Poll of the Day > Another Day, aNother Black Man is killed by Cops...

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pionear 09/02/20 2:29:10 PM #1:	https://www.yahoo.com/news/come-face-us-l-reels-182112358.html Over a Bike Violation...But they said he had a Handgun on him <cite>pionear posted [p:944121842] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>https://www.yahoo.com/news/come-face-us-l-reels-182112358.html Over a Bike Violation...But they said he had a Handgun on him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan 09/02/20 2:39:28 PM #2:	pionear posted... https://www.yahoo.com/news/come-face-us-l-reels-182112358.html Over a Bike Violation...But they said he had a Handgun on him Which he dropped, probably thinking that the cops might recognize that a lack of threat of lethal force on them might cause them to not murder him as the law demands. Even if he hadn't dropped it, he didn't try to use it to attack anyone and the claim that cops should be able to shoot anyone who carries a gun is anti-2nd amendment. --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:944122261] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>pionear posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.yahoo.com/news/come-face-us-l-reels-182112358.html Over a Bike Violation...But they said he had a Handgun on him</quote>Which he dropped, probably thinking that the cops might recognize that a lack of threat of lethal force on them might cause them to not murder him as the law demands. Even if he hadn't dropped it, he didn't try to use it to attack anyone and the claim that cops should be able to shoot anyone who carries a gun is anti-2nd amendment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 09/02/20 2:40:14 PM #3:	They shot him after they saw the gun drop in a bundle of cloth he was carrying. Haven't seen anyone say whether the cops saw him going for the gun, all the articles make it sound like they shot as soon as they saw the gun which was not on his person when it was seen which makes it... weird especially as this started over a bike violation? What does that even mean? <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:944122295] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>They shot him after they saw the gun drop in a bundle of cloth he was carrying. Haven't seen anyone say whether the cops saw him going for the gun, all the articles make it sound like they shot as soon as they saw the gun which was not on his person when it was seen which makes it... weird especially as this started over a bike violation? What does that even mean? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 09/02/20 3:31:08 PM #4:	How many days do you think the police will leave as a grace period for mourning before they start their orchestrated smear campaign on the victim? "He jaywalked 2 years ago, too. Clearly, he was a menace to society." <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:944124144] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>How many days do you think the police will leave as a grace period for mourning before they start their orchestrated smear campaign on the victim? "He jaywalked 2 years ago, too. Clearly, he was a menace to society." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 09/02/20 3:33:22 PM #5:	2nd ammendment is just a way to give immunity to all cops 'cuz they can assume everyone has a gun, but at the same time you aren't allowed to use guns to defend yourself from cops --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:944124221] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>2nd ammendment is just a way to give immunity to all cops 'cuz they can assume everyone has a gun, but at the same time you aren't allowed to use guns to defend yourself from cops </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/02/20 3:39:40 PM #6:	inb4 he got caught with weed or some other petty shit years ago so the cops were good to kill him --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944124428] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>inb4 he got caught with weed or some other petty shit years ago so the cops were good to kill him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/02/20 3:42:35 PM #7:	Dijon Kizzee dude was only 29, on a bicycle, they shot him dozens of times, handcuffed his dead body, and couldnt even respond initially to what violation the guy had done to be harassed by the cops to begin with --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944124536] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Dijon Kizzee dude was only 29, on a bicycle, they shot him dozens of times, handcuffed his dead body, and couldnt even respond initially to what violation the guy had done to be harassed by the cops to begin with </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 09/02/20 3:48:26 PM #8:	Our suspect was holding some items of clothing in his hands, punched one of the officers in the face and then dropped the items in his hands, Sheriffs Lt. Brandon Dean said Monday evening. The deputies noticed that inside the clothing items that he dropped was a black semiautomatic handgun, at which time a deputy-involved shooting occurred. So he assaulted an officer and had been carrying at least one deadly weapon that they know of? Gaawa_chan posted... Even if he hadn't dropped it, he didn't try to use it to attack anyone and the claim that cops should be able to shoot anyone who carries a gun is anti-2nd amendment. Lokarin posted... 2nd ammendment is just a way to give immunity to all cops 'cuz they can assume everyone has a gun, but at the same time you aren't allowed to use guns to defend yourself from cops ...semi-auto weapons are banned in LA so you can't play that card. You can't remove the second amendment in an area and then pretend that there's a second-amendment right. Oh, and not for nothing, but gun control is rooted in racism. BlackScythe0 posted... Haven't seen anyone say whether the cops saw him going for the gun, all the articles make it sound like they shot as soon as they saw the gun which was not on his person when it was seen which makes it... weird especially as this started over a bike violation? What does that even mean? It was a bike violation stop. The suspect knew he would be searched and they'd find an illegal weapon on his person (and semi-auto weapons are very illegal in LA, especially handguns) so he ran. The police pursued, he assaulted one officer, and shortly after they saw that he was in possession of at least one gun. Whether it was out of his hands or not at the time, keep in mind that you already had a hostile suspect who attacked an officer and was known to be armed with at least one illegally-carried weapon. As such, their actions don't seem entirely unreasonable. They didn't know what other weapons he might have on his person, but at that point they'd established a willingness to use violence against officers and that he was carrying illegal weapons. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:944124740] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote><quote>Our suspect was holding some items of clothing in his hands, punched one of the officers in the face and then dropped the items in his hands, Sheriffs Lt. Brandon Dean said Monday evening. The deputies noticed that inside the clothing items that he dropped was a black semiautomatic handgun, at which time a deputy-involved shooting occurred.</quote> So he assaulted an officer and had been carrying at least one deadly weapon that they know of? Gaawa_chan posted... </cite> <quote>Even if he hadn't dropped it, he didn't try to use it to attack anyone and the claim that cops should be able to shoot anyone who carries a gun is anti-2nd amendment.</quote> Lokarin posted... </cite> <quote>2nd ammendment is just a way to give immunity to all cops 'cuz they can assume everyone has a gun, but at the same time you aren't allowed to use guns to defend yourself from cops</quote> ...semi-auto weapons are banned in LA so you can't play that card. You can't remove the second amendment in an area and then pretend that there's a second-amendment right. Oh, and not for nothing, but gun control is rooted in racism. BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>Haven't seen anyone say whether the cops saw him going for the gun, all the articles make it sound like they shot as soon as they saw the gun which was not on his person when it was seen which makes it... weird especially as this started over a bike violation? What does that even mean?</quote> It was a bike violation stop. The suspect knew he would be searched and they'd find an illegal weapon on his person (and semi-auto weapons are very illegal in LA, especially handguns) so he ran. The police pursued, he assaulted one officer, and shortly after they saw that he was in possession of at least one gun. Whether it was out of his hands or not at the time, keep in mind that you already had a hostile suspect who attacked an officer and was known to be armed with at least one illegally-carried weapon. As such, their actions don't seem entirely unreasonable. They didn't know what other weapons he might have on his person, but at that point they'd established a willingness to use violence against officers and that he was carrying illegal weapons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 09/02/20 3:49:49 PM #9:	> ...semi-auto weapons are banned in LA so you can't play that card. lolwut, so what are people using for guns... Garands and Big Irons? Wait, even the garand is semi-auto! So Flintlocks? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:944124796] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>> ...semi-auto weapons are banned in LA so you can't play that card. lolwut, so what are people using for guns... Garands and Big Irons? Wait, even the garand is semi-auto! So Flintlocks? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 09/02/20 3:58:45 PM #10:	Reminder that cops aren't allowed to murder criminals either --- https://imgur.com/mmESgwx <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:944125121] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Reminder that cops aren't allowed to murder criminals either </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan 09/02/20 4:01:32 PM #11:	Zeus posted... ...semi-auto weapons are banned in LA so you can't play that card. Thank you for ignoring 3/4 of what I said. Even if he hadn't dropped it, he didn't try to use it to attack anyone To suggest that holding a firearm (let alone fucking dropping one) is grounds for shooting someone IS anti 2nd amendment regardless of whether or not the firearm is legal because the legality of the firearm is not part of the original argument. As has been explained to you before, Zeus, the cops are not legally permitted to murder people who are not posing an immediate, active threat, and it doesn't matter if they're holding a firearm/knife (legal or not, if they aren't attacking someone with them, they have no grounds for killing the person), whether or not they are perfectly compliant, whether or not they run, whether or not they have drugs or have used drugs, whether or not they have a criminal record. And cops KNOW this, which is why Dylan Roof is alive. --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:944125219] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>...semi-auto weapons are banned in LA so you can't play that card. </quote>Thank you for ignoring 3/4 of what I said. <quote>Even if he hadn't dropped it, he didn't try to use it to attack anyone</quote>To suggest that holding a firearm (let alone fucking dropping one) is grounds for shooting someone IS anti 2nd amendment regardless of whether or not the firearm is legal because the legality of the firearm is not part of the original argument. As has been explained to you before, Zeus, the cops are not legally permitted to murder people who are not posing an immediate, active threat, and it doesn't matter if they're holding a firearm/knife (legal or not, if they aren't attacking someone with them, they have no grounds for killing the person), whether or not they are perfectly compliant, whether or not they run, whether or not they have drugs or have used drugs, whether or not they have a criminal record. And cops KNOW this, which is why Dylan Roof is alive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 09/02/20 4:04:05 PM #12:	Cool Zeus I still have no clue what a bike violation is nor do I know if he was going for the weapon. The story doesn't explain why this guy was approached or why he was fired on. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:944125319] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Cool Zeus I still have no clue what a bike violation is nor do I know if he was going for the weapon. The story doesn't explain why this guy was approached or why he was fired on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 09/02/20 4:07:17 PM #13:	Assaulting a police officer isn't a crime punishable by death. --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:944125436] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Assaulting a police officer isn't a crime punishable by death. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 09/02/20 4:11:08 PM #14:	Jen0125 posted... Assaulting a police officer isn't a crime punishable by death. I don't even believe them that he punched any of them till I see video evidence. Police lie all the fucking time on reports after unjustly shooting somebody. And he was fleeing, and they had guns. The only conceivable time he could've punched them is before he ran away. In which case, he wasn't assaulting them when they shot him. Revenge for punching one of them isn't justification to shoot him when he's no longer a threat. That's what criminal charges and court is for. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:944125577] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>Assaulting a police officer isn't a crime punishable by death.</quote>I don't even believe them that he punched any of them till I see video evidence. Police lie all the fucking time on reports after unjustly shooting somebody. And he was fleeing, and they had guns. The only conceivable time he could've punched them is before he ran away. In which case, he wasn't assaulting them when they shot him. Revenge for punching one of them isn't justification to shoot him when he's no longer a threat. That's what criminal charges and court is for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/02/20 4:17:56 PM #15:	streamofthesky posted... Police lie all the fucking time on reports after unjustly shooting somebody. and bootlickers are more than eager to lie for them --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944125874] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>Police lie all the fucking time on reports after unjustly shooting somebody.</quote> and bootlickers are more than eager to lie for them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LuciusLatios 09/02/20 4:30:47 PM #16:	Mead posted... Dijon Kizzee dude was only 29, on a bicycle, they shot him dozens of times, handcuffed his dead body, and couldnt even respond initially to what violation the guy had done to be harassed by the cops to begin with 7... dozens implies 12+ --- Stop reading this signature, get off your device and do something worthwhile. 2DS FC:0963-6134-2863 <cite>LuciusLatios posted [p:944126400] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>Dijon Kizzee dude was only 29, on a bicycle, they shot him dozens of times, handcuffed his dead body, and couldnt even respond initially to what violation the guy had done to be harassed by the cops to begin with</quote> 7... dozens implies 12+ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 09/02/20 4:44:47 PM #17:	Ill have to wait to see bodycam footage or something else but it sounds like a bad shoot if he didn't have the gun in his possession. He looks like a pretty big dude though, if he was fighting them as alleged then that might be their justification. God I'm tired of this shit. --- I promise that if the game stinks I will make a topic about how I hate it and you can all laugh at me - Mead on Fallout 76 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:944126929] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Ill have to wait to see bodycam footage or something else but it sounds like a bad shoot if he didn't have the gun in his possession. He looks like a pretty big dude though, if he was fighting them as alleged then that might be their justification. God I'm tired of this shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/02/20 4:55:10 PM #18:	https://i.imgur.com/WTDnnwE.gif --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/YvP6isz <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:944127346] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>https://i.imgur.com/WTDnnwE.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/02/20 4:57:26 PM #19:	LuciusLatios posted... 7... dozens implies 12+ 15 shots fired but youre right dozens is the wrong term I should have simply said too fucking many --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944127416] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>LuciusLatios posted... </cite> <quote>7... dozens implies 12+</quote> 15 shots fired but youre right dozens is the wrong term I should have simply said too fucking many </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/02/20 4:59:36 PM #20:	Smarkil posted... He looks like a pretty big dude though fuck off with that shit cops cant treat people like theyre wild animals --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944127499] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Smarkil posted... </cite> <quote>He looks like a pretty big dude though</quote> fuck off with that shit cops cant treat people like theyre wild animals </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 09/02/20 5:07:20 PM #21:	Smarkil posted... He looks like a pretty big dude For you --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:944127771] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Smarkil posted... </cite> <quote>He looks like a pretty big dude</quote>For you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monopoman 09/02/20 5:14:27 PM #22:	A white kid can walk by multiple cop cars with a large rifle doesn't even get stopped or questioned, a black man might have had a gun and drops it before even getting near the cops gets shot anyways. <cite>Monopoman posted [p:944128044] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>A white kid can walk by multiple cop cars with a large rifle doesn't even get stopped or questioned, a black man might have had a gun and drops it before even getting near the cops gets shot anyways. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/02/20 5:19:37 PM #23:	Monopoman posted... A white kid can walk by multiple cop cars with a large rifle doesn't even get stopped or questioned and that was AFTER he had just killed a couple people the cops didnt even arrest him after that, HE WENT HOME and had to be politely arrested later --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944128240] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Monopoman posted... </cite> <quote>A white kid can walk by multiple cop cars with a large rifle doesn't even get stopped or questioned</quote> and that was AFTER he had just killed a couple people the cops didnt even arrest him after that, HE WENT HOME and had to be politely arrested later </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/02/20 6:16:17 PM #24:	Monopoman posted... A white kid can walk by multiple cop cars with a large rifle doesn't even get stopped or questioned, a black man might have had a gun and drops it before even getting near the cops gets shot anyways. Wrong. Crimes are crimes no matter the race. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/YvP6isz <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:944130399] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Monopoman posted... </cite> <quote>A white kid can walk by multiple cop cars with a large rifle doesn't even get stopped or questioned, a black man might have had a gun and drops it before even getting near the cops gets shot anyways.</quote> Wrong. Crimes are crimes no matter the race. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PK_Spam 09/02/20 6:21:54 PM #25:	These cops have to be doing it on purpose at this point. There really isnt any other explanation for this. --- https://imgur.com/hCHZS1f <cite>PK_Spam posted [p:944130632] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>These cops have to be doing it on purpose at this point. There really isnt any other explanation for this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
keyblader1985 09/02/20 6:28:54 PM #26:	wwinterj25 posted... Wrong. Crimes are crimes no matter the race. What was wrong about that? It all happened. --- Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai <cite>keyblader1985 posted [p:944130917] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>Wrong. Crimes are crimes no matter the race.</quote>What was wrong about that? It all happened. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 09/02/20 6:29:06 PM #27:	PK_Spam posted... These cops have to be doing it on purpose at this point. There really isnt any other explanation for this. Idk what you mean by "on purpose", but there's ample evidence that excessive force against minorities is by design. Police are taught to treat them as targets and that no matter how far they go the police force will always support them. Police are taught that they are soldiers going into enemy territory, and that the people who live there are all out to kill them. --- https://imgur.com/mmESgwx <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:944130927] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>PK_Spam posted... </cite> <quote>These cops have to be doing it on purpose at this point. There really isnt any other explanation for this.</quote>Idk what you mean by "on purpose", but there's ample evidence that excessive force against minorities is by design. Police are taught to treat them as targets and that no matter how far they go the police force will always support them. Police are taught that they are soldiers going into enemy territory, and that the people who live there are all out to kill them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/02/20 6:33:48 PM #28:	PK_Spam posted... These cops have to be doing it on purpose at this point. There really isnt any other explanation for this. theyre poorly trained and a lot of them are people that arent really equipped to deal with crisis scenarios plus they give them all a gun so of course when things get tense its easy for them to jump to shooting someone to resolve a situation, especially since even if they fuck up theyve got an entire department and union that is gonna have their back no matter what --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944131115] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>PK_Spam posted... </cite> <quote>These cops have to be doing it on purpose at this point. There really isnt any other explanation for this.</quote> theyre poorly trained and a lot of them are people that arent really equipped to deal with crisis scenarios plus they give them all a gun so of course when things get tense its easy for them to jump to shooting someone to resolve a situation, especially since even if they fuck up theyve got an entire department and union that is gonna have their back no matter what </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 09/02/20 6:39:07 PM #29:	wwinterj25 posted... Wrong. Crimes are crimes no matter the race. Not in the US --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:944131320] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>Wrong. Crimes are crimes no matter the race.</quote> Not in the US </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 09/02/20 6:42:43 PM #30:	Blightzkrieg posted... Police are taught that they are soldiers going into enemy territory, and that the people who live there are all out to kill them. This. --- It's okay, I have no idea who I am either. https://imgur.com/WOo6wcq <cite>Zareth posted [p:944131471] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote> Police are taught that they are soldiers going into enemy territory, and that the people who live there are all out to kill them.</quote>This. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReggieTheReckless 09/02/20 6:43:52 PM #31:	"Put the gun down!" "Ok, thanks! BOOM" da fuck <cite>ReggieTheReckless posted [p:944131508] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>"Put the gun down!" "Ok, thanks! BOOM" da fuck </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/02/20 7:24:49 PM #32:	Jen0125 posted... Not in the US Interesting. I'm a privileged white boy so I guess it's time to rob a bank in the USA and I'll do it without any trouble from the law. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/YvP6isz <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:944133084] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>Not in the US</quote>Interesting. I'm a privileged white boy so I guess it's time to rob a bank in the USA and I'll do it without any trouble from the law. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 09/02/20 7:30:18 PM #33:	wwinterj25 posted... Interesting. I'm a privileged white boy so I guess it's time to rob a bank in the USA and I'll do it without any trouble from the law. You'll probably be alive for your court date. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:944133279] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>wwinterj25 posted... </cite> <quote>Interesting. I'm a privileged white boy so I guess it's time to rob a bank in the USA and I'll do it without any trouble from the law.</quote> You'll probably be alive for your court date. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/02/20 7:32:04 PM #34:	BlackScythe0 posted... You'll probably be alive for your court date. That's optimistic. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/YvP6isz <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:944133339] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>You'll probably be alive for your court date.</quote> That's optimistic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HelIWithoutSin 09/02/20 7:36:23 PM #35:	Zeus posted... ...semi-auto weapons are banned in LA so you can't play that card. Assault weapons are banned in California, handguns are not. --- And when Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer. -Hans Gruber <cite>HelIWithoutSin posted [p:944133492] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>...semi-auto weapons are banned in LA so you can't play that card.</quote> Assault weapons are banned in California, handguns are not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 09/02/20 8:03:44 PM #36:	Mead posted... fuck off with that shit cops cant treat people like theyre wild animals No. Not fuck off with that shit. There's a pretty big difference between a dude who's 6'5 and 250 pounds fighting a cop vs a 5'2 woman of 110 pounds fighting a cop. I'm not implying his being killed was justified. There aren't enough details. But I'm going to start with it not being justified until I get more details. Being rational is not a bad word. --- I promise that if the game stinks I will make a topic about how I hate it and you can all laugh at me - Mead on Fallout 76 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:944134399] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>fuck off with that shit cops cant treat people like theyre wild animals</quote> No. Not fuck off with that shit. There's a pretty big difference between a dude who's 6'5 and 250 pounds fighting a cop vs a 5'2 woman of 110 pounds fighting a cop. I'm not implying his being killed was justified. There aren't enough details. But I'm going to start with it not being justified until I get more details. Being rational is not a bad word. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 09/02/20 8:50:56 PM #37:	Gaawa_chan posted... Thank you for ignoring 3/4 of what I said. To suggest that holding a firearm (let alone fucking dropping one) is grounds for shooting someone IS anti 2nd amendment regardless of whether or not the firearm is legal because the legality of the firearm is not part of the original argument. As has been explained to you before, Zeus, the cops are not legally permitted to murder people who are not posing an immediate, active threat, and it doesn't matter if they're holding a firearm/knife (legal or not, if they aren't attacking someone with them, they have no grounds for killing the person), whether or not they are perfectly compliant, whether or not they run, whether or not they have drugs or have used drugs, whether or not they have a criminal record. And cops KNOW this, which is why Dylan Roof is alive. Says the guy who ignored 3/4s of what I said. The guy had ALREADY attacked an officer. They ALREADY knew he had at least one weapon on him. What you're basically suggesting is that cops should wait until they get shot before they go for their weapon, even when the suspect has already assaulted officers and shown himself to illegally have one gun. BlackScythe0 posted... Cool Zeus I still have no clue what a bike violation is nor do I know if he was going for the weapon. The story doesn't explain why this guy was approached or why he was fired on. Except it literally explains why he was approached. You're just moving the goalposts at this point. Monopoman posted... A white kid can walk by multiple cop cars with a large rifle doesn't even get stopped or questioned, a black man might have had a gun and drops it before even getting near the cops gets shot anyways. lolwut? You mean a white kid in the middle of a large crowded area at night wasn't stopped because the cops were trying to search the area to see who was shot. Meanwhile, I should point out, that a white kid listening to music was shot in the back by officers who were responding to an alleged tip -- despite bodycam showing that the officer was only feet away from the suspect who had his back turned to the officer -- who then handcuffed the kid and let him bleed out on the sidewalk.... after which it was deemed appropriate and nothing happened to the cops. You want to talk about double-standards? How about the fact that BLM didn't say shit about that because the unarmed teenager was white and it interferes with their false narrative that police misconduct is exclusively a black thing? Or the fact that the media outlets -- and posters -- who claim "another day, another black man is killed by cops" go deathly silent when it happens to a non-black suspect? HelIWithoutSin posted... Assault weapons are banned in California, handguns are not. ...first, there are state AND city ordinances regarding gun control. Second, and more importantly, it was a semi-auto handgun (ie, an "assault weapon") which is pretty explicitly banned both under high capacity magazine bans and under the semi-auto ban. And that's not even going into LA's laws regarding hanguns. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:944136108] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Gaawa_chan posted... </cite> <quote>Thank you for ignoring 3/4 of what I said. To suggest that holding a firearm (let alone fucking dropping one) is grounds for shooting someone IS anti 2nd amendment regardless of whether or not the firearm is legal because the legality of the firearm is not part of the original argument. As has been explained to you before, Zeus, the cops are not legally permitted to murder people who are not posing an immediate, active threat, and it doesn't matter if they're holding a firearm/knife (legal or not, if they aren't attacking someone with them, they have no grounds for killing the person), whether or not they are perfectly compliant, whether or not they run, whether or not they have drugs or have used drugs, whether or not they have a criminal record. And cops KNOW this, which is why Dylan Roof is alive.</quote> Says the guy who ignored 3/4s of what I said. The guy had ALREADY attacked an officer. They ALREADY knew he had at least one weapon on him. What you're basically suggesting is that cops should wait until they get shot before they go for their weapon, even when the suspect has already assaulted officers and shown himself to illegally have one gun. BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>Cool Zeus I still have no clue what a bike violation is nor do I know if he was going for the weapon. The story doesn't explain why this guy was approached or why he was fired on.</quote> Except it literally explains why he was approached. You're just moving the goalposts at this point. Monopoman posted... </cite> <quote>A white kid can walk by multiple cop cars with a large rifle doesn't even get stopped or questioned, a black man might have had a gun and drops it before even getting near the cops gets shot anyways.</quote> lolwut? You mean a white kid in the middle of a large crowded area at night wasn't stopped because the cops were trying to search the area to see who was shot. Meanwhile, I should point out, that a white kid listening to music was shot in the back by officers who were responding to an alleged tip -- despite bodycam showing that the officer was only feet away from the suspect who had his back turned to the officer -- who then handcuffed the kid and let him bleed out on the sidewalk.... after which it was deemed appropriate and nothing happened to the cops. You want to talk about double-standards? How about the fact that BLM didn't say shit about that because the unarmed teenager was white and it interferes with their false narrative that police misconduct is exclusively a black thing? Or the fact that the media outlets -- and posters -- who claim "another day, another black man is killed by cops" go deathly silent when it happens to a non-black suspect? HelIWithoutSin posted... </cite> <quote>Assault weapons are banned in California, handguns are not.</quote> ...first, there are state AND city ordinances regarding gun control. Second, and more importantly, it was a semi-auto handgun (ie, an "assault weapon") which is pretty explicitly banned both under high capacity magazine bans and under the semi-auto ban. And that's not even going into LA's laws regarding hanguns. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/02/20 8:54:07 PM #38:	Smarkil posted... No. Not fuck off with that shit. There's a pretty big difference between a dude who's 6'5 and 250 pounds fighting a cop vs a 5'2 woman of 110 pounds fighting a cop. I'm not implying his being killed was justified. There aren't enough details. But I'm going to start with it not being justified until I get more details. Being rational is not a bad word. if you wanna be impartial and rational then do that, without the idk he is a pretty big dude bullshit --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944136213] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Smarkil posted... </cite> <quote>No. Not fuck off with that shit. There's a pretty big difference between a dude who's 6'5 and 250 pounds fighting a cop vs a 5'2 woman of 110 pounds fighting a cop. I'm not implying his being killed was justified. There aren't enough details. But I'm going to start with it not being justified until I get more details. Being rational is not a bad word.</quote> if you wanna be impartial and rational then do that, without the idk he is a pretty big dude bullshit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 09/02/20 9:01:07 PM #39:	he dropped a bundle that contained a gun, then made a reaching motion for said bundle. ane bicycles are legally vehicles, nothing wrong with being pulled over for violating a vehicle code on a bike.... wish more bicyclists had to follow the laws. being on a bike doesn't make you better than someone in a car, and you don't have right of way over pedestrians --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:944136484] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>he dropped a bundle that contained a gun, then made a reaching motion for said bundle. ane bicycles are legally vehicles, nothing wrong with being pulled over for violating a vehicle code on a bike.... wish more bicyclists had to follow the laws. being on a bike doesn't make you better than someone in a car, and you don't have right of way over pedestrians</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/02/20 9:01:42 PM #40:	Smarkil posted... Being rational is not a bad word. You're responding to a Mead post. Go figure. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - https://imgur.com/YvP6isz <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:944136508] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Smarkil posted... </cite> <quote>Being rational is not a bad word.</quote> You're responding to a Mead post. Go figure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 09/02/20 9:18:54 PM #41:	Mead posted... if you wanna be impartial and rational then do that, without the idk he is a pretty big dude bullshit So I can't point out something that's very obvious? Is that how we're doing things now? I don't know how many times I have to justify myself by saying that I don't want anyone to be killed by cops - black or otherwise. But IF he was fighting with cops then they MIGHT have a justified reason for shooting him. But I'm not going to assume the narrative is correct, I'm just taking it on first impression based upon incredibly limited and suspect facts/narrative. --- I promise that if the game stinks I will make a topic about how I hate it and you can all laugh at me - Mead on Fallout 76 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:944137142] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>if you wanna be impartial and rational then do that, without the idk he is a pretty big dude bullshit</quote> So I can't point out something that's very obvious? Is that how we're doing things now? I don't know how many times I have to justify myself by saying that I don't want anyone to be killed by cops - black or otherwise. But IF he was fighting with cops then they MIGHT have a justified reason for shooting him. But I'm not going to assume the narrative is correct, I'm just taking it on first impression based upon incredibly limited and suspect facts/narrative. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HelIWithoutSin 09/02/20 10:13:48 PM #42:	Zeus posted... ...first, there are state AND city ordinances regarding gun control. Yep, and none in LA expand on the statewide assault weapon ban. Zeus posted... it was a semi-auto handgun (ie, an "assault weapon") which is pretty explicitly banned both under high capacity magazine bans and under the semi-auto ban. There is no semi-auto ban. There is an assault weapon ban that specific semi-auto guns fall under, none of which are handguns. Zeus posted... And that's not even going into LA's laws regarding hanguns. Well, what are they? --- And when Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer. -Hans Gruber <cite>HelIWithoutSin posted [p:944139388] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>...first, there are state AND city ordinances regarding gun control.</quote> Yep, and none in LA expand on the statewide assault weapon ban. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>it was a semi-auto handgun (ie, an "assault weapon") which is pretty explicitly banned both under high capacity magazine bans and under the semi-auto ban.</quote> There is no semi-auto ban. There is an assault weapon ban that specific semi-auto guns fall under, none of which are handguns. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>And that's not even going into LA's laws regarding hanguns.</quote> Well, what are they? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 09/02/20 11:19:33 PM #43:	its almost as if fighting the cops and pulling out a firearm might get you killed by the cops <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:944141534] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>its almost as if fighting the cops and pulling out a firearm might get you killed by the cops </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monopoman 09/02/20 11:21:33 PM #44:	Smarkil posted... So I can't point out something that's very obvious? Is that how we're doing things now? I don't know how many times I have to justify myself by saying that I don't want anyone to be killed by cops - black or otherwise. But IF he was fighting with cops then they MIGHT have a justified reason for shooting him. But I'm not going to assume the narrative is correct, I'm just taking it on first impression based upon incredibly limited and suspect facts/narrative. We have seen people killed when not attacking cops also, looking at every situation like oh yeah he took a swing at a cop and they shot him or he was running at a cop with a knife out and they shot him is a joke. <cite>Monopoman posted [p:944141592] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Smarkil posted... </cite> <quote>So I can't point out something that's very obvious? Is that how we're doing things now? I don't know how many times I have to justify myself by saying that I don't want anyone to be killed by cops - black or otherwise. But IF he was fighting with cops then they MIGHT have a justified reason for shooting him. But I'm not going to assume the narrative is correct, I'm just taking it on first impression based upon incredibly limited and suspect facts/narrative.</quote> We have seen people killed when not attacking cops also, looking at every situation like oh yeah he took a swing at a cop and they shot him or he was running at a cop with a knife out and they shot him is a joke. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 09/03/20 3:54:36 AM #45:	Monopoman posted... We have seen people killed when not attacking cops also Sure. But that's not what we're talking about. Monopoman posted... looking at every situation like oh yeah he took a swing at a cop and they shot him or he was running at a cop with a knife out and they shot him is a joke. I'm not looking at every situation as though they're fighting the cops. I'm looking at this situation, in which he was allegedly fighting with cops. That could turn out to be complete bullshit and if it is then the cops need to be put through the wringer for it. What's the argument here? --- I promise that if the game stinks I will make a topic about how I hate it and you can all laugh at me - Mead on Fallout 76 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:944147337] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Monopoman posted... </cite> <quote>We have seen people killed when not attacking cops also</quote> Sure. But that's not what we're talking about. Monopoman posted... </cite> <quote>looking at every situation like oh yeah he took a swing at a cop and they shot him or he was running at a cop with a knife out and they shot him is a joke.</quote> I'm not looking at every situation as though they're fighting the cops. I'm looking at this situation, in which he was allegedly fighting with cops. That could turn out to be complete bullshit and if it is then the cops need to be put through the wringer for it. What's the argument here? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/03/20 9:40:45 AM #46:	Smarkil posted... Sure. But that's not what we're talking about. you dont know that you say you want to remain impartial until facts are known but you seem to have instantly accepted that this guy was attacking police because he big --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944152953] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Smarkil posted... </cite> <quote>Sure. But that's not what we're talking about.</quote> you dont know that you say you want to remain impartial until facts are known but you seem to have instantly accepted that this guy was attacking police because he big </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 09/03/20 3:59:37 PM #47:	Mead posted... you dont know that you say you want to remain impartial until facts are known but you seem to have instantly accepted that this guy was attacking police because he big Jesus Christ. I'm looking at the information that I have. There's a legal term called 'prima facie' which means 'at first appearance' which is used in cases where the facts are not necessarily true. This doesn't mean that you're assuming everything that has been said/presented to be true. It means you're looking at the case as though those facts are true and making as judgement under that assumption while also leaving it open to the possibility that what you're seeing is in some way a falsehood and that those facts will come to light through the course of a situation/case. --- I promise that if the game stinks I will make a topic about how I hate it and you can all laugh at me - Mead on Fallout 76 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:944169040] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>you dont know that you say you want to remain impartial until facts are known but you seem to have instantly accepted that this guy was attacking police because he big</quote> Jesus Christ. I'm looking at the information that I have. There's a legal term called 'prima facie' which means 'at first appearance' which is used in cases where the facts are not necessarily true. This doesn't mean that you're assuming everything that has been said/presented to be true. It means you're looking at the case as though those facts are true and making as judgement under that assumption while also leaving it open to the possibility that what you're seeing is in some way a falsehood and that those facts will come to light through the course of a situation/case. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreenKnight127 09/03/20 4:10:54 PM #48:	I've grown kinda numb to all the blacks being killed by police. They seem so horrible on the surface. Inexcusable. Racist. Corrupt cops abusing their power. Infuriating. Tragic. Sad. And ANY death is tragic and sad. Any unnecessary loss of life. HOWEVER........it's seeming like more and more often....the nation reels from these deaths....only to have more information come out a MONTH later....that paints a much different picture than the one the MSM jumped on the day it happened. Anyone else noticing this trend? Just thinking out loud. Don't mind me. They eventually release body-cam footage....and you find out the guy physically assaulted the police, resisted arrest, resisted a taser, continued to rough up the police, ignored all directives, was given countless chances to comply and deescalate....but they choose the exact opposite. I'm not saying that happens in ALL cases.....but it's been happening in a LOT of them. I'm not saying the cops should shoot them to death the moment they don't cooperate........but there's a messy line where lack of cooperation quickly turns into the lives of the officers being put in jeopardy by this person's spastic behavior. And in ANY situation where a GUN or KNIFE presents itself....you can bet your ass the cops aren't going to mess around. Bullets will probably start flying. --- Everyone supports free speech...as long as you say what they want to hear. <cite>GreenKnight127 posted [p:944169552] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>I've grown kinda numb to all the blacks being killed by police. They seem so horrible on the surface. Inexcusable. Racist. Corrupt cops abusing their power. Infuriating. Tragic. Sad. And ANY death is tragic and sad. Any unnecessary loss of life. HOWEVER........it's seeming like more and more often....the nation reels from these deaths....only to have more information come out a MONTH later....that paints a much different picture than the one the MSM jumped on the day it happened. Anyone else noticing this trend? Just thinking out loud. Don't mind me. They eventually release body-cam footage....and you find out the guy physically assaulted the police, resisted arrest, resisted a taser, continued to rough up the police, ignored all directives, was given countless chances to comply and deescalate....but they choose the exact opposite. I'm not saying that happens in ALL cases.....but it's been happening in a LOT of them. I'm not saying the cops should shoot them to death the moment they don't cooperate........but there's a messy line where lack of cooperation quickly turns into the lives of the officers being put in jeopardy by this person's spastic behavior. And in ANY situation where a GUN or KNIFE presents itself....you can bet your ass the cops aren't going to mess around. Bullets will probably start flying. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/03/20 4:15:23 PM #49:	Smarkil posted... Jesus Christ. I'm looking at the information that I have. There's a legal term called 'prima facie' which means 'at first appearance' which is used in cases where the facts are not necessarily true. This doesn't mean that you're assuming everything that has been said/presented to be true. It means you're looking at the case as though those facts are true and making as judgement under that assumption while also leaving it open to the possibility that what you're seeing is in some way a falsehood and that those facts will come to light through the course of a situation/case. thats called regular human perception dude doesnt justify your reaction to a killing being whelp that guy is big and scary looking, so I get it --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:944169756] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Smarkil posted... </cite> <quote>Jesus Christ. I'm looking at the information that I have. There's a legal term called 'prima facie' which means 'at first appearance' which is used in cases where the facts are not necessarily true. This doesn't mean that you're assuming everything that has been said/presented to be true. It means you're looking at the case as though those facts are true and making as judgement under that assumption while also leaving it open to the possibility that what you're seeing is in some way a falsehood and that those facts will come to light through the course of a situation/case.</quote> thats called regular human perception dude doesnt justify your reaction to a killing being whelp that guy is big and scary looking, so I get it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 09/03/20 5:18:38 PM #50:	Man, nobody liked my Bane reference. --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:944172363] in Another Da... [t:78949320]...</cite> <quote>Man, nobody liked my Bane reference. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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