Current Events > Yearly reminder: The Star Wars EU was never canon.

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Eight years after the Disney buyout and decades of it still being true before that, people still seem to be confused about this so I'm just here to remind you; the EU was never canon. So now we can finally all stop worrying about it. Please. Stop.

I understand that, but it doesn't make it good to be so. There was some crazy stuff in the EU but also good stuff. they could have taken more aspects of the EU into the Disney Trilogy. I wish they had kept the original Solo kids for example.

Doing god's work

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It does amaze me how little this is understood.

Maybe Id be more angery at Disney if I read more of the books (or took the ones Ive read more seriously) but to me, Star Wars was always all about the movies (and then.. shows, once Clone Wars became a thing).

Thats not to say I didnt enjoy the old books, but I always thought it was strange how people saw them as canon instead of glorified fanfiction \_()_/

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also Mara Jade. Luke had a wife and happy life. Disney made him into a lifelong virgin hermit

ZIkten, your word choice makes it look like you think the EU was canon. The EU was not canon.

Disney buying Star Wars destroyed Star Wars video games and thereby destroyed Star Wars as a franchise

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Yeah it's funny that people care so much. The whole 'technically this is canon but it'll never be acknowledged in any movies and if something in the movies contradicts it the movies are right' thing just makes it all so meaningless.

There's a lot Disney doesn't do right but overall they've done a much better job trying to make the EU material actually matter.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

Disney buying Star Wars destroyed Star Wars video games and thereby destroyed Star Wars as a franchise

Fallen Order and Squadrons don't exist eh?

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Damn_Underscore posted...

Disney buying Star Wars destroyed Star Wars video games and thereby destroyed Star Wars as a franchise

I think you mean EA getting exclusive rights destroyed Star Wars video games.

specialkid8 posted...

I think you mean EA getting exclusive rights destroyed Star Wars video games.

Disney only cares about their bottom line which directly resulted in that.

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Star Wars games were sucking long before Disney bought them out.

Do people forget that Battlefront became a PSP exclusive franchise

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Yeah they've always been fanfic you can buy

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It was "canon until contradicted, and nothing is going to come along to contradict it". Then something did and well, people are going to pick the path they found more entertaining or of higher quality. ie: my miggest beef with Solo was we already had a much better Han origin story.

Hell, we're at a time where even movies can be retroacrtively said not to have happened, from Superman Returns ignoring 3 and 4, to Terminator Dark Fate, or everything is nebulous.

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lightwarrior78 posted...

It was "canon until contradicted

Nope.

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^This guy. This guys gets it.

i'm fine with that. means the shit decisions disney have made since they bought the IP dont effect the stories i grew up reading.

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If you miss Luuke Skywalker you shouldn't be taken seriously

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Blightzkrieg posted...

If you miss Luuke Skywalker you shouldn't be taken seriously

Still a better sequel than the sequels

Fuck off I liked Luuke Skywalker.

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That was also a way better explanation of the lightsaber than "a story for another time"

I wish Boba getting his hands on lightsabers and using them was canon, was cool af. Oh well.

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What was crazy about it to me was how airtight the lore was. Even considering most the quality was just glorified fanfiction, it didn't have any plot contradictions with the other works.

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Hayame Zero posted...

What was crazy about it to me was how airtight the lore was. Even considering most the quality was just glorified fanfiction, it didn't have any plot contradictions with the other works.

...This is a joke right

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95% of the EU stuff was stupid af anyway.

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The Force Unleashed is the only piece of media that was decanonized by Disney.

/bump

EU bad disney gud

Such a lazy troll topic, but of course ce can't help but bite.

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How is this a troll topic? I'm being slightly passive aggressive because confrontation is the only means of communication CE responds to but there is no misinformation in here.

specialkid8 posted...

How is this a troll topic?

specialkid8 posted...

I'm being slightly passive aggressive

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specialkid8 posted...

The Force Unleashed is the only piece of media that was decanonized by Disney.

/bump

They also decanonized Star Wars kid

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While there were undoubtedly good stories to come out of the old EU, taken as a whole it was pretty bad and Disney was 100% right to formally decanonize it. That said, I wish some Star Wars fans could accept that there were good old EU stories and that there is obviously going to be upset about them losing whatever lettered-canon status they had previously had, but instead people come out aggressively antagonistic over the whole thing.

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Not a single source. Why should I believe you?

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dave_is_slick posted...

Not a single source. Why should I believe you?

George Lucas has talked about it multiple times over several decades.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsCantina/comments/9m4ggk/george_lucas_on_the_expanded_universe_thats_a/

If you want a more concrete source you can dig through links. Google comes up with a bunch of interviews and quotes.

The Holocron continuity database was an internal database maintained by Lucas Licensing for the express purpose of trying to maintain continuity within all licensed products, prior to the April 2014 declaration of a single official canon. This Holocron was sorted into five levels of canon that reflected LFL's canon and continuity policies: G, T, C, S, and N. G, T, C, and S together formed an overall continuity that was considered by Lucasfilm to be the "true" Star Wars canon prior to the decanonization of the Expanded Universe.

• G (George Lucas) canon was absolute canon. This category included the six films, some of the deleted scenes from the films, the novelizations of the films, the radio dramas based on the films, the film scripts, and any material found in any other source (published or not) that comes directly from George Lucas himself. G canon overruled all other forms of canon when there was a contradiction.
• T[9] canon referred to the canon level comprising only the television show Star Wars: The Clone Wars.
• C (continuity) canon referred to the main body of EU work, and was the next most authoritative level of canon. All material published under the Star Wars label but not falling into G, S, or N was C canon, and was considered authoritative as long as not contradicted by G canon. Games were a special case as generally only the stories would be C-canon while things like stats and gameplay were N-canon. If the video game had several possible endings or if the player could choose the gender or the species of the main character, only one of each is considered C-canon. C-canon elements have appeared in the movies, thus making them G-canon. These included Coruscant (both its name and the concept of it being an ecumenopolis), swoop bikes, Aayla Secura, Double Bladed Lightsabers, YT-2400 freighters, and Action VI transports.
• S (secondary) canon referred to older, less accurate, or less coherent EU works, which would not ordinarily fit in the main continuity of G and C canon. Unless referenced by a G- or C-level source, the story itself is considered non-continuity, but the non-contradicting elements were still a canon part of the Star Wars universe. For example, this included The Star Wars Holiday Special, the Marvel comics, the popular online roleplaying game Star Wars Galaxies, and certain elements of a few N-canon stories.
• N continuity material is also known as "non-canon" or "non-continuity" material. What-if stories (such as those published under the Infinities label), game stats, "comic" material such as Angry Birds Star Wars or Jedi Academy and anything else that was directly contradicted by higher canon and could not at all fit into continuity was placed into this category. N-canon was the only level that was not at all considered canon by Lucasfilm.

Fuck that goddamn mouse.
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I remember when people had meltdowns over The Clone Wars stepping on established lord.

Its funny how this stuff is hated at first and then becomes beloved. Star Wars definitely has one of the oddest fanbases

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"is no longer canon" is the more accurate term.

Quinlan Vos made a name drop cameo in Revenge.
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Background_Guy posted...

came in to post this as the proof that TC was wrong, thanks

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Kelystic posted...

"is no longer canon" is the more accurate term.

Quinlan Vos made a name drop cameo in Revenge.

???

Vos has been in lots of canon material so not sure what point youre making

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rexcrk posted...

I remember when people had meltdowns over The Clone Wars stepping on established lord.

Its funny how this stuff is hated at first and then becomes beloved. Star Wars definitely has one of the oddest fanbases

Yeah, people ignore that before Disney purchased Star Wars, TCW fucking slaughtered a decade of older Clone Wars lore.

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JumpstyIe posted...

came in to post this as the proof that TC was wrong, thanks

An internal database used by a licensing company to keep track of the stories they were publishing is not proof of anything. Especially since it's just a long winded gobbledygook way of saying "Canon and not canon". George Lucas is literally the God of Star Wars and his word was law until Disney's was. He said it wasn't canon. Who are we to question the word of the Lord?

you sound annoying

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rexcrk posted...

I remember when people had meltdowns over The Clone Wars stepping on established lord.

If you mean the CGI series, the only real issue I took with it was them making the battle droids talk. Since A) Lore DID say they were all slaved to a master computer, and B) there's no reason for a battle droid meant for mass unit service to have a personality.

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Crazyman93 posted...

If you mean the CGI series, the only real issue I took with it was them making the battle droids talk. Since A) Lore DID say they were all slaved to a master computer, and B) there's no reason for a battle droid meant for mass unit service to have a personality.

They did in RotS though, this wasn't new.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Yeah, people ignore that before Disney purchased Star Wars, TCW fucking slaughtered a decade of older Clone Wars lore.

Ive just never seen a fanbase go to such lengths to be a n g e r y all the time. But the funny thing to me is how pick-and-choose-y they are. Like, the beginning of The Force Awakens takes place on a desert planet and people lost their minds because its too similar to the original but then on The Mandalorian they literally go to Tatooine in the same cantina and its yasss callbacks!

Palpatine returns as a clone in The Rise of Skywalker and its the biggest crime of the world, but Darth Maul survives being cut in half by holding onto his anger while a talking snake takes care of him on some junk planet on The Clone Wars or Boba Fett survives the Sarlaac on The Mandalorian and yassss this is amazing!

Not to mention when the prequels were coming out, George Lucas might as well have murdered peoples families based on the vitriolic hate those movies got, and now theyre loved??? And when The Clone Wars first came out people hated that too because it de-canonized the 2D show as well as some of the EU stories.

As someone who generally likes it all and always has, its very amusing

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Who cares about star wars canon lol

All the best stories were non canon, so what

rexcrk posted...

Palpatine returns as a clone in The Rise of Skywalker

There was an entire EU series where this happened. Frankly it was sort of dumb there too. Complete with cloning issues because the dark side accelerates clone aging even more, or something.

rexcrk posted...

Boba Fett survives the Sarlaac on The Mandalorian and yassss this is amazing!

Also something they took from the pre-Disney EU. It was well liked there and given a suitable explanation as well. Basically "Armor make Boba not get digested." Somehow. Anyway, Boba Fett was always far more popular than his role in the movies can justify.

rexcrk posted...

Not to mention when the prequels were coming out, George Lucas might as well have murdered peoples families based on the vitriolic hate those movies got, and now theyre loved???

This could be because younger fans saw the prequels and didn't get all bent out of shape. I never really hated the prequels, but then again, I was in Kindergarten when Phantom Menace came out. The main bitching point I always heard was "Midichlorines!" I guess because it took their magic and applied almost science. But now everyone hates the ST so much the PT looks good by comparison to them, or this younger generation of fans is reacting the same way the older generation did to the prequels, which just means history repeats.

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Pretty sure I posted in last year's topic letting you know you are wrong. The fact that you continue to post this just means you are willfully ignorant. The EU was authorized by George Lucas himself. He even used stuff from it in the movies and TV shows.

You throwing a temper tantrum about this doesn't change reality.

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You can worry about canon or just enjoy a book you like. It's all fiction anyway, worrying about which fiction is more true is just going to stress you out. :)

It would have been hard to adapt decades of novels into movies anyway at the best of times.

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