Current Events > PS5 will reportedly have full backwards compatibility

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Garioshi posted...

Perhaps you didn't understand. Full backwards compatibility with the PS1, PS2, PS3, and PS4.

Hmmm that would actually even the odds against the Series X, which was already confirmed to have full backwards compatibility.

I highly doubt it though. If they couldn't pull it off on the PS4 I doubt it'll work on the PS5, at least natively.

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Hmmm that would actually even the odds against the Series X, which was already confirmed to have full backwards compatibility.

Full Xbox One BC (maybe not Kinect). Not anything more.

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Darmik posted...

Full Xbox One BC (maybe not Kinect). Not anything more.

As well as all the 360 and original Xbox games that are currently BC. That's a MASSIVE library on day one.

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Hmmm that would actually even the odds against the Series X, which was already confirmed to have full backwards compatibility.

I highly doubt it though. If they couldn't pull it off on the PS4 I doubt it'll work on the PS5, at least natively.

I doubt seriously that it will end up with anything like full PS3 emulation, but at least the hardware is close to making that possible. PCSX2 would be a truly painful experience with the PS4 CPU.

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Hmmm that would actually even the odds against the Series X, which was already confirmed to have full backwards compatibility.

I highly doubt it though. If they couldn't pull it off on the PS4 I doubt it'll work on the PS5, at least natively.

The full Playstation library absolutely blows the full Xbox library away.

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DarthWendy posted...

This is suspicious to say the least. How else are they going to make all the dough by re-selling you PS4-3-2-1 games, if it's backward-compatible ?

By selling digital copies of old games. Look at the Xbox One BC. Nearly every BC game that you can play with a physical disc can be bought from the online store. Some people prefer digital versions, or an old game might be hard to track down.

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Garioshi posted...

The full Playstation library absolutely blows the full Xbox library away.

Opinion

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Thanks Microsoft!

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MrKapowski posted...

Weird.

When MS started pushing BC, the Sony crowd scoffed at it. When MS announced Scarlett would be full BC, they scoffed some more.

Now that Sony is saying they're doing the same, it's a big deal.

Jesus christ lmao

Boy, you guys sure have selective memory here...
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MrKapowski posted...

Opinion

It's sort of not though.

Playstation has a full generation of games that Xbox doesn't have (PS1), and PS2 is basically unanimously agreed to have a better library that the original Xbox. As you go on in the generations, the libraries become more equal (360 is probably better than the PS3 and the PS4 is probably better than the Xbox One, but you could argue either way). But the fact that the Playstation lineup has the PS1 and PS2 means that the Playstation lineup will always be better than the Xbox lineup.
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PS3 BC is a day 1 buy if true.

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MrKapowski posted...

Opinion

While technically true that is is a matter of opinion, it's hard to argue that Microsoft's full library is better than Sony's. Add up all of the Xbox games and you get over 5,500 games. Add up all of the Playstation home consoles you get over 12,000. Add in the PS Vita and PSP and you can add nearly 3,000 more to Sony's corner.

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Imagine if they started reprinting ps1, ps2 and ps3 games.

If this is true, Xbox is done.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

Imagine if they started reprinting ps1, ps2 and ps3 games.

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I have a massive ps2 library, and a massive psone collection from the PSN store which unfortunately was never made available to use on the PS4.

If both are confirmed to work this might be a day one purchase for me, or as close to day one as inventory allows.

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Won't buy this unless it's true.

and people thought i was crazy to hoard all my ps2 games even though i havent been able to play any since i was 24
but whose laughing now?

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yusiko posted...

and people thought i was crazy to hoard all my ps2 games even though i havent been able to play any since i was 24
but whose laughing now?

me because you have bad taste in games so they probably all suck

Reis posted...

me because you have bad taste in games so they probably all suck

this is why i have you tagged as bad person
because you are wrong and therefore bad
for shame reis
for shame
tsk tsk tsk

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Damn_Underscore posted...

It's sort of not though.

Playstation has a full generation of games that Xbox doesn't have (PS1), and PS2 is basically unanimously agreed to have a better library that the original Xbox. As you go on in the generations, the libraries become more equal (360 is probably better than the PS3 and the PS4 is probably better than the Xbox One, but you could argue either way). But the fact that the Playstation lineup has the PS1 and PS2 means that the Playstation lineup will always be better than the Xbox lineup.

Its 100% an opinion.

I didn't care to play any Sony consoles over the past 20 years, having them all available at once isn't gonna change that. Stop with that disingenuous "unanimous" bullshit, it isn't true.

Son Of Spam posted...

While technically true that is is a matter of opinion, it's hard to argue that Microsoft's full library is better than Sony's. Add up all of the Xbox games and you get over 5,500 games. Add up all of the Playstation home consoles you get over 12,000. Add in the PS Vita and PSP and you can add nearly 3,000 more to Sony's corner.

Meanwhile, people not obsessed with volume stats know that only a small percentage of those games, on either console family, are worth playing.

I guess you could argue that more games means a better chance for better games, but there isn't a single Sony exclusive that does anything for me, soooooo

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a-c-a-b posted...

Day 1 buy for me.

I still regularly play Playstation games from all previous consoles. It will be awesome to do it with only having 1 console set up.

this

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Has there been any follow up to confirm?

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Don't get me wrong, Xbox has some gems, but compared to the Playstation, especially the early Playstation?, Sony has the 1-up. Sadly, now nearly every big first party title they had is available on PC. There are still some great games out there, but aren't as easily available to disc collectors.

Jabodie posted...

Has there been any follow up to confirm?

As far as I know the only source is Hiphopgamer. It looks like the last official statement from Sony was that they were working hard to get PS4 compatibility.

https://www.dualshockers.com/ps5-backward-compatibility-feature/

According to Famitsu, it is still not 100% certain that every PS4 title is backward compatible with the upcoming PS5. When asked for more details about the feature, Sony said, translated by DualShockers own Iyane Agossah, Our development team is currently hard at work in order to make 100% backward compatibility with PS4 possible. Please wait for further information. Essentially, Sony is working to get backward compatibility up and running on the PS5 but isnt too sure that every title will be compatible

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So...has it been confirmed if the PS5 can travel through time, then?

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Garioshi posted...

The full Playstation library absolutely blows the full Xbox library away.

That's not what was being compared here. Rather, how fleshed out the backwards compatibility will be. I highly doubt Sony can say with confidence that 4 whole game libraries will be backwards compatible at launch, or even a year afterwards, if that wasn't one of the biggest focuses of the hardware.

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I think people are ignoring the biggest hurdle here. If it works via software emulation they need to get permission from game rights holders to add it to their online store and/or make the disc work. For a number of PS1 and 2 games this isn't possible as they are stuck in legal hell. There is a reason many PS1 and 2 games never got released on game archives, yet a launch PS3 can play all of them. The hardware emulation allowed them a legal work around.

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ssjevot posted...

I think people are ignoring the biggest hurdle here. If it works via software emulation they need to get permission from game rights holders to add it to their online store and/or make the disc work. For a number of PS1 and 2 games this isn't possible as they are stuck in legal hell. There is a reason many PS1 and 2 games never got released on game archives, yet a launch PS3 can play all of them. The hardware emulation allowed them a legal work around.

Afaik they didn't for the PS3 (80GB model)

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There's no way it'll have PS3 backwards compatibility outside of PS Now.

Playstation Everything is a hypergasm.

ssjevot posted...

I think people are ignoring the biggest hurdle here. If it works via software emulation they need to get permission from game rights holders to add it to their online store and/or make the disc work. For a number of PS1 and 2 games this isn't possible as they are stuck in legal hell. There is a reason many PS1 and 2 games never got released on game archives, yet a launch PS3 can play all of them. The hardware emulation allowed them a legal work around.

You don't need permission for software emulation. The PS3 (any model, even Super Slim) plays nearly every PS1 ever made from the disc via software emulation even though many PS1 games have been in licensing hell for years before the PS3's release. The only thing you need permission for is distribution on online stores.

The reason Xbox One BC games need permission even for disc games is because the games are recompiled by Microsoft in a custom emulator and downloaded from their servers. If the games were played by reading the data off the disc then they wouldn't need permission.

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Honestly, I just want a lot of space to play all these games. 5tb should be the standard, 1 only handles like 10 AAA games.

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DocileOrangeCup posted...

Holy shit

LightningAce11 posted...

Honestly, I just want a lot of space to play all these games. 5tb should be the standard, 1 only handles like 10 AAA games.

I really want to buy a 2TB internal drive for me PS4, but it's always hard for me to justify purchases over $50-60.

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Regardless of which console you play on, you're not a real gamer if you root for the competition to fail.

Healthy competition is better for everyone. I hope Sony puts out a good product to force Microsoft to do the same.

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LightningAce11 posted...

Honestly, I just want a lot of space to play all these games. 5tb should be the standard, 1 only handles like 10 AAA games.

I have an 8TB on my Xbox One X and after installing everything I only have 2.5 TB left

How are they gonna put SSDs in all these consoles standard when 4K games are this massive? I don't even want to think about 8K

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MrKapowski posted...

Regardless of which console you play on, you're not a real gamer if you root for the competition to fail.

Healthy competition is better for everyone. I hope Sony puts out a good product to force Microsoft to do the same.

On the contrary, it seems like Xbox has set the mood going into this generation, with the Series X being a straight upgrade. If PS5 doesn't have some trick up its sleeve besides the games I feel they're not gonna move a lot of units. Most people will just stick to their PS4s.


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From all the information I can get about the Xbox Series X high end unit, the GPU is effectively a Navi with 56 Compute Units

The current AMD Radeon High End SKU is the Radeon 5700 XT and that has only 40 Compute Units

Back in the Vega generation, they made SKU's that had up to 64 Compute Unites.

We know for a fact that AMD is holding back on it's customer base by not intruding higher CU units.

It's only a matter of time before we see newer Radeon Navi SKU's with Higher Comput Units.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

From all the information I can get about the Xbox Series X high end unit, the GPU is effectively a Navi with 56 Compute Units

The current AMD Radeon High End SKU is the Radeon 5700 XT and that has only 40 Compute Units

Back in the Vega generation, they made SKU's that had up to 64 Compute Unites.

We know for a fact that AMD is holding back on it's customer base by not intruding higher CU units.

It's only a matter of time before we see newer Radeon Navi SKU's with Higher Comput Units.

I mean, would they still be able to sell it for a reasonable price if they did introduce that type of hardware?

I think after the $599 US dollars fiasco people are trying to stay around the $500 range max

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Rumors rumors rumors.

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

I mean, would they still be able to sell it for a reasonable price if they did introduce that type of hardware?

I think after the $599 US dollars fiasco people are trying to stay around the $500 range max

I'm pretty sure MS is planning to launch with 2x tiers of hardware performance at launch.

One Maxed out, one base tier that should be better than the curren top of the line hardware.

Just keep pace with Digital Foundry, they've done some pretty good analysis on what MS/Sony are doing.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

I'm pretty sure MS is planning to launch with 2x tiers of hardware performance at launch.

One Maxed out, one base tier that should be better than the curren top of the line hardware.

Just keep pace with Digital Foundry, they've done some pretty good analysis on what MS/Sony are doing.

Nah Im familiar with that; theyll probably have an S model as the base one like before

But I feel like if there was ever an excuse for them to maintain the price point with the Series X it would be at $500, $600 tops. Any more than that and people are just gonna consider PCs or go for the base model

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

But I feel like if there was ever an excuse for them to maintain the price point with the Series X it would be at $500, $600 tops. Any more than that and people are just gonna consider PCs or go for the base model

As long as they have a good entry price model, the top tier model can break the price barrier as needed based on what kind of ridiculous specs they want to chuck in.

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