Board 8 > If you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it?

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but what about a team in one sport that is and a team in another sport that isn't

See these corner cases are very important to distinguish!
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Emeraldegg posted...

but what about a team in one sport that is and a team in another sport that isn't

See these corner cases are very important to distinguish!

BY NO MEANS

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Good sir I consider that post to be a blatant attack
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it's not a challenge to you

it's a rallying cry for everyone who agrees with me

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LeonhartFour posted...

it's not a challenge to you

it's a rallying cry for everyone who agrees with me

It would be just as you said, and not many would care. Honestly that would exclude a ton of people, as cheering for an overseas team is like the common thing.

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maybe they should be better fans

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Maybe you should've done all caps and added goddamn for maximum effect.

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it's true

I wasn't nearly as aggressive as the post I was satirizing

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Scaled for Leonhartisms vs Mateiisms I'd say you were more aggressive

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Goddamn changes EVERYTHING.

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Lopen posted...

Scaled for Leonhartisms vs Mateiisms I'd say you were more aggressive

this is true because most of the teams I root for are nowhere close to me and yet ExTha is always the one who gets crushed for being a bandwagoner lawl

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Leonhart4 posted...

If you cheer for a team that isn't within a 100 mile radius of you then you are by no means a real sports fan

What if I grew up within a 100 mile radius but moved?

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MZero11 posted...

What if I grew up within a 100 mile radius but moved?

If you were a real fan you never would have moved

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what if the team moved? Was the team never a fan of me? Shouldn't they be the ones ridiculed?
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Emeraldegg posted...

what if the team moved? Was the team never a fan of me? Shouldn't they be the ones ridiculed?

If you were better fans they'd have never left

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None of the people arguing for no have attempted to answer my question about whether or not you've actually seen Blade Runner if you haven't watched the original version. I'm legitimately curious.

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MetalmindStats posted...

None of the people arguing for no have attempted to answer my question about whether or not you've actually seen Blade Runner if you haven't watched the original version. I'm legitimately curious.

You watched that other Blade Runner version; you didn't watch the original.

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lordjers posted...

You watched that other Blade Runner version; you didn't watch the original.

So you would say you haven't seen Blade Runner if you haven't seen the original version, correct? If so, I'll at least give you credit for being logically consistent.

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Eh, with movies that have remakes, I think you'd have to specify which version(s) you've seen just to make sure you're on the same page with whoever you're talking about it with. It's not quite the same.

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Really you're trying to be too clever there. It's not a 'trap' just makes you look kinda dumb.

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MetalmindStats posted...

So you would say you haven't seen Blade Runner if you haven't seen the original version, correct? If so, I'll at least give you credit for being logically consistent.

I'm assuming this is about different versions of the first one right?

If they've seen some other version:

Have they seen Blade Runner? Yes.
Have they seen the original version? No.

This is sort of like if you've played only SMB1 on All-Stars you can't say you've played the NES one, but in a general sense you've played SMB1.

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it's worth pointing out that later versions of blade runner are called differently.

if you've only seen the final cut, you should probably say "i've seen the final cut version of blade runner," not "i've seen blade runner."

edit: so what leonhart said, basically.

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lordjers posted...

Well it's a bad analogy then if that was the intention.

the analogy is fine. an analogy doesn't have to be 100% similar to the discussed thing to get a point across.

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The analogy is not fine because one is a statement that is pretty much just generally offensive to anyone who isn't a racist and the other isn't unless you're overly concerned with gamer cred.

If you need further elaboration the primary difference between the statements is one is judging people for something they are and that's out of their control and the other is judging whether people did something based on their actions.

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matei is pretty much insinuating that anyone who thinks that you beat a game if you used rewind is an idiot. i'd say that's rather fucking offensive, whether you're "overly concerned with gamer cred" or not.

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LeonhartFour posted...

seriously I want someone to answer this

(the password is all zeroes except for the last number which is a 9 in case anyone wants to confirm lawl)

the goal of those passwords is to save progress, right? to me you'd "beat" the game if you reached the screens that gave you those passwords

that said if it were in school in the 80s/90s and you found it without internet i'd totally give you bragging rights for discovering it
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

if i say "black people suck," my statement is not non-hostile because i'm not directing at any particular black person.

i love b8
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

matei is pretty much insinuating that anyone who thinks that you beat a game if you used rewind is an idiot. i'd say that's rather fucking offensive, whether you're "overly concerned with gamer cred" or not.

Even if you have thin skin and think this for some reason it's still a huge difference

Racism is bad because it's judging people for things they are, not things they did.

Judging people for things they've done is completely fine and shouldn't be considered offensive in the same way by any stretch

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

the analogy is fine. an analogy doesn't have to be 100% similar to the discussed thing to get a point across.

Racist undertone aside, it's not fine cause you can replace "black people" with "people who use rewind" and it still isn't what he said.

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Lopen posted...

Judging people for things they've done is completely fine

really? if i say "lopen is an idiot for posting on board 8," you think this is completely fine? i don't honestly believe that's your stance.

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lordjers posted...

Racist undertone aside, it's not fine cause you can replace "black people" with "people who use rewind" and it still isn't what he said.

again, he insinuated that people who think that you beat a game if you used rewind are idiots.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

really? if i say "lopen is an idiot for posting on board 8," you think this is completely fine? i don't honestly believe that's your stance.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you if you can justify it-- you get a 500 post topic discussing whether posting on b8 makes you an idiot we can talk. Posting on b8 is a waste of time.

That would be a better analogy to make though. I almost wonder if you have a fundamental misunderstanding of why racism is such an awful thing though if you think the statements are comparable. Like there's a lot more to it than the mere act of "offending people"--why you offended people is important too.


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I do think a statement is bound to be taken more seriously when it's directed at you in particular.

For example some boys could say "Girls aren't allowed in our treehouse". Maggie shouldn't take this so seriously, even if that includes her, it's just a silly rule they have for whatever reason.

However when the rule says "Maggie isn't allowed in our treehouse", I do think there's more of an explanation to be had.

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Lopen posted...

Like there's a lot more to it than the mere act of "offending people"--why you offended people is important too.

i mean, this is exactly why i take issue with matei's tweet. i'm not saying offending people is necessarily bad. again, i've told a lot of people on this board to "fuck off." but i've never done so without the other person insulting ME first. on the contrary, matei insults people just because they dare to have a different opinion than him on what counts as beating a game. i think that's completely uncalled for.

likewise, i don't think you "deserve" to get called an idiot just because you waste plenty of your time on this board. we all waste time on stupid shit. like, maybe this would go into "idiot" territory if you're so obsessed with this board that you spend all night posting here and come in late at work or something.

i think habitually being hostile and offensive is something that people should stop doing, and it's not something that should be defended. that's all i'm saying.

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I think as long as the reason you think someone is an idiot is well justified it shouldn't be all that offensive-- particularly if you have to read between the lines to infer that he's calling people idiots. I feel there's enough meat on the bone for saying it shouldn't count that he's fine. At some point the burden is on the reader. Like hey, maybe you shouldn't treat this like some abhorrent thing to say just because it wasn't phrased in the most respectful way and you disagree with it, just a thought. There's a reason outrage culture is an expression these days-- he isn't doing anything remotely similar to saying black people suck.

People are a bit too quick to jump to "it's just your opinion, mannn"-- like if he thinks it's a dumb as hell opinion to have, I'm okay with him disrespecting the other side a bit. He isn't baselessly running people into the ground-- there's a clear reason he's doing it and it's not something that's cut and dry him being wrong either.

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i wouldn't agree that it's so clear that he's objectively right about this but even if he is i still don't like his approach. if someone said "the russo brothers directed the rise of skywalker" i'd say "no dude it was j.j. abrams," not "NO YOU MORON IT WAS J.J. ABRAMS HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU THINK IT WAS THE RUSSOS." i don't get why people on the internet have to belittle the other side so often and treat discussions like sports matches that one side "wins."

anyway, let's agree to disagree. don't think there's much point in continuing this as we clearly just have a fundamentally different outlook on the whole thing (also the topic is about to lock!!).

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I'm not saying he's 'objectively right' either but I think there's a bit more nuanced a discussion than just opinion sharing and one side can feel justified in being more right than the other. He has the right to be a bit disdainful of the other side if he feels they're less grounded.

I'm not saying he's being completely PC, just that there's a difference between a guy disagreeing and being a bit flippant about it (this is him), disgreeing and outright calling the other side idiots (this is what you're saying he did), and further still making racist statements (worlds away from what he did or even what you said he did)

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Lopen posted...

disgreeing and outright calling the other side idiots (this is what you're saying he did),

i said he insinuated that the other side consists of idiots.

i think his flippant tweet was bad but had he outright said "everyone who thinks you beat a game if you used rewind is an idiot" it would have been worse, yes.

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i can't believe you people posted 500 times about this
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you just wait for part 2!

the rewind/save state containment topics are a thing now

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRdxUFDoQe0

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If I vote no, I'd be taking away all of TASbot's runs so...
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Steiner posted...

i can't believe you people posted 500 times about this

You've posted 2 or 3 times so it's really like 497 times max

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Steiner posted...

i can't believe you people posted 500 times about this

If you didn't post in this topic I'd argue you can't even be considered a real B8er

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Leonhart4 posted...

If you didn't post in this topic I'd argue you can't even be considered a real B8er

I don't think I posted here yet, just had it tagged for ideas for article material but then it kept going weirdly off-topic.

It counts as beating a game because cheating to beat counts as beating. Just don't brag about it.

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