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davidponte
12/29/19 7:24:14 PM
#51:


Man I was about to kiss my playoff hopes in pick'em goodbye with a 4-4 start but it looks like I'll be going 7-0 in the late games which should hopefully salvage my spot.

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Leonhart4
12/29/19 7:55:55 PM
#52:


At least the Titans got in

And Freddie Kitchens is out

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xp1337
12/29/19 8:01:05 PM
#53:


getting ready for the imminent cowboys hc opening i'm sure

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Crescent-Moon
12/29/19 8:01:21 PM
#54:


Leonhart4 posted...
At least the Titans got in

And Freddie Kitchens is out
Good.

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Leonhart4
12/29/19 8:03:57 PM
#55:


I'm normally not in favor of firing a coach after just one year, but Kitchens was such an unmitigated disaster that he thoroughly proved he was not ready for that job.

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Crescent-Moon
12/29/19 8:04:25 PM
#56:


Leonhart4 posted...
I'm normally not in favor of firing a coach after just one year, but Kitchens was such an unmitigated disaster that he thoroughly proved he was not ready for that job.
I think he thoroughly proved he might never be ready for that job~

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Crescent-Moon
12/29/19 11:25:56 PM
#57:


Wow, what a final play..

And I think he's just very barely short.

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theawesomestevr
12/29/19 11:27:59 PM
#58:


Horrible officiating. No way that wasn't Dpi on 3rd down. Great job by the league not initiating a review.
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Crescent-Moon
12/29/19 11:28:25 PM
#59:


theawesomestevr posted...
Horrible officiating. No way that wasn't Dpi on 3rd down. Great job by the league not initiating a review.
This is true.

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ertyu0078
12/29/19 11:29:09 PM
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Stinkers going to beat cheatriotes
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Forceful_Dragon
12/29/19 11:33:05 PM
#61:


theawesomestevr posted...
Horrible officiating. No way that wasn't Dpi on 3rd down. Great job by the league not initiating a review.

I'll take it.

I'm pretty sure they should have taken back the Seahawks first touchdown in the 3rd anyways. Wilson looked like he was past the line of scrimmage when the ball left his hands

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Leonhart4
12/29/19 11:33:10 PM
#62:


So it's

Vikings/Saints
Seahawks/Eagles
Titans/Patriots
Bills/Texans

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Crescent-Moon
12/29/19 11:33:49 PM
#63:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
I'll take it.

I'm pretty sure they should have taken back the Seahawks first touchdown in the 3rd anyways. Wilson looked like he was past the line of scrimmage when the ball left his hands
Um... The entire body has to be across the line for it to be illegal... Only half of his body was. Even reviewing it would have been a waste of time.

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Forceful_Dragon
12/29/19 11:35:35 PM
#64:


The ball had crossed the line. Isn't that enough?

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Leonhart4
12/29/19 11:36:31 PM
#65:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
The ball had crossed the line. Isn't that enough?

Nope, it's the whole body.

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Crescent-Moon
12/29/19 11:36:32 PM
#66:


As far as I know... It is only an illegal forward pass if the entire body of the player throwing the ball is across the line of scrimmage.

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Forceful_Dragon
12/29/19 11:43:03 PM
#67:


ARTICLE 2. LEGAL FORWARD PASS
The offensive team may make one forward pass from behind the line during each down. If the ball, whether in player possession or loose, crosses the line of scrimmage, a forward pass is not permissible, regardless of whether the ball returns behind the line of scrimmage before the pass is thrown.

(https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/forward-pass/)
That's what I was basing my thoughts on. I could certainly be wrong.

In any case I had written the game off after the Seahawks got that first down at the end. I just assumed they would run it in from the half yard line and then the delay of game happened.

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WickIebee
12/29/19 11:57:25 PM
#68:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
ARTICLE 2. LEGAL FORWARD PASS

(https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/forward-pass/)
That's what I was basing my thoughts on. I could certainly be wrong.

In any case I had written the game off after the Seahawks got that first down at the end. I just assumed they would run it in from the half yard line and then the delay of game happened.

The fun fact about this, is the rule for an Illegal Forward Pass contradicts this.

Item 1: Illegal Passes. Any other forward pass by either team is illegal and is a foul by the passing team, including:
(a) A forward pass thrown when the passer is beyond the line of scrimmage.
Note: It is a forward pass from beyond the line of scrimmage *if the passers entire body and the ball are beyond the line of scrimmage when the ball is released*, whether the passer is airborne or touching the ground. The penalty for a forward pass thrown from beyond the line is enforced from the spot where the ball is released.

>The first rule states that a forward pass made after the ball moves forward of the LOS is not legal.
The second rule assumes that the ball is under control of the passer, and in that instance, it defines what being beyond the LOS means (The passer's entire body and the ball must be past the LOS at the release point for the pass to be illegal).

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WickIebee
12/29/19 11:59:38 PM
#69:


I had to search for something since Collinsworth and Michaels ruled it as legal, and while they certainly say their share of stupid things, I did want to trust their judgement on the rulebook.

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Jakyl25
12/30/19 12:04:49 AM
#70:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
ARTICLE 2. LEGAL FORWARD PASS

(https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/forward-pass/)
That's what I was basing my thoughts on. I could certainly be wrong.

In any case I had written the game off after the Seahawks got that first down at the end. I just assumed they would run it in from the half yard line and then the delay of game happened.


This is basically just saying that you cant have someone who has established possession beyond the line of scrimmage lateral it back behind the line and then have a forward pass. Like you cant do a flea flicker that first goes beyond the line.

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Forceful_Dragon
12/30/19 12:05:16 AM
#71:


Ah, that's dumb then.

Taking the rules independently it sounds like the situation of the ball being beyond the LOS and the QBs leg behind the LOS would result in the play simultaneously not being a "permissible pass" per the first rule and not being an "illegal pass" per the second.

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Jakyl25
12/30/19 12:09:02 AM
#72:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Ah, that's dumb then.

Taking the rules independently it sounds like the situation of the ball being beyond the LOS and the QBs leg behind the LOS would result in the play simultaneously not being a "permissible pass" per the first rule and not being an "illegal pass" per the second.


It does sound like that, but basically its meant to be read that a ball possessed by a player is never beyond the line of scrimmage until the entire body of the player is.
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Jakyl25
12/30/19 12:10:46 AM
#73:


Which obviously is still contradictory to OTHER rules because how many QB sneaks are there where the feet of the QB are still behind the line when hes down?
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Crescent-Moon
12/30/19 12:20:15 AM
#74:


Silly rules.

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12/30/19 9:13:15 AM
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Meow1000
12/30/19 9:21:08 AM
#76:


Doesn't mean crap as long as Gettleman is still there tbqh

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ShadowYosuke
12/30/19 9:21:17 AM
#77:


Now please Fire Marrone. And Caldwell. Please...? Pretty please? It's not gonna happen is it? Stupid Colts...
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Meow1000
12/30/19 9:23:08 AM
#78:


Marrone was rumored to be out the door going into week 17.

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ShadowYosuke
12/30/19 9:58:20 AM
#79:


Meow1000 posted...
Marrone was rumored to be out the door going into week 17.

Yeah, but Tony Khan said that wasn't true.
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xp1337
12/30/19 10:19:28 AM
#80:


Just saw that Garrett is now 2nd all-time in 8-8 seasons behind the legend - Jeff Fisher.

can the cowboys really cut him loose when he's so close to history

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Leonhart4
12/30/19 10:22:03 AM
#81:


xp1337 posted...
Just saw that Garrett is now 2nd all-time in 8-8 seasons behind the legend - Jeff Fisher.

can the cowboys really cut him loose when he's so close to history

As a Titans fan and a Cowboys fan I can only handle so much 8-8

Although it's at least an improvement over Dave Campo, the master of going 6-10

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ShadowYosuke
12/30/19 10:24:11 AM
#82:


xp1337 posted...
can the cowboys really cut him loose when he's so close to history

Only if the Jaguars fire Marrone. Then the Jags hire Garrett #BecauseJaguars
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Reg
12/30/19 10:25:39 AM
#83:


Leonhart4 posted...
Although it's at least an improvement over Dave Campo, the master of going 6-10
He went 6-10 so many times that his record over three years with the Cowboys was 15-33!

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Leonhart4
12/30/19 10:27:18 AM
#84:


Oh wow in my Cowboys nostalgia I remembered Dave Campo more favorably than he actually was

I'm sad now

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Reg
12/30/19 10:32:04 AM
#85:


There is good (And far more surprising than it should be) news here though - Garrett is reportedly out, just not officially until his contract ends on Wednesday.

https://twitter.com/JoshClark1053/status/1211451648028971008

Also http://twitter.com/WagerStreet/status/1211450243461464064
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Leonhart4
12/30/19 10:45:39 AM
#86:


If that doesn't perfectly sum up this season

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Crescent-Moon
12/30/19 2:54:03 PM
#87:


So Garrett is out...

Sort of.

Who's Dave Campo?

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FFDragon
12/30/19 2:55:35 PM
#88:


Leonhart4 posted...
If that doesn't perfectly sum up this season

https://dailysnark.com/how-the-nfl-standings-look-if-every-one-score-game-was-flipped-is-fascinating/

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Crescent-Moon
12/30/19 2:57:37 PM
#89:


FFDragon posted...
https://dailysnark.com/how-the-nfl-standings-look-if-every-one-score-game-was-flipped-is-fascinating/
The most disappointing team in each conference landing up at #1 is a pretty good summation~

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Reg
12/30/19 3:01:06 PM
#90:


David Cross Campo (born July 18, 1947) is an American football coach and former player. Campo is currently a consultant for the USC Trojans football team. Campo served as the head coach for the Dallas Cowboys of the National Football League (NFL) from 2000 to 2002, compiling a record of 15 wins and 33 losses.

(Most notably, 2000 was Troy Aikman's last season, and Campo was the only Cowboys coach to never post a winning record)
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Jakyl25
12/30/19 4:12:30 PM
#91:


I read the Browns were considering retaining Kitchens if he had beaten the Bengals

Wow
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FFDragon
12/30/19 5:33:46 PM
#92:


Hey don't knock the Bengals. They currently have the second longest winning streak in the AFC North.

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Crescent-Moon
12/30/19 5:40:59 PM
#93:


The Bengals were not quite as bad as their record I think.

Jakyl25 posted...
I read the Browns were considering retaining Kitchens if he had beaten the Bengals

Wow
Would've been such a Browns thing to make fun of, we missed an opportunity~

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Meow1000
12/30/19 10:35:22 PM
#94:


Holy crap Arians totally torched Winston

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28397460/bruce-arians-says-buccaneers-win-qb-other-jameis-winston

When asked Monday if he believes the Bucs could win with another quarterback, Arians responded, "Another quarterback? Oh, yeah. [If] we can win with this one, we can definitely win with another one too. We're going to have this defense."

Yeah I think he's done in Tampa.

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Leonhart4
12/30/19 10:45:33 PM
#95:


You can't contend with Jameis as your QB and good on Arians for recognizing it

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Meow1000
12/30/19 11:04:13 PM
#96:


I feel like we've known that for a couple of years now!

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MZero11
12/30/19 11:19:36 PM
#97:


FFDragon posted...
https://dailysnark.com/how-the-nfl-standings-look-if-every-one-score-game-was-flipped-is-fascinating/

Classic Chargers

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RaidenGarai
12/31/19 9:27:16 AM
#98:


Im surprised the Packers would be 8-7. I thought theyd be something like 4-11

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12/31/19 9:42:25 AM
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Meow1000
12/31/19 10:01:14 AM
#100:


Rhule, one of the lead candidates for most of the HC vacanies, declined to even take an interview with the Browns.

Good on him. Rivera shouldn't be rushing to lower himself to Washington's level either when he clearly has better options to pursue.

The Browns job is much better than the Washington job right now, too!

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