Poll of the Day > America will REOPEN soon after Trump said ECONOMIC PAIN is WORSE than COVID-19!

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Donald Trump is reconsidering the social distancing policy in DAYS as he says American will be open for business "very soon" as he supports a return to normal life

He wrote "America will again, be soon be open for business. Very soon. A lot sooner than 3 or 4 months that somebody was suggesting. Lot sooner. We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself. We're not going to let that cure be worse thanthe problem"

He talked economics and down played the medical portion as he was surrounded by fewer than usual people at the WH Coronavirus Task Force as Dr. Tony Fauci, the foremost expert in infectious diseases was not present.

He complained that health care professionals saying they told him to "close the world" but he was telling he cannot and will not do that and said that America was not built to be shut down and said there's too much economic stake

He promises they will be watching very closely on the hot spots and taking of the senior citizens but that they can do that with an open economy and everyone gets back to work

At the end of the week, Trump will make a decision despite shocking death numbers in a day when more than 100 Americans Died in A DAY with more than 41,000 cases reported and the Surgeon General even said the situation will get BAD this week

Trump said the economic effect coming from businesses being shuttered and unemployment numbers for next month is much worse than the pandemic and deaths itself and that a bad economy causes death.

He said "You have almost 160 million jobs in this country now, by far the most ever. The number of jobs, almost 160 million so we can't turn that off and think it's going to be wonderful. There'll be tremendous repercussions. There will be tremendous death. Probably more death than the number of people dying now"

He also said Americans have learned a lot from preventing disease such as washing hands but that they have to open their country much sooner than expected or else..

This comes as the country's economy is tanking and Dr. Tony Fauci, a leading expert to infectious disease warned that social distancing will last for severa weeks

Trump retweeted a SEX COUNSELOR that the fear of the virus cannot collapse the economy that Trump has built up and urged him to reopen America

This comes after a federal reserve board member warned unemployment could hit 30% and spooked Trump after his re-election prospects would be tarnished if that number comes to light as he quickly changed his tune on Sunday to end the quarantine as conservative Steve Hilton also suggested there will be more deaths from an economic shutdown than the virus itself

Dr. Fauci says he's been telling Trump he doesn't want to hear and was not afraid like all the other administration officials to tell him the truth and stood up to him at every corner including telling him that the anti-malarial drug cloroquine that was offered as a cure was NOT reliable.

Whose side are you on?

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Because people need permission to stay at home in a time of emergency....

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Trump is an imbecile.

I do feel a lot of what is happening is an overreaction, but at no point in time has he or any other republican politican expressed concern for the American people. All they care about is wall street. Fuck wall street.

You have to have a pretty small brain to not understand the effects economically are probably going to worse than the virus itself. At work I just had a long discussion about this very topic.

xjayguyx posted...

You have to have a pretty small brain to not understand the effects economically are probably going to worse than the virus itself. At work I just had a long discussion about this very topic.

People dying is bad for the economy

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Im kinda on Trumps side on this one.

See? Economic times get hard. People go hungry. Start looting and killing. Then a crazy ass President goes ham with his lackey Attorney General. Innocent people pay the most.

Yup. Ill risk the virus against a crazy ass president thats allowed to do whatever he wants by the GOP majority. At least doctors will try to save me from the virus.

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

People dying is bad for the economy

Yes true, however only people around 80 years old or so have died from the virus here in Canada. Most people have mild symptoms and are fine after.

xjayguyx posted...

Yes true, however only people around 80 years old or so have died from the virus here in Canada. Most people have mild symptoms and are fine after.

lol... yeah, thats like 2 weeks too late, buddy.

54% of the cases are 19-49. With children dead. And young adults too. Remember the 34 year old that got it when he went to Disney?

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Considering what kind of crap the politicians are trying to do to take advantage of these supposedly emergency bills that need to get passed...

COVID-19 will probably be worst due to delays caused by stupid stuff opportinists of both sides are trying to attached to these bills, as well as the stupidity that will happen BECAUSE some of those things will likely get through. Seriously someone right now is pushing to get an OPEN THE BORDERS thing attached to a Covid legislation.

Next, though almost as bad, will be all the economic damage done by the previously mentioned slapping of random crap onto the bills by opportunists of both parties, because some of it will get through and cause a ton of bad crap to happen and much of it is just some politician or two taking advantage of the situation to try and look good in a rushed, poorly thought through attention grab for re-election.

Last place will be the economic damage actually done by people just being sick and doing shelter-in-place for however long we would have needed to in order to get things more under control with a COMPETENT joint leadership. Or for that matter a dictator. Its a sad day for a republic founded on strong ideals of freedom when a DICTATORSHIP starts looking like a better option, purely because they would actually be more likely respond to a crisis in a manner that at least mitigates the problems with the crisis itself much better than what we have.
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HornedLion posted...

lol... yeah, thats like 2 weeks too late, buddy.

54% of the cases are 19-49. With children dead. And young adults too. Remember the 34 year old that got it when he went to Disney?

13 deaths in my Province and 10 were from the same old folks home. With Canada having open boarders like it has that doesn't seem alarming to me. 400+ cases, 100+ full recovery with only having mild symptoms. Yes this virus is dangerous but the world economy damage is going to be worse.

xjayguyx posted...

13 deaths in my Province and 10 were from the same old folks home. With Canada having open boarders like it has that doesn't seem alarming to me. 400+ cases, 100+ full recovery with only having mild symptoms. Yes this virus is dangerous but the world economy damage is going to be worse.

#oldlivesmatter


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HornedLion posted...

#oldlivesmatter

Not young white lives tho right? Am I right? Lmao go suck off Bernie some more.

xjayguyx posted...

You have to have a pretty small brain to not understand the effects economically are probably going to worse than the virus itself. At work I just had a long discussion about this very topic.

So get 10s/100s of millions sick, completely collapse the health care system, watch millions die... but it's okay because we'll have an economy?

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People aren't dying for economic reasons but Trump is right to slowly move things back towards normal. While concerning, this isn't a grave threat to the majority and these folks need something other than 'virus news' during the lock in.

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

People dying is bad for the economy

So is millions of people losing their jobs. If that happens then that's gonna make it even worse on top of the virus and everything else that's happened.

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Full Throttle posted...

Whose side are you on?

You dont have to be a "certain side", this isnt an "Us vs. Them" situation.
People dying and the Economy dying are both bad things.


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it's tricky. without a vaccine, it seems the extreme precautions we're all taking are really only delaying the inevitable. but at the same time, the *rate* at which it all happens is going to matter a lot, too. the virus has a 2-4+% death rate. that's millions dead in the US over the next two months if you let it run wild.

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What is this magical thing called an economy that is somehow better than people being safe and healthy?
It's disgusting people buy into caring for the economy. We see right through you. You'd step on your best friends toes to make it to the top. That's how you do your life, but don't try to justify it as if you really do care about anyone besides yourself.

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Im sorry youre at the ripe old age of 68, but youre really hindering my ability to make money and in America if you dont make money then youre a deadbeat piece of shit who is going to become homeless.

better you than me, mister 68 year old

BlackScythe0 posted...

Trump is an imbecile.

I do feel a lot of what is happening is an overreaction, but at no point in time has he or any other republican politican expressed concern for the American people. All they care about is wall street. Fuck wall street.

This. The only reason UBI is getting talked about now is because theyd rather do that then endure something like the Russian revolution.

3-4 months does seem excessive considering not even China -- the disease's origin point where containment was going to be more of an issue because they were just figuring shit out -- was shut down for that long.

BlackScythe0 posted... Trump is an imbecile.

I do feel a lot of what is happening is an overreaction, but at no point in time has he or any other republican politican expressed concern for the American people. All they care about is wall street. Fuck wall street.

It's Main Street that gets fucked by shit like this. Wall Street recovers, but small businesses owners don't. Not that you care about small business owners and American labor.

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Funny how other countries can shut down for a couple months and function just fine, but of course the richest country in the world can't manage. Virus gotta virus.

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Yellow posted...

Funny how other countries can shut down for a couple months and function just fine, but of course the richest country in the world can't manage. Virus gotta virus.

All comes down to how much control the people give their gov't.

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the economy is fake and people's lives aren't. easy choice

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OniRonin posted...

the economy is fake and people's lives aren't. easy choice

This, it is a myth that we all buy into and believe. It is pretty sad reality when money is considered more important than people's lives. Is this really the type of society we want to live in? I understand that is the society we live, but maybe we should reconsider after this, we won't, but we probably should.

Archgoat posted...

This, it is a myth that we all buy into and believe. It is pretty sad reality when money is considered more important than people's lives. Is this really the type of society we want to live in? I understand that is the society we live, but maybe we should reconsider after this, we won't, but we probably should.

They're very intertwined. You can stay home for your health but if you can't afford food and housing are you that much better off? They're walking a fine line as far as what to open with the least risk to slowly inch towards normal again. Gotta start lifting their mood.

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Well, understand this, America has turned into a greed machine and America's brutal capitalistic system can be traced back directly to those slave plantations.

In a capitalist society that goes low, wages are depressed as businesses compete over the price, not the quality, of goods; so-called unskilled workers are typically incentivized through punishments, not promotions; inequality reigns and poverty spreads.

In the United States, the richest 1 percent of Americans own 40 percent of the countrys wealth, while a larger share of working-age people (18-65) live in poverty so it makes sense from a capitalist point of view that someone like Trump would suggest economic pain is worse than COVID-19.

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Molitheus posted...

So is millions of people losing their jobs. If that happens then that's gonna make it even worse on top of the virus and everything else that's happened.

So which is worse? 2% death rate means 2% decrease in gdp. How much of an impact is this social distancing causing?

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you are a bad person, duckbear

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I mean, forget about the top 1 percent, the top 400 people ii the US, with the most wealth have a total of 3 trillion dollars between em lol.

To put that in perspective, the top 400 people in this country could take the interest their money makes every year (going conservitively) and by themselves pay the poorest 30% of this country (96 million americans), $31,250 a year.

They wouldn't lose money mind you, they just wouldn't be making any money off it, so they would go negative by whatever they spend (but since the lowest of em have like 3 billion, it would take them multiple lifetimes to spend enough to matter unless they were blowing insane amounts).

The top 400 wealthiest americans can afford to support 30% of the population in a comfortable lifestyle just on the interest they make each year, forget about the entire top 1%.

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MICHALECOLE posted... Im sorry youre at the ripe old age of 68, but youre really hindering my ability to make money and in America if you dont make money then youre a deadbeat piece of shit who is going to become homeless.

better you than me, mister 68 year old

Biden needs to remind seniors of how Trump cares more about the stock market than their lives come November, especially in Florida.

Zeus posted...

3-4 months does seem excessive considering not even China -- the disease's origin point where containment was going to be more of an issue because they were just figuring shit out -- was shut down for that long.

China was shut down for like 2 1/2 months.
The U.S. hasn't even been shut down for 2 1/2 weeks yet.
And their shut down was far more strict. There's still tons of people out and about in the U.S.

I mean most of the US hasn't been shut down for 2 1/2 days yet. It's going on 1 day for WA, and like 2 days for most other states, with NY and CA having a few more (but still less than a week.

Oh and NOWHERE is shut down nearly as much as China was lol.....nor are we having door to door testing etc.

Hell, we aren't even as shut down as Italy.

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Lokarin posted...

Because people need permission to stay at home in a time of emergency....

you stay at home anyways, so all of this must be business as usual for you, ok?

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streamofthesky posted...

And their shut down was far more strict. There's still tons of people out and about in the U.S.

Honestly, I think there's something to be said for China's more aggressive quarantine approach. Hypothetically, this whole thing ecould be fixed with minimal economic repercussions if nearly everything was completely locked down for three weeks: stop all work that doesn't need to happen right now (which would basically mean agriculture, utilities, emergency services, medical, and emergency repair services (e.g. plumbers, electricians)), give everyone three weeks' worth of cheap, nutritionally complete food, freeze all exchanges of money so that nobody is put out by not being paid to do things, and just keep everybody at home for three weeks. At the end of it, test everyone that's shown symptoms, quarantine them and the people living with them for a suitable period after that, and with closed borders (which most countries have now anyway), you're not going to see any new cases

You'd get some businesses incurring extra costs for that shutdown due to the loss of perishable goods (food service being the most obvious example), and the government would incur the costs of those rations and everyone's utility bills for the month, but that'd be a whole lot less than what the US government has already thrown at the stock market in an effort to stimulate it, and a whole lot less than what any government is currently proposing in an effort to help keep businesses afloat through an indefinite shutdown period. All these reactive half-measures are likely going to be inadequate, both for controlling the virus to any meaningful level and for preventing economic loss from it.

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adjl posted...

Honestly, I think there's something to be said for China's more aggressive quarantine approach

I mean, from what I have read/heard, they were insanely draconian there, and massively contained the virus.

Supposedly they literally went door to door, and even brook them down if they had to, and tested the temp of everyone, quarantening everyone with the virus (only 80k or so out of a huge populltion, we have almost that many cases TESTED positive in the US and we have barely tested anyone).

And even with such insane measures and such a small number of actual cases, it's reported as much as 5% of the people who tested positive died.

Meanwhile Italy had a worse time of it I believe but they have also basically forced everyone to stay inside across the whole country, WAY better than what we are doing. The numbers there are approaching the total number of confirmed cases in China at over 60k, and 10% of those (over 6k) have died....double the number in China. Almost as many people have died as have recovered in fact in Italy, while in China it was almost a 20 to 1 ratio.

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Imagine taking China's data at face value lol. Not to mention the almost certain insane human rights abuses with their quarantine

wolfy42 posted...

I mean, from what I have read/heard, they were insanely draconian there, and massively contained the virus.

Supposedly they literally went door to door, and even brook them down if they had to, and tested the temp of everyone, quarantening everyone with the virus (only 80k or so out of a huge populltion, we have almost that many cases TESTED positive in the US and we have barely tested anyone).

Yeah, China's approach would never fly in anywhere that isn't an oppressive dictatorial regime, because human rights, but it got results (though given that those results were published by the CCP, the reality of the situation is probably quite a bit worse than they're letting on). The people saying "we don't need to listen to these recommendations because China got better so obviously this isn't that big of a deal" don't seem to realize that if people don't listen to those recommendations, we aren't going to see the same results without a massive authoritarian crackdown that strips them of their ability to choose whether or not to listen.

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Good, I want to get back to work

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Yeah, basically. Also I'm pretty sure they didn't have people in China heading to grocery stores, and Italy has been cutting back on that as well. In the US we are making it WORSE by cutting store hours and restricting which ones are open (small grocery stores etc are mostly closing).

This is making a majority of Americans have to travel to one of a few places near them, which is the perfect way to quickly spread the virus.

We should have set up full delivery services right away, so you could order food delivered, and that is done by people who are fully covered to prevent virus spread etc.

We should have a full lookdown across the US for 14 days, except those who have been tested and are monitored constantly to ensure they don't get it, and who deliver food to everyone basically.

Doing that could kill the virus completely in 2 weeks and then we could get back to life as normal. I believe that is basically what they did in China, but they were not 100% sucessful. We could....have done it here, but it's probably too late now.

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wolfy42 posted...

In the US we are making it WORSE by cutting store hours and restricting which ones are open (small grocery stores etc are mostly closing).

This is making a majority of Americans have to travel to one of a few places near them, which is the perfect way to quickly spread the virus.

Yeah, I don't really get why reducing hours seems to be such a popular approach. Reducing hours doesn't reduce the amount of shopping people do, it just means more people are doing their shopping at the same time, which is exactly what we want to avoid. I get the basic idea of "the less time we're open, the less time we spend potentially exposed to it," but the fact that they'll have higher customer density while they are open kind of negates that.

That said, I have seen a number of places say they're reducing their hours by an hour or two to allow them extra time to deep clean and sanitize the premises each day, which is reasonable. That kind of cleaning takes time, and they can't be expected to pay for more staff hours to make that happen.

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wolfy42 posted...

Yeah, basically. Also I'm pretty sure they didn't have people in China heading to grocery stores, and Italy has been cutting back on that as well. In the US we are making it WORSE by cutting store hours and restricting which ones are open (small grocery stores etc are mostly closing).

This is making a majority of Americans have to travel to one of a few places near them, which is the perfect way to quickly spread the virus.

We should have set up full delivery services right away, so you could order food delivered, and that is done by people who are fully covered to prevent virus spread etc.

We should have a full lookdown across the US for 14 days, except those who have been tested and are monitored constantly to ensure they don't get it, and who deliver food to everyone basically.

Doing that could kill the virus completely in 2 weeks and then we could get back to life as normal. I believe that is basically what they did in China, but they were not 100% sucessful. We could....have done it here, but it's probably too late now.

That's not a good idea, the last thing we should be doing is trying to make the government more authoritarian

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wolfy42 posted...

I mean, forget about the top 1 percent, the top 400 people ii the US, with the most wealth have a total of 3 trillion dollars between em lol.

To put that in perspective, the top 400 people in this country could take the interest their money makes every year (going conservitively) and by themselves pay the poorest 30% of this country (96 million americans), $31,250 a year.

They wouldn't lose money mind you, they just wouldn't be making any money off it, so they would go negative by whatever they spend (but since the lowest of em have like 3 billion, it would take them multiple lifetimes to spend enough to matter unless they were blowing insane amounts).

The top 400 wealthiest americans can afford to support 30% of the population in a comfortable lifestyle just on the interest they make each year, forget about the entire top 1%.

I'll start with corporations aren't good. Still it's not cool to beg for handouts off someone else's work. I see folks on corners with 'help me' signs while they're holding smartphones and scratchie tickets. They're too lazy. So we can't say the lowest part of the population needs it even if that includes the disadvantaged. They prey on those who think they're helping someone.

If you want a good life you have to put in the effort. This is a fact. No blaming anyone else. If you have to pick fruit, serve food, or pack Amazon boxes so be it. Don't pretend there isn't work. If you think college is necessary be prepared to pay for it.

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Muscles posted...

That's not a good idea, the last thing we should be doing is trying to make the government more authoritarian

I'm not sure the motto of your high school libertarian club is really the best philosophical basis to use for dealing with a pandemic.

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OhhhJa posted...

Imagine taking China's data at face value lol. Not to mention the almost certain insane human rights abuses with their quarantine

You want rights or results? Not an easy choice.

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Not all doctors say the same thing and the economic factors and virus aren't completely separate. I listened to a podcast with a doctor giving his thoughts and while he agrees we should take precautions he does say that what we have done might hurt more than it helps.

The economic pain has hurt a lot of people with people losing their jobs, retirements, and homes. This specific doctor, who is semi-retired now, also said he has frequently seen people choose to pay rent and buy food over medicine when they can't afford both so the economic pain could potentially cause people to die from covid-19.

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adjl posted...

I'm not sure the motto of your high school libertarian club is really the best philosophical basis to use for dealing with a pandemic.

When we're living in 1984 in a decade maybe you'll see it differently

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Hindred posted...

also said he has frequently seen people choose to pay rent and buy food over medicine when they can't afford both so the economic pain could potentially cause people to die from covid-19.

It probably won't cause people to die from COVID specifically, since there's currently no medication to buy for it, but it could result in collateral damage as people are unable to buy medications for other conditions.

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Muscles posted...

When we're living in 1984 in a decade maybe you'll see it differently

The pandemic will have been over for 9+ years in a decade, so I don't think that'll be terribly relevant. People have also being saying this since 1984 was written, so...

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1. While that may be true you are ignoring the fact this can set off the government to be more authoritarian and then you got a slippery slope to China
2. Yeah but we haven't given the government this much power since it's been written

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