Current Events > Black man shot/killed while jogging by citizens, still no charges months later

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Zimmerman did not need to walk down a public street no.

Nobody needs to walk down a public street.

He commited zero crimes in walking down a public street. (I shouldn't have to need to explain that)

And he doesn't deserve to be violently murdered in the street for walking down a public street (I REALLY shouldn't even have to explain that, the fact you believe it is terrifying and dangerous)

And he has every right to defend himself from someone trying to do that.

You will never ever address why you think of any of this is acceptable. You will just evade it, insult people and run away.

Hell you've flat out deflected from the fact no detail in this crime is comparable to the Trayvon/Zimmerman incident.
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Again, thats your own twisted logic. A strawman at that. Dont put words in other peoples mouths.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

You will never ever address why you think of any of this is acceptable. You will just evade it, insult people and run away.

Rika_Furude posted...

Again, thats your own twisted logic. A strawman at that. Dont put words in other peoples mouths.

Called it.

Also hilarious (Well it would be if it wasn't sad) that you consider "it's wrong to try to murder someone for walking down a public street" "Twisted logic."

I think the Joker agrees with you.
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You didnt call jack shit. Your only posts are strawmans.

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"UnfairRepresent posted...

You will never ever address why you think of any of this is acceptable. You will just evade it, insult people and run away.

Rika_Furude posted...

You didnt call jack shit. Your only posts are strawmans.

Called it.

When you actually say something, anything whatsoever at all that isn't just an evason or an insult I'll respond.

Until then I'll stop responding to you because literally all you do is ignore every point, argument and fact raised, say something nonsensical then insult people and it's silly.

So I'll just repeat: Hopefully one day you'll actually open your mind a little and think. And leave it there
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Nobody has insulted you. Get off your high horse. How about you provide a timestamp of a trial recording that proves trayvon was stalking zimmerman and not the other way around. And then try twisting your logic some more like you always do. Nobody ever sides with you because of shit like this UR

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Orlando_Jordan posted...

Do we know for a fact that he WASN'T the burglar?

He behaved aggressively and tried to grab a shotgun instead of saying "I'm not the burglar." That leads me to believe he could actually be the burglar.

The moment he started a fight with someone who had a gun was the moment he fucked up, regardless of whether he was the burglar or not.

Do we know for a fact that this ISNT a shitposter?

He defended a killer who chased a jogger down and murdered them in cold blood for no reason instead of saying Im not a shitposter. That leads me to believe he could actually be a shitposter.

The moment he started vomiting nonsense garbage on to his keyboard was the moment he fucked up, regardless of whether he was the shitposter or not.

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Oh of course UR takes this topic as an opportunity to defend George Zimmerman lmfao

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Shablagoo posted...

Oh of course UR takes this topic as an opportunity to defend George Zimmerman lmfao

I didn't bring it up. I just responded to other users who like you lied repeatedly.

I didn't even "defend" anyone. I just explained that this case is nothing like the Trayvon one and why. But you know this full well because you joined the "just evade all points, lie and insult people" crowd as it's all you have.
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Nah dude I didnt read through the entire topic, I just made my post and then saw you shilling for Zimmerman a couple posts back. It was funny because I wasnt expecting it, but it also was to be expected.

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"This is factually what the court said. These events are completely different to those events."

"You're shilling for Zimmerman and defending him! but I didn't read it lolz that's totally the reason why I have no argument or point or anything constructive but still make time and effort to evade every point made lie about what you said and insult you"

You're so utterly full of shit man.
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Ive seen your shtick on the Trayvon case before. You have a fantastical view of the events that transpired. Its pointless trying to be constructive with you on this matter, because your version of that night is completely divorced from reality.

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Shablagoo posted...

You have a fantastical view of the events that transpired.

I literally follow the court case. How is that fantastical? A literal court of law disputed this for an extended period of time and came to very dry conclusions over basic facts.

You can go and view it yourself. You actively aggressively refuse too because you don't like it.

Its pointless trying to be constructive with you on this matter, because your version of that night is completely divorced from reality.

I literally follow the court case. All I do is point out undisputed facts. Which you can't counter

Also you're a massive hypocrite. You're calling the trial divorced from reality, while lying about what I say and having no counter for the points.

If you really thought the trial was divorced from reality you wouldn't lie about me and insult me and waste time doing this shit, you'd point out how it was wrong in anyway. You can't do that. All you can do is evade, and insult.

Fallacies, ad hominems.

No response to:

Travyon left his home, followed Zimmerman. Jumped out from a bush, attacked Zimmerman, mounted him and punched his face repeatedly. The back of Zimmerman's head smashed into the sidewalk on each blow, blood was pouring into Zimmerman's eyes and mouth so he couldn't see or breathe, he was pleading for mercy and Travyon was continuing to punch him while saying he was going to die. Then Zimmerman shot Trayvon, didn't realize Trayvon had died and tried to restrain him.

These guys grabbed a shotgun, chased this dude in a truck, jumped out of their truck with their gun out yelling and screaming at him, then shot him when he came at them in fear.

If you're legimately claiming that you cannot tell the difference between these two events then you're either a liar or insane IMO. The difference is night and day.

Defending yourself from someone who followed you, attacked you and was beating you to death

vs

Chasing someone in a truck (with 2 of you) and screaming at them while jumping out and waving a gun around.

The former is obvious 101 Self-defense, almost a literal textbook hypothetical explaination of what self-defense is.

The later is 2 crazy dudes acting like violent criminals.

Simple fact. The cases are nothing alike
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DarkRoast posted...

Meanwhile conservatives can dress like this and march on government property and have no problems. It's disgusting.

Dont worry. A prospective employer will see pictures like this on their social media accounts later. Then theyll be punished.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Travyon left his home, followed Zimmerman

Didnt we already talk about this years ago?

Trayvon never made it home

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The entire legal system of that district should be overturned and reelected with previous position holders ineligible for public office ever again.

And the people who killed the black man for defending himself should be imprisoned without parole

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Wow, I just saw a video of this (Shaun King posted on his Facebook), just awful

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parabola_master posted...

Wow, I just saw a video of this (Shaun King posted on his Facebook), just awful

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parabola_master posted...

Wow, I just saw a video of this (Shaun King posted on his Facebook), just awful

It's pretty sickening.

These guys not even being charged is insane
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Fuck the state of Georgia. If you watch that video and still defend these people fuck you too.

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https://www.ajc.com/news/local/bring-charges-against-brunswick-shooter/fz7taEww0Nqfedg8JgXm2K/

Going to a grand jury

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Good
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

https://www.ajc.com/news/local/bring-charges-against-brunswick-shooter/fz7taEww0Nqfedg8JgXm2K/

Going to a grand jury

Sorry, found that the family owes the shooter a million dollars for pain and suffering. Better luck next time!

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So they shit him just for the hell of it according to the call they had with the police and then changed the story right?

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always saddens me how when something like this happens, the person that kills someone else just makes up whatever they want about the person they killed and the police just believe it
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El Mexicano Texano posted...

So they shit him just for the hell of it according to the call they had with the police and then changed the story right?

Not for the hell of it, no.

They murdered him because he was black, from everything we can see and they've told us.

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Fucking bullshit man. Why are they walking free?

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Houston posted...

Here's why there may be no charges (from the article):

"He said the father and son had "probable cause" to believe the victim might be a burglar and were within their rights to arm themselves and chase him down.
The prosecutor said video footage of the shooting, made by a neighbor, shows Arbery to be the aggressor.
"Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself," according to the memo, reported in the New York Times."

look I'm all for getting the full story, both sides ect, perfect example the Mike Brown debacle....but this is 100% cut and dry, even moreso than Zimmerman. How are you supposed to react if someone pulls up on you with a fucking shotgun??

Alexanaxela posted...

always saddens me how when something like this happens, the person that kills someone else just makes up whatever they want about the person they killed and the police just believe it

Only if the assailant is white*

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is true the video shows they were waiting for him?

if is true

how did they know WHERE to wait for him ?

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okay what house was burglarized and what was taken? we need facts? not some bullshit story.

from the video it looks like cut and dry murder. The dude was jogging I call bullshit on their allibai

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bobbysjoby2 posted...

Arbery to be the aggressor.

He's been the aggressor cause this guy is trying to murder him come on!

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if a guy gets the jump on you and it's either fight or flight good chances your dead anyways. He'll shot him in the back.


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then why was his boy shooting him too?

you ain't supposed to take the law in your own hands BS up and down man. come on ...........

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Incident report
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf

District Attorney's letter
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6916-george-barnhill-letter-to-glyn/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Some key points here, there's more there so check it out

It appears Travis McMIchael, Greg McMichael, and Bryan William were following, in 'hot pursuit', a burglary suspect, with solid first hand probable cause, in their neighborhood, and asking/telling him to stop. It appears their intent was to stop and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived. Under Georgia Law this is perfectly legal.

The angle of the shots and the video show this was from the beginning or almost immediately became-- a fight over the shotgun. Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself. Just as importantly, while we know McMichael had his finger on the trigger, we do not know who caused the firings. Arbery would only had to pull the shotgun approximately 1/16th to 1/8th of one inch to fire the weapon himself and in the height of an altercation this is entirely possible. Arbery's mental health records & prior convictions help explain his apparent aggresive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man.

McMichael stated there have been several Break-ins in the neighborhood and further the suspect was caught on surveillance video. McMichael stated he was in his front yard and saw the suspect from the break-ins "hauling ass" down Satilla Drive toward Burford Drive. McMichael stated he then ran inside his house and called to Travis (McMichael) and said, "Travis the guy is running down the street lets go". McMichael stated he went to his bedroom and grabbed his .357 Magnum and Travis grabbed his shotgun because they "didn't know if the male was armed or not". McMichael stated, "the other night" they saw the same male and he stuck his hand down his pants which lead them to believe the male was armed.

OCGA 17-4-60 "A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

However, since we were initially requested to handle the case the victim's mother has clearly expressed she wants myself and my office off the case. She sees a conflict in that my son works in the Brunswick District Attorney's Office where Greg McMichael retired some time ago. She believes there are kinships between the parties [there are not[ and has made other unfounded allegations bias[es]. As such, I believe it is better for my office to step out and am going to recuse myself and the Assistants working for me from handling the case. I am contacting the Georgia Attorney General Office and seeking their assistance in finding another District Attorney in the State to handle the further 'evaluation for prosecution' in this case.

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Here's a good article on exactly what happened and why this is a modern day lynching, period.

https://thedispatch.com/p/a-vigilante-killing-in-georgia?fbclid=IwAR19It-E2cR1cCRh8LKj0EKRkeH0WssZgzfhmc4CasEdWBi1sJeG0Cg6_kQ

Funbazooka posted...

What crime was committed? Jogging while black?

Just because they think hes the suspect doesnt mean they can take the law into their hands and chase someone with guns.

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sktgamer_13dude posted... What crime was committed? Jogging while black?

Just because they think hes the suspect doesnt mean they can take the law into their hands and chase someone with guns.

Citizen's arrest is legal in Georgia. There were break-ins, he was caught on surveillance video, according to them. Moments earlier before the shooting, another resident saw him lurking around in a house under construction. Not that these guys were aware of, but the suspect has a criminal record, a shop lifting conviction, violation of probation, and he had also taken a gun to a school basketball game. They'd seen him reaching down into his pants in such a way they were worried he was carrying a gun as well.

https://newsone.com/3933484/citizens-arrest-law-defend-white-man-accused-of-killing-ahmaud-arbery/

On the day of the shooting, supposedly moments before the chase, a resident of Satilla Shores dialed 911, telling the dispatcher that a Black man in a white T-shirt was inside a house that was under construction and only partially closed in. And hes running right now, the guy told the dispatcher. There he goes right now!

The former prosecutor, Barnhill, also brought up Arberys past record to the cops. Court documents show that he was convicted of shoplifting and of violating probation in 2018. Five years earlier, Arbery was also indicted on accusations that he took a handgun to a high school basketball game, according to The Brunswick News.

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Funbazooka posted...

Citizen's arrest is legal in Georgia. There were break-ins, he was caught on surveillance video, according to them.

ONLY if the person attempting the citizen arrest sees him in the act of committing a crime. They didn't see him committing any crime.

Funbazooka posted...

Moments earlier before the shooting, another resident saw him lurking around in a house under construction.

Which, even if true, isn't a crime.

Funbazooka posted...

the suspect has a criminal record, a shop lifting conviction, violation of probation, and he had also taken a gun to a school basketball game.

All completely irrelevant to this case, even if they had known about that.

Funbazooka posted...

They'd seen him reaching down into his pants in such a way they were worried he was carrying a gun as well.

Again, that's not a crime and they had no lawful reason to follow him or attempt to detain him. Period.

Funbazooka posted...

Citizen's arrest is legal in Georgia.

Jogging while black isnt a crime.

They never saw him commit a crime.

Shut the fuck up.

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Another point is that Arbery is reported to have lived in the city of Brunswick. But the shooting happened in Satilla Shores, specifically at the intersection of Satilla and Holmes Rd. If you look on a map, the shortest route from Brunswick, GA to Holmes RD is 9.1 miles. This wasn't the neighborhood Arbery lived in.

Police report confirms shooting happened at the intersection of Satilla and Holmes Rd.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf

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Funbazooka posted...

Another point is that Arbery is reported to have lived in the city of Brunswick. But the shooting happened in Satilla Shores, specifically at the intersection of Satilla and Holmes Rd. If you look on a map, the shortest route from Brunswick, GA to Holmes RD is 9.1 miles. This wasn't the neighborhood Arbery lived in.

Police report confirms shooting happened at the intersection of Satilla and Holmes Rd.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf

So you're saying he couldn't be responsible for the previous crimes in that neighborhood because he doesn't live around there?

lolife67 posted...

ONLY if the person attempting the citizen arrest sees him in the act of committing a crime. They didn't see him committing any crime.

They did, if they saw him committing a crime on surveillance video. Citizen arrest is also legal if it is "within his immediate knowledge" they committed a crime. D.A. said they had solid first hand probable cause.

Georgia law:
OCGA 17-4-60 "A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

lolife67 posted...

Which, even if true, isn't a crime.

Trespassing?

lolife67 posted...

All completely irrelevant to this case, even if they had known about that.

I said they weren't aware of his criminal record. But if this goes to trial, it's going to be very relevant.

lolife67 posted...

Again, that's not a crime and they had no lawful reason to follow him or attempt to detain him. Period.

No one said reaching down in your pants is a crime but it led them to believe he may have been armed. District Attorney determined it was lawful, in reference to the law, the evidence, the circumstances.

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Funbazooka posted...

They did, if they saw him committing a crime on surveillance video.

They saw him snooping around, allegedly. That's NOT a criminal act.

Funbazooka posted...

Trespassing?

Not private property. And they were accusing him of being a thief, not trespassing.

Funbazooka posted...

I said they weren't aware of his criminal record. But if this goes to trial, it's going to be very relevant.

No, it isn't. Or at least it shouldn't be since that has nothing to do with why they were chasing him.

Funbazooka posted...

No one said reaching down in your pants is a crime but it led them to believe he may have been armed. District Attorney determined it was lawful, in reference to the law, the evidence, the circumstances.

They claim to have seen him do that on the surveillance, which is still a leap to having a weapon. And the District Attorney can be fallible and can say whatever he wants to. The actual law, as stated, is pretty clear as is this case.

believe the victim might be a burglar and were within their rights to arm themselves and chase him down.

is it weird that in this country you're not allowed to chase down a suspect unless you actually see them redhanded and in the midst of a crime?

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Funbazooka posted...

I said they weren't aware of his criminal record. But if this goes to trial, it's going to be very relevant.

Rule 404(b)(1) says "hi."

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lolife67 posted...

They saw him snooping around, allegedly. That's NOT a criminal act.

From the police report

McMichael stated there have been several Break-ins in the neighborhood and further the suspect was caught on surveillance video. McMichael stated he was in his front yard and saw the suspect from the break-ins "hauling ass" down Satilla Drive toward Burford Drive.

The suspect from the break-ins

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imagine wasting your time arguing with MAGAs trying to justify this murder lmao couldnt be me

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Guys, please do not feed Funbazooka.

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FrisbeeDude posted...

imagine wasting your time arguing with MAGAs trying to justify this murder lmao couldnt be me

^This! Holy shit, just ignore the dummies and move on.

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