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sktgamer_13dude
07/01/20 12:08:14 AM
#353:


BudDupree48 posted...


He laid it out pretty clean for you

He literally said BLM made the states open quicker.

Just because theres protests, doesnt mean that affected the reopening. B happening after A doesnt mean A caused B.

Some states reopened to please Trump (see: red ones). Some are taking measures approaches. iirc, King just got to phase 2, so idk why that guy is freaking out. iirc, they got modified to a 1.5, but its not like they went to phase 4 immediately. There were more limitations to business that opened than counties in phase 2.

My county is in phase 3 and were just waiting for the rest of the state to catch up. Yakima and Spokane dont want to though.
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prestonluv
07/01/20 12:15:48 AM
#354:


sktgamer_13dude posted...
He literally said BLM made the states open quicker.

Just because theres protests, doesnt mean that affected the reopening. B happening after A doesnt mean A caused B.

Some states reopened to please Trump (see: red ones). Some are taking measures approaches. iirc, King just got to phase 2, so idk why that guy is freaking out. iirc, they got modified to a 1.5, but its not like they went to phase 4 immediately. There were more limitations to business that opened than counties in phase 2.

My county is in phase 3 and were just waiting for the rest of the state to catch up. Yakima and Spokane dont want to though.


there is no way that 14 counties are approved from phase 1 to phase 2 all in the same day. All 14 counties did not meet requirements. There is no way King county gets a modified phase 1 without BLM.

This is no surprise. I agree with everything from opening up to phase two to the protests.

im just stating BLM is the main reason the spike is higher than it would of been otherwise during the reopening.

People who were stuck at home for months were now like F this....all these protestors all able to break social distancing rules so I will too.

I am trying really hard to spell it out while not attacking the movement.

Its just putting two and two together
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prestonluv
07/01/20 12:19:19 AM
#355:


Wasssup Now posted...
This is good news. The science shows mass gatherings are ok as long as its outdoors with masks on. I just don't understand why close public pools and beaches. Just enforce masks better


That is where the double standard takes place.

The same people on here who say the protests did not cause a direct increase in the cases should be supportive of people being able to go to beaches or sporting events held outside being able to have fans.

That is the consistency I am talking about.

If science is proving that the protests did not cause much of a spike than there is really no reason we cannot have fans at outdoor games or people at beaches. Just make masks mandatory if you break the 6 foot barrier while stationary.

As far as eating and drinking at games than people would just need to be respectful. I mean there were a ton of people eating and drinking and not wearing masks at the protests as well.

I just want consistency. Thats how we reduce division and move forward as a whole
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sktgamer_13dude
07/01/20 12:28:44 AM
#356:


prestonluv posted...


there is no way that 14 counties are approved from phase 1 to phase 2 all in the same day. All 14 counties did not meet requirements. There is no way King county gets a modified phase 1 without BLM.

This is no surprise. I agree with everything from opening up to phase two to the protests.

im just stating BLM is the main reason the spike is higher than it would of been otherwise during the reopening.

People who were stuck at home for months were now like F this....all these protestors all able to break social distancing rules so I will too.

I am trying really hard to spell it out while not attacking the movement.

Its just putting two and two together

I mean if its so evident, youd surely have evidence of a government official saying it.
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onedarksoul
07/01/20 12:54:59 AM
#357:


sktgamer_13dude posted...
I mean if its so evident, youd surely have evidence of a government official saying it.
He's not allowed to use deductive reasoning?

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prestonluv
07/01/20 1:50:54 AM
#358:


sktgamer_13dude posted...
I mean if its so evident, youd surely have evidence of a government official saying it.

protests started on the 26-27th.

this was brought up on 29th. The very next Friday 14 counties approved.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.geekwire.com/2020/washington-state-loosens-restrictions-phased-opening-shutdown-order-approaches-expiration/amp/
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skermac
07/01/20 1:51:42 AM
#359:


What happened to summer heat killing the virus? It never happened at least not yet

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lilJoe457
07/01/20 1:54:38 AM
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Because they have a new way of counting. They basically just assume people in contact with a positive test has it. Which explains why cases are spiking but deaths aren't. Either that or they're lying. Or it's getting weaker.

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toyota
07/01/20 2:00:12 AM
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Because health experts literally said that protests (unless it was against stay at home orders) were not risky for coronavirus

Mind you, I support BLM but lets be real here bruh. If anything these Health experts should have promoted safe practices during these protests.
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prestonluv
07/01/20 2:10:35 AM
#362:


lilJoe457 posted...
Because they have a new way of counting. They basically just assume people in contact with a positive test has it. Which explains why cases are spiking but deaths aren't. Either that or they're lying. Or it's getting weaker.

well the southern states are protecting their care centers much better than the north East states did. That much is certain.

Old and at risk people are also isolating better on their own.

Most people testing positive now are under 50. Here is a good link to an email from a doctor. Explains a lot of variables for cases in Texas.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1277773122301804546

The virus might be weaker or the way it interacts with the human body is weaker.

This virus has never been dangerous statistically to anyone under 60 and in decent health. In fact, so far Its less harmful to those under 40 than the flu is. Even more so to those under 20. Half the people who get the flu under 40 dont have zero to Minor symptoms. Almost all are sick for 3-4 days or more.

It seems to thrive inside in cramped areas so bars and restaurants will likely have to keep capacity at below 50% in many places or even 25%.

No pandemic since the Black Plague has ever infected more than 30% of the population before disappearing or reducing in severity. Lets hope that plays out here as well.
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Sayoria
07/01/20 2:24:07 AM
#363:


Because under capitalism, money > lives. So instead of focusing on health of the country, we wanna make billionaires richer!

America is a fucking joke.

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Perthboy
07/01/20 2:27:34 AM
#364:


lilJoe457 posted...
Because they have a new way of counting. They basically just assume people in contact with a positive test has it. Which explains why cases are spiking but deaths aren't. Either that or they're lying. Or it's getting weaker.

That is not surprising, it's the young (BLM protester age bracket) that have seen a surge in cases not the elderly.

BLM protesters ignoring lock down torpedoed any hope of containment. Then there was those gunmen that threaten city officials (something you'd expect from the Taliban) to end lockdown and for some reason the media spun it as a triumph in democracy. Chalk it up to Americans being Americans.

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prestonluv
07/01/20 2:30:35 AM
#365:


Sayoria posted...
Because under capitalism, money > lives. So instead of focusing on health of the country, we wanna make billionaires richer!

America is a fucking joke.


I get the anger and frustration. However if you want to play the lives game than go look at how 2nd and 3rd world countries will be effected because of the shutdown.
Those countries will have children starve to death all because we want to protect the at risk and elderly in first world countries. There are many articles you can research. From Lebanons money being devalued so much that families cant afford food to between 250k to 1.2 million 2nd and 3rd world babies that will die in next year due to economic shutdowns.

There is trade off for everything and an emotional response will provide no answers.

Its easy to criticize flaws while ignoring things that are good. We all do that and America haters are the same way.

I always make a list of everything I like and dislike about people, places and things before making a judgement.

In this case America is pretty cool. It gets a big thumbs up from me as a whole despite some glaring flaws.
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Balrog0
07/01/20 8:26:52 AM
#366:


prestonluv posted...


well the southern states are protecting their care centers much better than the north East states did. That much is certain.

Old and at risk people are also isolating better on their own.

That isn't true, and deaths and hospitalizations are up

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Roxborough4Ever
07/01/20 8:45:08 AM
#367:


it has NOTHING to do with BLM protests...AT ALL...STOP thinking it does!

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Antifar
07/01/20 9:25:10 AM
#368:


Alex Berenson is a total fraud who should not be taken seriously.
https://bit.ly/3ijwItE
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whitehawk1986
07/01/20 10:44:21 AM
#369:


Roxborough4Ever posted...
it has NOTHING to do with BLM protests...AT ALL...STOP thinking it does!

I agree it's not the biggest factor, but to say that large gatherings of thousands of people crammed together in the middle of a Pandemic has had ZERO effect, you're kidding yourself. I support the cause, but large gatherings right now in any capacity are bad for COVID.

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BudDupree48
07/01/20 10:55:42 AM
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lol tracing something that is invisible and doesn't discriminate or care

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NoMeLx22x
07/01/20 11:01:00 AM
#372:


shockthemonkey posted...
But they would be able to trace spikes back to protests if they were the superspreader events that we expected them to be. The fact that they havent is wicked surprising but great news, especially if it shows how we can open up outdoor events.

No one is saying that it's a super spreader event though. Just saying that I'm sure some people got infected during the protests. It's certainly is not that main reason for these spikes at all but I'm sure there is a small percentage of people that got infected from the protests.

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sktgamer_13dude
07/01/20 11:03:08 AM
#373:


prestonluv posted...


protests started on the 26-27th.

this was brought up on 29th. The very next Friday 14 counties approved.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.geekwire.com/2020/washington-state-loosens-restrictions-phased-opening-shutdown-order-approaches-expiration/amp/

Just because B happened after A, doesn't mean A caused B.

Unless you have proof from a government official saying "we opened up earlier because of the BLM protests" you're just spouting conspiracy bullshit because deep down, you disagree with the protests and want to blame black people for everything.
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BudDupree48
07/01/20 11:06:27 AM
#374:


Lol. It doesn't fucking matter if they were protesting purple lives matter. Like it or not gathering 10s of thousands in the streets tightly packed in every single fucking state is going to be bad news during a fucking pandemic. I dont get how you can't process that

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BudDupree48
07/01/20 11:07:25 AM
#376:


shockthemonkey posted...
It feels like you fundamentally have no idea what tracing is in this scenario

It also feels to me like your name is racist but thats just a feeling

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sktgamer_13dude
07/01/20 11:17:20 AM
#377:


shockthemonkey posted...

It feels like you fundamentally have no idea what tracing is in this scenario

I mean he continuously gets butthurt about the protests even with all the information regarding how the protests weren't the reasons for the spike.

I'm not surprised he has no idea what contract tracing actually is.
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BudDupree48
07/01/20 11:19:23 AM
#378:


sktgamer_13dude posted...
contract tracing

Nice. Way to show em how its done

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Thompson
07/01/20 11:22:39 AM
#379:


BudDupree48 posted...
Nice. Way to show em how its done
Can you please explain what contact tracing is and why you think it doesn't work?

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BudDupree48
07/01/20 11:24:23 AM
#380:


Thompson posted...
Can you please explain what contact tracing is and why you think it doesn't work?

Let skater he knows all about it. Definitely nothing false that he says. Contract tracing as he describes it

He might even know the most it seems

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COVxy
07/01/20 11:34:13 AM
#381:


sktgamer_13dude posted...
Just because B happened after A, doesn't mean A caused B.

This is true, it's a necessary condition for causality, but not sufficient.

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Thompson
07/01/20 11:36:34 AM
#382:


BudDupree48 posted...
Let skater he knows all about it. Definitely nothing false that he says. Contract tracing as he describes it

He might even know the most it seems
You're directing me to pay heed to a person you claim to be a liar, which incidentally suggests that you know contact tracing better than he does.

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sktgamer_13dude
07/01/20 12:14:29 PM
#384:


Thompson posted...

You're directing me to pay heed to a person you claim to be a liar, which incidentally suggests that you know contact tracing better than he does.

1 added letter and it's enough for him to deflect and troll more.

He's just a common NFLB troll that has moved to CE to troll about coronavirus.
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BudDupree48
07/01/20 12:16:43 PM
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Not a troll but differing opinions and thinking for myself rather than what I'm told could be viewed trollish by a fragile mind

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Thompson
07/01/20 12:33:31 PM
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In public health, contact tracing is the process of identification of persons who may have come into contact with an infected person ("contacts") and subsequent collection of further information about these contacts. By tracing the contacts of infected individuals, testing them for infection, isolating or treating the infected and tracing their contacts in turn, public health aims to reduce infections in the population.
That makes sense.

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Roxborough4Ever
07/01/20 1:38:36 PM
#387:


BudDupree48 posted...
Lol. It doesn't fucking matter if they were protesting purple lives matter. Like it or not gathering 10s of thousands in the streets tightly packed in every single fucking state is going to be bad news during a fucking pandemic. I dont get how you can't process that

because BLM knows how to wear masks, trust me on this....only 10 people max at your relatives funerals during all of this with THEIR masks but when BLM wears there masks tens of thousands can go to George Flyoods and its a nonfactor

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Bleuets
07/01/20 1:45:20 PM
#388:


Roxborough4Ever posted...
because BLM knows how to wear masks, trust me on this....only 10 people max at your relatives funerals during all of this with THEIR masks but when BLM wears there masks tens of thousands can go to George Flyoods and its a nonfactor

its spelled George Floyd, show some fucking respect.

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coolboy11
07/01/20 1:54:39 PM
#389:


TheGoldenEel posted...
Health officials link surge in coronavirus cases in Pittsburgh area to bars, not protests

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/505142-health-officials-link-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-in-pittsburgh-area-to?amp

Protests in Seattle and elsewhere dont appear to be driving coronavirus surge, researchers say

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/protests-in-seattle-and-elsewhere-dont-appear-to-be-driving-virus-surge-researchers-say/?amp=1

Parties Not Protests Are Causing Spikes In Coronavirus

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/24/883017035/what-contact-tracing-may-tell-about-cluster-spread-of-the-coronavirus

Black Lives Matter protests may have slowed overall spread of coronavirus in Denver and other cities, new study finds

https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/30/police-protests-coronavirus-spread/

COVID-19 has not surged in cities with big protests, but it has in states that reopened early. Here are some possible reasons.

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-no-spike-cities-despite-protests-big-surge-in-states-that-reopened-20200627.html?outputType=amp

More reported COVID-19 cases linked to bars than protests, officials say

https://www.klkntv.com/more-reported-covid-19-cases-coming-from-bars-than-protests-officials-say/

Did protests spread the coronavirus? Here are the Utah numbers and the national research.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/06/27/how-much-did-protests/
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sktgamer_13dude
07/01/20 2:08:36 PM
#390:


coolboy11 posted...

mans came through with RECEIPTS

Not like anyone who's pushing "BLM protests bad!" have or even will read them.
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CADE FOSTER
07/01/20 6:03:55 PM
#391:


lol of course not
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prestonluv
07/01/20 7:09:49 PM
#392:


Roxborough4Ever posted...
it has NOTHING to do with BLM protests...AT ALL...STOP thinking it does!

Indirectly it Does

If it has nothing to do with the increase directly than you should be in support of fans at outdoor sports and concert as long as you wear a mask. Beaches and outdoor parks should be allowed to be full as well

thqt is great news if large groups clustered together outside doesnt help spike cases.

it means all activities outside should be safe as long as a mask is worn.
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prestonluv
07/01/20 7:13:41 PM
#393:


coolboy11 posted...
mans came through with RECEIPTS


if all these are accurate than, as long as a mask is worn, there is zero reason not to open up In full all outdoor activities including fans at outdoor sporting events.

Beaches, parks and all other outdoor venues should be open in full with no restrictions other than a mask.

Its 4th of July weekend lets open everything outside In full as BLM protests proved that mass gatherings outside do not cause a spike
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prestonluv
07/01/20 7:19:36 PM
#394:


Balrog0 posted...
That isn't true, and deaths and hospitalizations are up

Southern states are dramatically protecting them better as a whole.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

This has a lot of good information and shows how that half the cases and deaths so far occurred in 4 states.

The northeast got hit hard and other stats have learned from their mistakes

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BobbyBrownLove
07/01/20 7:22:27 PM
#395:


pinky0926 posted...
Armchair quarterback opinion:
* protests from the left
* the right thinks coronavirus is a hoax
* general fatigue over restrictions means people are taking it less seriously

heh its funny cuz its truuuue...!

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Perthboy
07/01/20 11:05:29 PM
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Wow so much mental gymnastics with those studies and articles. Protesters prevented covid 19 by making other people stay at home, lmao.
Ignoring the root cause, people catching it at rallies and taking it home and spreading it to their communities. The way disease gets spread.

It's whole case was you're 19 times more likely to catch it in a room than in open air. Doesn't factor how people fit in bar and how many attended rallies.

Study hasn't been peer reviewed. Articles don't state source or study. Was it Medicine, Math and Statistics or the Social Science agenda pushing faculty. Articles also say state health officials dispute it's claims and strongly link uptick with rallies.

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prestonluv
07/02/20 12:41:06 AM
#397:


Perthboy posted...
Wow so much mental gymnastics with those studies and articles. Protesters prevented covid 19 by making other people stay at home, lmao.
Ignoring the root cause, people catching it at rallies and taking it home and spreading it to their communities. The way disease gets spread.

It's whole case was you're 19 times more likely to catch it in a room than in open air. Doesn't factor how people fit in bar and how many attended rallies.

Study hasn't been peer reviewed. Articles don't state source or study. Was it Medicine, Math and Statistics or the Social Science agenda pushing faculty. Articles also say state health officials dispute it's claims and strongly link uptick with rallies.


Great news

Mass gatherings outdoor did not cause a surge in cases

As long as masks are worn than we should be able to have parties outside, attend concerts and sporting events as well. The beaches should be open also.

I just want to repeat that enough so people either agree or realize that the protest models might be wrong
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RustyFerret
07/02/20 12:48:20 AM
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I guess we can enjoy the fourth of July then as long as we wear masks and tell our spineless politicians to go f themselves.
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008Zulu
07/02/20 12:57:55 AM
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I don't see America recovering from this for years.

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coolboy11
07/02/20 1:00:37 AM
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experts said full lockdowns weren't practical (the lockdowns weren't evean all that stringent in the first place lol) for quite a while they advocated gradual reopening of events with increased sanitization practices, social distancing and masks, the problem is many of our countrymen and women are dorks who can't do any of those things properly (added in by the rush to "save the economy") which in these goofballs brains means "well I can do whatever I want since I ain't caught the virus yet"


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prestonluv
07/02/20 2:04:34 AM
#401:


008Zulu posted...
I don't see the world recovering from this for years


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CADE FOSTER
07/02/20 2:12:37 AM
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America is run and has the dumbest people on the planet bar none
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