Current Events > Texas jury rules against dad trying to stop 7yo son's gender transition

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tote_all posted...

Gender reassignment therapy.

Okay, and what do you think that is?

Because I'm here to tell you right now that that's a made up thing.

Do you want to talk about hormone replacement therapy (HRT)?

Or gender reassignment surgery (GRS)?

Because I think your argument with shock kinda hinges on you being clear on what part of the process you're focusing on.

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tote_all posted...

CyricZ posted...

Okay, and what do you think that is?

Because I'm here to tell you right now that that's a made up thing.

Do you want to talk about hormone replacement therapy (HRT)?

Or gender reassignment surgery (GRS)?

Because I think your argument with shock kinda hinges on you being clear on what part of the process you're focusing on.

You're adorable. GRT or SRT considers all aspects of sex reassignment, including surgery, hormones, psychological treatment and any other aspect of therapy.

>be me
>be trans
>be active in trans community
>years pass
>has never heard the term GRT or SRT ever
>not even as a regional or newer term like GCS
>(gender confirmation surgery)
>also be me
>be told by a guy who has been so extremely critical he's ignored details from the case
>and also is making claims without proof
>while demanding proof from others making claims that are widely regarded as true
>lolgreentext
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So all you were looking for is a *checks back in the topic* LARGE study that shows that it's healthier for transgender people to transition early in life vs. later in life?

Is this large enough?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK64806/

It covers a wide swath of LGBT, but the gist of it is that a considerable number of mental health issues were observed in transgender people who had yet to transition or transitioned
in adulthood as opposed to those who transitioned younger.

He asks knowing it will never be large enough.

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Wow you are doubling down on "SRT", aren't you?

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CyricZ posted...

Wow you are doubling down on "SRT", aren't you?

Right? Still haven't seen any studies for his side, I'm sure he'll pull up some blog post from a church though
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"I want a large study."

"I'm not reading all that."

Sections 4, 5, and 6 deal with the various demographics of age and the mental and physical health observed for each.

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https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-015-1867-2

Conclusions: Large effect sizes were observed for this controlled analysis of intervenable factors, suggesting that interventions to increase social inclusion and access to medical transition, and to reduce transphobia, have the potential to contribute to substantial reductions in the extremely high prevalences of suicide ideation and attempts within trans populations. Such interventions at the population level may require policy change.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24344788

RESULTS:
A difference in SCL-90 overall psychoneurotic distress was observed at the different points of assessments (P = 0.003), with the most prominent decrease occurring after the initiation of hormone therapy (P < 0.001). Significant decreases were found in the subscales such as anxiety, depression, interpersonal sensitivity, and hostility. Furthermore, the SCL-90 scores resembled those of a general population after hormone therapy was initiated. Analysis of the psychosocial variables showed no significant differences between pre- and postoperative assessments.

CONCLUSIONS:
A marked reduction in psychopathology occurs during the process of sex reassignment therapy, especially after the initiation of hormone therapy.

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I mean I get it that SRT exists as a term, but it just doesn't seem nearly as common a term and I've been watching these cases for a while.

More important, I wanted to know what you thought it was so we can get some focus on this discussion.

Not that I'm making assumptions, but a lot of people who enter these arguments tend to do so less armed.

EDIT: Also stop tagging. We're here in the topic watching it. It's rude.

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shockthemonkey posted...

lol yeah bro me not having things saved on my phone means I need to get tagged by people who made up their mind before opening the topic

Oh please. Like you were open minded to begin with, lol.

imagine being upset that a parent doesn't want their kid sexualized period.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

imagine being upset that a parent doesn't want their kid sexualized period.

Whos sexualizing kids?
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King_Hutton posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

imagine being upset that a parent doesn't want their kid sexualized period.

Whos sexualizing kids?

did you read the topic?

the fuckers putting hetero/homo/trans/bisexual titles on kids.

none of this shit should be pushed on kids. they'll ask whatever questions they want to ask whenever they reach that stage in life.
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So many users really hate trans people.
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Found a video that apparently clears this situation up from the myths, but it's like an hour long and I'm not watching that. I'll look for it and post it later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvjHn6QEgh4" data-time="

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Tmaster148 posted...

So many users really hate trans people.

No, they just hate child abuse.
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they conflate it on purpose.

when it comes to bending logic and being intellectually dishonest just to push a narrative, many members of the Left and Right have the same mannerisms.

nuttiness has no political affiliation. it also doesn't have integrity, lol
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Alright watching the video I posted. Some interesting parts of this whole case nobody talks about, and dude is pulling from the court testimony:

-Dad didn't have boys clothing at his house and didn't allow Luna to dress as a boy. He's also Greek Orthodox and appears devout in his interviews/speeches.
-Luna's brother, teacher, and a CPS agent all said she wanted to identify as a girl. She was also diagnosed with gender dysphoria by a neutral pediatrician, and confirmed by a therapist
-Nobody ever said she was going to be put on hormone blockers, they simply said they'd come back when Luna's 8 or 9 then evaluate if hormonal suppression should be introduced.
-The entire story was broke by Walt Heyer, a literal Soros conspiracy theorist and devout Christian who detransitioned when he found God. His article fed heavy Christian bias with questionable sources at best: minister who met Luna 3 times, friends of the father's who only sees Luna around him, and a Christian conservative pediatrician who believes LGBTQ+ education is being pushed by Planned Parenthood to make money off children through abortions and contraceptives. Most news sources ran this story, so misinformation has been spread from the start.
-The mother has been smeared as some SJW child abuser. The facts are she had made one public statement that pleaded for the happiness of her child, her Twitter was helpful medical advice to moms about like Diabetes, and was harassed and threatened on Twitter and wound up deleting it.

Honestly this just got me more pissed off. The mom is a fucking hero, and this is another case of Christian conservative outrage ruining lives for their own conspiracies, with anti-sjw/outrage culture as their pawns

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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

the fuckers putting hetero/homo/trans/bisexual titles on kids.

Who is saying the kid is bisexual. Please point out that post.

Blue_Dream87 posted...
Thank you for watching the video and passing the pertinent info on to us.
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*conflates acknowledging potential for people younger than 18 to self identify as a particular gender with "sexualising kids"*

"Lol these guys are trying to conflate what I'm saying with being transphobic!"

Do you think 'gendered' toys, clothing etc are sexualising kids? Kids playing house?

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

King_Hutton posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

imagine being upset that a parent doesn't want their kid sexualized period.

Whos sexualizing kids?

did you read the topic?

the fuckers putting hetero/homo/trans/bisexual titles on kids.

none of this shit should be pushed on kids. they'll ask whatever questions they want to ask whenever they reach that stage in life.

Im so confused. Can you explain better?
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

Alright watching the video I posted. Some interesting parts of this whole case nobody talks about, and dude is pulling from the court testimony:

-Dad didn't have boys clothing at his house and didn't allow Luna to dress as a boy. He's also Greek Orthodox and appears devout in his interviews/speeches.
-Luna's brother, teacher, and a CPS agent all said she wanted to identify as a girl. She was also diagnosed with gender dysphoria by a neutral pediatrician, and confirmed by a therapist
-Nobody ever said she was going to be put on hormone blockers, they simply said they'd come back when Luna's 8 or 9 then evaluate if hormonal suppression should be introduced.
-The entire story was broke by Walt Heyer, a literal Soros conspiracy theorist and devout Christian who detransitioned when he found God. His article fed heavy Christian bias with questionable sources at best: minister who met Luna 3 times, friends of the father's who only sees Luna around him, and a Christian conservative pediatrician who believes LGBTQ+ education is being pushed by Planned Parenthood to make money off children through abortions and contraceptives. Most news sources ran this story, so misinformation has been spread from the start.
-The mother has been smeared as some SJW child abuser. The facts are she had made one public statement that pleaded for the happiness of her child, her Twitter was helpful medical advice to moms about like Diabetes, and was harassed and threatened on Twitter and wound up deleting it.

Honestly this just got me more pissed off. The mom is a fucking hero, and this is another case of Christian conservative outrage ruining lives for their own conspiracies, with anti-sjw/outrage culture as their pawns

ITP: supporting literal child abuse to own the Christians.
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Conflict posted...

Nobody's going to take you seriously when you call it "child abuse" like a child with a super rudimentary understanding of what's actually going on. Do you think they're having the kid go through the genital surgery or what

Withholding parental affection unless the kid wears a dress is child abuse. End of story.
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darkjedilink posted...

Conflict posted...

Nobody's going to take you seriously when you call it "child abuse" like a child with a super rudimentary understanding of what's actually going on. Do you think they're having the kid go through the genital surgery or what

Withholding parental affection unless the kid wears a dress is child abuse. End of story.

You think you wouldnt have to argue this...
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Parents can tell their kids they cant have cake for breakfast but not that they cant undergo irreversible surgery to mutilate their genitals or go on chemicals and hormone blockers that may fuck up puberty

Honestly if i were the dad id flee to canada or mexico and seek asylum from that batshit crazy corrupt court.

Kids dont even know what they want. I probably wanted to be an firefighting astronaut cop ninja

Its so confusing how people want to have strong opinions taken seriously when its obvious that havent read much about this case.
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King_Hutton posted...

Its so confusing how people want to have strong opinions taken seriously when its obvious that havent read much about this case.

Like how, after this blew up nationally, the judge gave the father medical rights over the child. That means that no transitionary procedures can be done on this child without the father's express consent.

Kind of hard to argue that maybe the courts got it right the first time if that's the case huh?
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darkjedilink posted...

King_Hutton posted...

Its so confusing how people want to have strong opinions taken seriously when its obvious that havent read much about this case.

Like how, after this blew up nationally, the judge gave the father medical rights over the child. That means that no transitionary procedures can be done on this child without the father's express consent.

Kind of hard to argue that maybe the courts got it right the first time if that's the case huh?

Your argument here is that propaganda and public pressure persuaded a judge rather than facts and expert opinions. In case you werent sure what you were saying, because it really doesnt sound like you know what youre saying.
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King_Hutton posted...

darkjedilink posted...

King_Hutton posted...

Its so confusing how people want to have strong opinions taken seriously when its obvious that havent read much about this case.

Like how, after this blew up nationally, the judge gave the father medical rights over the child. That means that no transitionary procedures can be done on this child without the father's express consent.

Kind of hard to argue that maybe the courts got it right the first time if that's the case huh?

Your argument here is that propaganda and public pressure persuaded a judge rather than facts and expert opinions. In case you werent sure what you were saying, because it really doesnt sound like you know what youre saying.

No, my argument was that the decision is so obviously flawed that the judge had no choice but to succumb to public pressure.

Again, the judge and those 'experts' are actively ignoring video evidence that clearly refutes their decision.
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That doesnt make any sense.

Youre saying that because people uninvolved with the case who dont know the case complained, the judge overruled people who had all the evidence.
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King_Hutton posted...

That doesnt make any sense.

Youre saying that because people uninvolved with the case who dont know the case complained, the judge overruled people who had all the evidence.

No, I'm saying it's obvious that the judge and CPS are biased - so much so that they actively ignored all of the evidence that went against that bias, and when confronted with state lawmakers, had no choice but to actually follow the law and accept that the father does, in fact, have the right to put the kaibash on the mothers' de-facto child abuse.
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The judge is biased now because he gave in to public pressure? And youre saying that supports you?
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King_Hutton posted...

The judge is biased now because he gave in to public pressure? And youre saying that supports you?

You're trolling, right? It's fucking obvious that I was explicitly stating the judge's bias is against the father (you know, because almost every family court judge in America is biased against fathers?).
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Your line of argument doesnt make any sense. One second youre praising the judge for giving it to public pressure in favor of the father and next youre calling him biased against the father.
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King_Hutton posted...

Your line of argument doesnt make any sense. One second youre praising the judge for giving it to public pressure in favor of the father and next youre calling him biased against the father.

I have not once 'praised' the judge. Thanks for proving you're just trolling.
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