Board 8 > X-Men Draft Round 2: Gold Division

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scarletspeed7 11/24/19 1:02:37 PM #1:	Rules: 1) Players are divided into two divisions. Each round, players will face one opponent in two categories. These categories are: "Fight" and "Pitch". 2) "Fight" matches should be voted on with the following criteria: "Who would win in a fight?" -Characters are expected to have the abilities (and limitations) from their last living appearance. -All fights will take place on a habitable uncolonized moon of Saturn where there is a temperate climate, water, air, flora, fauna, etc. -Teams are kept in an isolated, impenetrable chamber prior to the beginning of conflict and are unaware of their opponents until the fight begins. -The only directive supplied to these teams is that they must defeat their opponents. If the do not attempt to do so, Earth will be destroyed. -Voters should consider the potential conflicts within teams as a factor (can characters with negative relationships work together), as well as the intelligence of the characters, resourcefulness, etc. 3) "Pitch" matches should be voted on with the following criteria: "Which pitch would make a better series?" -All pitches must feature rosters in the Marvel Universe (616). No alternate realities or future skips, etc. It must take place alongside the rest of Marvel continuity. -Voters should consider team name, roster, cohesiveness, quality of concept, and whether the team fits with the concept, among any other criteria they wish to consider. -Voters should NOT consider whether a dead character is suddenly alive in this pitch. Voters SHOULD consider other aspects of team status; if characters would make sense working together, if characters have abilities that are mutually exclusive, etc. -Pitches should be one paragraph (No more than two). -Players can rewrite/rework their pitches between each round. 4) Anyone who is not involved in a specific match can vote for either team in either category. The player with the most votes in one of the categories will get a win in said category. 5) After each player has faced seven opponents, the players with the best "Fight" records in each division will face off and the players with the best "Pitch" records will face off. 6) Rosters each week will be made up ONLY of 6 members of the team. Every character must be active against at least three distinct opponents. Every character must also be inactive against at least three distinct opponents. 9) Between rounds, players may make one-for-one trades with any other player. 10) Rosters must always house exactly ten members. 11) You have 72 hours to vote. Rosters: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oMXJ7yV_srLGwN7WBO1YgGAIzobC2ZgHohGI5jz5y-E/edit?usp=sharing Quick Pick Form (Bold your Choices): Fight DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930626627] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Rules: 1) Players are divided into two divisions. Each round, players will face one opponent in two categories. These categories are: "Fight" and "Pitch". 2) "Fight" matches should be voted on with the following criteria: "Who would win in a fight?" -Characters are expected to have the abilities (and limitations) from their last living appearance. -All fights will take place on a habitable uncolonized moon of Saturn where there is a temperate climate, water, air, flora, fauna, etc. -Teams are kept in an isolated, impenetrable chamber prior to the beginning of conflict and are unaware of their opponents until the fight begins. -The only directive supplied to these teams is that they must defeat their opponents. If the do not attempt to do so, Earth will be destroyed. -Voters should consider the potential conflicts within teams as a factor (can characters with negative relationships work together), as well as the intelligence of the characters, resourcefulness, etc. 3) "Pitch" matches should be voted on with the following criteria: "Which pitch would make a better series?" -All pitches must feature rosters in the Marvel Universe (616). No alternate realities or future skips, etc. It must take place alongside the rest of Marvel continuity. -Voters should consider team name, roster, cohesiveness, quality of concept, and whether the team fits with the concept, among any other criteria they wish to consider. -Voters should NOT consider whether a dead character is suddenly alive in this pitch. Voters SHOULD consider other aspects of team status; if characters would make sense working together, if characters have abilities that are mutually exclusive, etc. -Pitches should be one paragraph (No more than two). -Players can rewrite/rework their pitches between each round. 4) Anyone who is not involved in a specific match can vote for either team in either category. The player with the most votes in one of the categories will get a win in said category. 5) After each player has faced seven opponents, the players with the best "Fight" records in each division will face off and the players with the best "Pitch" records will face off. 6) Rosters each week will be made up ONLY of 6 members of the team. Every character must be active against at least three distinct opponents. Every character must also be inactive against at least three distinct opponents. 9) Between rounds, players may make one-for-one trades with any other player. 10) Rosters must always house exactly ten members. 11) You have 72 hours to vote. Rosters: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oMXJ7yV_srLGwN7WBO1YgGAIzobC2ZgHohGI5jz5y-E/edit?usp=sharing Quick Pick Form (Bold your Choices): Fight DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/24/19 1:04:18 PM #2:	DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb Doops X-Angels Amanda Sefton is a witch and one-time ruler of Limbo. One day a magical vision struck her: Mutants in cages, Xavier's dream dead. Only through assembling a specific team of shadow operatives could the terrible future be averted. Doop, Kitty Pride, the undead Ororo Munroe, Revanche, Omega Sentinel, Warbird, Blink, Feral, Callisto. Amanda gathered this squad, dedicated to aiding mutants who slipped through the cracks. The Mutant Underground would see them to safety. The only catch is, Amanda also envisioned that the end of this road would be the death of the entire group, including herself. Only in that way could Xavier's dream ultimately be saved. Amanda Sefton has not shared this fact Fight Lineup: Doop Shadowcat Revanche Blink Bloodstorm Omega Sentinel MLA: Muntant Liberation Alliance With incredible new powers and no longer speadheading the X-Force, Theresa Cassidy goes out in search of a new team to lead to fill the void left by Jamie Madrox. She happens upon a lone Cloak who is desperately searching for his suddenly missing partner Dagger. Together they form the Mutant Liberation Alliance, a group of like-minded mutants with the mission to independently free any mutant under duress or being held against their will. Siryn brings together her previous teammates Sunspot and Darwin while Cloak contacts previous teammate Iceman, as well as a handful of young mutants including Jimmy Hudson, the son of Wolverine looking to find his place in the world, and Wind Dancer, a young woman Siryn takes a special interest in as a sort of protege, who is herself lost after the disbanding of the New Warriors. Meanwhile, Siryn brings in a mysterious mutant with incredible powers simply going by the name Reflection, whose identity is a slowly unfolding mystery to both the team AND to the reader. Over time it will be revealed Siryn has located and hypnotically seduced the cruel Sebastian Shaw, secretly utilizing his vast array of resources while keeping him disguised. With Siryn and Cloak using their teleportation to lead the way, the team goes out in search of both Dagger and any other missing or captured mutants. Fight Lineup: Sunspot Sebastian Shaw Darwin Northstar Cloak Jimmy Hudson --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930626673] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb <quote>Doops X-Angels Amanda Sefton is a witch and one-time ruler of Limbo. One day a magical vision struck her: Mutants in cages, Xavier's dream dead. Only through assembling a specific team of shadow operatives could the terrible future be averted. Doop, Kitty Pride, the undead Ororo Munroe, Revanche, Omega Sentinel, Warbird, Blink, Feral, Callisto. Amanda gathered this squad, dedicated to aiding mutants who slipped through the cracks. The Mutant Underground would see them to safety. The only catch is, Amanda also envisioned that the end of this road would be the death of the entire group, including herself. Only in that way could Xavier's dream ultimately be saved. Amanda Sefton has not shared this fact</quote> Fight Lineup: Doop Shadowcat Revanche Blink Bloodstorm Omega Sentinel <quote>MLA: Muntant Liberation Alliance With incredible new powers and no longer speadheading the X-Force, Theresa Cassidy goes out in search of a new team to lead to fill the void left by Jamie Madrox. She happens upon a lone Cloak who is desperately searching for his suddenly missing partner Dagger. Together they form the Mutant Liberation Alliance, a group of like-minded mutants with the mission to independently free any mutant under duress or being held against their will. Siryn brings together her previous teammates Sunspot and Darwin while Cloak contacts previous teammate Iceman, as well as a handful of young mutants including Jimmy Hudson, the son of Wolverine looking to find his place in the world, and Wind Dancer, a young woman Siryn takes a special interest in as a sort of protege, who is herself lost after the disbanding of the New Warriors. Meanwhile, Siryn brings in a mysterious mutant with incredible powers simply going by the name Reflection, whose identity is a slowly unfolding mystery to both the team AND to the reader. Over time it will be revealed Siryn has located and hypnotically seduced the cruel Sebastian Shaw, secretly utilizing his vast array of resources while keeping him disguised. With Siryn and Cloak using their teleportation to lead the way, the team goes out in search of both Dagger and any other missing or captured mutants.</quote> Fight Lineup: Sunspot Sebastian Shaw Darwin Northstar Cloak Jimmy Hudson </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/24/19 1:04:50 PM #3:	IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket Object Impermutants The troubles started when Kitty Pryde went missing two weeks ago. First, she was simply MIA, then days went past and no one could contact her, and then... people began denying having ever known her to begin with. James Howlett, Charles Xavier, even Peter Rasputin expressed confusion, even saying they'd never even heard her name before. Then others began to disappear, the people that had loved them paying no mind, as if they'd been erased from existance. Kurt Wagner, otherwise known as Nightcrawler, his daughter, T.J, or Nocturne, are visited by others that are discovering that their compatriots and families are forgetting them as well, even when they're with them. This started from Layla Miller, whose visions of the future are being corrupted by people hat once prominently featured in them vanishing, to Karasu, whose brother no longer acknowledges her, to young Gabby Kinney, whose adopted sister, X-23, is beginning to not remember who she is, although both are fighting to stave off the Vanishing. A situation that Kurt, to his horror, is starting to realize is beginning to be mirrored with T.J. They gather those four, along with six others with smaller social circles that are also at risk of Vanishing. Can they discover the cause, and who's responsible in this 12 issue series? * This is being pitched as a 12 issues series because Nightcrawler has never had a starring/leadig role in a series that went past 12 issues, and I am managing expectations. Fight Lineup:* Nightcrawler Cypher Nocturne Chamber Sway No-Girl Rocket X Weapon X. For decades they have been a scourge to mutantkind. Wolverine, X-23, Deadpool, and many more, the list of victims and atrocities committed was long. Now, rumors have surfaced that Weapon X has returned in a new secret base to continue theirtwisted experiments. X-23, aka Laura Kinney, has assembled an elite team of mutants to destroy the base and put an end to Weapon X once and for all. Fight Lineup: Marvel Girl Sabretooth Darkstar Cannonball Bling! Lockheed --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930626697] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket <quote>Object Impermutants The troubles started when Kitty Pryde went missing two weeks ago. First, she was simply MIA, then days went past and no one could contact her, and then... people began denying having ever known her to begin with. James Howlett, Charles Xavier, even Peter Rasputin expressed confusion, even saying they'd never even heard her name before. Then others began to disappear, the people that had loved them paying no mind, as if they'd been erased from existance. Kurt Wagner, otherwise known as Nightcrawler, his daughter, T.J, or Nocturne, are visited by others that are discovering that their compatriots and families are forgetting them as well, even when they're with them. This started from Layla Miller, whose visions of the future are being corrupted by people hat once prominently featured in them vanishing, to Karasu, whose brother no longer acknowledges her, to young Gabby Kinney, whose adopted sister, X-23, is beginning to not remember who she is, although both are fighting to stave off the Vanishing. A situation that Kurt, to his horror, is starting to realize is beginning to be mirrored with T.J. They gather those four, along with six others with smaller social circles that are also at risk of Vanishing. Can they discover the cause, and who's responsible in this 12 issue series? * *This is being pitched as a 12 issues series because Nightcrawler has never had a starring/leadig role in a series that went past 12 issues, and I am managing expectations.</quote> Fight Lineup: Nightcrawler Cypher Nocturne Chamber Sway No-Girl <quote>Rocket X Weapon X. For decades they have been a scourge to mutantkind. Wolverine, X-23, Deadpool, and many more, the list of victims and atrocities committed was long. Now, rumors have surfaced that Weapon X has returned in a new secret base to continue theirtwisted experiments. X-23, aka Laura Kinney, has assembled an elite team of mutants to destroy the base and put an end to Weapon X once and for all.</quote> Fight Lineup: Marvel Girl Sabretooth Darkstar Cannonball Bling! Lockheed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/24/19 1:06:18 PM #4:	ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 X-treme After returning from a dystopian future where psychic invaders have decimated the human and mutant populations, Gateway teleports to the Xavier School to make contect with Charles Xavier. Upon learning of this dark future Xavier promptly gathers former and current students in order to address the situation. However, Gateway isn't the only individual to notice the imminent danger and both Crusader X and Longshot approach the Proffesor to inform him that the invaders responsible for this devestation aren't just incomming, but some advanced scouts have already arrived. With this knowledge available, Gasteway took a team consisting of Monet St. Croix, Copycat, Sprite, Wildchild and Crusader X to root out one of these scouting groups. Fight Lineup: Mimic Professor X Triage Longshot M Crusader X Brotherhood of Righteous Mutants Body broken by battle, Vulcan's final act as Emperor of the Shi'ar was a retreat; boarding his escape ship, he set course for Earth before passing out in the ship's stasis chamber. His arrival was sensed by X-Man, still keeping tabs on reality from inside his "Age of X-Man" pocket universe, with the return of a mutant as powerful as he was caught his attention. Barely clinging to life in stasis, X-Man retrieved Vulcan and brought him back to his "Age", to be treated and healed of his injuries - both physical, and psychological. When he awoke from his coma, some time had passed; to his left was X-Man, and to his right, Petra, his friend and only surviving former teammate. X-Man explained what happened, how he had told Petra the situation and before he could ask her, she volunteered, wanting to be by his side during the recovery process. Vulcan was glad to see her; but also, cured of the insanity which had gripped him since his reawakening in "Deadly Genesis", was wracked with incredible guilt for what he had done and the lives he had taken. Other than Petra, the only other people he wanted to see were his brothers, Cyclops and Havok; while Havok was offworld as part of a team of X-Men, Avengers, and Fantastic Four summoned to tackle a cosmic crisis, X-Man was able to reach out to Cyclops, bringing him to the "Age" and reuniting him with his brother. Vulcan apologized for what he had done, even if under the grip of insanity, and wanted to dedicate his life to helping the X-Men and try to make up for all the wrong he did... and he would soon be given the opportunity. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930626769] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 <quote>X-treme After returning from a dystopian future where psychic invaders have decimated the human and mutant populations, Gateway teleports to the Xavier School to make contect with Charles Xavier. Upon learning of this dark future Xavier promptly gathers former and current students in order to address the situation. However, Gateway isn't the only individual to notice the imminent danger and both Crusader X and Longshot approach the Proffesor to inform him that the invaders responsible for this devestation aren't just incomming, but some advanced scouts have already arrived. With this knowledge available, Gasteway took a team consisting of Monet St. Croix, Copycat, Sprite, Wildchild and Crusader X to root out one of these scouting groups.</quote> Fight Lineup: Mimic Professor X Triage Longshot M Crusader X <quote>Brotherhood of Righteous Mutants Body broken by battle, Vulcan's final act as Emperor of the Shi'ar was a retreat; boarding his escape ship, he set course for Earth before passing out in the ship's stasis chamber. His arrival was sensed by X-Man, still keeping tabs on reality from inside his "Age of X-Man" pocket universe, with the return of a mutant as powerful as he was caught his attention. Barely clinging to life in stasis, X-Man retrieved Vulcan and brought him back to his "Age", to be treated and healed of his injuries - both physical, and psychological. When he awoke from his coma, some time had passed; to his left was X-Man, and to his right, Petra, his friend and only surviving former teammate. X-Man explained what happened, how he had told Petra the situation and before he could ask her, she volunteered, wanting to be by his side during the recovery process. Vulcan was glad to see her; but also, cured of the insanity which had gripped him since his reawakening in "Deadly Genesis", was wracked with incredible guilt for what he had done and the lives he had taken. Other than Petra, the only other people he wanted to see were his brothers, Cyclops and Havok; while Havok was offworld as part of a team of X-Men, Avengers, and Fantastic Four summoned to tackle a cosmic crisis, X-Man was able to reach out to Cyclops, bringing him to the "Age" and reuniting him with his brother. Vulcan apologized for what he had done, even if under the grip of insanity, and wanted to dedicate his life to helping the X-Men and try to make up for all the wrong he did... and he would soon be given the opportunity.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/24/19 1:06:40 PM #5:	By the time X-Man had checked in on the main reality again, it was too late. The Shi'ar Empire - who staged the "cosmic crisis" as pretext for emptying Earth of its most powerful heroes - had launched a surprise invasion of Earth and had effectively taken over the entire planet. They knew all the places to strike, including Krakoa, detaining the majority of mutants and inhibiting their powers with standard Shi'ar tech. The Empire was tired of the problems emanating from Earth, culminating in Vulcan's emperorship, and had resolved to formally control Earth by absorbing it into their Imperium. A planet-wide shield was erected to prevent the heroes' return, and captured mutants and inhumans throughout the world were detained, to be teleported to a heavily-secured orbital prison. With only one chance to free one of the groups of prisoners scattered across the world, X-Man's scans located the most potent opportunity, a dedicated holding cell for a small group of mutants with incredible powers to threaten Shi'ar supremacy: Tempus (time), Gaia (reality), Joseph (magnetism), Elixir (healing & death), and Vanisher (group teleportation). Abandoning the "Age" reality, X-Man, Vulcan, Cyclops and Petra struck hard, freed the prisoners and escaped via Vanisher just as reinforcements arrived. Forced to work together to survive, fight back to free the planet, and eventually launch the counter-offensive at the heart of the Shi'ar Empire, their strong teamwork skills and drive to survive set them apart as the pre-eminent Earth-based resistance force... the <b>Brotherhood of Righteous Mutants</b>. Fight Lineup: Vulcan (Gabriel Summers) Elixir (Joshua Foley) X-Man (Nate Grey) Joseph Vanisher (Telford Porter) Phoebe Cuckoo --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930626780] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote><quote>By the time X-Man had checked in on the main reality again, it was too late. The Shi'ar Empire - who staged the "cosmic crisis" as pretext for emptying Earth of its most powerful heroes - had launched a surprise invasion of Earth and had effectively taken over the entire planet. They knew all the places to strike, including Krakoa, detaining the majority of mutants and inhibiting their powers with standard Shi'ar tech. The Empire was tired of the problems emanating from Earth, culminating in Vulcan's emperorship, and had resolved to formally control Earth by absorbing it into their Imperium. A planet-wide shield was erected to prevent the heroes' return, and captured mutants and inhumans throughout the world were detained, to be teleported to a heavily-secured orbital prison. With only one chance to free one of the groups of prisoners scattered across the world, X-Man's scans located the most potent opportunity, a dedicated holding cell for a small group of mutants with incredible powers to threaten Shi'ar supremacy: Tempus (time), Gaia (reality), Joseph (magnetism), Elixir (healing & death), and Vanisher (group teleportation). Abandoning the "Age" reality, X-Man, Vulcan, Cyclops and Petra struck hard, freed the prisoners and escaped via Vanisher just as reinforcements arrived. Forced to work together to survive, fight back to free the planet, and eventually launch the counter-offensive at the heart of the Shi'ar Empire, their strong teamwork skills and drive to survive set them apart as the pre-eminent Earth-based resistance force... the <b>Brotherhood of Righteous Mutants</b>.</quote> Fight Lineup: Vulcan (Gabriel Summers) Elixir (Joshua Foley) X-Man (Nate Grey) Joseph Vanisher (Telford Porter) Phoebe Cuckoo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/24/19 1:07:54 PM #6:	banananor vs. Wicklebee Mutant Intent (leader:Emma Frost) Everyone here has either lost something or never had it in the first place. Power means nothing in the face of society if it isn't used. Emma Frost, following in Juggernaut's wake, has used her considerable psionic powers and willingness to cross the boundaries of society to welcome this band of malcontents and loners into the fold. Their shared values of independence freedom ironically led them together again and again. These mutants are seeking what they need, tying up loose ends, tearing a path through the earth, exploring the joys of shared success, understanding what it means to be a mutant. And sometimes, their shared success involves guaranteeing there is a shared world to be free in. Fight Lineup: Emma Frost Firestar Wither Synch Random Stringfellow eXcalibur It was discovered that King Arthur's crown had jewels that were taken and spread throughout the world, so Captain Britain wanted to build a team to retrieve them. He requested the aid of Valerie Cooper, a U.S. adviser and psychologist for mutants. She brought together old friends of Captain Britain and former Excalibur members along with a team of Mutants and a school teacher who just wishes to find her children. The espionage of Pete Wisdom and thievery of Gambit working together with various other skills could very well find it. The school teacher, however, hides a secret from the group, including some hatred of the leader of this new eXcalibur. Fight Lineup: Gambit Valerie Black Knight Morph Sage Lionheart --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930626841] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>banananor vs. Wicklebee <quote>Mutant Intent (leader:Emma Frost) Everyone here has either lost something or never had it in the first place. Power means nothing in the face of society if it isn't used. Emma Frost, following in Juggernaut's wake, has used her considerable psionic powers and willingness to cross the boundaries of society to welcome this band of malcontents and loners into the fold. Their shared values of independence freedom ironically led them together again and again. These mutants are seeking what they need, tying up loose ends, tearing a path through the earth, exploring the joys of shared success, understanding what it means to be a mutant. And sometimes, their shared success involves guaranteeing there is a shared world to be free in.</quote> Fight Lineup: Emma Frost Firestar Wither Synch Random Stringfellow <quote>eXcalibur It was discovered that King Arthur's crown had jewels that were taken and spread throughout the world, so Captain Britain wanted to build a team to retrieve them. He requested the aid of Valerie Cooper, a U.S. adviser and psychologist for mutants. She brought together old friends of Captain Britain and former Excalibur members along with a team of Mutants and a school teacher who just wishes to find her children. The espionage of Pete Wisdom and thievery of Gambit working together with various other skills could very well find it. The school teacher, however, hides a secret from the group, including some hatred of the leader of this new eXcalibur.</quote> Fight Lineup: Gambit Valerie Black Knight Morph Sage Lionheart </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/24/19 1:31:26 PM #7:	Votes for Pitches: Doop's X-Angels vs. MLA: Mutant Liberation Alliance Doop's X-Angels has become kind of interesting now with the focus of Amanda Sefton. But now I have two glaring issues. First, why is this team still using that heinous, awful name? And secondly, why is Omega Sentinel willing to work with these guys? I adore the character, but I don't buy her willingness to team up with this gang. At the same time, I think most of the MLA concept is interesting. I still hate the complete torpedoing of Shaw as a character here, but it's one glaring concern against two, so MLA barely edges out the win for me here. Object Impermutants vs. Rocket X I'm starting to fall out of love with CPU's team name because it just doesn't roll off the tongue. It's a little complicated for a team name. The pun is very cute and meaningful to what would be a storyline name, but a storyline name is not a series name, even when the story is the entire series. Still, that's not a huge complaint in comparison with my issues with Rocket X. The team name makes no sense. Sabretooth makes more sense with this group, but I really question the need for Colossus AND Sabretooth AND Jean Grey to prop up X-23. There's too many stale, veteran characters here. X-Treme vs. Brotherhood of Righteous Mutants X-Treme loses the name game here like crazy, but man, there is way too much happening in this pitch for the Brotherhood. I can see this title will be extremely wordy and constantly trying to "do things" without ever really lingering on themes or moments. There's a huge amount of rewriting X-Men's status quo happening here, and I just can't get on board with it. And I still see no interesting stakes here. X-Man is literally killing a universe of people to just come aboard this fly-by-night operation? Joseph exists why? X-Treme wins because the weight of the Brotherhood pitch just crushes itself. Mutant Intent vs. eXcalibur The name is a little simpler now, which is great, and eXcalibur has a really clear vision. It's that brilliant Excalibur legacy of having a European continental flavor while still touching the edge of the X-Men universe, and I'm all aboard. Globetrotting heists really make value of the Captain Britain/Gambit relationship, and Valerie Cooper is a perfect facilitator for everything. This team just works. Mutant intent isn't bad (although the name is a little dull), and I could see a potentially interesting title there, but eXcalibur feels both original and faithful to its forerunners, and even the clear interplay of team members here just flies off the page. You can see the roles everyone plays there. This is a matter of a solid pitch just going up against an excellent one. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930627911] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Votes for Pitches: Doop's X-Angels vs. MLA: Mutant Liberation Alliance Doop's X-Angels has become kind of interesting now with the focus of Amanda Sefton. But now I have two glaring issues. First, why is this team still using that heinous, awful name? And secondly, why is Omega Sentinel willing to work with these guys? I adore the character, but I don't buy her willingness to team up with this gang. At the same time, I think most of the MLA concept is interesting. I still hate the complete torpedoing of Shaw as a character here, but it's one glaring concern against two, so MLA barely edges out the win for me here. Object Impermutants vs. Rocket X I'm starting to fall out of love with CPU's team name because it just doesn't roll off the tongue. It's a little complicated for a team name. The pun is very cute and meaningful to what would be a storyline name, but a storyline name is not a series name, even when the story is the entire series. Still, that's not a huge complaint in comparison with my issues with Rocket X. The team name makes no sense. Sabretooth makes more sense with this group, but I really question the need for Colossus AND Sabretooth AND Jean Grey to prop up X-23. There's too many stale, veteran characters here. X-Treme vs. Brotherhood of Righteous Mutants X-Treme loses the name game here like crazy, but man, there is way too much happening in this pitch for the Brotherhood. I can see this title will be extremely wordy and constantly trying to "do things" without ever really lingering on themes or moments. There's a huge amount of rewriting X-Men's status quo happening here, and I just can't get on board with it. And I still see no interesting stakes here. X-Man is literally killing a universe of people to just come aboard this fly-by-night operation? Joseph exists why? X-Treme wins because the weight of the Brotherhood pitch just crushes itself. Mutant Intent vs. eXcalibur The name is a little simpler now, which is great, and eXcalibur has a really clear vision. It's that brilliant Excalibur legacy of having a European continental flavor while still touching the edge of the X-Men universe, and I'm all aboard. Globetrotting heists really make value of the Captain Britain/Gambit relationship, and Valerie Cooper is a perfect facilitator for everything. This team just works. Mutant intent isn't bad (although the name is a little dull), and I could see a potentially interesting title there, but eXcalibur feels both original and faithful to its forerunners, and even the clear interplay of team members here just flies off the page. You can see the roles everyone plays there. This is a matter of a solid pitch just going up against an excellent one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MegamanX 11/24/19 1:59:20 PM #8:	Quick Pick Form (Bold your Choices): Fight DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb The original Doop pitch had some interest, it had personality. This is just flat. The MLA pitch still isn't my cup of tea its. Of the two MLA is better but eh IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket I dont think anything changed here ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 "Vulcan is Right" is better this week but theres certain parts that really bother me from a marvel historic aspect. The Xtreme pitch seems exactly the same. I dont know I'm gonna go with martin just for giving a better effort banananor vs. Wicklebee I think Wickles being trimmed down basically fixes it. Still not a book I'm fond of cause of the subject matter but he wins this matchup --- XBL/PSN/:StingX2 Switch: 0675-3724-0313 <cite>MegamanX posted [p:930629177] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Quick Pick Form (Bold your Choices): Fight DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb The original Doop pitch had some interest, it had personality. This is just flat. The MLA pitch still isn't my cup of tea its. Of the two MLA is better but eh IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket I dont think anything changed here ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 "Vulcan is Right" is better this week but theres certain parts that really bother me from a marvel historic aspect. The Xtreme pitch seems exactly the same. I dont know I'm gonna go with martin just for giving a better effort banananor vs. Wicklebee I think Wickles being trimmed down basically fixes it. Still not a book I'm fond of cause of the subject matter but he wins this matchup</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IhatethisCPU 11/24/19 2:42:23 PM #9:	Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb ...The pitch is improved immensely. I'm interested now. The name's terrible still, but it's additionally because it doesn't fit anymore. This can be fixed though, and there's something to it now... ~~IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket~~ Can't vote, but... listening to what may need to be worked on. ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 ...There is rather a lot more being laid out with the revamped pitch here. There's a simplicity to Chichi's that does work in it's favor, and the BRM is covering rather a lot of ground. ...And I... don't fully follow Nate's motivation here, or why he'd... I still prefer BRM, but something about it doesn't click with me the way it used to. banananor vs. Wicklebee Name's better. Pitch is still fantastic. --- "Death is only the end if you assume the story is about you." Night Vale Radio <cite>IhatethisCPU posted [p:930631109] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb ...The pitch is improved immensely. I'm interested now. The name's terrible still, but it's additionally because it doesn't fit anymore. This can be fixed though, and there's something to it now... IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket Can't vote, but... listening to what may need to be worked on. ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 ...There is rather a lot more being laid out with the revamped pitch here. There's a simplicity to Chichi's that does work in it's favor, and the BRM is covering rather a lot of ground. ...And I... don't fully follow Nate's motivation here, or why he'd... I still prefer BRM, but something about it doesn't click with me the way it used to. banananor vs. Wicklebee Name's better. Pitch is still fantastic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WickIebee 11/24/19 2:46:33 PM #10:	I think fight's easily a lot more controllable. The fact that banananor doesn't have Juggernaut this week is a lot more beneficial for me. First and foremost, there's Emma Frost. Sage is here as her counter in psychic capabilities, since Sage can immune herself and deflect psychic abilities back at the user. From here, let's look at banananor's pitch. He has isolated characters put together because of a "mutants need to stick together" sort of mentality. I have a mutant pschologist on the field. She can just as easily manipulate their emotional disadvantages as she can work on healing the disadvantages of mine. Wither is scared of his powers hurting those around him. Lionheart can use the Sword of Might to incapacitate him without letting him wither her. Morph can change to a state to be immune to Firestar and take her down. Sage is an excellent sniper who can use stun ammunition to take out Stringfellow early, or Morph just changes himself to make sure Stringfellow's powers don't work on him and takes him out. Leaving Synch and Random. Isolating them leads to one major thing. Dane Whitman is not a mutant. Neither have powers to beat him and he doesn't even have to cut them down, being someone capable of fighting Captain America unarmed. --- I'll just go back to gifs. Not like the winner was gonna click my topic. https://imgur.com/SXyi7uX <cite>WickIebee posted [p:930631304] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>I think fight's easily a lot more controllable. The fact that banananor doesn't have Juggernaut this week is a lot more beneficial for me. First and foremost, there's Emma Frost. Sage is here as her counter in psychic capabilities, since Sage can immune herself and deflect psychic abilities back at the user. From here, let's look at banananor's pitch. He has isolated characters put together because of a "mutants need to stick together" sort of mentality. I have a mutant pschologist on the field. She can just as easily manipulate their emotional disadvantages as she can work on healing the disadvantages of mine. Wither is scared of his powers hurting those around him. Lionheart can use the Sword of Might to incapacitate him without letting him wither her. Morph can change to a state to be immune to Firestar and take her down. Sage is an excellent sniper who can use stun ammunition to take out Stringfellow early, or Morph just changes himself to make sure Stringfellow's powers don't work on him and takes him out. Leaving Synch and Random. Isolating them leads to one major thing. Dane Whitman is not a mutant. Neither have powers to beat him and he doesn't even have to cut them down, being someone capable of fighting Captain America unarmed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 11/24/19 3:55:08 PM #11:	Well, I actually changed the name in my email to Mutant Underground but it may have been missed --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:930634437] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Well, I actually changed the name in my email to Mutant Underground but it may have been missed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/24/19 3:59:11 PM #12:	It was, I'm sorry. I really just copy from the body of the text. Please, everyone, adjust your votes accordingly for this. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930634611] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>It was, I'm sorry. I really just copy from the body of the text. Please, everyone, adjust your votes accordingly for this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MartinFF7 11/24/19 4:23:49 PM #13:	scarletspeed7 posted... X-Treme loses the name game here like crazy, but man, there is way too much happening in this pitch for the Brotherhood. I can see this title will be extremely wordy and constantly trying to "do things" without ever really lingering on themes or moments. There's a huge amount of rewriting X-Men's status quo happening here, and I just can't get on board with it. And I still see no interesting stakes here. X-Man is literally killing a universe of people to just come aboard this fly-by-night operation? Joseph exists why? X-Treme wins because the weight of the Brotherhood pitch just crushes itself. In my defence, and no more pitch defences from me after this, I'm sure Eddv's will be rough too... If I keep things high-level like last week, it opens up for comments on "why is this person here, why would that person do that, why would they work together". So I felt compelled to set things up - explaining character motivations, at least trying to realistically explain how/why they are working together successfully, and establishing "Sane Vulcan". The "wordiness" is literally just setting up the first two issues of the series and the core concept that follows. In this series, X-Man leaving the "Age" doesn't destroy it, which isn't something I felt needed to be explained in the pitch. It might be a retcon but the one quote I can find alluding to its destruction is when he says "If you destroy this world you destroy me with it", but that doesn't mean his leaving has the same effect? But if it does and we stick with that, then we roll with this: X-Man has already established his caring about the the people of Earth, the real Earth, and while his "Age" may be "real" it's still fundamentally a dream filled with constructs. Isn't it implied in the end that he and Age Magneto recreate it from scratch? So if Earth was in danger he would value it more and make the (heartwrenching? dramatic?) decision to sacrifice the "Age" to try and help save 616 Earth. If there's no scenario where X-Man can/would leave his reality, I'm kind of in an unwinnable position here? Speaking of unwinnable positions, enjoyed the combination of this Joseph comment and "Why is Joseph even here?" in last round's, and look forward to variations on that the next 5 rounds, lol. I explained why he's there, even if it's somewhat "random", the team is as random as any RPG party that teams up to save the world with some characters on the team having closer connections/relationships than others. Someone who has magnetic powers is a significant threat to a species as technologically-focused as the Shi'ar so he's got great relevancy on the team. From a meta perspective, I can try trading him away but if he's already set up as being a toxic "Pitch" property who would take him? And if I did I certainly wouldn't get comparable "Fight" in return. And if I retool the pitch to make his being on the team more relevant, it takes more words. I think there's interesting stakes in Earth being under occupation, the series' focus on a team of resistance fighters figuring out how to take back control against insurmountable odds - for the first, lengthy major arc. Once they do then we get into broader stuff and the series goes in a different direction but couldn't push my luck more than I already have on this pitch. "Rewriting the status quo" is a 100% legit argument and that's the problem with both my pitches, they almost only work in a vaccuum, like pretending there aren't other Marvel comics out there. Big status breaking. I probably need a concept that fits in a shared world with other comic titles so it doesn't revolve around the Earth getting taken over, but that idea hasn't come to me yet... <cite>MartinFF7 posted [p:930635834] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>X-Treme loses the name game here like crazy, but man, there is way too much happening in this pitch for the Brotherhood. I can see this title will be extremely wordy and constantly trying to "do things" without ever really lingering on themes or moments. There's a huge amount of rewriting X-Men's status quo happening here, and I just can't get on board with it. And I still see no interesting stakes here. X-Man is literally killing a universe of people to just come aboard this fly-by-night operation? Joseph exists why? X-Treme wins because the weight of the Brotherhood pitch just crushes itself. </quote> In my defence, and no more pitch defences from me after this, I'm sure Eddv's will be rough too... If I keep things high-level like last week, it opens up for comments on "why is this person here, why would that person do that, why would they work together". So I felt compelled to set things up - explaining character motivations, at least trying to realistically explain how/why they are working together successfully, and establishing "Sane Vulcan". The "wordiness" is literally just setting up the first two issues of the series and the core concept that follows. In this series, X-Man leaving the "Age" doesn't destroy it, which isn't something I felt needed to be explained in the pitch. It might be a retcon but the one quote I can find alluding to its destruction is when he says "If you destroy this world you destroy me with it", but that doesn't mean his leaving has the same effect? But if it does and we stick with that, then we roll with this: X-Man has already established his caring about the the people of Earth, the real Earth, and while his "Age" may be "real" it's still fundamentally a dream filled with constructs. Isn't it implied in the end that he and Age Magneto recreate it from scratch? So if Earth was in danger he would value it more and make the (heartwrenching? dramatic?) decision to sacrifice the "Age" to try and help save 616 Earth. If there's no scenario where X-Man can/would leave his reality, I'm kind of in an unwinnable position here? Speaking of unwinnable positions, enjoyed the combination of this Joseph comment and "Why is Joseph even here?" in last round's, and look forward to variations on that the next 5 rounds, lol. I explained why he's there, even if it's somewhat "random", the team is as random as any RPG party that teams up to save the world with some characters on the team having closer connections/relationships than others. Someone who has magnetic powers is a significant threat to a species as technologically-focused as the Shi'ar so he's got great relevancy on the team. From a meta perspective, I can try trading him away but if he's already set up as being a toxic "Pitch" property who would take him? And if I did I certainly wouldn't get comparable "Fight" in return. And if I retool the pitch to make his being on the team more relevant, it takes more words. I think there's interesting stakes in Earth being under occupation, the series' focus on a team of resistance fighters figuring out how to take back control against insurmountable odds - for the first, lengthy major arc. Once they do then we get into broader stuff and the series goes in a different direction but couldn't push my luck more than I already have on this pitch. "Rewriting the status quo" is a 100% legit argument and that's the problem with both my pitches, they almost only work in a vaccuum, like pretending there aren't other Marvel comics out there. Big status breaking. I probably need a concept that fits in a shared world with other comic titles so it doesn't revolve around the Earth getting taken over, but that idea hasn't come to me yet...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/24/19 4:55:30 PM #14:	I think that's the issue with cosmic changes in general, and why you would see so much of a tepid response around "No More Mutants" and "Wall-Punching" fifteen years ago, or Rebirth ten years ago. Hickman turns his entire franchises into getting from point A to point B, an interval you're finding yourself trying to jump very quickly. I think the reason it's so important to keep people in the 616 is because, if you were walking into an office and pitching a title, you would mostly be expected to do the same. Comics fans have a hard enough time juggling continuity as it is; this is why titles have to make huge changes slowly and deliberately. So while I don't have a problem with the concept (Vulcan, Brotherhood, star of the title, general direction), it's the pieces that become an issue for me as a potential reader. It either spends a ton of time doing the dull housekeeping of rewriting a universe to get to the place you want it, or it just yanks titles from all the other writers at Marvel, reshuffles things, and hands them back, worse for the wear. And again, I stress that this is just my attitude of writing comics. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930637228] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>I think that's the issue with cosmic changes in general, and why you would see so much of a tepid response around "No More Mutants" and "Wall-Punching" fifteen years ago, or Rebirth ten years ago. Hickman turns his entire franchises into getting from point A to point B, an interval you're finding yourself trying to jump very quickly. I think the reason it's so important to keep people in the 616 is because, if you were walking into an office and pitching a title, you would mostly be expected to do the same. Comics fans have a hard enough time juggling continuity as it is; this is why titles have to make huge changes slowly and deliberately. So while I don't have a problem with the concept (Vulcan, Brotherhood, star of the title, general direction), it's the pieces that become an issue for me as a potential reader. It either spends a ton of time doing the dull housekeeping of rewriting a universe to get to the place you want it, or it just yanks titles from all the other writers at Marvel, reshuffles things, and hands them back, worse for the wear. And again, I stress that this is just my attitude of writing comics. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NBIceman 11/24/19 5:31:52 PM #15:	Not locking in votes yet, just throwing out thoughts. Mutant Underground: This is pretty easily the biggest jump in quality from round 1 to 2 across the project for me. The reworked concept, although not super unique, makes much better use of this excellent roster. My only real complaint is that the "twist" loses some impact now that death has been kind of rendered meaningless in the current X-Men continuity, but considering the rest of the setup there's ways to explain away even that, and I don't know if it's completely fair to zero in on such a recent development that hasn't been deeply explored yet anyway. Nice work here. MLA: Still love this roster and the simplicity of concept, but Shaw really does feel shoehorned in to his role. I think I'd like to see some sort of plan for the future where he's concerned. This is gonna be a tough match to vote on. Object Impermutants: Still awesome. Rocket X: I think the star-studded lineup could be a real benefit to this series, and the addition of Sabretooth adds intrigue to the pitch, but their roles really need to be actually addressed for that to be the case. Right now, the great concept and pretty good lineup is being obscured by the fact that I can't tell what the team dynamics are really like. X-Treme: Despite being annoying as all get-out in a fight, the roster and concept really don't grab me in any way. There's an interesting lineup of powers here and I'd prefer to see something that plays to their strengths rather than effectively making them auxiliary pieces to another Xavier-led story. Brotherhood of Righteous Mutants: I'm just not quite sure where to go with this. I'm not as down on this pitch as others - some of the justifications for certain inclusions are stretches, but not quite to the point of being complete dealbreakers for me - but it really seems like this team would be better served taking hits to some of the star power and power-power in favor of a stronger thematic union that doesn't necessitate jumping through so many hoops. Mutant Intent: I like the roster and the overall idea of this team quite a bit, but I wish the story pitch was a little more specific in terms of an actual plot. Several teams in this project have a very clearly defined direction that just doesn't quite make up for an uninteresting base concept. Mutant Intent has the opposite problem. eXcalibur: The new and improved name is perfect for the sleek, stylish team that's been assembled here. I don't know if I quite buy some of these characters' involvement in this concept - would like to see individual motivations addressed in a little more detail where possible - but the roster itself is so good and the idea feels so complete that that's really a nitpick. --- https://imgur.com/UYamul2 Spurs - Yankees - Eagles - Golden Knights <cite>NBIceman posted [p:930638903] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Not locking in votes yet, just throwing out thoughts. Mutant Underground: This is pretty easily the biggest jump in quality from round 1 to 2 across the project for me. The reworked concept, although not super unique, makes much better use of this excellent roster. My only real complaint is that the "twist" loses some impact now that death has been kind of rendered meaningless in the current X-Men continuity, but considering the rest of the setup there's ways to explain away even that, and I don't know if it's completely fair to zero in on such a recent development that hasn't been deeply explored yet anyway. Nice work here. MLA: Still love this roster and the simplicity of concept, but Shaw really does feel shoehorned in to his role. I think I'd like to see some sort of plan for the future where he's concerned. This is gonna be a tough match to vote on. Object Impermutants: Still awesome. Rocket X: I think the star-studded lineup could be a real benefit to this series, and the addition of Sabretooth adds intrigue to the pitch, but their roles really need to be actually addressed for that to be the case. Right now, the great concept and pretty good lineup is being obscured by the fact that I can't tell what the team dynamics are really like. X-Treme: Despite being annoying as all get-out in a fight, the roster and concept really don't grab me in any way. There's an interesting lineup of powers here and I'd prefer to see something that plays to their strengths rather than effectively making them auxiliary pieces to another Xavier-led story. Brotherhood of Righteous Mutants: I'm just not quite sure where to go with this. I'm not as down on this pitch as others - some of the justifications for certain inclusions are stretches, but not quite to the point of being complete dealbreakers for me - but it really seems like this team would be better served taking hits to some of the star power and power-power in favor of a stronger thematic union that doesn't necessitate jumping through so many hoops. Mutant Intent: I like the roster and the overall idea of this team quite a bit, but I wish the story pitch was a little more specific in terms of an actual plot. Several teams in this project have a very clearly defined direction that just doesn't quite make up for an uninteresting base concept. Mutant Intent has the opposite problem. eXcalibur: The new and improved name is perfect for the sleek, stylish team that's been assembled here. I don't know if I quite buy some of these characters' involvement in this concept - would like to see individual motivations addressed in a little more detail where possible - but the roster itself is so good and the idea feels so complete that that's really a nitpick.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/24/19 6:10:30 PM #16:	NBIceman posted... Mutant Intent: I like the roster and the overall idea of this team quite a bit, but I wish the story pitch was a little more specific in terms of an actual plot. Several teams in this project have a very clearly defined direction that just doesn't quite make up for an uninteresting base concept. Mutant Intent has the opposite problem. I don't disagree, but I also like that there is a general pitch here, without getting too nitty-gritty on details. The worst thing we could do is limit ourselves by shoehorning a team into a very specific concept. The difference between the Suicide Squad's unique pitch and a single story arc of the Suicide Squad is that you pull back on the specifics and give the gimmick. I think maybe what we need here is more firmament on the gimmick? Because I think in that instance, if it feels like there's a voice here and that there's a wide swath of stories to tell with it, Mutant Intent could conceivably be a very enduring series. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930640761] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>NBIceman posted... </cite> <quote>Mutant Intent: I like the roster and the overall idea of this team quite a bit, but I wish the story pitch was a little more specific in terms of an actual plot. Several teams in this project have a very clearly defined direction that just doesn't quite make up for an uninteresting base concept. Mutant Intent has the opposite problem.</quote>I don't disagree, but I also like that there is a general pitch here, without getting too nitty-gritty on details. The worst thing we could do is limit ourselves by shoehorning a team into a very specific concept. The difference between the Suicide Squad's unique pitch and a single story arc of the Suicide Squad is that you pull back on the specifics and give the gimmick. I think maybe what we need here is more firmament on the gimmick? Because I think in that instance, if it feels like there's a voice here and that there's a wide swath of stories to tell with it, Mutant Intent could conceivably be a very enduring series. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
profDEADPOOL 11/24/19 6:14:27 PM #17:	Tag --- "Let's all go play nagasaki. We can all get vaporized. Hold my hand, let's turn to ash. I'll see you on the other side." <cite>profDEADPOOL posted [p:930640943] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Tag</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NBIceman 11/24/19 7:48:09 PM #18:	scarletspeed7 posted... NBIceman posted... Mutant Intent: I like the roster and the overall idea of this team quite a bit, but I wish the story pitch was a little more specific in terms of an actual plot. Several teams in this project have a very clearly defined direction that just doesn't quite make up for an uninteresting base concept. Mutant Intent has the opposite problem. I don't disagree, but I also like that there is a general pitch here, without getting too nitty-gritty on details. The worst thing we could do is limit ourselves by shoehorning a team into a very specific concept. The difference between the Suicide Squad's unique pitch and a single story arc of the Suicide Squad is that you pull back on the specifics and give the gimmick. I think maybe what we need here is more firmament on the gimmick? Because I think in that instance, if it feels like there's a voice here and that there's a wide swath of stories to tell with it, Mutant Intent could conceivably be a very enduring series. I guess that's really what I meant and just did a poor job of communicating it. I don't mean to imply that the idea lends itself to a super self-contained story in the vein of, say, Object Impermutants. I just think there's room for, like, more somewhere in there. --- https://imgur.com/UYamul2 Spurs - Yankees - Eagles - Golden Knights <cite>NBIceman posted [p:930646027] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>NBIceman posted... </cite> <quote>Mutant Intent: I like the roster and the overall idea of this team quite a bit, but I wish the story pitch was a little more specific in terms of an actual plot. Several teams in this project have a very clearly defined direction that just doesn't quite make up for an uninteresting base concept. Mutant Intent has the opposite problem.</quote>I don't disagree, but I also like that there is a general pitch here, without getting too nitty-gritty on details. The worst thing we could do is limit ourselves by shoehorning a team into a very specific concept. The difference between the Suicide Squad's unique pitch and a single story arc of the Suicide Squad is that you pull back on the specifics and give the gimmick. I think maybe what we need here is more firmament on the gimmick? Because I think in that instance, if it feels like there's a voice here and that there's a wide swath of stories to tell with it, Mutant Intent could conceivably be a very enduring series. </quote> I guess that's really what I meant and just did a poor job of communicating it. I don't mean to imply that the idea lends itself to a super self-contained story in the vein of, say, Object Impermutants. I just think there's room for, like, more somewhere in there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 11/24/19 9:56:23 PM #19:	scarletspeed has been inundated with messages- i've been barely able to keep up with voting, myself- so i imagine he missed the specific PM that had my updated pitch. i worked pretty hard to keep the word count down. ========= Mutant Intent is ultimately a radical power trip about personal stakes and finding catharsis. This comic leans into both camp and edge whole-heartedly. A "typical" episode starts with a strong hook, almost like a heist- get in, get revenge (sorry, 'find catharsis') for a member of the team, and get out. And over the remainder of the series, we might learn what we become after catching our white whale. Emma Frost brought this team together in Juggernaut's wake. Ironically, every member's values of independence and freedom has led them to work together again and again. And sometimes, their shared success involves guaranteeing there is a better world to be free in. ======= Now, given I don't have to stick to roughly two paragraphs, I can list some example major plot threads. Most can be left to the imagination. Frost gets revenge on the billionare clique that dictated her life. Sunfire and Sunpyre clash with the military/nuclear warfare industry that they blame for their mother's illness/death. Random butts heads with Dark Beast and any number of authoritarian anti-mutant organizations. Juggernaut sheds his need for his father's approval by besting Xavier in a meaningful way. You can imagine a rogue's gallery associated with each thread, as well as who might pursue them with the intent of bringing them to justice. It's meant to be a little different and a little introspective, particularly with characters that have already resolved their initial arcs. Some may rotate in and out if they find their interests breaking away from the group, but many others enjoy the added strength and sense of cause from the team. Hope this helps --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:930653274] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>scarletspeed has been inundated with messages- i've been barely able to keep up with voting, myself- so i imagine he missed the specific PM that had my updated pitch. i worked pretty hard to keep the word count down. ========= Mutant Intent is ultimately a radical power trip about personal stakes and finding catharsis. This comic leans into both camp and edge whole-heartedly. A "typical" episode starts with a strong hook, almost like a heist- get in, get revenge (sorry, 'find catharsis') for a member of the team, and get out. And over the remainder of the series, we might learn what we become after catching our white whale. Emma Frost brought this team together in Juggernaut's wake. Ironically, every member's values of independence and freedom has led them to work together again and again. And sometimes, their shared success involves guaranteeing there is a better world to be free in. ======= Now, given I don't have to stick to roughly two paragraphs, I can list some example major plot threads. Most can be left to the imagination. Frost gets revenge on the billionare clique that dictated her life. Sunfire and Sunpyre clash with the military/nuclear warfare industry that they blame for their mother's illness/death. Random butts heads with Dark Beast and any number of authoritarian anti-mutant organizations. Juggernaut sheds his need for his father's approval by besting Xavier in a meaningful way. You can imagine a rogue's gallery associated with each thread, as well as who might pursue them with the intent of bringing them to justice. It's meant to be a little different and a little introspective, particularly with characters that have already resolved their initial arcs. Some may rotate in and out if they find their interests breaking away from the group, but many others enjoy the added strength and sense of cause from the team. Hope this helps</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/24/19 10:03:09 PM #20:	I didn't get this message! I will copy this for next time. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930653638] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>I didn't get this message! I will copy this for next time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 11/25/19 4:01:34 AM #21:	X-Treme - Mimic can literally do everything everyone else in the match can do. He has also permanently gained the powers of Cyclops (which can still hurt Vulcan), Beast, Jean Grey, Angel, and Beast (and probably Prof X and Wolverine), meanwhile every other character matches near one for one except Joseph to Longshot (and Prof X wrecks a single cuckoo). A speedster vs a Magneto clone ? That's not a hard takedown. On top of that, M can do just about anything Nate Grey does, and has accelerated healing on top of that. --- "The X-Treme lineup is annoying as all get-out in a fight." - NBIceman <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:930664694] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>X-Treme - Mimic can literally do everything everyone else in the match can do. He has also permanently gained the powers of Cyclops (which can still hurt Vulcan), Beast, Jean Grey, Angel, and Beast (and probably Prof X and Wolverine), meanwhile every other character matches near one for one except Joseph to Longshot (and Prof X wrecks a single cuckoo). A speedster vs a Magneto clone ? That's not a hard takedown. On top of that, M can do just about anything Nate Grey does, and has accelerated healing on top of that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mega Mana 11/25/19 8:57:00 AM #22:	Fight DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee --- "In my headcanon, some staffer saw Trump pull out his phone and start typing so they just Terry Tate Office Linebacker'd him out of his shoes." - FFD <cite>Mega Mana posted [p:930669904] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Fight DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MartinFF7 11/25/19 1:40:17 PM #23:	Brotherhood of Righteous Mutants fight-takes: Since the pitch established this is a functional team that works together well, and with the fate of the Earth at stake so everyone is motivated to win, let's talk about what really matters, the powers. Vanisher is the hidden gem and I see two major tactical advantages he brings in this fight. (1) Vanisher has the ability to transport not just himself, but groups of people. While he's usually just teleporting himself + teammates who are expecting to be teleported, there have been instances (eg the escape from Necrosha, X-Force Vol 3 #24) where he teleports people without their knowledge. So, if he can teleport people involuntarily with him, he can shift members of X-Treme to opportune areas of the battlefield for the Brotherhood to take advantage/have the numbers. I should also note another aspect of his power, quote: The Vanisher possesses an instinctual extrasensory ability that prevents him from materializing all or part of his body within a solid object. The Vanisher can teleport to any place within his teleportational range, whether he had seen it or not, without danger of harming himself. Since the fight is taking place on a livable moon, if there isn't a limited "battlefield" they're restricted to, he can theoretically split up some or all of the opposing team miles apart from one another & the Brotherhood could attack and finish them off individually. And he doesn't need to have "seen" the area before teleporting there, he can just do it. (2) Vanisher/Elixir as a natural tag team to exploit Elixir's offensive ability, the death touch. Just touching someone for a few seconds is enough to kill them, even if they have enhanced durability or regenerative powers. The main problem in a 6v6 battle is how to get Elixir into place to get his "touch" in; in this case, either Vanisher brings in Elixir to get his touch directly, or per item (1), teleports out a member of X-Treme wherein Elixir can touch them as soon as the teleport is done. As added insurance, Joseph (or X-Man if he's freed up) can "hold" the victim in place using their powers for the few seconds it takes for Elixir to kill the person (again, all this is assuming item (1) doesn't take effect as I envisioned, where pretty much every battle would be a 5v1 battle) As a side note, Vanisher also appears to be able to teleport repeatedly without issue (in X-Force Vol 3 #8 he teleports 4 times in quick succession, despite being injured) so jumping back and forth isn't an issue for him. So the appeal of "crowd control" in the battle + being able to rapidly move Elixir in for the kill (or move others to Elixir) makes them a potent combo. Elixir, of course, also has healing power in case anyone gets a shot in, and is able to self-regenerate almost instantly too (per Uncanny X-Men Annual Vol 4 #1, with bonus shot of Elixir dominating M: https://imgur.com/a/6pS8I7x). And he has resurrection powers but let's not worry about those. Cyclops's powers on Vulcan go like this: https://i.imgur.com/aNLrdp3.png and while Mimic does bring a rather significant power set, I would still place Vulcan's absolute power superiority above him. Prof X/X-Man and Phoebe Cuckoo/M are the natural tele-pairoffs. X-Man is more powerful and would win that battle, and I'd argue Phoebe also has more advanced telepathic powers, but if it devolves to an actual fight then Diamond form vs. Penance is basically a standstill too, Brotherhood eventually gaining the numerical advantage and the win. But I'd still lean on Vanisher controlling the pieces on the board to enable tactical advantages in the battle. <cite>MartinFF7 posted [p:930680209] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Brotherhood of Righteous Mutants fight-takes: Since the pitch established this is a functional team that works together well, and with the fate of the Earth at stake so everyone is motivated to win, let's talk about what really matters, the powers. Vanisher is the hidden gem and I see two major tactical advantages he brings in this fight. (1) Vanisher has the ability to transport not just himself, but groups of people. While he's usually just teleporting himself + teammates who are expecting to be teleported, there have been instances (eg the escape from Necrosha, X-Force Vol 3 #24) where he teleports people without their knowledge. So, if he can teleport people involuntarily with him, he can shift members of X-Treme to opportune areas of the battlefield for the Brotherhood to take advantage/have the numbers. I should also note another aspect of his power, quote: <quote>The Vanisher possesses an instinctual extrasensory ability that prevents him from materializing all or part of his body within a solid object. The Vanisher can teleport to any place within his teleportational range, whether he had seen it or not, without danger of harming himself. </quote> Since the fight is taking place on a livable moon, if there isn't a limited "battlefield" they're restricted to, he can theoretically split up some or all of the opposing team miles apart from one another & the Brotherhood could attack and finish them off individually. And he doesn't need to have "seen" the area before teleporting there, he can just do it. (2) Vanisher/Elixir as a natural tag team to exploit Elixir's offensive ability, the death touch. Just touching someone for a few seconds is enough to kill them, even if they have enhanced durability or regenerative powers. The main problem in a 6v6 battle is how to get Elixir into place to get his "touch" in; in this case, either Vanisher brings in Elixir to get his touch directly, or per item (1), teleports out a member of X-Treme wherein Elixir can touch them as soon as the teleport is done. As added insurance, Joseph (or X-Man if he's freed up) can "hold" the victim in place using their powers for the few seconds it takes for Elixir to kill the person (again, all this is assuming item (1) doesn't take effect as I envisioned, where pretty much every battle would be a 5v1 battle) As a side note, Vanisher also appears to be able to teleport repeatedly without issue (in X-Force Vol 3 #8 he teleports 4 times in quick succession, despite being injured) so jumping back and forth isn't an issue for him. So the appeal of "crowd control" in the battle + being able to rapidly move Elixir in for the kill (or move others to Elixir) makes them a potent combo. Elixir, of course, also has healing power in case anyone gets a shot in, and is able to self-regenerate almost instantly too (per Uncanny X-Men Annual Vol 4 #1, with bonus shot of Elixir dominating M: https://imgur.com/a/6pS8I7x). And he has resurrection powers but let's not worry about those. Cyclops's powers on Vulcan go like this: https://i.imgur.com/aNLrdp3.png and while Mimic does bring a rather significant power set, I would still place Vulcan's absolute power superiority above him. Prof X/X-Man and Phoebe Cuckoo/M are the natural tele-pairoffs. X-Man is more powerful and would win that battle, and I'd argue Phoebe also has more advanced telepathic powers, but if it devolves to an actual fight then Diamond form vs. Penance is basically a standstill too, Brotherhood eventually gaining the numerical advantage and the win. But I'd still lean on Vanisher controlling the pieces on the board to enable tactical advantages in the battle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/25/19 1:55:37 PM #24:	MartinFF7 posted... Since the pitch established this is a functional team that works together well, and with the fate of the Earth at stake so everyone is motivated to win, let's talk about what really matters, the powers. Whoa whoa whoa. The pitch saying something doesn't make it so! I could pitch that Beast is now omnipotent in my pitch, it doesn't affect the fight! --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930680916] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>MartinFF7 posted... </cite> <quote>Since the pitch established this is a functional team that works together well, and with the fate of the Earth at stake so everyone is motivated to win, let's talk about what really matters, the powers.</quote>Whoa whoa whoa. The pitch saying something doesn't make it so! I could pitch that Beast is now omnipotent in my pitch, it doesn't affect the fight! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MartinFF7 11/25/19 2:12:35 PM #25:	I mean there's a difference between material changes (like ... Omni-Beast) and intangible changes like, people working together, isn't there? If my pitch establishes a sane Vulcan (or if my team used X-Men #1 Vulcan who's totally normal), and somebody makes a fight argument about Vulcan being a madman peepeepoopoohead, I mean... I'll edit that out of my commentary in any case. <cite>MartinFF7 posted [p:930681669] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>I mean there's a difference between material changes (like ... Omni-Beast) and intangible changes like, people working together, isn't there? If my pitch establishes a sane Vulcan (or if my team used X-Men #1 Vulcan who's totally normal), and somebody makes a fight argument about Vulcan being a madman peepeepoopoohead, I mean... I'll edit that out of my commentary in any case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MartinFF7 11/25/19 2:25:08 PM #26:	Fight DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket abstain banananor vs. Wicklebee Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket abstain banananor vs. Wicklebee <cite>MartinFF7 posted [p:930682275] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Fight DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket abstain banananor vs. Wicklebee Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket abstain banananor vs. Wicklebee</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/25/19 4:17:17 PM #27:	Reading through bananor's new pitch, I don't feel swayed to change my vote, but I do like it more. I'm more interested in an ACTUAL heist concept in eXcalibur rather than the pseudo-heist concept in Mutant Intent. The name still is very generic to me, but the concept has a lot of room to be interesting. The only real reason this sits behind eXcalibur now is because there is no combination in Mutant Intent that is as absolutely intriguing as Captain Britain and Gambit. What there IS, is actual longterm development potential here. It's definitely moved into the position of being a top-tier contender in this division now, for sure. It just lacks a little of the sleek unique flavor that keeps eXcalibur at the forefront of my mind. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930687212] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Reading through bananor's new pitch, I don't feel swayed to change my vote, but I do like it more. I'm more interested in an ACTUAL heist concept in eXcalibur rather than the pseudo-heist concept in Mutant Intent. The name still is very generic to me, but the concept has a lot of room to be interesting. The only real reason this sits behind eXcalibur now is because there is no combination in Mutant Intent that is as absolutely intriguing as Captain Britain and Gambit. What there IS, is actual longterm development potential here. It's definitely moved into the position of being a top-tier contender in this division now, for sure. It just lacks a little of the sleek unique flavor that keeps eXcalibur at the forefront of my mind. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NBIceman 11/25/19 7:47:52 PM #28:	The updated stuff for Mutant Intent was pretty much exactly what I was hoping for. That's gonna be a tough match to settle on a vote for. --- https://imgur.com/UYamul2 Spurs - Yankees - Eagles - Golden Knights <cite>NBIceman posted [p:930697103] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>The updated stuff for Mutant Intent was pretty much exactly what I was hoping for. That's gonna be a tough match to settle on a vote for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 11/26/19 1:42:24 AM #29:	Pitch: DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee --- "The X-Treme lineup is annoying as all get-out in a fight." - NBIceman <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:930711666] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Pitch: DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 11/26/19 6:03:45 AM #30:	DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/AWY4xHy <cite>Eddv posted [p:930716114] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/26/19 9:10:11 AM #31:	ChichiriMuyo posted... Pitch: DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee You cannot vote in your own match. About 28 hours to go! --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930720161] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>ChichiriMuyo posted... </cite> <quote>Pitch: DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee</quote>You cannot vote in your own match. About 28 hours to go! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snake5555555555 11/26/19 11:03:21 AM #32:	Fight DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb Omega Sentinel, Blink, Revanche, yeah this fight is pretty much a wash. IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket This is one of the closet fights in the entire draft, I could see this going either way but I think the ultimate team synergy of CPU's team works out way better in his favor. The one-two punch of Nightcrawler/Nocturne alone could take advantage of some of the dysfunction with Sabretooth perhaps not cooperating as much as he should. ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 This could be the mosty dysfunctional team in existence but there's just too much power to deny it going any other way. banananor vs. Wicklebee With Valerie on the battlefield, her team might be distracted with trying to keep her safe and protected, but I don't think banananor's team has the experience to pull of a win still. The raw talent and increased synergy of eXcalibur would secure this win. Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb I definitely agree the X-Angels name needs to be changed now, but I like this much better! The obviously still solid cast and a good hook would make this a compelling read but I still think MLA has a more fleshed-out feeling to it. IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket Object Impermutants is just too intriguing to vote against here, Rocket X needs a significant overhaul at least in regards to what the other members are bringing to the table story wise. ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 "Forced to work together to survive" & " their strong teamwork skills" feels like a contradiction. I still don't completely buy the concept of these characters working together but I think Chichiri needs a better roster for me to care about it more, so Martin still gets the win. banananor vs. Wicklebee I like banananor's general concept and roster but Wickle's just really knocks it out of the park with what I'm generally interested in with comics. Especially the simpler focus and clearer objective. --- What I am about to do has not been approved by the Vatican. https://imgur.com/MmrKwGZ - https://imgur.com/ntWVGyh <cite>Snake5555555555 posted [p:930724113] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Fight DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb Omega Sentinel, Blink, Revanche, yeah this fight is pretty much a wash. IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket This is one of the closet fights in the entire draft, I could see this going either way but I think the ultimate team synergy of CPU's team works out way better in his favor. The one-two punch of Nightcrawler/Nocturne alone could take advantage of some of the dysfunction with Sabretooth perhaps not cooperating as much as he should. ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 This could be the mosty dysfunctional team in existence but there's just too much power to deny it going any other way. banananor vs. Wicklebee With Valerie on the battlefield, her team might be distracted with trying to keep her safe and protected, but I don't think banananor's team has the experience to pull of a win still. The raw talent and increased synergy of eXcalibur would secure this win. Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb I definitely agree the X-Angels name needs to be changed now, but I like this much better! The obviously still solid cast and a good hook would make this a compelling read but I still think MLA has a more fleshed-out feeling to it. IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket Object Impermutants is just too intriguing to vote against here, Rocket X needs a significant overhaul at least in regards to what the other members are bringing to the table story wise. ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 "Forced to work together to survive" & " their strong teamwork skills" feels like a contradiction. I still don't completely buy the concept of these characters working together but I think Chichiri needs a better roster for me to care about it more, so Martin still gets the win. banananor vs. Wicklebee I like banananor's general concept and roster but Wickle's just really knocks it out of the park with what I'm generally interested in with comics. Especially the simpler focus and clearer objective. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 11/26/19 11:16:46 AM #33:	Pitches Match 1: DCs team is so solid narrative wise and the new pitch is so much better. Still has a very cheesecake quality to it but I do think johnbobbs idea feels more like a book Id read. You also both badly neglect your stars. Match 2: CPU takes the easy win. Match 3: I still have major MAJOR problems with Martin's pitch but he's been gifted a freebie because while Martin's a bit of a trainwreck, Chichiris book is dull, lacks any starpower and the proposed direction doesn't intrigue me. In order to get any pitch votes from me this one needs a roster overhaul that isn't coming. Match 4: Wickle takes his W here. This is the best pitch in the group. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/AWY4xHy <cite>Eddv posted [p:930724653] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Pitches Match 1: DCs team is so solid narrative wise and the new pitch is so much better. Still has a very cheesecake quality to it but I do think johnbobbs idea feels more like a book Id read. You also both badly neglect your stars. Match 2: CPU takes the easy win. Match 3: I still have major MAJOR problems with Martin's pitch but he's been gifted a freebie because while Martin's a bit of a trainwreck, Chichiris book is dull, lacks any starpower and the proposed direction doesn't intrigue me. In order to get any pitch votes from me this one needs a roster overhaul that isn't coming. Match 4: Wickle takes his W here. This is the best pitch in the group. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 11/26/19 11:35:27 AM #34:	Just gonna quickly address the fight side of this and say my guys should definitely win in a brawl. Other side is tough, but aside from Darwin's silliness they aren't especially equipped to deal with Revanche's telepathy. Kitty counters Shaw pretty well, given how Shaw's kid with identical powers murdered him (until it was retconned). Doop is goddamn Thor level and not even fair https://media.comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/doop-thor.jpg --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:930725480] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Just gonna quickly address the fight side of this and say my guys should definitely win in a brawl. Other side is tough, but aside from Darwin's silliness they aren't especially equipped to deal with Revanche's telepathy. Kitty counters Shaw pretty well, given how Shaw's kid with identical powers murdered him (until it was retconned). Doop is goddamn Thor level and not even fair https://media.comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/doop-thor.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/26/19 8:08:16 PM #35:	Don't forget this ends around noon central tomorrow! --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930747795] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Don't forget this ends around noon central tomorrow! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NBIceman 11/27/19 12:56:03 AM #36:	Fight DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee Lot of close pitch battles in this round. Votes for Johnbobb and Wicklebee basically just came down to roster preference. --- https://imgur.com/UYamul2 Spurs - Yankees - Eagles - Golden Knights <cite>NBIceman posted [p:930760739] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Fight DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee Lot of close pitch battles in this round. Votes for Johnbobb and Wicklebee basically just came down to roster preference.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 11/27/19 2:00:45 AM #37:	scarletspeed7 posted... ChichiriMuyo posted... Pitch: DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee You cannot vote in your own match. About 28 hours to go! It was a joke, lol. I know it doesn't count. --- "The X-Treme lineup is annoying as all get-out in a fight." - NBIceman <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:930762410] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>ChichiriMuyo posted... </cite> <quote>Pitch: DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 banananor vs. Wicklebee</quote>You cannot vote in your own match. About 28 hours to go! </quote> It was a joke, lol. I know it doesn't count.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 11/27/19 2:06:46 AM #38:	Real votes now: Fight: DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket null banananor vs. Wicklebee Pitch: DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket null banananor vs. Wicklebee --- "The X-Treme lineup is annoying as all get-out in a fight." - NBIceman <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:930762570] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Real votes now: Fight: DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket null banananor vs. Wicklebee Pitch: DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket null banananor vs. Wicklebee</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 11/27/19 9:59:04 AM #39:	Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb - Most improved in every regard, DC's got a decent name and direction now and I could see having some interest. Johnbobb's meanwhile is maybe too simple to really draw me in with the roster it has-- at that point it's mostly character driven amd those characters don't speak to me a lot. DC's also wins the name game now, which is enough to cleanly put it over. IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket - rocket's still has the same problems of it being an x-23 solo title where I'm not sure why everyone is going, and I still like CPU's pitch though the miniseries copout has to go. ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 - chichiri's pitch still just reads like an excuse for an assortment of strong mutants to team up more than any sort of coherent pitch. There are invaders and a team is assembled by Xavier-- okay but why this team? Martin's is still kinda trainwrecky but I dunno, has a cool name and is so weird I'd wanna see where it goes more than a phoned in plot about an invasion. banananor vs. Wicklebee - banananor improves the pitch but Wickle remains my favorite in the group --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:930771863] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>Pitch DeathChicken vs. Johnbobb - Most improved in every regard, DC's got a decent name and direction now and I could see having some interest. Johnbobb's meanwhile is maybe too simple to really draw me in with the roster it has-- at that point it's mostly character driven amd those characters don't speak to me a lot. DC's also wins the name game now, which is enough to cleanly put it over. IhatethisCPU vs. redrocket - rocket's still has the same problems of it being an x-23 solo title where I'm not sure why everyone is going, and I still like CPU's pitch though the miniseries copout has to go. ChichiriMuyo vs. MartinFF7 - chichiri's pitch still just reads like an excuse for an assortment of strong mutants to team up more than any sort of coherent pitch. There are invaders and a team is assembled by Xavier-- okay but why this team? Martin's is still kinda trainwrecky but I dunno, has a cool name and is so weird I'd wanna see where it goes more than a phoned in plot about an invasion. banananor vs. Wicklebee - banananor improves the pitch but Wickle remains my favorite in the group </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/27/19 12:27:22 PM #40:	This topic will end in half an hour! I will tally the votes later, however, given the Thanksiving holiday. You can start any trading now, and make sure you get your pitches/rosters in by Saturday before noon, when the next round begins --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:930777877] in X-Men Draf... [t:78194210]...</cite> <quote>This topic will end in half an hour! I will tally the votes later, however, given the Thanksiving holiday. You can start any trading now, and make sure you get your pitches/rosters in by Saturday before noon, when the next round begins </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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