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BUMPED2002 07/26/20 2:24:32 AM #1:	Do you think the US Justice system is fair? Yes No It's biased I don't know Do you think the US Justice system is fair? - Results (15 votes) Yes 13.33% (2 votes) 2 No 46.67% (7 votes) 7 It's biased 40% (6 votes) 6 I don't know 0% (0 votes) 0 US Justice System --- SpankageBros <cite>BUMPED2002 posted [p:942596305] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote> Do you think the US Justice system is fair? Yes No It's biased I don't know Vote View Results Do you think the US Justice system is fair? - Results (15 votes) Yes 13.33% (2 votes) 2 No 46.67% (7 votes) 7 It's biased 40% (6 votes) 6 I don't know 0% (0 votes) 0 Show Voting Form US Justice System </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/26/20 2:27:28 AM #2:	fuck no only people its fair to are the wealthy or powerful --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:942596358] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>fuck no only people its fair to are the wealthy or powerful </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JigsawTDC 07/26/20 2:40:46 AM #3:	Anyone who thinks the U.S. justice system is fair is nuts. It's also structurally biased in many ways. I voted straight "no" though, because while it's more unfair to some, there are ways in which it is unfair to all as well. <cite>JigsawTDC posted [p:942596598] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>Anyone who thinks the U.S. justice system is fair is nuts. It's also structurally biased in many ways. I voted straight "no" though, because while it's more unfair to some, there are ways in which it is unfair to all as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FatalAccident 07/26/20 4:22:58 AM #4:	lol this must be a joke topic --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:942598247] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>lol this must be a joke topic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fishy071 07/26/20 5:28:36 AM #5:	It's not fair. It's corrupted because people are evil. --- "You don't need a reason to help people." (Zidane Tribal of FFIX) <cite>fishy071 posted [p:942598951] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>It's not fair. It's corrupted because people are evil. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 07/26/20 5:33:10 AM #6:	It's inherently not fair since your defender and prosecutor are not necessarily equal --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:942598994] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>It's inherently not fair since your defender and prosecutor are not necessarily equal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
aHappySacka 07/26/20 5:34:43 AM #7:	It favours whoever is more white and rich than the other. --- You are now blinking and breathing manually. https://imgur.com/91NC0Cb <cite>aHappySacka posted [p:942599013] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>It favours whoever is more white and rich than the other. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 07/26/20 6:48:14 AM #8:	Depends on your definition of "fair." It's weighted in favor of the wealthy and influential -- which is the same of every justice system in the world -- and the sentencing is often insane, but generally speaking it's more than fair considering how many second, third, fourth, and fifth chances people tend to get. You had that one dude who was arrested 103 times (and is a registered sex offender) in the past 15 years before getting arrested for the 104th time for randomly attacking a pedestrian (and this is after multiple assault arrests this year). Can you imagine that shit happening in other nations? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:942599833] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>Depends on your definition of "fair." It's weighted in favor of the wealthy and influential -- which is the same of every justice system in the world -- and the sentencing is often insane, but generally speaking it's more than fair considering how many second, third, fourth, and fifth chances people tend to get. You had that one dude who was arrested 103 times (and is a registered sex offender) in the past 15 years before getting arrested for the 104th time for randomly attacking a pedestrian (and this is after multiple assault arrests this year). Can you imagine that shit happening in other nations? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xjayguyx 07/26/20 7:50:52 AM #9:	Mead posted... fuck no only people its fair to are the wealthy or powerful This doesn't make sense.. you're saying it's fair for wealthy or powerful people to get more lenient sentences? <cite>xjayguyx posted [p:942600581] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>fuck no only people its fair to are the wealthy or powerful</quote> This doesn't make sense.. you're saying it's fair for wealthy or powerful people to get more lenient sentences? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadowbird_RH 07/26/20 8:56:18 AM #10:	Definitely in need of major reform, perhaps even a complete overhaul. --- Fail, and we all face a tyrannical age of pizza the likes of which sentient life has never known. - Sun'barac, Xenoblade Chronicles X <cite>Shadowbird_RH posted [p:942601582] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>Definitely in need of major reform, perhaps even a complete overhaul. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan 07/26/20 9:34:16 AM #11:	Yes, the for-profit system designed to detain as many PoC (particularly men) as it can to use them as free labor while giving them as few trials as possible (and stealing people's property on the side through civil asset forfeiture) but shields the wealthy as much as it can is really fucking fair. --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:942602294] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>Yes, the for-profit system designed to detain as many PoC (particularly men) as it can to use them as free labor while giving them as few trials as possible (and stealing people's property on the side through civil asset forfeiture) but shields the wealthy as much as it can is really fucking fair. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BADoglick 07/26/20 10:14:47 AM #12:	Anyone who votes yes has no idea what they're talking about --- BADoglick to the Max! <cite>BADoglick posted [p:942603183] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>Anyone who votes yes has no idea what they're talking about </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YoukaiSlayer 07/26/20 10:32:11 AM #13:	The very concept of a better lawyer means it's unfair. As long as anyone's skill comes into the equation, it can't possibly be fair. The unfortunate reality is we just don't have the technology to be truly certain someone is guilty in most cases so we just go with if they are really likely to be guilty. If it was actually innocent until PROVEN guilty, most people would get away with their crimes because witnesses become meaningless cause they COULD be lying. Most physical evidence COULD be planted. Confessions are frequently false. The prison system also inherently makes sentencing unreasonable because most crimes don't warrant even 1 day in prison where you might get murdered or raped or beaten. On top of all that, it's corrupt too. --- I'm ninja (you can't see me) <cite>YoukaiSlayer posted [p:942603578] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>The very concept of a better lawyer means it's unfair. As long as anyone's skill comes into the equation, it can't possibly be fair. The unfortunate reality is we just don't have the technology to be truly certain someone is guilty in most cases so we just go with if they are really likely to be guilty. If it was actually innocent until PROVEN guilty, most people would get away with their crimes because witnesses become meaningless cause they COULD be lying. Most physical evidence COULD be planted. Confessions are frequently false. The prison system also inherently makes sentencing unreasonable because most crimes don't warrant even 1 day in prison where you might get murdered or raped or beaten. On top of all that, it's corrupt too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PKMNsony 07/26/20 10:34:16 AM #14:	No, its too lenient. <cite>PKMNsony posted [p:942603624] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>No, its too lenient. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChimeraBlue 07/26/20 10:36:30 AM #15:	Lol. No. <cite>ChimeraBlue posted [p:942603677] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>Lol. No. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
captpackrat 07/26/20 11:32:12 AM #16:	Michigan judge denies release of teenage girl who was jailed after not doing homework https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-judge-denies-release-teenage-girl-who-was-jailed-after-n1234377?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma Man who originally faced over 60 child sex abuse charges gets 1-year deferred sentence in plea deal https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/man-who-originally-faced-over-60-child-sex-abuse-charges-gets-1-year-deferred-sentence-plea-deal/ZDBWLTZG5NFN7FBIRI7L65U7DI/ --- Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, Minutus carborata descendum pantorum. <cite>captpackrat posted [p:942605104] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>Michigan judge denies release of teenage girl who was jailed after not doing homework https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-judge-denies-release-teenage-girl-who-was-jailed-after-n1234377?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma Man who originally faced over 60 child sex abuse charges gets 1-year deferred sentence in plea deal https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/man-who-originally-faced-over-60-child-sex-abuse-charges-gets-1-year-deferred-sentence-plea-deal/ZDBWLTZG5NFN7FBIRI7L65U7DI/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/26/20 12:31:17 PM #17:	xjayguyx posted... This doesn't make sense.. you're saying it's fair for wealthy or powerful people to get more lenient sentences? no? did you read my post? --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:942606820] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>xjayguyx posted... </cite> <quote>This doesn't make sense.. you're saying it's fair for wealthy or powerful people to get more lenient sentences?</quote> no? did you read my post? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 07/26/20 2:15:00 PM #18:	BUMPED2002 posted... Do you think the US Justice system is fair? The legal system isn't meat to be fair. It's meant to be just. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:942610231] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>BUMPED2002 posted... </cite> <quote>Do you think the US Justice system is fair?</quote>The legal system isn't meat to be fair. It's meant to be just. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 07/26/20 2:24:28 PM #19:	if youre white and have money, you have a HUGE advantage. especially the money part though. --- Every man with a microphone thinks he can tell you what he loves the most <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:942610506] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>if youre white and have money, you have a HUGE advantage. especially the money part though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/26/20 3:13:36 PM #20:	There's probably no completely fair justice system in the world but it is really shitty that people or companies with tons of money can pretty much strong-arm the system into getting their way and overpower their opposition simply because they don't have the money to fight them <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942612227] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>There's probably no completely fair justice system in the world but it is really shitty that people or companies with tons of money can pretty much strong-arm the system into getting their way and overpower their opposition simply because they don't have the money to fight them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/26/20 4:16:01 PM #21:	Everyone should just be randomly assigned a tax-funded lawyer, rather than personally paying them. Adjust those lawyers' salaries based on how many cases they win (presumably with some further nuance than that) so there's still an incentive to be competent, but take away the wealthy's ability to rig the justice system by affording better lawyers. Of course, "random" has a lot of room for manipulation and corruption, but that's not impossible to sort out. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:942614532] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>Everyone should just be randomly assigned a tax-funded lawyer, rather than personally paying them. Adjust those lawyers' salaries based on how many cases they win (presumably with some further nuance than that) so there's still an incentive to be competent, but take away the wealthy's ability to rig the justice system by affording better lawyers. Of course, "random" has a lot of room for manipulation and corruption, but that's not impossible to sort out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YoukaiSlayer 07/26/20 7:07:13 PM #22:	Should also mention being judged by a jury of your peers doesn't sound super enticing when you look at the average american. In an ideal system, there wouldn't lawyers or a jury, but the technology isn't there to support much of anything else so for now its all about if you can pay someone to convince strangers you probably didn't do it. --- I'm ninja (you can't see me) <cite>YoukaiSlayer posted [p:942620344] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>Should also mention being judged by a jury of your peers doesn't sound super enticing when you look at the average american. In an ideal system, there wouldn't lawyers or a jury, but the technology isn't there to support much of anything else so for now its all about if you can pay someone to convince strangers you probably didn't do it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/26/20 7:26:14 PM #23:	YoukaiSlayer posted... Should also mention being judged by a jury of your peers doesn't sound super enticing when you look at the average american I've considered this. I've known multiple people on juries for serious crimes and I'm like, "man I would not want this dude on my jury" <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942620967] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>YoukaiSlayer posted... </cite> <quote>Should also mention being judged by a jury of your peers doesn't sound super enticing when you look at the average american</quote>I've considered this. I've known multiple people on juries for serious crimes and I'm like, "man I would not want this dude on my jury" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 07/26/20 11:26:45 PM #24:	captpackrat posted... Michigan judge denies release of teenage girl who was jailed after not doing homework https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-judge-denies-release-teenage-girl-who-was-jailed-after-n1234377?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma It wasn't "homework," it was schoolwork. She hadn't been participating in her online classes. And she's not "jailed," she's in a youth detention facility where, among other things, she's doing her online classes and -- according to the article -- she's been doing much better in school. This one was all spelled out right in the same article you didn't bother to read, which makes the shocking headline seem like a nothingburger considering kids who skip school already can wind up in juvenile detention facilities where they're also educated. captpackrat posted... Man who originally faced over 60 child sex abuse charges gets 1-year deferred sentence in plea deal https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/man-who-originally-faced-over-60-child-sex-abuse-charges-gets-1-year-deferred-sentence-plea-deal/ZDBWLTZG5NFN7FBIRI7L65U7DI/ And it turns those "child sex abuse" charges were related to child porn and the minor in many (or possibly all?) of those photos turns out to be his now-wife who was 17 at the time (and is now 19). There was a secondary accusation about he and an 11 y/o allegedly raping a 14 y/o, but another article suggests those charges weren't part of the plea bargain so either it's going to be a separate case or it was dropped (that part was unclear in the initial article, but it makes sense because it's unlikely that somebody is going to get 1 year and a deferred sentence). Oh, and by the way, he SERVED more than a year in prison and some of that time was credited against his sentence, which is likely why it's lower. https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/man-who-originally-faced-over-60-child-sex-abuse-charges-gets-1-year-deferred-sentence-plea-deal/ZDBWLTZG5NFN7FBIRI7L65U7DI/ "I ask that we be free of this charge," the now 19-year-old woman, who was 17 at the time the photo was taken, told Best. "I feel that we have suffered enough, and I am not a victim of my husband." --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:942629095] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>captpackrat posted... </cite> <quote>Michigan judge denies release of teenage girl who was jailed after not doing homework https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-judge-denies-release-teenage-girl-who-was-jailed-after-n1234377?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma</quote> It wasn't "homework," it was schoolwork. She hadn't been participating in her online classes. And she's not "jailed," she's in a youth detention facility where, among other things, she's doing her online classes and -- according to the article -- she's been doing much better in school. This one was all spelled out right in the same article you didn't bother to read, which makes the shocking headline seem like a nothingburger considering kids who skip school already can wind up in juvenile detention facilities where they're also educated. captpackrat posted... </cite> <quote>Man who originally faced over 60 child sex abuse charges gets 1-year deferred sentence in plea deal https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/man-who-originally-faced-over-60-child-sex-abuse-charges-gets-1-year-deferred-sentence-plea-deal/ZDBWLTZG5NFN7FBIRI7L65U7DI/</quote> And it turns those "child sex abuse" charges were related to child porn and the minor in many (or possibly all?) of those photos turns out to be his now-wife who was 17 at the time (and is now 19). There was a secondary accusation about he and an 11 y/o allegedly raping a 14 y/o, but another article suggests those charges weren't part of the plea bargain so either it's going to be a separate case or it was dropped (that part was unclear in the initial article, but it makes sense because it's unlikely that somebody is going to get 1 year and a deferred sentence). Oh, and by the way, he SERVED more than a year in prison and some of that time was credited against his sentence, which is likely why it's lower. https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending/man-who-originally-faced-over-60-child-sex-abuse-charges-gets-1-year-deferred-sentence-plea-deal/ZDBWLTZG5NFN7FBIRI7L65U7DI/ <quote>"I ask that we be free of this charge," the now 19-year-old woman, who was 17 at the time the photo was taken, told Best. "I feel that we have suffered enough, and I am not a victim of my husband."</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpeeDLeemon 07/26/20 11:34:00 PM #25:	No and it has been proven countless times --- https://imgur.com/oAsNPEr \| https://imgur.com/GG5w6gP <cite>SpeeDLeemon posted [p:942629329] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>No and it has been proven countless times </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow 07/27/20 12:34:00 AM #26:	It's easy to say "no" without any specific changes that I actually think would make it better, so I vote last. Seems like the only way to fix the crazy outlier cases would be to make a stricter rulebook... but then the crazy outliers would be in the rulebook. Dictator Democracy problem. Crazy voters? Dictatorship. Crazy dictator? Democracy. Oh, and the obvious "we lock up people for doing drugs" part of course. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZNqaAh6iLU <cite>Yellow posted [p:942630849] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>It's easy to say "no" without any specific changes that I actually think would make it better, so I vote last. Seems like the only way to fix the crazy outlier cases would be to make a stricter rulebook... but then the crazy outliers would be in the rulebook. Dictator Democracy problem. Crazy voters? Dictatorship. Crazy dictator? Democracy. Oh, and the obvious "we lock up people for doing drugs" part of course. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zebatov 07/27/20 12:35:14 AM #27:	No. I dont think any system is fair when two or more sides are present. --- C was right. <cite>zebatov posted [p:942630885] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>No. I dont think any system is fair when two or more sides are present. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GGuirao13 08/01/20 3:35:16 PM #28:	Definitely biased towards the rich, powerful, and well connected. --- Donald J. Trump--proof against government intelligence. <cite>GGuirao13 posted [p:942866580] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>Definitely biased towards the rich, powerful, and well connected. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 08/01/20 3:41:54 PM #29:	Money gates --- Align your chakras, it starts with your breathing. http://www.arfalpha.com/ScienceOfBreath/ScienceOfBreath.htm <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:942866798] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>Money gates </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 08/01/20 3:52:28 PM #30:	How past me didn't post in this topic I don't know. Present me is too flabergasted by past me's inaction to actually post anything relevant at this point. Future me will forget about it. Oh well. --- Agatha "Your naked and they are nuns, it's not your eyes they're not looking at." Glowing Elephant "Stonehedge was a sex thing." <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:942867173] in US Justice... [t:78872217]...</cite> <quote>How past me didn't post in this topic I don't know. Present me is too flabergasted by past me's inaction to actually post anything relevant at this point. Future me will forget about it. Oh well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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