Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 302: No Justice, No Peace

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Seginustemple posted...

So many people I know think Full Metal Jacket is about how badass the U.S. Military is :/

I mean, look how much work it got for R Lee Ermey
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StealThisSheen posted...

I feel like this isn't really a fair representation of things. For one, the bad cop specifically tries to make Jake murder the man and Jake outright refuses, to which then the bad cop kills the man himself. Jake then grabs the gun and has a standoff with the bad cops, until they basically reveal that they can easily make it look like he committed the murder by himself since they had drugged him with PCP previously. The rest of the movie takes place in the exact same day, so there's no telling if he actually would've reported them or not before he ends up just going after the bad cop himself.

If things were exactly as you presented them, then yes, Jake is a bad cop. In the movie itself, it's a lot more murky because he specifically does not go along with the murder or even be silent about it until they frame him on the spot, and then he turns against the corruption like an hour later. Thus, trying to use this example as you're using it is pretty dishonest.

I disagree it is dishonest. He specifically has a chance to report it to the cops at the scene and doesn't. The reason he doesn't is directly spelled out for you that they have him dead to rights if he speaks out against them.

People have said the 3 cops here aided and abetted the murder because they had a legal responsibility to physically stop chauvin, even to the point of shooting chauvin to stop him if necessary.

They shoot him. He confronts them. They concoct a story. He is talked out of his confrontation. He even continues the day on patrol with the officer who did it. He had a chance right then to report it and didn't.

And, he didn't turn against the corruption until the cop tried to have him murdered.

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Corrik7 posted...

People have said the 3 cops here aided and abetted the murder because they had a legal responsibility to physically stop chauvin

Nah
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Corrik what do you think Starship Troopers is about?

What's dishonest is you're painting them all as separate events when they're not. The drugs/robbing/murder are all part of the same scheme, intended to frame him should he speak up about it to the cops that arrive. It's not like he takes drugs, then a week later helps them rub somebody with a fake warrant, then a month later helps them murder somebody, and so on. It's all one big event, and then that evening is when he goes vigilante against the corruption.

So, like said, the movie makes it not so clear cut, since he does the right thing every time he's actually in control and able to do the right thing. Thus, it's much more possible to argue he's a good cop in the context of the movie.

Going by just your list exactly as you wrote it, he's a bad cop.

But how you wrote it leaves out important details, hence the disconnect.

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Maybe we can get the crowds to disperse by saying "Bitches leave."

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Corrik what do you think Starship Troopers is about?

It's a movie that is based in propaganda and is a satire against authoritarian government. It is also fine/fun as a cheesy action flick as well. "You trying to be a hero, Watkins!? Just trying to kill some bugs, sir!"

That said, the propaganda in the movie likely goes beyond even what the movie shows in the starship troopers universe created. In which, the asteroid itself is one that possibly originated from Humans itself and not even the bugs (likely. Though is two different origins for the asteroid in the universe).

The book was interesting itself also. Though completely in a different vein.

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https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/montgomery-county-park-police-looking-for-cyclist-who-attacked-young-people-posting-protest-signs/2321982/

grown ass man assaulting children for posting flyers about George Floyd

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StealThisSheen posted...

What's dishonest is you're painting them all as separate events when they're not. The drugs/robbing/murder are all part of the same scheme, intended to frame him should he speak up about it to the cops that arrive. It's not like he takes drugs, then a week later helps them rub somebody with a fake warrant, then a month later helps them murder somebody, and so on. It's all one big event, and then that evening is when he goes vigilante against the corruption.

So, like said, the movie makes it not so clear cut, since he does the right thing every time he's actually in control and able to do the right thing. Thus, it's much more possible to argue he's a good cop in the context of the movie.

Going by just your list exactly as you wrote it, he's a bad cop.

But how you wrote it leaves out important details, hence the disconnect.

The drugs are a separate incident. The drinking is a separate incident. The fighting off the assaulter with an illegal chokehold is part of a different incident. Same with robbing (which if they had gotten enough there, the final scene likely doesn't happen).

They are all separate incidents that all tie together in the end.

"I noticed you applied that illegal chokehold there. They don't teach that at the academy. - Come on... I was getting my ass kicked"

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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1268622750463062017?s=21

Trump having an EXCEPTIONALLY TOUGH TIME thinking about anything outside of the frame of how it affects him today

I know we're used to Trump giving horrible answers by this point, but this is an all timer.

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Corrik7 posted...

The drugs are a separate incident. The drinking is a separate incident. The fighting off the assaulter with an illegal chokehold is part of a different incident. Same with robbing (which if they had gotten enough there, the final scene likely doesn't happen).

They are all separate incidents that all tie together in the end.

"I noticed you applied that illegal chokehold there. They don't teach that at the academy. - Come on... I was getting my ass kicked"

It's all in the same day. Hence the name "Training Day." And Jake noticeably gets further and further revolted with each passing act.

Like the only thing he does of his own free will that is bad is the "chokehold" scene, but even that's in an instance where he's stopping a rape and trying to stop two guys while Alonzo just watches.

But the point is that the reason you're sitting here arguing that the movie doesn't make him out to be a bad cop while people are saying "Yes Jake is a bad cop" in response to your list is because, again, your list is missing crucial details from the movie. Going just by the list as you put it, there is no debate, he's a bad cop. But it's a misleading list to begin with.

That said it's pointless to argue this further since it's fake.

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This is gonna be a real big one. Cops shove this old
man to the ground (1 dude surrounded by what's approaching 100 officers) and split his head on the concrete. Lots of blood. Thankfully it sounds like he'll live. They put out a statement immediately saying he tripped.

https://twitter.com/WBFO/status/1268712530358292484?s=19

Please note how many officers walk by doing nothing while he's bleeding before one even moves in to check.

I think the reigning champ is still the whole ramble about Elton John records and "This is the only musical: the mouth."

not sure it can be topped

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StealThisSheen posted...

It's all in the same day. Hence the name "Training Day." And Jake noticeably gets further and further revolted with each passing act.

Like the only thing he does of his own free will that is bad is the "chokehold" scene, but even that's in an instance where he's stopping a rape and trying to stop two guys while Alonzo just watches.

But the point is that the reason you're sitting here arguing that the movie doesn't make him out to be a bad cop while people are saying "Yes Jake is a bad cop" in response to your list is because, again, your list is missing crucial details from the movie. Going just by the list as you put it, there is no debate, he's a bad cop. But it's a misleading list to begin with.

That said it's pointless to argue this further since it's fake.

The fact all the incidents take place in the same day doesn't make them the same incidents, Sheen.

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https://twitter.com/wbfo/status/1268712530358292484?s=21

Warning, this is fucking brutal

@Corrik7 do you consider any of these cops who saw a guy fall to the ground and literally a pool of blood form around his head, and yet didnt try to help in any way Good cops?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://twitter.com/wbfo/status/1268712530358292484?s=21

Warning, this is fucking brutal

@Corrik7 do you consider any of these cops who saw a guy fall to the ground and literally a pool of blood form around his head, and yet didnt try to help in any way Good cops?

I'll watch it tomorrow. Family sleeping next to me. I'll get back to ya.

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Corrik7 posted...

The fact all the incidents take place in the same day doesn't make them the same incidents, Sheen.

I said they're all part of the same scheme that is forced upon him. It's not comparable to several unique instances over a longer range of time. He doesn't just decide "yo man gimme some o' dem drugs, I love me some drugs," he's forced to take a marijuana hit at gunpoint and then is told after "btw it's laced with pcp." He doesn't abet the murder, he outright refuses to take part in it and even gets into a standoff with the corrupt cops over it. Yes, he doesn't turn them in immediately, but only because it's a case of like 5 vs. 1 and they're specifically ready to frame him right in that moment, so it wouldn't do any good, anyway. And then at the end he doesn't even kill the bad cop, he just takes his badge and goes to turn him in.

You can't act confused why people are just going "Yeah, he's a bad cop" when you're specifically leaving out details. Yes, if they watched the movie, they may change their opinion, or not have so firm an answer. But your list =/= how it goes down in the movie.

This may be the dumbest argument I've had in these topics yet because this is literally a fictional movie. Maybe I'm just worn down from all the terrible crap going on so arguing about a movie doesn't seem so bad.

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cops did say they were calling the EMTs, which is the right call to make there. so walking away/not touching him is probably correct.

...but those cops gotta go too, with the main one that did the push charged. don't push around old people you moron.

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The "he tripped" part is really emblematic of the entire issue people are having with the police. The violence is what makes individuals bad. The "he tripped" nonsense is what makes the police bad.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://twitter.com/wbfo/status/1268712530358292484?s=21

Warning, this is fucking brutal

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/five-arrested-one-person-injured-after-protest-curfew-in-niagara-square

During the incident, police say one person was injured when he tripped and fell.

for fuck's sake

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I see Tony had me on ignore for some reason.

it's technically true. he did trip and fall.
but only technically true and not at all the reason why, so that's just doubly scummy.

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StealThisSheen posted...

I said they're all part of the same scheme that is forced upon him. It's not comparable to several unique instances over a longer range of time. He doesn't just decide "yo man gimme some o' dem drugs, I love me some drugs," he's forced to take a marijuana hit at gunpoint and then is told after "btw it's laced with pcp." He doesn't abet the murder, he outright refuses to take part in it and even gets into a standoff with the corrupt cops over it. Yes, he doesn't turn them in immediately, but only because it's a case of like 5 vs. 1 and they're specifically ready to frame him right in that moment, so it wouldn't do any good, anyway. And then at the end he doesn't even kill the bad cop, he just takes his badge and goes to turn him in.

You can't act confused why people are just going "Yeah, he's a bad cop" when you're specifically leaving out details. Yes, if they watched the movie, they may change their opinion, or not have so firm an answer. But your list =/= how it goes down in the movie.

This may be the dumbest argument I've had in these topics yet because this is literally a fictional movie. Maybe I'm just worn down from all the terrible crap going on so arguing about a movie doesn't seem so bad.

My list is pretty exact. You are arguing against it for who knows what the reasoning is. So, yes, it is the dumbest argument you ever had.

It was very clear he was going to add Hoyt to the team if he was on board. The pcp was the only thing he did as insurance in case he didn't.

Actually he straight up later on goes "Gimme that beer!".

He took PCP under false pretenses, but he did agree to smoke marijuana not under them. He was given the choice to walk away many times.

He knew the warrant was fake when he went into the house. When the lady questioned the warrant, he even deflected away.

None of these incidents are the same.

Incident 1. Offer beer. I think he refused but maybe he eventually takes it. Forget exactly. Being tested.

Incident 2. Busting college kids. Using questionable tactics to see what Hoyt will accept.

Incident 3. Smoking what he thinks is marijuana. Given chance to walk.

Incident 4. Stopping the rape with questionable choke hold. Further abuse of power by trainer and letting go of perps.

Incident 5. Gimme that beer.

Incident 6. Running down the rapper. Letting him go.

Incident 7. Fake warrant. Stealing of money.

Incident 8. Murder and theft.

(Some may be out of order)

These are all very different incidents in the same day. The literal only thing is that giving him PCP under false pretense was done as an insurance policy.

Dumb argument. Stop arguing it.


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Jakyl25 posted...

Trump having an EXCEPTIONALLY TOUGH TIME thinking about anything outside of the frame of how it affects him today

You know, I almost wonder if Trump manages to make everything about himself, or his staff makes it about him because he won't think about it unless it effects him, and therefore they have to make it about him to get him to do even the simplest of tasks (albeit badly)

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

I see Tony had me on ignore for some reason.

Oh did you post it already? I just missed it is all

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Two of those cops are suspended without pay and internal investigation under way.

That's a huge improvement over the norm.

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Kinglicious posted...

Two of those cops are suspended without pay and internal investigation under way.

That's a huge improvement over the norm.

You say that, but even with a video they still put out an initial statement saying he tripped.

If the video didn't exist there would be no investigation.

But the default action was to say "someone was injured when they tripped and fell".

Yes a suspension is a good thing, but you have to question if that only happened because it was publicized.

The world isn't going to have every wrongdoing on camera. They are going to have to do the right thing first and not in reaction to outcry.

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of course it was only done because this was public in a high stress time period. obviously there's a lot wrong behind the scenes here that had them try to get away with it.

still a major improvement over the norm.

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and let's start this up.
https://twitter.com/closedprayer/status/1267971181715632129

we're about a week into this, right? yeah, that's when we start getting results. some initial after 3-4 days, a few more in 7, and a lot more in 10-14. some databases might take 3 weeks too.

so stuff between now and mid/late June will all be reflective.

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https://twitter.com/70Ceeks/status/1268732253888184323?s=19

Wanglicious posted...

and let's start this up.
https://twitter.com/closedprayer/status/1267971181715632129

we're about a week into this, right? yeah, that's when we start getting results. some initial after 3-4 days, a few more in 7, and a lot more in 10-14. some databases might take 3 weeks too.

so stuff between now and mid/late June will all be reflective.

Theres the protests AND the Memorial Day nonsense. Its gonna be bad
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https://twitter.com/jp_on_rye/status/1268579380743176192?s=21
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I watched that video since they are asleep now. Pretty upsetting. I don't know who actually did the push to cause him to fall. I think the guy on our right did.

The one cop stopped to assist but his superior pushed him back into line while radioing for a medic.

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mayor and police commissioner both had the right response.
https://twitter.com/WBFO/status/1268741577230475267

so at least they're trying to minimize the damage. which, somehow, is way better than most other PDs right now.

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Wanglicious posted...

mayor and police commissioner both had the right response.
https://twitter.com/WBFO/status/1268741577230475267

so at least they're trying to minimize the damage. which, somehow, is way better than most other PDs right now.

I am not entirely sure the guy on the left did anything wrong. He seems to be discussing with the guy. I think the guy in the right pushes him and the guy behind the cop on the left pushed him forward. The guy on the left tried to check on him and is pushed back into line and radios for help. I need to rewatch it again tho. A lot going on in that.

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https://twitter.com/hermanywong/status/1268754746090946560?s=21

fearmongering about antifa is getting out of hand
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

https://twitter.com/hermanywong/status/1268754746090946560?s=21

fearmongering about antifa is getting out of hand

Just in case anyone just reads the headline, it's way more insane than you even think.

The family had shopped for camping supplies at Forks Outfitters and were confronted by seven or eight carloads of people in the grocery store parking lot, Anderson said they reported to deputies.

The people in the parking lot repeatedly asked them if they were Antifa protesters. The family told the people they werent associated with any such group and were just camping, the press release said.
The family had to drive their bus around vehicles in the parking lot in order to get back onto Highway 101.

The family told deputies that at least four vehicles followed them as they drove northbound out of Forks. They said that two of the vehicles had people in them carrying what appeared to be semi-automatic rifles.

They drove their bus up the A Road and onto a logging spur road, where they pitched a tent to camp for the night, they told deputies, but then heard gunshots in the distance and power saws down the road from where they were camping. They packed their camp to leave.

This is Trump's base.

Dude that is literally horror movie shit.

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Jesus.

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1268754050109014017?s=19

wow...

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In something lighter, the actual ANTIFA spy has been found.

https://twitter.com/the1janitor/status/1268752845056155650?s=19

UshiromiyaEva posted...

In something lighter, the actual ANTIFA spy has been found.

https://twitter.com/the1janitor/status/1268752845056155650?s=19

I can't wait to see Kanye fans react to this, assuming it's true. Just looking at the behavior of some I knew, it didn't surprise me when it seemed like Kanye liked Trump, since in my experience both fanbases would twist themselves in knots to support their man in everything he said. It'll be interesting to see them backtrack about how obvious it is from Kanye's worldview that he would be a fan of Trump and how we just don't understand how he thinks

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If Kanye was totally faking he did a really convincing job
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Kanye's like those movie detectives that go undercover but then get too undercover and become the criminal themselves

Except Kanye's going undercover as Kanye and he's getting in too deep.

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Kanye is Robert Downey Jr in Tropic Thunder.

He's a Kanye playing a Kanye disguised as another Kanye.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

This is gonna be a real big one. Cops shove this old
man to the ground (1 dude surrounded by what's approaching 100 officers) and split his head on the concrete. Lots of blood. Thankfully it sounds like he'll live. They put out a statement immediately saying he tripped.

https://twitter.com/WBFO/status/1268712530358292484?s=19

Please note how many officers walk by doing nothing while he's bleeding before one even moves in to check.

America: "Cops please be less racist."
Cops: "Ok cool assault white people too, got it."
America: "No wait hold on."

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

This is gonna be a real big one. Cops shove this old
man to the ground (1 dude surrounded by what's approaching 100 officers) and split his head on the concrete. Lots of blood. Thankfully it sounds like he'll live. They put out a statement immediately saying he tripped.

https://twitter.com/WBFO/status/1268712530358292484?s=19

Please note how many officers walk by doing nothing while he's bleeding before one even moves in to check.

I want to agree with the protest, because its clear that cops in the US are not held to any standard, but that dude literally walked up and tried to reach for the one cops gun? WTF did he think was going to happen?

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You're an idiot.

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1268774178154561541?s=19

This is a fantastic thread showcasing all of the rioting, dectruction, and assaults being performed by the police BTW. Literally hundreds.