Poll of the Day > Did you think clinton was a better president or obama?

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the 2 most recent democratic presidents, who both did 2 terms btw.

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They're both racist neolibs so no. I can't answer your question.

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Considering what Obama started with and how he was, I'd say him. He did a bunch

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Judgmenl posted...

They're both racist neolibs so no. I can't answer your question.

what? you think both were racist?

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pedro45 posted...

Considering what Obama started with and how he was, I'd say him. He did a bunch

idk, so you think the economy greatly improved under obama?

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I was a kid in Canada during the Clinton years, so I cant answer

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JebronLames posted...

idk, so you think the economy greatly improved under obama?

Yeah. I know a lot of people who lost a job or got demoted with Bush's antics, and then a bit into Obama's presidency, they got jobs.
The amount of things that seemed to generally improve for the average person as well.

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Things got a lot better under both clinton and obama

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Its almost unfair to compare them. While the nation was a lot better off because of them... Obama inherited a damn near depression. Nevertheless, he did bring us out of it, and we see the fruits of his actions even today.

But Clinton gave us a surplus. Say that word with me... a surplus. Wow. Thats the reason I wanted Hilary to win. I was hoping that in reality it was Bill running the show.

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Politics is a fun christmas topic for everyone.

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Judgmenl posted...

They're both racist neolibs so no. I can't answer your question.

You need to spend less time on Reddit.

Grendel posted...

You need to spend less time on Reddit.

he clearly just parrots things that he reads because he always says stuff like that but never backs it up with any kind of explanation

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Both were actual left-leaning centrists, unlike Zeus.

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HornedLion posted...

Its almost unfair to compare them. While the nation was a lot better off because of them... Obama inherited a damn near depression. Nevertheless, he did bring us out of it, and we see the fruits of his actions even today.

But Clinton gave us a surplus. Say that word with me... a surplus. Wow. Thats the reason I wanted Hilary to win. I was hoping that in reality it was Bill running the show.

Although Clinton was a pretty good president, he was president during the time where the internet was becoming mainstream and a lot of businesses were starting and thriving because of it. He had a very unfair advantage, and pretty much anyone not named Trump or Bush would've had similar results, albeit prolly not as sucessful.
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Both were kinda lousy in their own way. However, we won't know the full fallout from the Obama administration for years to come, even though the race riots and racial unrest today are largely owed to his open criticisms of police and unabashed support for BLM in its early stages which helped to stoke public sentiment in that direction.

Bill Clinton created an increased federal debt obligation by shifting the unemployed onto disability, had a hand in the mortgage crisis, instituted draconian justice policies that helped create our current system of mass incarceration, actively blocked intervention in the Rwandan Genocide, etc.

Zareth posted...

Both were actual left-leaning centrists, unlike Zeus.

He called my name, which means I get 45 seconds to respond! At any rate, I'm not sure I'd consider either of them anything close to left-leaning centrists, although Clinton was obviously closer to center than Obama. However, Clinton still passed the most sweeping gun ban, he attempted to push a public health option,

As for Obama, I'm not sure what stances you'd even consider conservative to balance out his liberal ones. In Clinton's case, you could put out that he was harder on crime than most Republicans, he passed DOMA, and he repealed banking regulations, among other things. Obama was consistently left, although sometimes he took more pragmatic stances because he wasn't sure the things he actually wanted would go through.

lihlih posted... Although Clinton was a pretty good president, he was president during the time where the internet was becoming mainstream and a lot of businesses were starting and thriving because of it. He had a very unfair advantage, and pretty much anyone not named Trump or Bush would've had similar results, albeit prolly not as sucessful.

Pretty much. Clinton didn't create the success or do much to contribute to it, he just benefited from a bubble that happened under his watch and began to tank at the start of GWB's. He also made security cuts that might have helped enable 9/11 and, of course, he had a bigger hand in the mortgage crisis than GWB.

Likewise a lot of the things that helped us recover from the mortgage crisis were passed right towards the end of GWB's presidency, although president-elect Obama had some role in a few of the discussions. However, most of the real recovery didn't involve the government at all and it might have been faster if somebody other than Obama (or GWB, for that matter) had been president.

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I don't think any of the presidents in my lifetime were 'good'. There are just bad and a little less bad.

kukukupo posted...

I don't think any of the presidents in my lifetime were 'good'. There are just bad and a little less bad.

More or less how I feel about it. If a president does a slightly-better than mediocre job, he looks good by comparison. However, our last few have generally been mediocre.

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Zareth posted...

Both were actual left-leaning centrists, unlike Zeus.

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Clinton since he at least tried to be bipartisan and reach across the aisle

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Well, he's only been one of those 2 choices so..... President by default?

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Muscles posted...

Clinton since he at least tried to be bipartisan and reach across the aisle

obama literally bent over backwards to try and appease republicans for eight years dude

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Just because he extended a lot of Bush's stuff and was overall pretty conservative doesn't mean he actually tried to work with Republicans

He could have done more if he cared to actually work with the Republicans that he honestly was pretty close to

It's pretty weird because it seems like he could have ran as a Republican and it would be believable

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Muscles posted...

He could have done more if he cared to actually work with the Republicans

you clearly did not follow politics while he was in office

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Are you saying there wasn't a bigger political divide at the end of his term than at the beginning?

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Clinton by a smidge but they were both hogtied by the GOP. For Clinton it was House Speaker Newt Gingrich and for Obama it was Moscow Mitch.

Remember Clinton signed off on the 1994 Omnibus crime bill that spawned the 3 strikes fiasco which he now admits was a huge mistake because it disproportionately affected Blacks more than any other group then he signed off on welfare reform and finally he signed off on the deregulating banks by tearing down the firewall that had separated commercial and investment banks.

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Mead posted...

Both were actual left-leaning centrists, unlike Zeus.

Parrots the guy who still confuses center-left for left-of-center. Not the same same.

Mead posted...

obama literally bent over backwards to try and appease republicans for eight years dude

Insert gift of J Jonah Jameson laughing. Trying to force through legislation while saying, "I'm open to your ideas as how you can help me force through this legislation" ain't him bending over backwards, it was him bending them over backwards. Just about the only area he caved on was end of life counseling and that wasn't to appease Republicans, it was because it was almost universally condemned by the public who didn't like the connotations.

Mead posted...

you clearly did not follow politics while he was in office

Insert a gif of a pot calling the kettle black. At the risk of sounding sold, you shouldn't be criticizing his political awareness when yours was subzero.

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One actually balanced the budget. Thats more than we can say about most presidents.

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ObligatoryFate posted...

One actually balanced the budget. Thats more than we can say about most presidents.

Most presidents could have balanced a budget under those economic conditions. He was presiding over a time of great prosperity that he didn't create and, quite honesty, did relatively little to encourage.

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Mead posted...

obama literally bent over backwards to try and appease republicans for eight years dude

You are correct.

But this isnt a good thing. Nice guys finish last when dealing with republicans. For example, Obama left hundreds of judge seats open when he left office. Now, you might be saying, Well, thats because McConnell was cock blocking him on everything. Yes, youre right. But he still couldve pushed them through by special means. Means that the republicans wouldnt mind exploiting.

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Zeus posted...

Most presidents could have balanced a budget under those economic conditions. He was presiding over a time of great prosperity that he didn't create and, quite honesty, did relatively little to encourage.

Which was ironically caused by Regan's admin of all admins.
And then the Bushes tried to fuck it all over. Little Bush succeeded turning a surplus into a defect over night for a 20 year war that was 100% meaningless and was admitted by our own government could have been prevented (due to people in the government knowing it was going to happen).
And we're still fighting the Bush's war for no. fucking. reason.

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Judgmenl posted...

Which was ironically caused by Regan's admin of all admins.
And then the Bushes tried to fuck it all over. Little Bush succeeded turning a surplus into a defect over night for a 20 year war that was 100% meaningless and was admitted by our own government could have been prevented (due to people in the government knowing it was going to happen).
And we're still fighting the Bush's war for no. fucking. reason.

Theres a reason alright. Bush stood to personally gain from that war. And Im not talking about taking out the guy that tried to take out his dad. Im talking $$$$$.

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pedro45 posted...

Yeah. I know a lot of people who lost a job or got demoted with Bush's antics, and then a bit into Obama's presidency, they got jobs.
The amount of things that seemed to generally improve for the average person as well.

Depends on who you are. I got told by more than one job they couldn't give me full time because obamacare. I dont fully blame obama for that though wasnt his bill he just pushed it and became the face of it. I wasnt old enough to work under Clinton though.

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It's more like the business didn't wanna give you good benefits along with that full time.
Businesses are out to make a dollar and every now and again someone tries to make sure they give back to who helped them earn that dollar.
When a business doesn't want you healthy, that's pretty low.

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pedro45 posted...

It's more like the business didn't wanna give you good benefits along with that full time.
Businesses are out to make a dollar and every now and again someone tries to make sure they give back to who helped them earn that dollar.
When a business doesn't want you healthy, that's pretty low.

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My thing is a good politician should already know thr greediness of a companies and not put up some bullshit that companies can easily find a way around. But no they pat their self on the back cause they did something that makes them look good amd thats all they care about.

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they both suck. clinton is worse because of welfare reform i guess. the aca was awful but at least its less awful than what we had before

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Mead posted...

obama literally bent over backwards to try and appease republicans for eight years dude

Which was pointless seeing as how they constantly fucked him over

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No.

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pedro45 posted...

Yeah. I know a lot of people who lost a job or got demoted with Bush's antics, and then a bit into Obama's presidency, they got jobs.
The amount of things that seemed to generally improve for the average person as well.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WLBexiCMkXo
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