Poll of the Day > Prequel trilogy > Disney trilogy

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Both suffer from poor writing and directing, but at least the prequels had a good story and cool new characters like Qui-Gon, Mace, and Darth Maul

Disney's trilogy suffers in story and characters on top of bad directing and writing

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Prequel trilogy = original trilogy = disney trilogy

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Cant say I agree, but theres things I like and dislike from both trilogies

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I like Disney Triology (so far) waaaaaaaay more than Prequel. But I will say I do like the world and character build-up that happen in the prequels.

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mace windu was just an angry black man as a jefdi,
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We'll see. If Episode IX is as bad/pointless as VIII, then yes, I'll agree.

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I dunno I think they're just bad in different ways.

Also the 9th movie isn't even out yet so you can't even make a definite statement at this point

i like force awakens a little more than phantom menace, but clones way more than the last jedi. that might sound like praise but i still think episode 1 was terrible and i only ever watch it cause i need nostalgia and i'm kind of OCD about trilogies.

i actually like episode 3 though, and based on the last jedi i really don't feel like 9 will compare to it. it doesn't look good for disney imho.

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OG > Pre > Disney.

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SRPGinvestigato posted...

I dunno I think they're just bad in different ways.

Also the 9th movie isn't even out yet so you can't even make a definite statement at this point

Based on what rian johnson left them and what is already announced, there's very little chance its better than 3

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Prequels are worse

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Star Wars was never good.

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Prequel memes though.
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Prequels are way better than Disney.

The prequels tell a much better story with much better characters and is infinitely quotable with dank memes celebrated by fans.

The Disney trilogy has absolutely nothing on this and is the only trilogy that is politically motivated and led by multiple idiots who could care less about the success about the movies or Star Wars in general.

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I disagree. But I can't do my own simplified inequality to argue with you because I don't know the greater than/less than symbol that means "when taken as a whole, they're equally terrible, only in significantly different ways".



Muscles posted...

but at least the prequels had a good story and cool new characters

I'm not sure you actually watched the same prequels the rest of us did.

Did Lucas secretly make a different cut that was actually good, that he keeps hidden and only shows to select people? And you somehow got to see it?



Muscles posted...

cool new characters like Qui-Gon, Mace, and Darth Maul

Two of those are neither cool nor good, and one of them isn't actually a character.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

mace windu was just an angry black man as a jefdi,

If he had actually been an angry black guy, he would have been a more interesting character.

He was more of a bland cardboard black guy. Who was supposed to remind you of a cool/angry black guy by proxy because of who they cast.

The only time Mace was ever really an interesting character was in the Clone Wars cartoon Lucas refused to consider canon because he didn't write it, and it was better than anything he'd done for about 14 years.
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I agree with TC.

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If you just wanna sit the trios of movies next to each other (the most boring way) then prequels win for Darth maul and episode 3.
if you let all the worldbuilding stuff and supplementary material in it stops being remotely fair with prequels just curbstomping.

The Disney trilogy feels like adventures for the sake of adventures but the prequels were there to add context and weight to the original movies, making it all about characters since the events that take place have no business dwarfing the rebellion vs the empire in the originals.

The Disney trilogy protags are especially bad since they're the focus and Sheev coming back throws any hope for Kylo or Snoke (lol snoke) as villains out of the window. Like that time he threw Mace Windu out of a window.

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Assuming the IX leaks are true, the Prequel trilogy will absolutely be better.

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aHappySacka posted...

The prequels tell a much better story with much better characters (for the most part) and is infinitely quotable with dank memes celebrated by fans.
The Disney trilogy has absolutely nothing on this and is the only trilogy that is politically motivated

I can agree with that. Still has garbage script, humor, and pacing, though. Also suffers from something that almost every film in the series has, which is a fixation on Rule of Cool.

Bolded part is outright false. The prequels are the most political films of all of them by far. You just take issue with the politics in the new movies and don't take issue with the politics in the other films. It's a bit funny, tbh, how many people forget that like half of the story of the prequels was hyper-focused on politics just because the messages in there don't raise their hackles.

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LeetCheet posted...

Prequel memes though.

this is a good point tbh

the prequels absolutely have the best memes and has strangely made them more entertaining to watch imo

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Gaawa_chan posted...

The prequels are the most political films of all of them by far. You just take issue with the politics in the new movies and don't take issue with the politics in the other films.

He likely just didn't understand the politics when he watched the movies as a kid, and hasn't really gone back and rewatched them with a critical eye since.

Just like most of the people in my generation who watched the original movies didn't quite pick up on the fact that the Empire were blatantly Space Nazis and the Ewoks were mostly included as a commentary on innocents getting killed in the crossfire of other people's wars.
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Muscles posted...

but at least the prequels had a good story

Funniest thing I've read all week.

The prequels' story was absolute trash. Like, honestly probably the worst plot I've ever seen in a big-budget film this side of M. Night Shyamalan.

Episode I was strung together with bits of nonsense and stupidity, and yet it still somehow managed to be more coherent than Episode II, where people literally do complete random bullshit purely because it's the only way Lucas could think of for the plot to go where he wanted it to. These two movies - AotC in particular - just have the most absolute fucking loopy plots when you actually sit down and think them through rather than watch the pretty explosions.

RotS managed to avoid the logical inconsistencies of its predecessors, but only because it basically took the end of AotC and the beginning of ANH and connected them with absolutely no twists, surprises, or interesting plot developments. The plot to RotS is simply boring and that still manages to be an improvement over the first two prequels.

Say what you will about the sequel trilogy's problems - and there are several - at least its plot makes sense. At least it has actors who can act, scriptwriters who actually understand how human beings talk to each other, directors who know what a second take is.

The prequels are just trash films and I'll be darkly impressed if any major motion picture plumbs the depths they reached again.

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At least the sequels don't have Jar Jar Binks stepping in shit.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

If he had actually been an angry black guy, he would have been a more interesting character.

He was more of a bland cardboard black guy. Who was supposed to remind you of a cool/angry black guy by proxy because of who they cast.

Don't remind me. Windu was such an incredible missed opportunity.

Jackson could have been such an amazing dynamic character if you'd made him a Republic general or a bounty hunter or a crime boss or... well, basically anything other than a Jedi Master, especially one who spends 90% of his time sitting in a chair scowling at people.

If they absolutely, positively had to keep him as a Jedi, they at least could have given him something to do. Set him up as the leader of an internal faction, one that was in favour of more intervention and participation in the Clone Wars where an opposing faction, perhaps led by Yoda, would be in favour of pacifism and non-involvement in political affairs. There's all sorts of interesting storylines that could make, especially in terms of how it would tie in to Obi-Wan (noted in the OT as being a talented general, so probably someone who would fall-in with Mace) and Anakin.

The Jedi were just so painfully dull for most of the prequel trilogy, and Mace seems to embody that more than anyone.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

He likely just didn't understand the politics when he watched the movies as a kid, and hasn't really gone back and rewatched them with a critical eye since.

Just like most of the people in my generation who watched the original movies didn't quite pick up on the fact that the Empire were blatantly Space Nazis and the Ewoks were mostly included as a commentary on innocents getting killed in the crossfire of other people's wars.

ewoks were there because lucas loves inferior forces beating the enemy
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darkknight109 posted...

Funniest thing I've read all week.

The prequels' story was absolute trash. Like, honestly probably the worst plot I've ever seen in a big-budget film this side of M. Night Shyamalan.

Episode I was strung together with bits of nonsense and stupidity, and yet it still somehow managed to be more coherent than Episode II, where people literally do complete random bullshit purely because it's the only way Lucas could think of for the plot to go where he wanted it to. These two movies - AotC in particular - just have the most absolute fucking loopy plots when you actually sit down and think them through rather than watch the pretty explosions.

RotS managed to avoid the logical inconsistencies of its predecessors, but only because it basically took the end of AotC and the beginning of ANH and connected them with absolutely no twists, surprises, or interesting plot developments. The plot to RotS is simply boring and that still manages to be an improvement over the first two prequels.

Say what you will about the sequel trilogy's problems - and there are several - at least its plot makes sense. At least it has actors who can act, scriptwriters who actually understand how human beings talk to each other, directors who know what a second take is.

The prequels are just trash films and I'll be darkly impressed if any major motion picture plumbs the depths they reached again.

Story =/= plot

Also you are giving the Disney trilogy too much credit, their plots are fucking trash too. Their actors can't act, they have no charisma and no depth whatsoever, and no they really don't talk like actual people, the writing is bad in there too.

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Muscles posted...

Story =/= plot

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I have a soft spot for palpy, otherwise prequels were absolute garbage. Nothing in sequel is quite as good as him but on average the sequel is better.

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darkknight109 posted...

The Jedi were just so painfully dull for most of the prequel trilogy, and Mace seems to embody that more than anyone.

I actually kinda think that was the point.

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Here's how I see it, if I wanted to watch Force Awakens, I'd just watch A New Hope, because it's a better version of the same movie.

And I just never want to see Last Jedi ever again.

So if I was in the mood to watch something stupid, the Prequels are more entertaining because there are more interesting things to see in it.

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Partially.

Revenge of the Sith > The Force Awakens > The Phantom Menace > Attack of the Clones > The Last Jedi.

Cant to see The Rise of Skywalker, though, and decide where I rank it.

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LeetCheet posted...

Prequel memes though.

Prequel memes are better than everything except Empire

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Muscles posted...

Story =/= plot

And both were shit, however you want to define them.

Muscles posted...

Also you are giving the Disney trilogy too much credit, their plots are fucking trash too.

About the worst you can say about TFA's plot is that it was a blatant rip-off, so unless you also think ANH had a trash plot, there's really no basis there.

TLJ was controversial, but I enjoyed it and, again, at least the plot made logical sense.

Muscles posted...

Their actors can't act, they have no charisma and no depth whatsoever

I would watch 10 hours of my least favourite characters from the sequels over 30 minutes of suffering through Hayden Christensen.

Muscles posted...

and no they really don't talk like actual people, the writing is bad in there too.

There is nothing in the sequels that even comes close to the putrescence of the PT's dialogue and that's about as close to objective fact as you're going to get in discussions of a movie's quality. I mean seriously, the PT gave us:
-"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"
-"Love won't save you, Padme, only my new powers can do that!"
-"I'm haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me."
-Now that Im with you again, Im in agony. My heart is beating, hoping that that kiss will not become a scar.
-"He said you killed younglings!

Even the sequels' clumsiest dialogue isn't as bad as any of those.

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1. So the whole clone wars story was shit? Ok, you can think that but it's way more interesting than mary sue and her token diverse friends with no personality doing whatever the plot dictates

2. Yes, cheap ripoffs are worse than what they rip off, and tlj was garbage, the plots were stupid filler and none of the characters progressed at all, kylo was still evil but tempted by the light and rey was still good but tempted by the dark side, finn did nothing of importance to the story in either movie, and in the 2nd one he took up like an hour of filler on his side quest, poe didnt do shit either, tlj was 100% filler where no one progresses at all and holdo and rose make jar jar look like a good character

3. That was due to bad writing, the characters themselves at least had understandable motives, the new characters are just pawns for the plot

4. Again that was bad writing, which both suffered from, neither are the OT, or even the Clone Wars

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The thing I dont like is bad, because it is bad. However the thing I like is good, because it is good.

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Rogue one might be my favorite star wars film. I probably need to rewatch the OG trilogy, but rogue one is for sure better than the other "new" movies

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green dragon posted...

Rogue one might be my favorite star wars film. I probably need to rewatch the OG trilogy, but rogue one is for sure better than the other "new" movies

Solo is better as well.

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Mead posted...

The thing I dont like is bad, because it is bad. However the thing I like is good, because it is good.

Actually I outlined why it is bad, but ok

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Muscles posted...

Yes, cheap ripoffs are worse than what they rip off, and tlj was garbage, the plots were stupid filler and none of the characters progressed at all, kylo was still evil but tempted by the light and rey was still good but tempted by the dark side, finn did nothing of importance to the story in either movie, and in the 2nd one he took up like an hour of filler on his side quest, poe didnt do shit either, tlj was 100% filler where no one progresses at all and holdo and rose make jar jar look like a good character

What a reasonable and well-written criticism

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In TLJ, the whole movie was just them trying to outrun the TFO while being low on gas.

And there is no logic in not telling their plan to the whole crew.

If that Purple-haired woman just told everyone what they were trying to do, then there wouldn't be any mutiny and they wouldn't have lost so many innocent lives for nothing.

I'm not saying everything made perfect sense in the prequels either but jeez.
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Muscles posted...

So the whole clone wars story was shit?

*What* Clone Wars story? It started at the end of the second movie and it was over by midway through the third. We were never given any reason why the confederacy wanted to secede from the Republic or why the Republic wanted them to stay. We have no idea what life was like for ordinary citizens under either government.

The only "content" to the wars consisted of a couple of battle scenes with no greater story significance where it was impossible to tell who was winning and by how much.

Not to mention, it completely kills any sense of suspence when it's apparent from the outset that the same guy is running both sides and all of the soldiers consist of combat automata (clones on one side, droids on the other). There's absolutely no drama to that story and the movies gave me absolutely zero reason to care about it.

Muscles posted...

Ok, you can think that but it's way more interesting than mary sue and her token diverse friends with no personality doing whatever the plot dictates

And you actually think the prequels were better in that regard? Please.

Let's take a look at AotC, just for a laugh

We start with Padme getting targeted by an assassination attempt by a supposedly famed and feared bounty hunter. He blows up her ship and when that doesn't work, decides to "go for something more subtle". Yes, sure, that makes sense - let's try subtle when her guard is up and her security is going to be on high alert, as opposed to doing the subtle thing first when she doesn't realize she's being targeted for assassination.

Despite this being a high profile target that would presumably warrant his personal intervention, Fett subcontracts to a second hunter, Zam Wessel, who sub-sub contracts to her droid. Wessel's role in the plot appeared to be taking some bugs from Jango, carrying them literally ten feet to a waiting droid, and putting them inside. Right. Sure.

Over at the Amidala residence, we see that the Republic security team is on the ball by assigning Padme a whopping two Jedi as bodyguards and leaving her in her usual apartment instead of moving her to more secure surroundings. Creepy McGee succeeds in weirding her out badly enough that she disables the security camera in her room, despite the fact that the entire reason he and Obi-Wan are there is to protect her from an assassination attempt. Incredibly, the Jedi are even dumber than she is, so when they notice she's turned the camera off they decide, instead of immediately knocking on her door and asking her to turn it back on for her safety, to start bickering with one another instead

The assassination droid arrives, cuts a hole in Padme's window, and at that point it really should have been game over for her. The droid could use a blaster or a bomb or even a simple knife and killed her before the Jedi realized anything was amiss. However, in a stroke of good fortune, it turns out that between Wessel and Fett they have come up with the one specific assassination method that the Jedi will be able to detect and thwart due to its reliance on living creatures. The Jedi arrive to save the day, the droid books it, and Obi-Wan makes the questionable decision to jump and try and grab onto the droid, rendering himself helpless, despite having no idea if it can support his weight or if it has a weapon that it could use against him. Luckily for him, instead of keelhauling him, flying off into the night, or just self-destructing, it instead makes a few half-hearted attempts to shake him off before obediently flying directly back to its owner with him still hanging on. Anakin races off to go join them, ensuring that Padme is left totally unprotected in the event that the hunters were waiting nearby to confirm the kill. Fortunately for her, they're just as bad at their jobs as the Jedi, so they have no backup plan for what to do if their little plot fails

Some stuff happens, and Wessel winds up fleeing into a bar to escape the Jedi. At this point she - whom the movie takes great pains to point out is a shapeshifter - could just change into someone else and get the fuck out of dodge to plan her next move. Instead, she attempts to jump one of them despite the fact that they're not her target, killing them gets her nothing, and the attack would draw a significant amount of attention to her, something she is trying to avoid. Predictably, this ends badly for her, resulting in her capture. Nearby, Jango - who, for some reason, did not intervene at all in the mission prior to this point - decides to silence her to prevent her from spilling the beans. However, to do this he uses the one weapon in his considerable arsenal that can be traced back to his current base of operations, a planet he and his employer have spent significant time and effort trying to hide from the Jedi. This action eventually leads Obi-Wan directly to him, nearly undoing the better part of a decade of Palpatine's scheming. He then flies off into the night, while the Jedi watch helplessly from below; it never occurs to either party that he, having confirmed that both her guards are stranded at a distant bar, could use this opportunity to head back to Padme's apartment and finish her off

That's just one part of the story and the PT is riddled with these. I could go on for pages about the ridiculous set-ups and insane leaps of logic that the prequels rely on to try and put together a narrative. It's just... so fucking bad. It's like the entire plot was written by a tweaking meth-head

Muscles posted...

kylo was still evil but tempted by the light. rey was still good but tempted by the dark side

Sounds like Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker.

Muscles posted...

finn did nothing of importance to the story in either movie, and in the 2nd one he took up like an hour of filler on his side quest

Sure, as long as you don't count setting up the entire climax of the movie.

Episode VIII was the first time I can recall - in *any* fictional work that I've read/watched/played - where the protagonists plot out this one-in-a-million scheme and it actually does what it would do in real life and blows up in their faces. The subsequent scene where everything suddenly goes to shit, the Resistance starts getting blasted to pieces, and Holdo is forced into her own desperate gambit are the high point of the film (and I honestly wouldn't have been disappointed if they'd ended it there). That scene is only possible tha

Let's judge a trilogy when 2 of 3 movies have released.

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LeetCheet posted...

And there is no logic in not telling their plan to the whole crew.

Sure there was. The movie points out that there have been desertions as crew members have tried to flee in escape pods. The entire plan hinged on secrecy. If some terrified soul fled to the First Order and sold them out (or was captured trying to bail in an escape pod), it would have resulted in the deaths of everyone onboard.

Notably, the plan would have worked and the only reason it went tits up is because Poe was dumb enough to blab details of it on a comm line while someone with no loyalty to the Resistance was listening in. Had he actually shut up and followed orders, he and everyone else would have made it to Crait with no issues and with the First Order believing they had all died with their ships.

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Tbf, the Prequel trilogy is better due to how much the EU benefited from it.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Two of those are neither cool nor good, and one of them isn't actually a character.

While he did list some weird choices... I'll still take any of them over the Sequel trilogy characters. Most of the OT trilogy characters were better in the Prequel trilogy than the Sequel trilogy too.

At least the prequels had an original story and didn't have half a movie wasted. I haven't seen episode 9 so we'll see which is better.

Unpopular opinion: I don't think the original trilogy was that great either

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Muscles posted...

but at least the prequels had a good story

https://i.imgur.com/YMC6hSf.gif

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The Disney trilogy is very, very bad.
The prequels trilogy is bad.
The original trilogy is good.

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