Current Events > Climate change: Current warming 'unparalleled' in 2,000 years

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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49086783
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2,000 years is sweet dick fuck all to this planet.
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No one actually cares. Some are just better at making it sound as if they do, while doing the exact same things as those who don't.
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Okay.

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what would Julius Caesar do
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I guess someone should have let all the celebrities who attended the Google Camp climate change event.

https://pagesix.com/2019/07/30/a-listers-flock-to-google-summit-in-private-jets-mega-yachts-to-talk-climate-change/

Shit is bleak
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Anyone who wants to know what a runaway greenhouse effect looks like should take a peek at Venus

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https://www.carbonbrief.org/global-extent-of-climate-change-is-unparalleled-in-past-2000-years
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Tupacrulez posted...

2,000 years is sweet dick fuck all to this planet.

Let's talk about humans
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The impact of human-caused climate change can be felt almost everywhere on Earth. Average global temperatures have risen by around 1C since the start of the industrial era

I'm sure that's actually really bad but they really should have picked a better statistic lol

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bump
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@Autocraticus posted...

I guess someone should have let all the celebrities who attended the Google Camp climate change event.

Let them what?
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SquirrelyDan posted...

@Autocraticus posted...

I guess someone should have let all the celebrities who attended the Google Camp climate change event.

Let them what?

Let them know.

It's depressing
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This is why I don't save for retirement
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SpiralDrift posted...

No one actually cares. Some are just better at making it sound as if they do, while doing the exact same things as those who don't.

Are you somehow implying that personal consumption patterns make up the core problem here?
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Exxon Knew about Climate Change almost 40 years ago | A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

Exxon knew of climate change in 1981, email says but it funded deniers for 27 more years
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding?CMP=share_btn_tw

Just 100 companies have been the source of more than 70% of the worlds greenhouse gas emissions since 1988, according to a new report.
https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change

Nearly half of all wildlife has died in the last 40 years.
https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife-forest-climate-change-wwf-a9056516.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37775622

The National Institute for Space Research (Inpe) said its satellite data showed an 84% increase of Amazon forest fires on the same period in 2018.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49415973

We are in an extinction event that is ten to one-hundred times the rate of any other extinction on Earth, save the giant impact event.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction

It seems like hyperbole, but it isn't. We are currently undergoing the fastest extinction in the planet's history. But at least some capitalists got the high score.

The weather around here is definitely indicative that all is not well in Climate Town. It's just so hot and erratic.
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And we're suppose to do what exactly about it?
Because if any answer to that question results in me having to pay more for anything, inconveniences me or causes me to have alter my day to day habits. Then I'm not doing it.

That's just the plain and honest truth. For all of us.
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EternalDivide posted...

Because if any answer to that question results in me having to pay more for anything, inconveniences me or causes me to have alter my day to day habits. Then I'm not doing it.

What are you afraid of?
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EternalDivide posted...

And we're suppose to do what exactly about it?
Because if any answer to that question results in me having to pay more for anything, inconveniences me or causes me to have alter my day to day habits. Then I'm not doing it.

That's just the plain and honest truth. For all of us.

This is the harsh reality. People like to point fingers at faceless corporations but it's normal people who give them the monetary incentive to do what they do, and that demand isn't going to change. We're all guilty.
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EternalDivide posted...

And we're suppose to do what exactly about it?
Because if any answer to that question results in me having to pay more for anything, inconveniences me or causes me to have alter my day to day habits. Then I'm not doing it.

You're already going to have to do all of those things because the climate is changing in a V bad way.

But I guess if being nihilistic about it helps you feel more comfortable then go for it
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They change doomsday every week at this point. This is the new SARS/killer bee alarmist nonsense. Just replace your bulbs, recycle and live your life.

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SpiralDrift posted...

EternalDivide posted...

And we're suppose to do what exactly about it?
Because if any answer to that question results in me having to pay more for anything, inconveniences me or causes me to have alter my day to day habits. Then I'm not doing it.

That's just the plain and honest truth. For all of us.

This is the harsh reality. People like to point fingers at faceless corporations but it's normal people who give them the monetary incentive to do what they do, and that demand isn't going to change. We're all guilty.

That's not true at all. This nihilism is gonna get us all baked. We could push for action on renewable energy, fund huge research expenditures on energy and artificial meat, etc, but the same people pushing this nihilism are the ones who actively stop that from happening.

We blame and discredit Communism for famines and lack of innovation right? So what are we gonna say about capitalism when it destroys the freaking planet?
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Kolibri X posted...

They change doomsday every week at this point. This is the new SARS/killer bee alarmist nonsense. Just replace your bulbs, recycle and live your life.

hot take
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SpiralDrift posted...

EternalDivide posted...

And we're suppose to do what exactly about it?
Because if any answer to that question results in me having to pay more for anything, inconveniences me or causes me to have alter my day to day habits. Then I'm not doing it.

That's just the plain and honest truth. For all of us.

This is the harsh reality. People like to point fingers at faceless corporations but it's normal people who give them the monetary incentive to do what they do, and that demand isn't going to change. We're all guilty.

wow just wow
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legendary_zell posted...

SpiralDrift posted...

EternalDivide posted...

And we're suppose to do what exactly about it?
Because if any answer to that question results in me having to pay more for anything, inconveniences me or causes me to have alter my day to day habits. Then I'm not doing it.

That's just the plain and honest truth. For all of us.

This is the harsh reality. People like to point fingers at faceless corporations but it's normal people who give them the monetary incentive to do what they do, and that demand isn't going to change. We're all guilty.

That's not true at all. This nihilism is gonna get us all baked. We could push for action on renewable energy, fund huge research expenditures on energy and artificial meat, etc, but the same people pushing this nihilism are the ones who actively stop that from happening.

We blame and discredit Communism for famines and lack of innovation right? So what are we gonna say about capitalism when it destroys the freaking planet?

Unless this results in technologies that are actually affordable no one's going to change anything. And for the things that are already affordable like solar power, most people still don't seem to want to change. Even the celebrities that champion all of this stuff still fly around in their private jets, buy fleets of vehicles just for the hell of it and generally have way higher footprints than those who just drive to work and run errands.

Developing new technologies isn't enough. One way or another you're going to have to convince people to change their way of life in order to adopt those technologies.
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SpiralDrift posted...

Developing new technologies isn't enough. One way or another you're going to have to convince people to change their way of life in order to adopt those technologies.

Yup. The American way of life is sustained by borrowing against the future. And we've only got a few decades of future left.
SpiralDrift posted...

This is the harsh reality. People like to point fingers at faceless corporations but it's normal people who give them the monetary incentive to do what they do, and that demand isn't going to change. We're all guilty.

Corporations have spent billions in propaganda to normalize the ridiculous levels of overconsumption for their profit.

SpiralDrift posted...

legendary_zell posted...

SpiralDrift posted...

EternalDivide posted...

And we're suppose to do what exactly about it?
Because if any answer to that question results in me having to pay more for anything, inconveniences me or causes me to have alter my day to day habits. Then I'm not doing it.

That's just the plain and honest truth. For all of us.

This is the harsh reality. People like to point fingers at faceless corporations but it's normal people who give them the monetary incentive to do what they do, and that demand isn't going to change. We're all guilty.

That's not true at all. This nihilism is gonna get us all baked. We could push for action on renewable energy, fund huge research expenditures on energy and artificial meat, etc, but the same people pushing this nihilism are the ones who actively stop that from happening.

We blame and discredit Communism for famines and lack of innovation right? So what are we gonna say about capitalism when it destroys the freaking planet?

Unless this results in technologies that are actually affordable no one's going to change anything. And for the things that are already affordable like solar power, most people still don't seem to want to change. Even the celebrities that champion all of this stuff still fly around in their private jets, buy fleets of vehicles just for the hell of it and generally have way higher footprints than those who just drive to work and run errands.

Developing new technologies isn't enough. One way or another you're going to have to convince people to change their way of life in order to adopt those technologies.

This issue isn't caused by celebrities flying private jets or being hypocrites, that's just an easy deflection. It's about an unsustainable way of life and an growth obsessed economic system that is hyper focused on short term profit to the detriment of future living beings on this only planet that we have. The issues are systemic, and that's why it'll take either a scientific or social revolution to address them. If people took it as seriously as they take mobilizing for war, there's no reason it couldn't happen, but instead people alternate between blind skepticism and being paralyzed like we see in this topic.

Solar power got cheaper because tons were made and because solar power got cheaper and easier. If we treated it as an existential mission, we could do that throughout society, and the reason it doesn't happen is corporate lobbying, corporate propaganda, and people saying it doesn't matter anyway because they actually believe that or because it's a cover for climate change denial.

The focus on individual footprints is misguided, things have to change on an industry or systems level. The rainforests have to be guarded, fossil fuels have to be greatly rolled back, beef production has to roll back, and we need carbon neutral forms of energy. There is nothing impossible about this because these are all human actions, the problem is our short-sightedness and people not acknowledging that a problem even exists until they have to evacuate Florida.
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It's ok to blame both corporations and normal people. You can't honestly tell me it's just one or the other. Humans are greedy and lazy. You can even be both at the same time.
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We will become extinct, and the universe won't even notice.
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EternalDivide posted...

Because if any answer to that question results in me having to pay more for anything, inconveniences me or causes me to have alter my day to day habits. Then I'm not doing it.

That's just the plain and honest truth. For all of us.

and people will die because of this

lots of people, most of the ones you'll live to see suffer and die will be far away

but possibly eventually your child will be a victim of it

probably not you, though
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I would bet that if more people owned their homes they would be more open to adopting solar power. If you're renting or living in an apartment you probably don't have the option since you don't own the property.
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"Global warming doesn't exist because it's snowed in Iceland!"

We're all going to die, because of the uneducated, and the assholes who intentionally did nothing about this because "Not my problem".

If there's anything we can do, we should do it. Not our of the kindness of our heats(because let's be real), but because fuck putting up with all this heat.

First sentence intentional.
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SpiralDrift posted...

I would bet that if more people owned their homes they would be more open to adopting solar power. If you're renting or living in an apartment you probably don't have the option since you don't own the property.

This is what I mean by society mobilizing. This is an obstacle right now, but it shouldn't be. People who own homes have more control, but multi family units should be even easier in a way. Cities, states, and the feds should mandate it for apartments, condos, duplexes etc whenever possible. That's if we were serious.
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Umbreon posted...

We're all going to die, because of the uneducated

No, because of greedy corporations
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Time for Stargate SG-1 to take us to the Alpha site
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civilization has 20 years absolute max

I feel like I'm just numb to these headlines now
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Here's the thing: It's too late.

Research it. The damage is done. Nothing will change it now. You could go out and plant a million trees and put a band-aid over the ozone and gather the fucking Dragonballs and wish all the animals back.

We fucked the Earth too hard, and there's no un-fucking it. So don't let anyone make you feel bad about "not doing your part". There's nothing left to do. It's already over. All you can do now is sit back and watch.

Chicken_Butt posted...

Here's the thing: It's too late.

Research it. The damage is done. Nothing will change it now. You could go out and plant a million trees and put a band-aid over the ozone and gather the fucking Dragonballs and wish all the animals back.

We fucked the Earth too hard, and there's no un-fucking it. So don't let anyone make you feel bad about "not doing your part". There's nothing left to do. It's already over. All you can do now is sit back and watch.

Unfortunately this. Its irreversible. I really hate to sound bleak but that's the way of it.
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I guess this means Jesus is coming back.

Hopefully to turn the thermostat down so he can go back to sleep.
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I wouldn't be surprised if that's true.

But I still feel like a band aid beats just letting it fester. If we're at "We can only delay the inevitable", I choose delaying it over accelerating it.

Granted I'm not really sure what I can do.
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Rexdragon125 posted...

Exxon Knew about Climate Change almost 40 years ago | A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

Exxon knew of climate change in 1981, email says but it funded deniers for 27 more years
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding?CMP=share_btn_tw

So they weren't just denying climate change, they knew about it and were actively spreading misinformation and fucking the earth over even harder so they could make more money. God, some people are just completely horrible.
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FL81 posted...

what would Julius Caesar do

Die

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