Board 8 > what was the consensus on Twilight Princess when it came out

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ib4 8.8

I am arguing with a friend who says it took a while for people to realize it was not great, i don't know if I am remembering it wrong but i feel like people knew almost immediately after it came out that it did not live up to the hype

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the hype deflated pretty quickly
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Dont really recall what others thought of it, but its pretty easily my favorite LoZ game

th3l3fty posted...

the hype deflated pretty quickly

this, but if youre talking about the absolute immediate reaction, it was immensely positive.

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I believe 8.8

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But yeah, I think initial impressions themselves were hit or miss, too. I mean, pre-game hype was real because the graphics were (and are) amazing, Wolf Link is a cool feature, the map was huge, Zelda had a sword, there was a darkness to everything, and it just looked like a really cool game. And the first two dungeons were great!

But there was also the hour-long tutorial section that started the game out a bit rough (especially considering many of the elements and characters are no longer utilized after the second dungeon). And once you begin opening up the map... it's a lot, a LOT, of empty space. Hell, one big section that takes up 20-30% of the map is just an empty snowboard minigame... Then you get to the large amount of useless inventory, the Poe quest, abrupt turns in the story for little reason, and it's just... eh. Some days I miss it, but never enough to go out and look for it again.

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Yeah I remember it being pretty positive amongst release, with people only thinking of it as a weaker 3D Zelda around... Skywards release?

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Hyped when released, hype deflated by Skyward Sword, love restored by BOTW

Y'know, Zelda cycle
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Initial impressions were great until people remembered they're supposed to hate the newest Zelda game no matter how good it is

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Peoples expectations were through the roof

people were mad it didn't get a perfect score (8.8)

then when the game came out, people got disappointed

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Ironically 8.8 was too high

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LiquidOshawott posted...

Yeah I remember it being pretty positive amongst release, with people only thinking of it as a weaker 3D Zelda around... Skywards release?

I'd say Twilight Princess is the 3rd-most popular Zelda game among the general populace. It's mostly Zelda hipsters or people that were burned by the overhype that went far in the other direction.

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I dunno. I didn't really like it and I felt like other people liked the game more than me.

People were really hyped for it and it seemed like people really enjoyed it when it came out. I think most the lack of enjoyment in the game came from people realizing there isn't much memorable about it.

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this should have been a first thought topic

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Yeah, super hyped before launch and then everyone slowly realised it was just kinda fine.

Unrelated, but do people think of Twilight Princess as a Wii game or a GameCube game?

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Mega Mana posted...

I believe 8.8

Really, it took four replies? I am disappointed you guys.

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pjbasis posted...

Ironically 8.8 was too high

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pjbasis posted...

Ironically 8.8 was too high

My memories are definitely biased because I was spending far too long on the tpsb at the time, but even there I feel like the hype died after a few months. It wasn't immediate by any means, even the long tutorial wasn't much of a turnoff at the time.

Personally I consider it to be a wii game, it being a launch title was a pretty big deal.

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8.8 wasn't high enough imhotbqh

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I remember playing it and hating it, and a lot of furious defense of the game from fans

nowadays the people who like it seem to like it humbly and acknowledge its many flaws

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8.8 is objectively a fine score.

Twilight Princess takes the established Zelda formula and gives you a game of the established Zelda formula.

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red13n posted...

Twilight Princess takes the established Zelda formula and gives you a game of the established Zelda formula.

this sounds like... not something that is worth more than a 6

how high is a game like triforce heroes that takes the zelda formula and actually does so innovation with it

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Underleveled posted...

Really, it took four replies? I am disappointed you guys.

Zen put inb48.8 in the OP so there was no point imo

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8.8 my fucking ass, iirc

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SantaRPidgey posted...

this sounds like... not something that is worth more than a 6

You don't need innovation to be fun to play. The game is still very large and Midna tends to provide a better drive to the narrative than her prior Zelda counterparts.

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I don't think it changed
It pretty much was "well, guess 8.8 was actually right"

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I have 3 main memories of twilight princess

1. Whoa a good water temple

2. It was blurry on my wide-screen tv so I went out and bought a component cable for my wii and was amazed how nice it looked

3. lolz they flipped the entire game to accommodate right handed link for motion controls

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SantaRPidgey posted...

this sounds like... not something that is worth more than a 6

how high is a game like triforce heroes that takes the zelda formula and actually does so innovation with it

does TFH actually do that well? its maybe the only Zelda game I dont own.

OoT is the highest rated game of all time so I dunno how something very similar to that sounds like a 6
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this wolf sucks

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the hype was super high prior to release, but when people actually played it it was immediately middling

some people liked it- they were just excited/relieved to have a traditional zelda game after the cel-shaded sailing one

TP delivered on the idea of a streamlined, straightforward zelda without any water temple or inscrutable world fetch quests to get in the way of beating it. the combat was comparatively fluid, the dungeons flowed naturally, and a couple of the boss fights were nice set pieces (iirc, the desert and sky bosses)

but it was a little too simple and a little too easy to leave a lasting impression. every single boss followed the same three-stage pattern, every puzzle was immediately obvious and each item's context-sensitive trigger points were clearly labeled

i have to confess, it was the first zelda game i completed from start to finish. for every other one, i had taken an extended break when i got stuck and a sibling ended up finishing the save file

i think it's a great game for a non-invested newcomer to jump into to get an overall sense of the origins of the series without becoming discouraged. then, if they like it, they can move back to the more renowned OoT, MM, and the 2d titles

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TP dungeons are some of the best in the series
Everything in-between especially the overworld were boring

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yeah I really enjoyed TPs dungeons and especially its boss fights

Stallord is forever my favorite fight in the series
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pjbasis posted...

Ironically 8.8 was too high

This sadly.
Still leagues ahead of the turd known as Skyward sword

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People are wrong if they say there was immediate disappointment. It took a few months. I did not play it at launch and the hype was still high when I did. It started to get more credit after Skyward Sword came out, then fully bounced back around the release of TPHD which is a great version of it.

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People were super hyped because "It's not KIDDY like Wind Waker!!!!!"

Then gamers got hella salty it didn't get a 10/10.

Then years later people finally realized WW was the superior game, but fuck those bandwagoners tbh. Ya'll had your chance!

Joking aside, imagine being that person who rated it 8.8, getting shit for it, and years later seeing everyone go "Yeah, TP wasn't that good".

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dungeons are great, bosses are fun, most items are totally useless outside the dungeon where you found them

Dark Young Link posted...

Joking aside, imagine being that person who rated it 8.8, getting shit for it, and years later seeing everyone go "Yeah, TP wasn't that good".

Jeff Gerstmann is doing just fine

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I think I made a high ground comic about it.

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the response to Jeffs 8.8 was so stupid especially because Jeff legitimately loves Ocarina of Time

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-virtual-console-review/1100-6166815/

so when MWC weirdos are like he just gave it this score because hates Zelda/Nintendo/whatever it just doesnt hold up at all
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It flipped back-and-forth for him because he loved ocarina of time and wind waker but he hated majoras mask

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Dark Young Link posted...

Then years later people finally realized WW was the superior game

whoa there, let's not go too far here

Wind Waker is still a bad game
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th3l3fty posted...

whoa there, let's not go too far here

Wind Waker is still a bad game

is he arguing that?

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the response to 8.8 reveals how young and immature we still were at the time tbqh. i can't imagine something like that happening today.

(well of course MWC never matured but still)

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This is so wrong, gamers absolutely loved it when it first came out, and the 8.8 only made the love last longer as some sort of proto-GG act of cultural war.

I know this because I was down on it at launch and got attacked for months. People thought it was a pinnacle and a return to Post with it's focus on straightforward dungeons and gritty design. The amount of posts praising the glorious spinner...

People forget that a huge part of the Zelda cycle isn't just that you lose the love of a Zelda game, it's that you believe that you were never in love in the first place. That your current middling opinion was there the first time you played. No, you thought the spinner was GOAT too.

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Spinner is still the GOAT

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Spinner was super cool in the dungeon you got it in (namely the boss fight), and then absolutely useless aside from a few item collection spots.

It might sound like I'm describing a bunch of Zelda items, but none fit that bill as dramatically as the Spinner.

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kevwaffles posted...

Spinner was super cool in the dungeon you got it in (namely the boss fight), and then absolutely useless aside from a few item collection spots.

It might sound like I'm describing a bunch of Zelda items, but none fit that bill as dramatically as the Spinner.

This is always exaggerated. It's used in like the majority of the dungeons after you get it!

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Double Clawshot so I can go Spider-Man is the best

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I remember it being positive but not the second coming.