ground Did you not see them digging them out of the ground? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:949061962] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Where does it say from the ground</quote>Did you not see them digging them out of the ground? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/03/21 4:22:33 PM #181:	I was looking for textual support --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949062044] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>I was looking for textual support</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/03/21 4:26:55 PM #182:	Is visual support not allowed? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:949062202] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Is visual support not allowed? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/03/21 4:34:04 PM #183:	Apparently the Isengard Uruk Hai were crossbred between humans and orcs and/or orcs and goblins by Saruman themself. And them being in the ground was because they arise from the ground like maggots? Idk. The first orcs were elves, but the orcs after were from breeding... So elf lineage.. I guess. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:949062474] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Apparently the Isengard Uruk Hai were crossbred between humans and orcs and/or orcs and goblins by Saruman themself. And them being in the ground was because they arise from the ground like maggots? Idk. The first orcs were elves, but the orcs after were from breeding... So elf lineage.. I guess. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/03/21 4:50:03 PM #184:	Yeah if you meant them coming out of the ground thats how they gestate --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949063032] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Yeah if you meant them coming out of the ground thats how they gestate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GildedFool 01/03/21 5:08:25 PM #185:	CaptainOfCrush posted... Oh yeah isn't Sauran's tower like 5000 feet tall? In the films it is. In the books it's just undescribably huge and thrusts everything around it into shadow. --- https://i.imgtc.com/tP0gkiQ.png <cite>GildedFool posted [p:949063668] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>CaptainOfCrush posted... </cite> <quote>Oh yeah isn't Sauran's tower like 5000 feet tall?</quote>In the films it is. In the books it's just undescribably huge and thrusts everything around it into shadow. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maniac64 01/03/21 5:41:06 PM #186:	Jakyl25 posted... I mean its all just created to serve as a reason for him to make up complete fake languages which was his real passion <_< This --- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris <cite>Maniac64 posted [p:949064858] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>I mean its all just created to serve as a reason for him to make up complete fake languages which was his real passion <_<</quote>This </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/03/21 7:18:37 PM #187:	Jakyl25 posted... Isnt this only a thing because Tolkien accidentally used the same name for an Elf character from two different eras <_< I don't think so. One of the main themes of Tolkien's work is the idea of the "gift of men," which is the ability to truly leave the world, which is impossible for an elf. How long an elf must wait in the Halls of Mandos (I guess in spiritual form only?) before reincarnation depends in large part on how virtuous they were in life. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:949068548] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Isnt this only a thing because Tolkien accidentally used the same name for an Elf character from two different eras <_<</quote> I don't think so. One of the main themes of Tolkien's work is the idea of the "gift of men," which is the ability to truly leave the world, which is impossible for an elf. How long an elf must wait in the Halls of Mandos (I guess in spiritual form only?) before reincarnation depends in large part on how virtuous they were in life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punnyz 01/04/21 12:27:58 AM #188:	If the Nazgul can't be killed how did that one chick kill the Witch King? .......or was that "no man? a woman then lol" thing an actual technicality instead of just girl power? --- https://imgur.com/qBpLe47 https://imgur.com/25MHSn1 <cite>Punnyz posted [p:949078661] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>If the Nazgul can't be killed how did that one chick kill the Witch King? .......or was that "no man? a woman then lol" thing an actual technicality instead of just girl power? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 01/04/21 1:35:45 AM #189:	Punnyz posted... If the Nazgul can't be killed how did that one chick kill the Witch King? .......or was that "no man? a woman then lol" thing an actual technicality instead of just girl power? It was destiny. Destiny is the ultimate trump card in Tolkien. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:949080154] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Punnyz posted... </cite> <quote>If the Nazgul can't be killed how did that one chick kill the Witch King? .......or was that "no man? a woman then lol" thing an actual technicality instead of just girl power?</quote> It was destiny. Destiny is the ultimate trump card in Tolkien. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DM_DOKURO 01/04/21 1:43:08 AM #190:	Punnyz posted... If the Nazgul can't be killed how did that one chick kill the Witch King? .......or was that "no man? a woman then lol" thing an actual technicality instead of just girl power? Tolkien thought Shakespeare copped out by having shitty disguises be the forest rising against Macbeth and thought the "no man of woman born" twist should've been a woman killing him, so he decided to do them right --- The death is my life, the strength becomes my weakness, the journey has ended <cite>DM_DOKURO posted [p:949080284] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Punnyz posted...</cite> <quote>If the Nazgul can't be killed how did that one chick kill the Witch King? .......or was that "no man? a woman then lol" thing an actual technicality instead of just girl power? </quote> Tolkien thought Shakespeare copped out by having shitty disguises be the forest rising against Macbeth and thought the "no man of woman born" twist should've been a woman killing him, so he decided to do them right</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/04/21 2:00:15 AM #191:	Punnyz posted... If the Nazgul can't be killed how did that one chick kill the Witch King? .......or was that "no man? a woman then lol" thing an actual technicality instead of just girl power? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Witch King heard a prophecy that he would not be killed by man, so he felt invincible fighting against men. So he let down his guard. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:949080535] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Punnyz posted... </cite> <quote>If the Nazgul can't be killed how did that one chick kill the Witch King? .......or was that "no man? a woman then lol" thing an actual technicality instead of just girl power?</quote> It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Witch King heard a prophecy that he would not be killed by man, so he felt invincible fighting against men. So he let down his guard. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SoulDynasty 01/04/21 8:35:58 AM #192:	Merrys blade that stabbed him in the leg was a magical blade given to him by Tom Bombadil. When the Witch King was stabbed, he lost his immortality. --- Thinking Luigi and WAAAA > Pokemon Trainers was dumb, and Pokemon rocks. Only users posting XxSoulxX will be rated <cite>SoulDynasty posted [p:949085743] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Merrys blade that stabbed him in the leg was a magical blade given to him by Tom Bombadil. When the Witch King was stabbed, he lost his immortality. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SoulDynasty 01/04/21 8:46:11 AM #193:	SoulDynasty posted... Merrys blade that stabbed him in the leg was a magical blade given to him by Tom Bombadil. When the Witch King was stabbed, he lost his immortality. Sorry, I got this wrong (was a year ago that I read Fellowship). Right before they reached Tom Bombadil, the hobbits went through the Barrow Downs, an ancient war zone that is now haunted. While escaping, the hobbits grabbed the weapons that were buried in a tomb, not realizing these weapons were magical. I believe Tom Bombadil took a look at these weapons when he rescued the hobbits from the old tree and realized what they were, and told them to keep them. It was a very well-kept example of foreshadowing. --- Thinking Luigi and WAAAA > Pokemon Trainers was dumb, and Pokemon rocks. Only users posting XxSoulxX will be rated <cite>SoulDynasty posted [p:949085923] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>SoulDynasty posted... </cite> <quote>Merrys blade that stabbed him in the leg was a magical blade given to him by Tom Bombadil. When the Witch King was stabbed, he lost his immortality.</quote> Sorry, I got this wrong (was a year ago that I read Fellowship). Right before they reached Tom Bombadil, the hobbits went through the Barrow Downs, an ancient war zone that is now haunted. While escaping, the hobbits grabbed the weapons that were buried in a tomb, not realizing these weapons were magical. I believe Tom Bombadil took a look at these weapons when he rescued the hobbits from the old tree and realized what they were, and told them to keep them. It was a very well-kept example of foreshadowing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heroic Bigpun 01/04/21 10:32:28 AM #194:	Okay that makes more sense . way more sense. So they killed him because of stuff that was not established in the movie but still had to be there I mean I have nothing against girl power at all but that would've been just....weird Also him being full of himself makes no sense since they survived Aragorns attack and they were told they were immortal when they questioned it --- pUnny at his phone. Expect tYpos <cite>Heroic Bigpun posted [p:949088330] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Okay that makes more sense . way more sense. So they killed him because of stuff that was not established in the movie but still had to be there I mean I have nothing against girl power at all but that would've been just....weird Also him being full of himself makes no sense since they survived Aragorns attack and they were told they were immortal when they questioned it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/04/21 10:50:02 AM #195:	Yeah the blade was actually specifically enchanted to be able to hurt the Witch-King. It was from an area that once went to war against the lands he was the Witch-King of back in the day. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949088780] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Yeah the blade was actually specifically enchanted to be able to hurt the Witch-King. It was from an area that once went to war against the lands he was the Witch-King of back in the day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 01/04/21 10:58:23 AM #196:	Merry also isn't a man he's a hobbit --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:949089015] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Merry also isn't a man he's a hobbit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heroic Bigpun 01/04/21 11:23:01 AM #197:	Yea but hes a man hobbit, what kind of post is that? If you're implying it's because he's not human does that mean somr random elves and dwarves could've killed the Witch king? Hell, an orc? That asshole doesn't seem so impressive anymore --- pUnny at his phone. Expect tYpos <cite>Heroic Bigpun posted [p:949089704] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Yea but hes a man hobbit, what kind of post is that? If you're implying it's because he's not human does that mean somr random elves and dwarves could've killed the Witch king? Hell, an orc? That asshole doesn't seem so impressive anymore </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 01/04/21 11:27:33 AM #198:	Heroic Bigpun posted... Yea but hes a man hobbit, what kind of post is that? If you're implying it's because he's not human does that mean somr random elves and dwarves could've killed the Witch king? Hell, an orc? That asshole doesn't seem so impressive anymore Possibly. Men and hobbits are different races, after all! <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:949089821] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Heroic Bigpun posted... </cite> <quote>Yea but hes a man hobbit, what kind of post is that? If you're implying it's because he's not human does that mean somr random elves and dwarves could've killed the Witch king? Hell, an orc? That asshole doesn't seem so impressive anymore</quote> Possibly. Men and hobbits are different races, after all! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 01/04/21 12:01:14 PM #199:	Yeah in LOTR Men often refers to Humans --- https://imgur.com/G17qCv1 <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:949090866] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Yeah in LOTR Men often refers to Humans </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/04/21 2:46:33 PM #200:	Then he wouldn't have made that comment to Gandalf. Who is not a Man. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:949096610] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Then he wouldn't have made that comment to Gandalf. Who is not a Man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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