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USSLiberty posted...

If youre going to post that, then Ill post this:

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https://youtu.be/SghUh_i5Gmw

Okay but there's no point to your post

8-bit_Biceps posted...

There are too many ridiculous parts to believe. Adam and Eve...Noah's Ark fitting all the animals...lol. Contradictions, such as how does a so called all loving god exist? Not enough imagination to have a universe with free will AND say, no such thing as torture or getting burned alive? Kind of a silly concept. Yeah I think we made up the idea of 'god' and it seems pretty clear that whoever wrote the Bible wasn't god and didn't know much about the earth (*points back to Noah's Ark and the clear misunderstanding of how many organisms are on the planet*).

There are many other religions. I don't have the time to learn about them. Why prioritize Christianity over them? Because I live in a place with other Christians? Okay, perhaps that is a reason to understand Christianity. And that's why I already do understand it. And that's how I've come to dismiss it..with ease.

Interesting take

I would say that most christians who do not consider the bible a one stop shop for science and spirituality would argue that the intent of the bible is to guide you to know God. Anything else is happens to touch upon is just extra.

I dont think everything in the bible is meant to be taken word for word as literally as possible. Their are a lot of parables in there

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Duncanwii posted...

God murdered innocent children in order to make the Pharaoh let the Jews go. Even though the Pharaoh already wanted to let the Jews go but God hardened his heart so he wouldn't.

God didnt, Pharoah changed his mind put of pride
He couldve avoided all of that had he just listened.

Also, its very possible that that is a fictional tale meant to teach. As i dont believe there are any historical records of jews being enslaved by egypt or of moses

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HylianFox posted...

that's the kicker though

the notion that Jesus died for our sins and essentially giving us (or more specifically, Christians) a blank check to be total shitheads

like, they harp on how "being good" isn't enough to get into Heaven, accepting Jesus is all that matters
by that logic, if you accept Jesus you can just do whatever and get away with it while good people who didn't accept Jesus roast in Hell

Thats a misguided view to be honest

Jesus is very clear about what accepting him means. Part of that is Obeying God, Trusting God, and loving your neighbor, etc.

If you are a shit head who commits crimes in one breath an then say you accept Jesus in another then you havent really accepted Jesus at all.

Jesus only made it possible for those who actually seek forgiveness to achieve it. You dont really seek forgivness when you continue doing things you supposedly are sorry for intentionally

That part is pretty logical actually

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$10 this thread would have been deleted if it was regarding another religion

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StealthRock posted...

Interesting take

I would say that most christians who do not consider the bible a one stop shop for science and spirituality would argue that the intent of the bible is to guide you to know God. Anything else is happens to touch upon is just extra.

I dont think everything in the bible is meant to be taken word for word as literally as possible. Their are a lot of parables in there

Yes, it's interesting, but not as interesting as:

I also believe it's possible that they might naturally feel a sense of regret or guilt about questioning the god they believe in, and will feel judged by this imaginary being, for betraying him. It is not a good system, or idea. Religion needs to go. It's nice to learn ABOUT religion, but not to subject young children to these ideas and preach them as if they're gospel.

This never gets talked about, so I shall expose it once again before the topic has any chance to go off course back into cliche, to fight the idiocy of religion. It's almost 2020 after all and the Internet has been public for ~30 years.

I don't. I just don't care for a lot of christians (only naming then since you specifically mentioned their religion)
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8-bit_Biceps posted...

Yes, it's interesting, but not as interesting as:

This never gets talked about, so I shall expose it once again before the topic has any chance to go off course back into cliche, to fight the idiocy of religion. It's almost 2020 after all and the Internet has been public for ~30 years.

I agree. Interesting thought.
Ive been around my far share of christians. I have run into the "if you question it or dont feel lile it fits you its because your heart needs changed" mindsets countless times. I believe the fear or guilt is what drives that response

I would say that any intelligent person, christian or not, should question things about the Bible. God would expect that im sure if he is all powerful and all knowing.


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The bigotry around homosexuality is fairly inexcusable.

StealthRock posted...

Looking for an honest response. Why do you choose to not believe or follow christianity?

As a former massive huge christian. There is one thing that I can absolutely not forgive religion for.

Taking away the fear of death and replacing it with obligations to reduce your happiness, income, fun, and freedom.

They are turning poor suckers into slave drones who think they get a eternity of happiness later, so wasting 80 years doesn't matter to them.

It is heart breaking.

proof of good is proof of god

no proof of god is also proof of god

there is absolutely no reason or proof to believe in god, yet people choose to believe in something as likely to exist as santa or the youth fairy anyway

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I hate the hypocrisy and the restrictions that are clearly meant to artificially control peoples' lives.

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I dislike the preachy-ness and...exercises I guess? Stuff like Bible study groups and devotion. What I appreciate was that my Sunday school teacher used very little Bible verses and just helped us out with everyday life. It wasn't some boring dreck like "And God said to Abraham...". She would ask us how things were going, and give us advice and teach us to be good people. The Bible stuff was just there as the reason we should be good people.

Also she had 2 super hot daughters :3

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I don't find any religion convincing. Just a bunch of legends that are all equally unbelievable.

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The fact many treat it as gospel rather than a guideline of behaviour to be questioned and scrutinised
The condemnation based on outdated principles
The fact it claims an all powerful, all knowing, all loving being is able and prepared to condemn people for the free will he gave them and for simply being as he created them.
The arbitrary rules on who is "worthy"
The rampant hypocrisy in all sects of the faith, throughout the different churches
The rampant paedophilia that is simply hushed up and not properly addressed by the highest members of respective churches
The cult like mentality many of them impose
The abuse of the poor many churches take advantage of
The abuse of tax exempt status
Homophobia
Preachiness
How much of it is about controlling/dictating people's lives to the benefit of those higher up in society and not with those who need help in mind
The sects against basic body autonomy and contraception

For a starter list. >.>

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The religion is fine
The fanatical followers of the religion aren't

cmiller4642 posted...

The religion is fine
The fanatical followers of the religion aren't

This, I think if people find structure in their life through religion then thats fine.

Its when people start taking advantage of the kindness of others looking for hope, or when people look down on/damn non-believers then it becomes a problem. I also believe that people who vocally disparage those who believe are just as bible thumpers too. Religion should be personal for you and not forced on to others if they decide they dont walk the same path.

I believe in god because I was much more miserable when I didnt. It gives me peace that someone is looking out for me and it helps me with keeping my life simple. If I start looking down on others who dont have a god/faith then thats when I know I got issues.

I dislike the people who want to use it as a tool to oppress others.
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The fact they keep pestering non-Christian to convert, I guess.

And use the pretext where "your soul cannot be salvaged if you are not Christian" or something.

And yes, this is happening on both college and work force. My colleague would still occasionally come to me and ask me to go to Church if I have free time, despite the fact I'm not Christian.

One time it get worse when another guy tell my superior I don't associate enough with them cuz I refuse to go to Church. Good thing it ended up being non-issue.

Like, seriously, I don't have problem getting along in work despite different religion, but pls, stop asking me going to Church when you already know I'm not Christian, much less preach how my soul will stray further from Jesus the longer I reject Christian etc.

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It's too illogical and, like all religions, its members can be judgmental and hateful.

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All religion is fucking bullshit.
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Fuparulez posted...

From my observations as a Presbyterian Christian, most people's qualms are with Catholicism. Most Christians ARE NOT Catholics, and it was five hundred years ago that the rational portion of the Christian faith left the Catholic church behind. Many reformed denomination churches even accept same sex marriages.

Catholic and Christian are not interchangeable terms.

The fact that your religion has teams that argue as much as your average sports fans, demonstrates a large problem. How do you teach love, while fighting constantly? I hate to break it to you, but Catholics are Christian. Your faith is based on the same book. Its the same old crap with different flavor icing on the cake.

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https://youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=K1ye4wkAiG0

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Teenman posted...

The fact that your religion has teams that argue as much as your average sports fans, demonstrates a large problem. How do you teach love, while fighting constantly? I hate to break it to you, but Catholics are Christian. Your faith is based on the same book. Its the same old crap with different flavor icing on the cake.

Yeah Catholics are Christian, but that wasnt said in that post you quoted.


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YugiNoob posted...

Yeah Catholics are Christian, but that wasnt said in that post you quoted.

And that post seems to be shoving all the bad onto the Catholics and calls Protestant religions the rational ones. Last I checked the loudest anti-gay Churches and the most backwards states are the ones which aren't heavily Catholic. There is plenty of bullshit to pass around.

Religion is inherently irrational anyway.

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As mentioned in this topic, thats a problem with the people and not the religion itself. While the Bible doesnt agree with homosexuality, it doesnt condone say, stealing a gay pride flag and burning it.

Thats the backwards ass states talking, not Christianity.

Although theres nothing thats free of fault. There are atheists who are dicks but you dont judge all atheists by their actions.

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I actually think that South Park hit the nail on the head. Just replace the Mormon stuff with Christian

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dsmyzC4AkFQ

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YugiNoob posted...

As mentioned in this topic, thats a problem with the people and not the religion itself. While the Bible doesnt agree with homosexuality, it doesnt condone say, stealing a gay pride flag and burning it.

Thats the backwards ass states talking, not Christianity.

Although theres nothing thats free of fault. There are atheists who are dicks but you dont judge all atheists by their actions.

Thats great it doesnt condone burning a flag, that was nonexistent at the time. It just teaches eradicating a town of homosexuals is ok.

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Teenman posted...

Thats great it doesnt condone burning a flag, that was nonexistent at the time. It just teaches eradicating a town of homosexuals is ok.

It certainly doesn't

If you are referring to Sodom and Gomorra and the cities around them, their wrong doing wasn't just because "they were gay" it was a because of the sexual immorality the men in the city practised often


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Teenman posted...

Thats great it doesnt condone burning a flag, that was nonexistent at the time. It just teaches eradicating a town of homosexuals is ok.

Ummm it also doesnt condone theft, which WAS existent at the time. Not to mention that not everything in the Bible was meant to apply directly to this day and age. Things like stoning adulterers and crucifying thieves havent exactly carried over have they?

Long story short, Jesus was the reason that Christianity doesnt condone the genocide of homosexuals. The New Testament deals with things a lot differently than the murdery Old Testament. Its the fault of the people who misinterpreted the Bible, not the religion itself.

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im not 13 posted...

It certainly doesn't

If you are referring to Sodom and Gomorra and the cities around them, their wrong doing wasn't just because "they were gay" it was a because of the sexual immorality the men in the city practised often

Gotcha, so its ok to kill people if you dont agree with their sex lives. There are dark sides to the Christian Bible. Not sure why excuses are always made when they come up.

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YugiNoob posted...

Ummm it also doesnt condone theft, which WAS existent at the time. Not to mention that not everything in the Bible was meant to apply directly to this day and age. Things like stoning adulterers and crucifying thieves havent exactly carried over have they?

Long story short, Jesus was the reason that Christianity doesnt condone the genocide of homosexuals. The New Testament deals with things a lot differently than the murdery Old Testament. Its the fault of the people who misinterpreted the Bible, not the religion itself.

I guess I have forgotten what it was like to have a discussion with the religious about their texts. We arent going to agree on this, however I hope you have a great rest of the day.

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It's wrong, as in factually incorrect and unsupported by evidence. That's all the reason I need not to believe.

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The Bible should not be used as anyone's basis for morality.

I hate Christianity because it was the driving force for all of today's modern advancements.

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Teenman posted...

Gotcha, so its ok to kill people if you dont agree with their sex lives. There are dark sides to the Christian Bible. Not sure why excuses are always made when they come up.

People died for a lot less in the Bible...A LOT less. And we can both agree that nobody agrees with rape.

As YugiNoob said the bible Jesus did away with such harsh punishments and taught a more tolerable gospel. For you to say the bible condone killing gays is false my friend.

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im not 13 posted...

People died for a lot less in the Bible...A LOT less. And we can both agree that nobody agrees with rape.

As YugiNoob said the bible Jesus did away with such harsh punishments and taught a more tolerable gospel. For you to say the bible condone killing gays is false my friend.

As far as the old testament goes, it does condone killing of many different groups based on beliefs, morality and sexuality. However like I said to YugiNoob.

I guess I have forgotten what it was like to have a discussion with the religious about their texts. We arent going to agree on this, however I hope you have a great rest of the day.

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The New Testament did away with the "the punishment for literally everything is death" mentality of the Old Testament (it was relatively progressive after all). Still not a good moral standard though.

Chief of all, the hypocrisy between the ideas of the church is more than the institution, its the people and we follow the will of God when secular bullshit like bigotry and political leanings are faith-based.

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What I dislike about Christianity is the same thing that I dislike about basically every other religion. There is no reason to believe that it is any more valid or less made up than all the other religions out there that any believer of Christianity most likely dismiss without "studying".

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ArchiePeck posted...

The bigotry around homosexuality is fairly inexcusable.

What if God insists upon it to the point that you go to hell and get tortured for eternity if you dont comply?
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I never got the whole Jesus birth thing. Where God impregnates a woman. I think Jews are right that Jesus was a regular man.

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Lebronwon posted...

I never got the whole Jesus birth thing. Where God impregnates a woman. I think Jews are right that Jesus was a regular man.

FYI, the Jews back then rejected Jesus, because Jesus said everyone can get to heaven; not just Jews.
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The self-righteous hypocrisy of it.
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Son of God. This is clearly chauvinistic and reinforces gender stereotypes. I propose we change it to Person of God. Also God made man in his image. Lets change it to God made person in them/they image.

Loving and worshiping and unquestioning someone you're supposed to fear.

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USSLiberty posted...

FYI, the Jews back then rejected Jesus, because Jesus said everyone can get to heaven; not just Jews.

there were all sorts of reasons jews back then disliked jesus. one was him claiming to be god. jesus's own family admitted he was insane.

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WorldMaggot posted...

Son of God. This is clearly chauvinistic and reinforces gender stereotypes. I propose we change it to Person of God. Also God made man in his image. Lets change it to God made person in them/they image.

So you expect God to change His gender to appease you?
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