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TheVipaGTS 06/11/20 12:44:29 PM #101:	ToPoPO posted... so the cops were letting him get away until he messed up? No. They told him to swim back, which he did. It was while swimming back that this happened so by all accounts it looked like he was going to surrender himself. It also doesn't say the water was 10 feet. It said he was 10 feet from the bank, in the middle of swimming back to them --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:940500867] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>ToPoPO posted... </cite> <quote>so the cops were letting him get away until he messed up?</quote>No. They told him to swim back, which he did. It was while swimming back that this happened so by all accounts it looked like he was going to surrender himself. It also doesn't say the water was 10 feet. It said he was 10 feet from the bank, in the middle of swimming back to them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 12:44:44 PM #102:	yea I guess. he might have escaped <cite>Zikten posted [p:940500885] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>yea I guess. he might have escaped</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gheb 06/11/20 12:47:06 PM #103:	Asking someone who isn't trained in water rescue techniques to jump into the water, at night, to save a drowning person is pretty close to asking them to kill themselves. If you believe that's a cops duty, then alright but then all cops should have mandatory training in water rescue and be required to carry lifebouys with them at all times. Otherwise you are asking untrained people to make a dangerous situation more dangerous. --- S** I have to stop doing that," Gheb said, as he lay back down and died again.* - Forgotten Love The Chiefs won the Super Bowl! <cite>Gheb posted [p:940500997] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Asking someone who isn't trained in water rescue techniques to jump into the water, at night, to save a drowning person is pretty close to asking them to kill themselves. If you believe that's a cops duty, then alright but then all cops should have mandatory training in water rescue and be required to carry lifebouys with them at all times. Otherwise you are asking untrained people to make a dangerous situation more dangerous. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThisGuyAreSick 06/11/20 12:47:34 PM #104:	Gheb posted... Sure. Swimming culture is one that has primarily developed in rural (due to ponds and natural water structures) and suburban (due to more readily available community pools) areas. In these areas it is expected that parents know how to swim and thus can help teach their children and, particularly in the suburban areas, there are more readily available classes to formally teach children to swim. This in turn leads to another generation of people who can swim and thus will teach their children to do so. Urban areas, where space is more of a premium, have considerably less access to community pools and the pools that are available typically have higher fees for usage. As a result pools are both less available and more costly, making it harder for people growing up in urban areas to regularly swim, particularly people in the lower-classes. As such people growing up in urban areas are less likely to be competent swimmers than ones in suburban or rural areas. This has a generational impact as you have parents that can't swim well who aren't able to teach their children or don't consider swimming to even be all that important. Black people disproportionately live in urban areas and thus are disproportionately impacted by this. This is further compounded by the fact that until the 60's public pools were often segregated thus making learning to swim even more difficult for people of color. Which means that parents were less likely know how to swim, which in turn meant they weren't able to teach their kids, who could not teach their kids. This in no way is to imply that black people cannot swim, but as a result of multiple historical and economic factors make it less likely when compared to your average white individual. could have mistaken this for a stormfront post --- sigless <cite>ThisGuyAreSick posted [p:940501019] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Gheb posted...</cite> <quote> Sure. Swimming culture is one that has primarily developed in rural (due to ponds and natural water structures) and suburban (due to more readily available community pools) areas. In these areas it is expected that parents know how to swim and thus can help teach their children and, particularly in the suburban areas, there are more readily available classes to formally teach children to swim. This in turn leads to another generation of people who can swim and thus will teach their children to do so. Urban areas, where space is more of a premium, have considerably less access to community pools and the pools that are available typically have higher fees for usage. As a result pools are both less available and more costly, making it harder for people growing up in urban areas to regularly swim, particularly people in the lower-classes. As such people growing up in urban areas are less likely to be competent swimmers than ones in suburban or rural areas. This has a generational impact as you have parents that can't swim well who aren't able to teach their children or don't consider swimming to even be all that important. Black people disproportionately live in urban areas and thus are disproportionately impacted by this. This is further compounded by the fact that until the 60's public pools were often segregated thus making learning to swim even more difficult for people of color. Which means that parents were less likely know how to swim, which in turn meant they weren't able to teach their kids, who could not teach their kids. This in no way is to imply that black people cannot swim, but as a result of multiple historical and economic factors make it less likely when compared to your average white individual. </quote> could have mistaken this for a stormfront post</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabusIncarnate 06/11/20 12:47:46 PM #105:	I live sort of close to Decherd, and here we have 3 breeds of rattlesnakes and also water moccasins, which are notorious for being good swimmers, and highly venomous. It's possible the guy got bit in the water while swimming, they are uncommon but i've seen 4 of them myself since i've lived here. Decherd is also a pretty methed out city, with a lot of garbage people, littered with confederate flags and people with no teeth. i'd be interested to see the toxicology report and if this guy was geeked out. That place has a terrible reputation in one of the poorest counties in the entire USA. --- Ten million dollars on a losing campaign, Twenty million starving and writhing in pain. Vicious_Dios Original - https://tinyurl.com/y9fpdoll <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:940501031] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>I live sort of close to Decherd, and here we have 3 breeds of rattlesnakes and also water moccasins, which are notorious for being good swimmers, and highly venomous. It's possible the guy got bit in the water while swimming, they are uncommon but i've seen 4 of them myself since i've lived here. Decherd is also a pretty methed out city, with a lot of garbage people, littered with confederate flags and people with no teeth. i'd be interested to see the toxicology report and if this guy was geeked out. That place has a terrible reputation in one of the poorest counties in the entire USA. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/11/20 12:51:31 PM #106:	Gheb posted... Asking someone who isn't trained in water rescue techniques to jump into the water, at night, to save a drowning person is pretty close to asking them to kill themselves. If you believe that's a cops duty, then alright but then all cops should have mandatory training in water rescue and be required to carry lifebouys with them at all times. Otherwise you are asking untrained people to make a dangerous situation more dangerous. Thats exactly what were asking and were using incidents like this to illustrate that. My concern isnt that they didnt do it. My concern is that we hire people who cant, and that there are people who make excuses for that, acting like we cant or shouldnt make things better for some reason. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:940501193] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Gheb posted... </cite> <quote>Asking someone who isn't trained in water rescue techniques to jump into the water, at night, to save a drowning person is pretty close to asking them to kill themselves. If you believe that's a cops duty, then alright but then all cops should have mandatory training in water rescue and be required to carry lifebouys with them at all times. Otherwise you are asking untrained people to make a dangerous situation more dangerous.</quote>Thats exactly what were asking and were using incidents like this to illustrate that. My concern isnt that they didnt do it. My concern is that we hire people who cant, and that there are people who make excuses for that, acting like we cant or shouldnt make things better for some reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Artemis86 06/11/20 12:52:01 PM #107:	ViewtifulGrave posted... Lol wut??? That sounds ass backwards. So youre telling that the lifeguard broke the rules when he saved my dumbass friend? Did they not bring a flotation device? I took lifeguard certification and the primary thing always emphasized is to never attempt a rescue without one. People half your size can pull you under, in a panic situation your muscles arent constrained by the usual limits put in place to keep you from self-harm. That said, a beat along a body of water should require they know how to swim, and I would find it wise if they added flotation devices to their loadout, but that still wouldnt guarantee that they can safely rescue someone who may yet fight them. <cite>Artemis86 posted [p:940501218] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>ViewtifulGrave posted... </cite> <quote>Lol wut??? That sounds ass backwards. So youre telling that the lifeguard broke the rules when he saved my dumbass friend?</quote>Did they not bring a flotation device? I took lifeguard certification and the primary thing always emphasized is to never attempt a rescue without one. People half your size can pull you under, in a panic situation your muscles arent constrained by the usual limits put in place to keep you from self-harm. That said, a beat along a body of water should require they know how to swim, and I would find it wise if they added flotation devices to their loadout, but that still wouldnt guarantee that they can safely rescue someone who may yet fight them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gheb 06/11/20 12:54:19 PM #108:	TheVipaGTS posted... Thats exactly what were asking and were using incidents like this to illustrate that. My concern isnt that they didnt do it. My concern is that we hire people who cant, and that there are people who make excuses for that, acting like we cant or shouldnt make things better for some reason. And that is fine, but you can't hold that against these particular cops. They didn't have that training because it isn't currently required of them. And one of the cops correctly identified that they lack the training and as such made the sad, but correct decision to not make an already dangerous situation more dangerous. --- S** I have to stop doing that," Gheb said, as he lay back down and died again.* - Forgotten Love The Chiefs won the Super Bowl! <cite>Gheb posted [p:940501322] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>TheVipaGTS posted... </cite> <quote>Thats exactly what were asking and were using incidents like this to illustrate that. My concern isnt that they didnt do it. My concern is that we hire people who cant, and that there are people who make excuses for that, acting like we cant or shouldnt make things better for some reason.</quote>And that is fine, but you can't hold that against these particular cops. They didn't have that training because it isn't currently required of them. And one of the cops correctly identified that they lack the training and as such made the sad, but correct decision to not make an already dangerous situation more dangerous. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 06/11/20 12:55:10 PM #109:	TheVipaGTS posted... Thats exactly what were asking and were using incidents like this to illustrate that. My concern isnt that they didnt do it. My concern is that we hire people who cant, and that there are people who make excuses for that, acting like we cant or shouldnt make things better for some reason. Defund the police! buy swimming pools and make the police life guards! --- https://tinyurl.com/y838ue3p https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:940501354] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>TheVipaGTS posted... </cite> <quote>Thats exactly what were asking and were using incidents like this to illustrate that. My concern isnt that they didnt do it. My concern is that we hire people who cant, and that there are people who make excuses for that, acting like we cant or shouldnt make things better for some reason.</quote> Defund the police! buy swimming pools and make the police life guards! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/11/20 12:55:27 PM #110:	Im holding it against the system and those people defending the actions here. Its scary that well he was a criminal is being seen as valid excuses to not help someone. But Im the crazy one for thinking its a bad idea to let cops pick and choose as they see fit. also theres the tired defund the police response. Look, you can continue to be ignorant to what that means. The reality is its about putting an end to the system as it is and allocating resources to make it better. But you think Im insane for expecting more of cops than most expect of a cashier. Ok. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:940501373] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Im holding it against the system and those people defending the actions here. Its scary that well he was a criminal is being seen as valid excuses to not help someone. But Im the crazy one for thinking its a bad idea to let cops pick and choose as they see fit. also theres the tired defund the police response. Look, you can continue to be ignorant to what that means. The reality is its about putting an end to the system as it is and allocating resources to make it better. But you think Im insane for expecting more of cops than most expect of a cashier. Ok. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gheb 06/11/20 12:57:59 PM #111:	DiegoSanchez206 posted... Defund the police! buy swimming pools and make the police life guards! These aren't inherently contradictory statements. The idea behind defunding the police is to reevaluate where the funding is going and what roles the police should be in charge of. If the idea is that police should be a more general purpose protector, then it does make sense that officers, at least ones that deal with larger bodies of water, be trained in water rescue techniques and thus funding into having access to pools and training would be a reasonable use of funding. --- S** I have to stop doing that," Gheb said, as he lay back down and died again.* - Forgotten Love The Chiefs won the Super Bowl! <cite>Gheb posted [p:940501499] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>DiegoSanchez206 posted... </cite> <quote>Defund the police! buy swimming pools and make the police life guards!</quote>These aren't inherently contradictory statements. The idea behind defunding the police is to reevaluate where the funding is going and what roles the police should be in charge of. If the idea is that police should be a more general purpose protector, then it does make sense that officers, at least ones that deal with larger bodies of water, be trained in water rescue techniques and thus funding into having access to pools and training would be a reasonable use of funding. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 06/11/20 12:59:30 PM #112:	The Supreme Court has already ruled cops have no legal responsibility to risk their own lives to save someone, and trying to rescue a drowning person with no floatation device is how you end up with two drowned people --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:940501572] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>The Supreme Court has already ruled cops have no legal responsibility to risk their own lives to save someone, and trying to rescue a drowning person with no floatation device is how you end up with two drowned people </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gheb 06/11/20 1:00:07 PM #113:	TheVipaGTS posted... Im holding it against the system and those people defending the actions here. Its scary that well he was a criminal is being seen as valid excuses to not help someone. But Im the crazy one for thinking its a bad idea to let cops pick and choose as they see fit. I agree that anyone saying "well he was a criminal" is wrong, but you can defend this particular inaction of the cops without needing to insult the drowning victim. --- S** I have to stop doing that," Gheb said, as he lay back down and died again.* - Forgotten Love The Chiefs won the Super Bowl! <cite>Gheb posted [p:940501608] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>TheVipaGTS posted... </cite> <quote>Im holding it against the system and those people defending the actions here. Its scary that well he was a criminal is being seen as valid excuses to not help someone. But Im the crazy one for thinking its a bad idea to let cops pick and choose as they see fit. </quote>I agree that anyone saying "well he was a criminal" is wrong, but you can defend this particular inaction of the cops without needing to insult the drowning victim. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 06/11/20 1:02:48 PM #114:	Gheb posted... I agree that anyone saying "well he was a criminal" is wrong, but you can defend this particular inaction of the cops without needing to insult the drowning victim. Him being a suspect does play into the situation in this case imo. They were already in conflict with the suspect, and at least one of them was suspicious because the guy appeared to be a good swimmer up until he stopped and drowned. That is a different situation than coming across some random guy (or as said before a 12 year old) drowning in a lake. The police themselves even said they probably would have attempted to help the guy if they weren't worried about him trying to pull the officers under. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:940501723] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Gheb posted... </cite> <quote>I agree that anyone saying "well he was a criminal" is wrong, but you can defend this particular inaction of the cops without needing to insult the drowning victim.</quote>Him being a suspect does play into the situation in this case imo. They were already in conflict with the suspect, and at least one of them was suspicious because the guy appeared to be a good swimmer up until he stopped and drowned. That is a different situation than coming across some random guy (or as said before a 12 year old) drowning in a lake. The police themselves even said they probably would have attempted to help the guy if they weren't worried about him trying to pull the officers under. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 1:03:38 PM #115:	thronedfire2 posted... The Supreme Court has already ruled cops have no legal responsibility to risk their own lives to save someone and this is wrong and evil. and it will soon change within the next few years. as we go through one of the biggest social upheavals in human history <cite>Zikten posted [p:940501769] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote>The Supreme Court has already ruled cops have no legal responsibility to risk their own lives to save someone</quote> and this is wrong and evil. and it will soon change within the next few years. as we go through one of the biggest social upheavals in human history</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 06/11/20 1:05:41 PM #116:	Yeeeeaaaaahhhhhh I cant really be mad at the cops here. --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:940501891] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Yeeeeaaaaahhhhhh I cant really be mad at the cops here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 06/11/20 1:06:17 PM #117:	Zikten posted... and this is wrong and evil. and it will soon change within the next few years. as we go through one of the biggest social upheavals in human history I really doubt this will change at the Supreme Court level. If anybody is going to hold police accountable for not saving civilians it needs to be local officials or whatever policing organization is in place. Edit: I guess you could try to push something through Congress, but neither Biden nor Trump would put their stamp on such an act and conservatives won't support it for an overriding supermajority. To get there you're probably going to have to disband the police union. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:940501920] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>and this is wrong and evil. and it will soon change within the next few years. as we go through one of the biggest social upheavals in human history</quote>I really doubt this will change at the Supreme Court level. If anybody is going to hold police accountable for not saving civilians it needs to be local officials or whatever policing organization is in place. Edit: I guess you could try to push something through Congress, but neither Biden nor Trump would put their stamp on such an act and conservatives won't support it for an overriding supermajority. To get there you're probably going to have to disband the police union. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 1:06:57 PM #118:	Jabodie posted... To get there you're probably going to have to disband the police union. and I think that is going to happen by the end of this decade <cite>Zikten posted [p:940501959] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Jabodie posted...</cite> <quote>To get there you're probably going to have to disband the police union. </quote> and I think that is going to happen by the end of this decade</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/11/20 1:07:39 PM #119:	I'm just wondering at what point is it "okay" to tell a cop to do nothing according to Zikten. Should the cop have gone after him if he ran into a burning building? A gorilla enclosure? A cess pool? Underneath the ice sheet of a frozen lake? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:940501982] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>I'm just wondering at what point is it "okay" to tell a cop to do nothing according to Zikten. Should the cop have gone after him if he ran into a burning building? A gorilla enclosure? A cess pool? Underneath the ice sheet of a frozen lake? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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modena 06/11/20 1:08:11 PM #121:	What about the Florida Man that jumped off a low bridge to flee,but he landed on an alligator. Btw this thread went exactly like I expected. --- I'm surrounded <cite>modena posted [p:940502009] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>What about the Florida Man that jumped off a low bridge to flee,but he landed on an alligator. Btw this thread went exactly like I expected. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 1:09:23 PM #122:	Tyranthraxus posted... Should the cop have gone after him if he ran into a burning building? yes Tyranthraxus posted... A gorilla enclosure? no, a gorrilla would probably end up shot Tyranthraxus posted... A cess pool? not sure what that is. you mean like a pool of radioactive ooze or something? no. unless the cop has a radiation suit on Tyranthraxus posted... Underneath the ice sheet of a frozen lake? if they can survive there then yes. follow. <cite>Zikten posted [p:940502058] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>Should the cop have gone after him if he ran into a burning building?</quote> yes Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>A gorilla enclosure?</quote> no, a gorrilla would probably end up shot Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>A cess pool?</quote> not sure what that is. you mean like a pool of radioactive ooze or something? no. unless the cop has a radiation suit on Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>Underneath the ice sheet of a frozen lake?</quote> if they can survive there then yes. follow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/11/20 1:10:42 PM #123:	Tyranthraxus posted... I'm just wondering at what point is it "okay" to tell a cop to do nothing according to Zikten. Should the cop have gone after him if he ran into a burning building? A gorilla enclosure? A cess pool? Underneath the ice sheet of a frozen lake? On the flip side, at what point is it not ok for the cop to not do anything? Theoretically, if i get shot walking through a bad neighborhood, is it ok for the cops or ambulance to not show up because "that neighborhood is bad and we're afraid we will get shot. he should have known better"? If your reason here is "cops aren't trained to swim" then cool. My concern is with people saying "DARWIN! He shouldn't have ran!"...Implying that the cops can make up any excuse to excuse not doing their job and that to me is a bad idea. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:940502128] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>I'm just wondering at what point is it "okay" to tell a cop to do nothing according to Zikten. Should the cop have gone after him if he ran into a burning building? A gorilla enclosure? A cess pool? Underneath the ice sheet of a frozen lake?</quote>On the flip side, at what point is it not ok for the cop to not do anything? Theoretically, if i get shot walking through a bad neighborhood, is it ok for the cops or ambulance to not show up because "that neighborhood is bad and we're afraid we will get shot. he should have known better"? If your reason here is "cops aren't trained to swim" then cool. My concern is with people saying "DARWIN! He shouldn't have ran!"...Implying that the cops can make up any excuse to excuse not doing their job and that to me is a bad idea. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 06/11/20 1:11:59 PM #124:	Were_Wyrm posted... Even when I was a lifeguard we were trained to never jump in and save someone in the water. Yeah, Im conflicted. I completed life guard training in high school and that experience was difficult. One thing I remember from the drills was how hard it was to rescue someone, if you had to pull their weight in deep water. And thats in calm water, with a drill partner who is not panicking, and I was a fairly strong swimmer. People underestimate that a lot and sometimes end up drowning themselves, while trying to save someone. Ideally, wed like to see the police try to save people in need, but I dont think they are actually trained to do that in the water. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:940502192] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Were_Wyrm posted... </cite> <quote>Even when I was a lifeguard we were trained to never jump in and save someone in the water.</quote> Yeah, Im conflicted. I completed life guard training in high school and that experience was difficult. One thing I remember from the drills was how hard it was to rescue someone, if you had to pull their weight in deep water. And thats in calm water, with a drill partner who is not panicking, and I was a fairly strong swimmer. People underestimate that a lot and sometimes end up drowning themselves, while trying to save someone. Ideally, wed like to see the police try to save people in need, but I dont think they are actually trained to do that in the water. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/11/20 1:12:15 PM #125:	Zikten posted... no, a gorrilla would probably end up shot Ok so protect and serve people unless you have to kill a gorilla to do it. At which point fuck the dumbass for running into the enclosure and hope the gorilla rips him apart. Zikten posted... not sure what that is. you mean like a pool of radioactive ooze or something? no. unless the cop has a radiation suit on Raw sewage basically. Jumping into it can cause blindness, deafness, death via septic shock, or all of the above. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:940502207] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>no, a gorrilla would probably end up shot</quote> Ok so protect and serve people unless you have to kill a gorilla to do it. At which point fuck the dumbass for running into the enclosure and hope the gorilla rips him apart. Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>not sure what that is. you mean like a pool of radioactive ooze or something? no. unless the cop has a radiation suit on</quote> Raw sewage basically. Jumping into it can cause blindness, deafness, death via septic shock, or all of the above. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MuayThai85 06/11/20 1:19:40 PM #126:	Zikten posted... A cashier doesn't need to know how to swim. A cop does. Yes it is their job to swim. You are wrong No it isn't... I've been pretty vocal with my disdain of police lately, but this is a situation where the cops did nothing wrong. Even if all of them could swim, you're going in water with a panicking person who had just lead you on a high speed chase, and that's not a smart decision. Any person (cop or not) who tries to rescue an adult in that situation without a proper flotation device is highly likely to end up dead with the person they tried to rescue. --- How can one person post so much stupid s***? <cite>MuayThai85 posted [p:940502571] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>A cashier doesn't need to know how to swim. A cop does. Yes it is their job to swim. You are wrong</quote>No it isn't... I've been pretty vocal with my disdain of police lately, but this is a situation where the cops did nothing wrong. Even if all of them could swim, you're going in water with a panicking person who had just lead you on a high speed chase, and that's not a smart decision. Any person (cop or not) who tries to rescue an adult in that situation without a proper flotation device is highly likely to end up dead with the person they tried to rescue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/11/20 1:34:48 PM #127:	Jesus. The tag-team meltdown of Zikten and VipaGTS in this topic has been a joy to read, but also a little sad. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:940503235] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote> Jesus. The tag-team meltdown of Zikten and VipaGTS in this topic has been a joy to read, but also a little sad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zano 06/11/20 1:38:10 PM #128:	As someone who is very critical of cops and who advocates for police accountability....I dont fault these two particular cops in this instance. --- https://imgur.com/MDQBi2C <cite>Zano posted [p:940503405] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>As someone who is very critical of cops and who advocates for police accountability....I dont fault these two particular cops in this instance. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 06/11/20 1:40:52 PM #129:	Zikten posted... and this is wrong and evil. and it will soon change within the next few years. as we go through one of the biggest social upheavals in human history You dont just change Supreme Court rulings. Do you even know what evil means? Are you 6? --- https://tinyurl.com/y838ue3p https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:940503522] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>and this is wrong and evil. and it will soon change within the next few years. as we go through one of the biggest social upheavals in human history</quote>You dont just change Supreme Court rulings. Do you even know what evil means? Are you 6? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 06/11/20 1:42:49 PM #130:	TheVipaGTS posted... On the flip side, at what point is it not ok for the cop to not do anything? Theoretically, if i get shot walking through a bad neighborhood, is it ok for the cops or ambulance to not show up because "that neighborhood is bad and we're afraid we will get shot. he should have known better"? If your reason here is "cops aren't trained to swim" then cool. My concern is with people saying "DARWIN! He shouldn't have ran!"...Implying that the cops can make up any excuse to excuse not doing their job and that to me is a bad idea. It is a Darwin situation. You ran into a pond. Running from the police. You died. it is at zero fault of anyone but your actions. --- https://tinyurl.com/y838ue3p https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:940503620] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>TheVipaGTS posted... </cite> <quote>On the flip side, at what point is it not ok for the cop to not do anything? Theoretically, if i get shot walking through a bad neighborhood, is it ok for the cops or ambulance to not show up because "that neighborhood is bad and we're afraid we will get shot. he should have known better"? If your reason here is "cops aren't trained to swim" then cool. My concern is with people saying "DARWIN! He shouldn't have ran!"...Implying that the cops can make up any excuse to excuse not doing their job and that to me is a bad idea.</quote> It is a Darwin situation. You ran into a pond. Running from the police. You died. it is at zero fault of anyone but your actions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 06/11/20 1:52:51 PM #131:	we don't want cops to have to be mental health professionals and social workers we definitely want them to be lifeguards as long as we can blame them though --- Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:940504082] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>we don't want cops to have to be mental health professionals and social workers we definitely want them to be lifeguards as long as we can blame them though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 06/11/20 1:58:50 PM #132:	Well they were right about it being dumb --- Common sense is the most uncommon thing in the world-some dude. <cite>Smackems posted [p:940504388] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Well they were right about it being dumb </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 06/11/20 2:07:53 PM #133:	That is a very police officer thing for those police officers to do unfortunately --- Who can @ Mention me? -Nobody- <cite>Machete posted [p:940504846] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>That is a very police officer thing for those police officers to do unfortunately</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alexanaxela 06/11/20 2:15:48 PM #134:	unfortunately i'm not outraged. He jumped in a lake and swam for a bit. You got 2 officers one of which can't swim, asking 1 person to jump into a lake you've never been in before to save someone thrashing around with no assistance is a recipe for both people to drown --- Tomorrow will be the most beautiful day of Raymond K. Hessel's life. His breakfast will taste better than any meal you and I have ever tasted. <cite>Alexanaxela posted [p:940505203] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>unfortunately i'm not outraged. He jumped in a lake and swam for a bit. You got 2 officers one of which can't swim, asking 1 person to jump into a lake you've never been in before to save someone thrashing around with no assistance is a recipe for both people to drown</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
archedsoul 06/11/20 2:21:46 PM #135:	LMFAO at Zikten and Vipa making absolute fools out of themselves. These guys are not even arguing in reality. Shit is so transparent. Cops are not trained for this stuff and I don't expect them to be because it's extremely risky even when fully trained, just like with fire situations. Which is why they called in the professional team that can handle. They could have definitely handled it better with maybe throwing in a rope or something for him to grab, but to go into the water would be risking their own life. --- "Fear cuts deeper than swords." <cite>archedsoul posted [p:940505476] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>LMFAO at Zikten and Vipa making absolute fools out of themselves. These guys are not even arguing in reality. Shit is so transparent. Cops are not trained for this stuff and I don't expect them to be because it's extremely risky even when fully trained, just like with fire situations. Which is why they called in the professional team that can handle. They could have definitely handled it better with maybe throwing in a rope or something for him to grab, but to go into the water would be risking their own life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anticyclonic 06/11/20 2:37:23 PM #136:	I used to be on a rescue squad. We were trained to keep a distance with drowning people and grab the person from behind, and even how to kick them back if they get too close because a drowning person will climb you and drown you in order to save themselves. We can have a discussion about if officers should receive such training and equipment to carry out these rescues, despite virtually never needing it, but placing the blame on individual officers in this scenario is not something I agree with. --- If this signature appears blue, you need to consider not doing whatever it is you're doing. <cite>Anticyclonic posted [p:940506199] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>I used to be on a rescue squad. We were trained to keep a distance with drowning people and grab the person from behind, and even how to kick them back if they get too close because a drowning person will climb you and drown you in order to save themselves. We can have a discussion about if officers should receive such training and equipment to carry out these rescues, despite virtually never needing it, but placing the blame on individual officers in this scenario is not something I agree with. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skermac 06/11/20 2:56:07 PM #137:	Zikten posted... One of the cops couldn't swim? It should be basic training to learn to swim. Can't swim? You don't deserve to be a cop cops don't need to swim, rare cases like this rarely happen, cops patrol streets not waterways, swimming not required --- To the edge of the universe and back, endure and survive <cite>skermac posted [p:940507078] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>One of the cops couldn't swim? It should be basic training to learn to swim. Can't swim? You don't deserve to be a cop</quote> cops don't need to swim, rare cases like this rarely happen, cops patrol streets not waterways, swimming not required </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/11/20 3:06:24 PM #138:	TheVipaGTS posted... On the flip side, at what point is it not ok for the cop to not do anything? Theoretically, if i get shot walking through a bad neighborhood, is it ok for the cops or ambulance to not show up because "that neighborhood is bad and we're afraid we will get shot. he should have known better"? If your reason here is "cops aren't trained to swim" then cool. My concern is with people saying "DARWIN! He shouldn't have ran!"...Implying that the cops can make up any excuse to excuse not doing their job and that to me is a bad idea. He shouldn't have run but that by it's own doesn't mean anything. He super double ultra should not have run into a lake with no lifejacket and then tried swimming away even if he wasn't being chased by cops. When it comes to things like "bad neighborhoods" Cops are actually trained how to deal with it. At least a little. Cops have appropriate gear to deal with the dangers that might appear in a bad neighborhood. It's the literal job of cops to make bad neighborhoods better. But really here I think most people are dramatically underestimating how difficult it is to save a drowning person. Spend enough time at a pier and you might find yourself in those "only enough time to save 1" things for real because you'll be so fucking exhausted after saving 1 that you can't save any others. Assuming you don't die in the process yourself. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:940507580] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>TheVipaGTS posted... </cite> <quote>On the flip side, at what point is it not ok for the cop to not do anything? Theoretically, if i get shot walking through a bad neighborhood, is it ok for the cops or ambulance to not show up because "that neighborhood is bad and we're afraid we will get shot. he should have known better"? If your reason here is "cops aren't trained to swim" then cool. My concern is with people saying "DARWIN! He shouldn't have ran!"...Implying that the cops can make up any excuse to excuse not doing their job and that to me is a bad idea.</quote> He shouldn't have run but that by it's own doesn't mean anything. He super double ultra should not have run into a lake with no lifejacket and then tried swimming away even if he wasn't being chased by cops. When it comes to things like "bad neighborhoods" Cops are actually trained how to deal with it. At least a little.Cops have appropriate gear to deal with the dangers that might appear in a bad neighborhood.It's the literal job of cops to make bad neighborhoods better.But really here I think most people are dramatically underestimating how difficult it is to save a drowning person. Spend enough time at a pier and you might find yourself in those "only enough time to save 1" things for real because you'll be so fucking exhausted after saving 1 that you can't save any others. Assuming you don't die in the process yourself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 06/11/20 3:08:38 PM #139:	Zikten posted... and this is wrong and evil. and it will soon change within the next few years. as we go through one of the biggest social upheavals in human history Nope Do you think firefighters have to go in burning buildings to rescue people? If its deemed too unstable theyll stand outside with their hoses while your family burns to death, sorry. --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:940507692] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>and this is wrong and evil. and it will soon change within the next few years. as we go through one of the biggest social upheavals in human history</quote> Nope Do you think firefighters have to go in burning buildings to rescue people? If its deemed too unstable theyll stand outside with their hoses while your family burns to death, sorry. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OgesMC 06/11/20 3:32:42 PM #141:	Odoylerules posted... take your gear off and jump in fuck these cops cant do a damn thing right Why did he flee? If he just pulled over and acted civilized none of this would have happened. Guy had to live that wonderful life of crime though, cant resist doing dumb shit but then its someone elses fault. --- Crime doesn't pay. <cite>OgesMC posted [p:940508793] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Odoylerules posted...</cite> <quote>take your gear off and jump in fuck these cops cant do a damn thing right </quote> Why did he flee? If he just pulled over and acted civilized none of this would have happened. Guy had to live that wonderful life of crime though, cant resist doing dumb shit but then its someone elses fault.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YugiNoob 06/11/20 10:12:10 PM #142:	Main points: Guy ran away from the cops, went into the water on his own accord, and put himself in this situation As mentioned many times, cops are NOT required to know how to swim, as water rescues are not part of the job description. Might as well require EMTs to know how to work the equipment in a fire truck. People think saving someone from drowning is like it is in the movies. Some studly guy dives into the water, comes up a second later with the unconscious victim draped around their shoulder, and easily swims back to shore. NO. Drowning people panic and do anything for air, including pushing their attempted rescuers underwater to lift themselves up. Learning how to swim is easy. Learning how to rescue a drowning person is hard. The outrage just seems to be coming out of ignorance from people saying that saving a drowning person is easy, and said people are just covering their ears saying "LALALALALALALA I can't hear you!!!" when tons of people tell them otherwise. --- Bun bun :3 <cite>YugiNoob posted [p:940535682] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Main points: Guy ran away from the cops, went into the water on his own accord, and put himself in this situationAs mentioned many times, cops are NOT required to know how to swim, as water rescues are not part of the job description. Might as well require EMTs to know how to work the equipment in a fire truck.People think saving someone from drowning is like it is in the movies. Some studly guy dives into the water, comes up a second later with the unconscious victim draped around their shoulder, and easily swims back to shore. NO. Drowning people panic and do anything for air, including pushing their attempted rescuers underwater to lift themselves up.Learning how to swim is easy. Learning how to rescue a drowning person is hard. The outrage just seems to be coming out of ignorance from people saying that saving a drowning person is easy, and said people are just covering their ears saying "LALALALALALALA I can't hear you!!!" when tons of people tell them otherwise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vampire_Wreath 06/12/20 11:21:04 AM #143:	thronedfire2 posted... Nope Do you think firefighters have to go in burning buildings to rescue people? If its deemed too unstable theyll stand outside with their hoses while your family burns to death, sorry. Fuck em they shouldn't be Firefighters then the risk comes with the job their lives are not more important than the public they knew that when they signed up --- https://imgur.com/aL6pmIo https://imgur.com/D8kQXbe <cite>Vampire_Wreath posted [p:940558652] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite> <quote>Nope Do you think firefighters have to go in burning buildings to rescue people? If its deemed too unstable theyll stand outside with their hoses while your family burns to death, sorry.</quote> Fuck em they shouldn't be Firefighters then the risk comes with the job their lives are not more important than the public they knew that when they signed up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 06/12/20 1:02:10 PM #144:	Vampire_Wreath posted... Fuck em they shouldn't be Firefighters then the risk comes with the job their lives are not more important than the public they knew that when they signed up Lmao what --- https://tinyurl.com/y838ue3p https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:940563916] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Vampire_Wreath posted... </cite> <quote>Fuck em they shouldn't be Firefighters then the risk comes with the job their lives are not more important than the public they knew that when they signed up</quote>Lmao what </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 06/12/20 1:08:20 PM #145:	I can't really blame the cops tbqh, water rescues are something you typically have special training for, they had no equipment for their own safety, and this was a pitch black lake in the woods at 2 a.m. I am not a cop, and I would not have jumped in either. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:940564198] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>I can't really blame the cops tbqh, water rescues are something you typically have special training for, they had no equipment for their own safety, and this was a pitch black lake in the woods at 2 a.m. I am not a cop, and I would not have jumped in either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deoxxys 06/12/20 3:39:11 PM #146:	Vampire_Wreath posted... Fuck em they shouldn't be Firefighters then the risk comes with the job their lives are not more important than the public they knew that when they signed up Lmao firefighters arent gods, if a portion of burning building falls down on you, youre dead. --- twylite sprinkle http://tinyurl.com/jeqyas3 https://tinyurl.com/mgvx7h2 <cite>deoxxys posted [p:940572002] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Vampire_Wreath posted... </cite> <quote>Fuck em they shouldn't be Firefighters then the risk comes with the job their lives are not more important than the public they knew that when they signed up</quote>Lmao firefighters arent gods, if a portion of burning building falls down on you, youre dead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 06/12/20 3:45:33 PM #147:	Zikten posted... One of the cops couldn't swim? UnlikedMonkey posted... "We are not trained in water rescue -- we do not possess the gear to do that," UnlikedMonkey posted... The rescue squad and dive team were en route --- https://imgur.com/JS8rhmk http://error1355.com/ce/gatorsPENSbucs.html https://imgur.com/pqMQZyw <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:940572335] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>One of the cops couldn't swim?</quote> UnlikedMonkey posted... </cite> <quote>"We are not trained in water rescue -- we do not possess the gear to do that,"</quote> UnlikedMonkey posted... </cite> <quote>The rescue squad and dive team were en route</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BathroomWater 06/12/20 3:52:37 PM #148:	Were_Wyrm posted... Even when I was a lifeguard we were trained to never jump in and save someone in the water. Lmao. I was a lifeguard for 8 years buddy, stop lying. (If youre not lying then holy shit whatever program you trained under needs to be reported.) Im surprised Police arent trained in basic first responding and water rescue. I thought this was going to be a case of him getting caught by a riptide or something, but he drowned yards from them in a way that should have made it obvious he was drowning (drowning can actually be hard to spot but in this case it was very clear). --- "I have a basic understanding of economics." -Broseph_Stalin <cite>BathroomWater posted [p:940572717] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Were_Wyrm posted... </cite> <quote>Even when I was a lifeguard we were trained to never jump in and save someone in the water.</quote> Lmao. I was a lifeguard for 8 years buddy, stop lying. (If youre not lying then holy shit whatever program you trained under needs to be reported.) Im surprised Police arent trained in basic first responding and water rescue. I thought this was going to be a case of him getting caught by a riptide or something, but he drowned yards from them in a way that should have made it obvious he was drowning (drowning can actually be hard to spot but in this case it was very clear). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 06/12/20 3:53:04 PM #149:	People really do expect cops to just throw their lives away at the drop of a dime --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:940572736] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>People really do expect cops to just throw their lives away at the drop of a dime </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heavy_D_Forever 06/12/20 3:54:52 PM #150:	The suspect who jumped in the water basically committed suicide. That's 100% on him, if he didn't jump in the lake he'd still be alive. --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES <cite>Heavy_D_Forever posted [p:940572812] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>The suspect who jumped in the water basically committed suicide. That's 100% on him, if he didn't jump in the lake he'd still be alive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Compsognathus 06/12/20 3:56:24 PM #151:	Vampire_Wreath posted... Fuck em they shouldn't be Firefighters then the risk comes with the job their lives are not more important than the public they knew that when they signed up Why on Earth would anyone ever become a firefighter if they are apparently tasked with throwing their lives away in extremely dangerous, risky scenarios? It can't be the money because it isn't great. --- Gheb is my other account <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:940572870] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Vampire_Wreath posted... </cite> <quote>Fuck em they shouldn't be Firefighters then the risk comes with the job their lives are not more important than the public they knew that when they signed up</quote>Why on Earth would anyone ever become a firefighter if they are apparently tasked with throwing their lives away in extremely dangerous, risky scenarios? It can't be the money because it isn't great. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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