Poll of the Day > Sacramento Kings announcer resigns after tweeting All Lives Matter

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He should not have been fired, however he put himself in a really weird situation.

He seemed like he was being super nice and genuine, but really chose the wrong slogan to say...

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who cares its the kings

just kidding, I dont think so cos he sounded like he was just ignorant and trying to say the right thing but ended up sticking his foot in it. If I recall one of the Spurs announcers did something similar, but literally I think I might have been the only person who noticed it (also it wasnt nearly as inflammatory as this) and nothing really happened to him.

so nah it was dumb but doesnt deserve a firing or resignation

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What a fucking closet racist. Unless he's been living under a rock for the past few years, there's no way he doesn't know what ALM means.
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Lol.

lihlih posted...

What a fucking closet racist. Unless he's been living under a rock for the past few years, there's no way he doesn't know what ALM means.

maybe he didn't really know what alm means. Do all lives, not matter?

CedarPointcp posted...

maybe he didn't really know what alm means. Do all lives, not matter?

He works in the media profession, and even the laymen nowadays knows what ALM means.
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dumb thing to say out loud or in writing

I think a lot of people dont understand that BLM is basically saying that all lives do indeed matter, but that the message is that black peoples lives are often seen as less valuable or not as crucial to protect, and in a fair and just society every individual should be equally valued and protected against harm

when you respond to BLM by saying ALM, youre essentially saying that there is no problem with the way things are

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Mead posted...

when you respond to BLM by saying ALM, youre essentially saying that there is no problem with the way things are

That just sounds like the same toxicity as the pro-choice vs pro-life wording.

What is it about the twisting of slogans, that it can make a literal and correct wording of a sentiment, mean the exact opposite?

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It downplays the shit out of the movement. Nobody goes up to someone raising awareness for breast cancer and says "ALL cancer is important!"

If it occurs to you for one second that the movement is trying to diminish the importance of anyone else, you may well be biased to think that way.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

That just sounds like the same toxicity as the pro-choice vs pro-life wording.

What is it about the twisting of slogans, that it can make a literal and correct wording of a sentiment, mean the exact opposite?

Well if you read the rest of my post maybe that will help

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Itt: Gatekeeping.

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Someone said something shortsighted and was fired for it?

Shocking.

Fired because he thought his life mattered too lol
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lihlih posted...

He works in the media profession, and even the laymen nowadays knows what ALM means.

Can you guys explain what you think ALM means?

It was already explained ITT.

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Trying to post on social media without understanding what Black Lives Matter means as a movement?
He deserves anything he gets.

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Everything you do has consequences. How stupid does someone have to be to do that? At this point it's not humanly possible for someone to make that comment and be unaware it is going to be taken as attempting to demean them.
BeerOnTap posted...

Can you guys explain what you think ALM means?

It's an insult at this point, a thing conservatives say to try dismissing the concerns of black americans.

Serves him right

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So we're not allowed to have free speech anymore in usa? This is very sad

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BlackScythe0 posted...

It's an insult at this point, a thing conservatives say to try dismissing the concerns of black americans.

Ignoring that this isnt everyone's intention (whether you like it or not), if the "movement" coopted the mantra and made it their own then it'd be disarmed. At its best BLM is about law enforcement reform, why does that hinge on black designation? If they adopted ALM it would still be a reform, prominently featuring black people and have black figureheads, while garnering a hell of a lot more support by not pitting themselves against literal everybody else and losing the message in their name.

Remember how "fake news" started as a liberal offense against Trump? Trump managed to make it his own. Imagine if that happened here instead of insisting on racial divide.

But nooo, modern day identity and outrage culture would never allow it. It's us vs them with no compromise or understanding. Welcome to the black rights movement, because that has such a better message than equal rights.

I promise this isnt crazy.

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CedarPointcp posted...

maybe he didn't really know what alm means. Do all lives, not matter?

Responding to these protests with "all lives matter" is like responding to the firefighters hosing down your neighbour's burning house with "all houses matter." All houses do matter, and should they catch fire, all should receive such attention from the fire department, but pointing that out as though focusing on the currently-burning building instead of giving equal attention to the non-burning ones is somehow erroneous doesn't help anyone and just makes you look like a tool.

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lihlih posted...

He works in the media profession, and even the laymen nowadays knows what ALM means.

it means that all lives matter

what people want it to mean is something else

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These analogies are really shitty.

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Galcian posted...

So we're not allowed to have free speech anymore in usa? This is very sad

in no way was his speech restricted or stifled

like anything else in life though, what you say can have consequences


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helIy posted...

it means that all lives matter

what people want it to mean is something else

Effective communication requires one to take into account how one's audience will interpret what one says. If I say "barnacles are delicious" in an effort to communicate the point that I like playing video games, I shouldn't be at all surprised if people don't understand that point and instead call me weird for eating barnacles. That's an extreme example, obviously, since that's me making up a definition for those words that has absolutely nothing to do with anything outside of my own head, but the point remains that connotations exist beyond the strict literal interpretations of words - often provided by contextual clues - and must be taken into account in using such words.

Veedrock- posted...

These analogies are really shitty.

You're welcome to elaborate if you feel that's a claim you can actually defend.

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helIy posted...

it means that all lives matter

what people want it to mean is something else

That's not what it means, helly. Don't be that guy.

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EvilMegas posted...

That's not what it means, helly. Don't be that guy.

i mean that is literally what it means

people want it to mean something else entirely though

and then you have people who have no idea that people think it means something else entirely, so then they get upset when someone gets upset at them for saying it even though they didnt have those intentions to begin with

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helly. Don't die on this hill, that isn't what it means.

The fact that the statemeant was meant to counter black people saying their lives matter or the fact that despite saying that all lives matter the people that tout that nonsense have never lifted a finger to match their words.

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im so tired of the bickering

teddy241 posted...

im so tired of the bickering

K, bye.

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EvilMegas posted...

helly. Don't die on this hill, that isn't what it means.

The fact that the statemeant was meant to counter black people saying their lives matter or the fact that despite saying that all lives matter the people that tout that nonsense have never lifted a finger to match their words.

except it wasnt

it is what people want it to mean now though

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...I dont want to get warned. Imma let you keep thinking that, helly.

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and i will, because thats literally what it has always meant

im not arguing about what it means now, you butt


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Do the B's not consider themselves part of the A?

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adjl posted...

You're welcome to elaborate if you feel that's a claim you can actually defend.

I have to defend an observation? Jfc.

The problem with the two analogies is they're positive scenarios trying to apply to a negative situation. You're equating putting out fires to cops killing people. There's no equivalency there and the scenario is completely unrealistic, ie it's a shitty analogy. If you believe in all seriousness that "ALM" wants cops to remain unaccountable, you need a serious reality check.

Something better would be robbery. Say there's houses across town painted different colors, but a group of thieves primarily robs blue houses. If the blue houses came out and said "stop robbing blue houses," you can believe other houses are going to take issue and suggest not robbing any houses, because why does the blue need designated? It's wrong regardless of house.

Is this cop killing shit largely a race problem? Absolutely. Does the response have to hinge exclusively on race? Absolutely fucking not.

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The slogan should be Black Lives Also Matter.

It shuts down the "all lives matter" people, and you can just shout BLAM!

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Zareth posted...

The slogan should be Black Lives Also Matter.

It shuts down the "all lives matter" people, and you can just shout BLAM!

This is a reasonable and well thought out compromise. 10/10

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That won't instantly be turned a joke about blacks and gun violence.

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Veedrock- posted...

If they adopted ALM it would still be a reform, prominently featuring black people and have black figureheads, while garnering a hell of a lot more support by not pitting themselves against literal everybody else and losing the message in their name.

That was done by everyone else.

Veedrock- posted...

It's us vs them with no compromise or understanding.

The absolute irony!

Zareth posted...

The slogan should be Black Lives Also Matter.

It shuts down the "all lives matter" people, and you can just shout BLAM!

Damn; I like this.

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Veedrock- posted...

Ignoring that this isnt everyone's intention (whether you like it or not), if the "movement" coopted the mantra and made it their own then it'd be disarmed. At its best BLM is about law enforcement reform, why does that hinge on black designation? If they adopted ALM it would still be a reform, prominently featuring black people and have black figureheads, while garnering a hell of a lot more support by not pitting themselves against literal everybody else and losing the message in their name.

Remember how "fake news" started as a liberal offense against Trump? Trump managed to make it his own. Imagine if that happened here instead of insisting on racial divide.

But nooo, modern day identity and outrage culture would never allow it. It's us vs them with no compromise or understanding.

I promise this isnt crazy. Stop labeling everyone's intention of ALM and take control of it.

Irrelevant. "All lives matter" started as a politician attempting to avoid taking a stance on an issue and trying to get someone to shut up.

At this point everyone who says "all lives matter" knows what they are doing. It's been over 4 years.

EvilMegas posted...

That won't instantly be turned a joke about blacks and gun violence.

You mean something actually worth taking offense at and showing one's true colors unlike ALM?

The topic poll doesn't match the narrative you desire.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Irrelevant.

Oh ok.

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Veedrock- posted...

You mean something actually worth taking offense at and showing one's true colors unlike ALM?

The topic poll doesn't match the narrative you desire.

Oh ok.

So you're literally just going to ignore how it doesn't matter and anyone even slightly aware of current events is going to make that statement fully understanding what they are doing.

You can't say that! That's like saying you want to make America great again. That's the equivalent of hate speech somehow. You hate black people! Quit being racist! It's about being a decent hooman being!

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EvilMegas posted...

He should not have been fired, however he put himself in a really weird situation.

are you saying not all lives matter?
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Veedrock- posted...

You're equating putting out fires to cops killing people.

No. I'm equating a house being on fire to cops killing people. Both problems in a broad hypothetical sense, but they are problematic in a more immediate practical sense for a narrow subset that therefore warrants closer scrutiny.

Veedrock- posted...

If you believe in all seriousness that "ALM" wants cops to remain unaccountable, you need a serious reality check.

Given that it's usually spouted in an effort to dismiss BLM-related complaints? It absolutely does, whether that's a conscious implication or not. The complaint is that cops are killing too many non-violent people, who happen to be predominantly black. Fixating on an inaccuracy in the movement's name instead of saying "yes this is a problem let's hold police accountable" ignores that complaint.

Veedrock- posted...

Is this cop killing s*** largely a race problem? Absolutely. Does the response have to hinge exclusively on race? Absolutely f***ing not.

It doesn't, but movements like this often end up with names that don't necessarily accurately reflect the scope that they grow into. Nobody that has paid any attention to the issue actually thinks that anyone is saying "once police brutality toward black people stops we're good regardless of what they do to everyone else," which is the only possible concern that could be addressed with the correction of "all lives matter." To that end, taking umbrage to people who feel the need to make that correction (particularly where, more often than not, they're doing so with the intent of saying "you don't have a real point stop whining") is not unreasonable.

Quite simply, if you're concerned about police brutality toward non-blacks (which is a very legitimate issue in its own right), BLM is still a suitable vehicle through which to act on those concerns, since anything done to curb police brutality toward blacks will ultimately curb police brutality overall. Are non-blacks left out of the name? Yep. That's kind of unfortunate. But there's no reason to feel like that limits it in any way.

helIy posted...

i mean that is literally what it means

adjl posted...

connotations exist beyond the strict literal interpretations of words - often provided by contextual clues - and must be taken into account in using such words.

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

are you saying not all lives matter?

Nope. That's what BLM is about. Next!

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lihlih posted...

What a fucking closet racist. Unless he's been living under a rock for the past few years, there's no way he doesn't know what ALM means.

Uh it means ALL lives matter...unless you only favor one type of person? Maybe males over females? Maybe Asians over Mexicans? IDK but last I checked ALL lives should matter not just 1 type is more important than another. Equality for all.

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but what about mexican-americans?

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