Poll of the Day > Do you believe that donald trump is racist?

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BlackScythe0 posted...

So they don't belong here, but the people worshiping a fascist racist in the land of the free do?

The country was started with ethnic cleansing of the natives. Kinda not really free.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

So they don't belong here, but the people worshiping a fascist racist in the land of the free do?

Woodrow Wilson has been dead since 1924 bro

Yes I am pretty sure he is. One example I could think of for you Trumpists who are gonna clamor for some sort of explanation is when he tweeted something about a judge being biased against him because he is of Mexican descent. Why might have Trump thought that if he wasnt aware that his comments stoke ethnic hatred?

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trump is just pretending to be racist
he is ineffectual in his racism and even supports gay pride of all things

one thing he is not is into is life, he pollutes the planets for money
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Definitely.
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He knows his supporters are racist so he says racist things so they'll like him more.
Does he actually believe those things? Fuck no. All he believes is that he's the best and he'll say and do whatever the fuck to make his supporters worship him more.
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Zareth posted...

He knows his supporters are racist so he says racist things so they'll like him more.
Does he actually believe those things? Fuck no. All he believes is that he's the best and he'll say and do whatever the fuck to make his supporters worship him more.

Funny that he said and did overtly racist things long before he became a republican or got into politics

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OhhhJa posted...

So you arent allowed to call countries shitholes even if they are.

You're allowed to call countries whatever you want. Being racist is completely allowed - the president does it all the time (while at the same time, bizarrely, singing North Korea's praises, which is in much worse shape than any African country).

OhhhJa posted...

Havent looked into the case in detail

Then don't bother commenting on it until you do, because otherwise you're just admitting that you're pulling excuses out of your ass.

OhhhJa posted...

it's probably more of a sense of frustration at them for constantly talking about how horrible america is and lashing out at him personally.

Him attacking them certainly was and he easily could have done that in a million different ways that weren't racist (as you say, the president should be above all that, but Trump isn't, so let's deal with degrees here instead). Saying "go back to where you come from", however, is mad racist, *especially* when 75% of the people you're talking about were American born and raised, since it implies "You're not white, so you must not be from here and should go somewhere else instead", which has all sorts of ugly historical connotations.

OhhhJa posted...

He was referring to there being a significant drug and sex trafficking problem

Then he should have said that.

But he didn't. He said - exact quote here - "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we're getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They're sending us not the right people."

If someone later tried to retcon that into being Trump talking about sex and drug cartels, that's just a snow job, plain and simple (which, bizarrely, implies that Mexico is deliberately sending those into the US and also that Donald Trump thinks some cartel members and sex traffickers are good people).

OhhhJa posted...

I'd probably assume that a lot of Mexicans wouldnt like me

Dude, can you not read? The judge was American! Not Mexican - American. He was born in East Chicago, Indiana and has lived and worked in the US his entire life. He's no more Mexican than I am Ukrainian, on account of the fact that that's where my great-grandparents on my mother's side immigrated from.

OhhhJa posted...

Pretty sure you're talking about his comments about MS-13 and if you object to them being called animals then wtf bro

You wouldnt believe how bad these people are. These arent people, these are animals, and were taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate thats never happened before.
I find it curious how Trump has never labelled any white criminals "animals", or said they're not people. Don't you find that curious?
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DPsx7 posted...

His point was those 4 are brats who can't do their job, at all.

If that was his point, he should have made it without saying "go back to where you came from" to four people who are from the US.

DPsx7 posted...

If you're going to complain about your country that much, you don't need to be here.

If that logic held water, every Republican congressperson who held office from 2008 to 2016 should have left the country, because those guys did nothing but bitch and complain about the state of things for those years.

Or does your logic only apply when you agree with the person in the White House?

DPsx7 posted...

Nobody cares about where they came from

Trump clearly does, or he wouldn't have mentioned it.

His supporters too, else they wouldn't have started screaming "Send them back" for 13 seconds at a rally while Trump stood there and basked in the racism.

DPsx7 posted...

Stop using it as a crutch.

Trump and the Republicans were the ones who brought up the topic of where these people are from and what right they have to be here, representing the districts who dutifully elected them.

If you don't like it as a topic of conversation, that's too bad - put on your big boy pants and deal with it, because your president made it relevant.
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Knowing Trump is racist is like knowing the sky is blue.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Oh ya. What made ya change your mind?

Can't I genuinely decide not to be an asshole?

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It really depends on your definition of racism, because there are some credible and sincerely held definitions of racism that he's not even close on.
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BlackScythe0 posted...

So they don't belong here, but the people worshiping a fascist racist in the land of the free do?

Worship? That's a stretch. He's a guy with a job. The only people who need to leave are the ones unhappy to be here. I don't care about the rest of their details. Anyone who immigrates must have a reason, and should integrate to their new location. Nobody is forced to stay either.
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Lokarin posted...

Sure, everyone is

Im only racist against stupid.
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i don't think he's actually racist, but playing one to appease his racist base, ok?
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I believe he likes the attention he gets from his fan base when he says openly racist things. Whether or not he's truly racist underneath that is hard to say, since the man has no personality beyond that ego-stroking, but I'd have no difficulty believing that he was.
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DPsx7 posted...

The only people who need to leave are the ones unhappy to be here.

Then why didn't the Republicans all leave when Obama was president?

The country would probably be in much better shape if they had.
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Can anyone give even one example of racism? Like actual racism, and not something that is labeled as racist by people who hate trump?
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Peterass posted...

Can anyone give even one example of racism? Like actual racism, and not something that is labeled as racist by people who hate trump?

what would be an example of actual racism to you? These things are rarely simple and straightforward

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Not sure if he is racist or not but I think he's been well-schooled in the "Southern Strategy" tactics used by the GOP in which they resort to using race-baiting to rile up racist Whites who vent their hatred of non-Whites.
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darkknight109 posted...

-He called African countries "shitholes" and said he wanted more immigration from Norway

And you can't think of *any* reasons besides race why he might have thought that? Like, idk, maybe the fact that Norway is a first-world country with a crime rate that's low even among developed nations?

darkknight109 posted...

-He was found guilty of discrimination in his treatment of black applicants/tenants at his housing properties

No, Trump was not "found guilty" of discrimination. As previously mentioned, he was also named in a lawsuit alongside his father, Fred. Some of the former building managers pointed out that Fred Trump was behind the policy and, even if they didn't make the claim, Fred obviously had the final say in these matters. Finally, and most importantly, --- and it's absurd that I'd have to point this out to somebody who pretends to be educated on such matters --- but NEITHER one was "found guilty." It's ridiculous that you'd falsely claim that. It's behavior I'd expect from Erik, etc.

darkknight109 posted...

-He told four elected Congresswomen, all of whom are American citizens and all but one of whom were born and raised in the United States and have never lived elsewhere, to "go back to where they came from"

At least three of whom have highlighted their ties to these other places. AOC in particular is a vocal supporter of Puerto Rico. More importantly, I can't recall him singling these four individuals out--- instead I *believe* it was inferred by pundits and politicians.

darkknight109 posted...

-He opened his campaign claiming that the immigrants crossing the border from Mexico were a collection of rapists and murderers, before tepidly adding "and some, I assume, are good people", implying he's never actually met a Mexican who meets his definition of "a good person"

...and I notice that you conveniently omit that he opened THAT statement with "Mexico isn't sending its best people." The fact that you purposefully don't list that to imply that he meant something about the Mexican people rather than illegal immigrants implies a lot about your motivations.

darkknight109 posted...

-He claimed that an American born-and-raised Hispanic judge could not give impartial judgement on a case Trump was party to because of his "Mexican heritage"

I honestly can't remember the context of that case, although I believe it was something I previously debunked. Not that it stops you from repeating the same flat-out lies and deceptions.

darkknight109 posted...

-He called immigrants animals (and Zeus himself told some people on this board that calling people animals is racist, so that should tell you something)

...which I mentioned in relation to younger people who grew up knowing the connotations and explained why it doesn't necessarily apply to somebody like Trump in a lengthy discussion.

darkknight109 posted...

Again, that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure someone can and has created a more comprehensive list.

All of which are also misleading or outright false, and come from a larger list of anti-Trump propaganda.
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darkknight109 posted...

You're allowed to call countries whatever you want. Being racist is completely allowed - the president does it all the time (while at the same time, bizarrely, singing North Korea's praises, which is in much worse shape than any African country).

An assertion that certainly sounds racist. Although KJU is a despot presiding over an inordinately oppressive regime, the nation hasn't been fighting a constant ongoing civil war where children are recruited as soldiers so clearly by any reasonable metric it's superior to at least *some* African nations. And it should be noted that many of its QOL issues aren't internal, but instead the result of global embargos (which, while justified given human rights violations, isn't nearly the same thing as nations having internal strife). More importantly, it's not so "bizarre" when you consider that Trump is trying broker a deal with them and very nearly everybody (excluding you, apparently) understands you get more flies with honey than vinegar.

darkknight109 posted...

I find it curious how Trump has never labelled any white criminals "animals", or said they're not people. Don't you find that curious?

I find it curious that you believe -- or, more likely, pretend to believe -- that.
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So, no. No one has any examples where he has said anything that is discriminatory based on race.
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He's responsible for the Tiger Woods comeback

Peterass posted...

So, no. No one has any examples where he has said anything that is discriminatory based on race.

How is telling 4 ethnic americans to go back to where they came from not racist to you?

or how about when he declared that the American judge was unfit to stop his travel ban because he was of mexican descent? That also isnt racist to you?

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Peterass posted...

So, no. No one has any examples where he has said anything that is discriminatory based on race.

Telling 3 brown Congress women to go back to their country when they are US born is definitely racism.
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Mead posted...

How is telling 4 ethnic americans to go back to where they came from not racist to you?

or how about when he declared that the American judge was unfit to stop his travel ban because he was of mexican descent? That also isnt racist to you?

In example one, he said if you hate this country then you can leave. Nothing to do with race, color etc. and they were not discriminated against.

In example 2, he said that the judge had previously expressed intent oppose any wall due to his Mexican and Hispanic decent, he therefore could not be impartial.

Not racism.
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Peterass posted...

Mead posted...

How is telling 4 ethnic americans to go back to where they came from not racist to you?

or how about when he declared that the American judge was unfit to stop his travel ban because he was of mexican descent? That also isnt racist to you?

In example one, he said if you hate this country then you can leave. Nothing to do with race, color etc. and they were not discriminated against.

In example 2, he said that the judge had previously expressed intent oppose any wall due to his Mexican and Hispanic decent, he therefore could not be impartial.

Not racism.

There is no normal workplace in America, private or public, where you can tell a brown person "go back to where you came from" and not be fired for racism.

Taily_Po posted...

And you can't think of *any* reasons besides race why he might have thought that? Like, idk, maybe the fact that Norway is a first-world country with a crime rate that's low even among developed nations?

If that was the reasoning, he would have picked a nation from the top ten for least crime, which Norway doesn't make. But I'm guessing Trump doesn't want immigrants from places like Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, or Bahrain.

Taily_Po posted...

No, Trump was not "found guilty" of discrimination.

The only reason they weren't found guilty was because they settled and signed a consent decree. The evidence against them was highly damning.

ELYSE GOLDWEBER: I went to a place called Operation Open City. What they had done was send testersmeaning one white couple and one couple of colorto Trump Village, a very large, lower-middle-class housing project in Brooklyn. And of course the white people were treated great, and for the people of color there were no apartments. We subpoenaed all their documents. Thats how we found that a persons application, if you were a person of color, had a big C on it.

The Department of Justice brings the case and we name Fred Trump, the father, and Donald Trump, the son, and Donald hires Roy Cohn, of Army-McCarthy fame. [Cohn, a Trump mentor, had served as Senator Joe McCarthys chief counsel during his investigations of alleged Communists in the government and was accused of pressuring the Army to give preferential treatment to a personal friend.] Cohn turns around and sues us for $100 million. This was my first appearance as a lawyer in court. Cohn spoke for two hours, then the judge ruled from the bench that you cant sue the government for prosecuting you. The next week we took the depositions. My boss took Freds, and I got to take Donalds. He was exactly the way he is today. He said to me at one point during a coffee break, You know, you dont want to live with them either.

Everyone in the world has looked for that deposition. We cannot find it. Trump always acted like he was irritated to be there. He denied everything, and we went on with our case. We had the records with the C, and we had the testers, and you could see that everything was lily-white over there. Ultimately they settledthey signed a consent decree. They had to post all their apartments with the Urban League, advertise in the Amsterdam News, many other things. It was pretty strong.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/

Taily_Po posted...

The fact that you purposefully don't list that to imply that he meant something about the Mexican people rather than illegal immigrants implies a lot about your motivations.

"He's only calling all the illegal immigrants criminals and rapists!" isn't the stellar defense you seem to think it is.

Taily_Po posted...

At least three of whom have highlighted their ties to these other places. AOC in particular is a vocal supporter of Puerto Rico. More importantly, I can't recall him singling these four individuals out--- instead I *believe* it was inferred by pundits and politicians.

Nope, Trump himself confirmed in a tweet he meant those four. Pretending that a tweet about "progressive Democrat congresswomen" doesn't include four of the most high profile progressive Democrat congresswomen is just lol.

Taily_Po posted...

All of which are also misleading or outright false, and come from a larger list of anti-Trump propaganda.

Your response to everything you don't want to believe. What exactly would convince you that Trump is racist?
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Taily_Po posted...

AOC in particular is a vocal supporter of Puerto Rico.

... Which is part of the US. Man, geography class must have been fun for you.
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OhhhJa posted...

darkknight109 posted...

He called African countries "s***holes" and said he wanted more immigration from Norway

So you arent allowed to call countries shitholes even if they are. I'm sure a lot of people from those countries that have emigrated here would say the same

darkknight109 posted...

-He was found guilty of discrimination in his treatment of black applicants/tenants at his housing properties

Havent looked into the case in detail but I would imagine he wasnt that directly hands on with leases or tenants. That would probably be more of a think with the folks working under him taking the applications and actually running the properties

darkknight109 posted...

He told four elected Congresswomen, all of whom are American citizens and all but one of whom were born and raised in the United States and have never lived elsewhere, to "go back to where they came from"

This one I can see and dont agree with his comments but it's probably more of a sense of frustration at them for constantly talking about how horrible america is and lashing out at him personally. Still, as the president he needs to be above that

darkknight109 posted...

-He opened his campaign claiming that the immigrants crossing the border from Mexico were a collection of rapists and murderers, before tepidly adding "and some, I assume, are good people", implying he's never actually met a Mexican who meets his definition of "a good person"

Ahhh the favorite go to. He was referring to there being a significant drug and sex trafficking problem that is crossing the border back and forth without any repercussion but the media framed it as him saying that every mexican is a rapist

darkknight109 posted...

-He claimed that an American born-and-raised Hispanic judge could not give impartial judgement on a case Trump was party to because of his "Mexican heritage"

Honestly, I would be paranoid too if the media had been bombarding the public with articles saying I was racist toward mexicans. I'd probably assume that a lot of Mexicans wouldnt like me

darkknight109 posted...

-He called immigrants animals (and Zeus himself told some people on this board that calling people animals is racist, so that should tell you something)

Pretty sure you're talking about his comments about MS-13 and if you object to them being called animals then wtf bro

Holy shit dude, those are some heavy blinders you are wearing. I mean, you have to be to see each of those examples and not see racism in them. It's okay to admit being a racist. It just means it would be better if you don't vote next time since you likely got Trump into office and are one of the problems that needs to be removed/silenced.
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Taily_Po posted...

darkknight109 posted...

You're allowed to call countries whatever you want. Being racist is completely allowed - the president does it all the time (while at the same time, bizarrely, singing North Korea's praises, which is in much worse shape than any African country).

An assertion that certainly sounds racist. Although KJU is a despot presiding over an inordinately oppressive regime, the nation hasn't been fighting a constant ongoing civil war where children are recruited as soldiers so clearly by any reasonable metric it's superior to at least *some* African nations. And it should be noted that many of its QOL issues aren't internal, but instead the result of global embargos (which, while justified given human rights violations, isn't nearly the same thing as nations having internal strife). More importantly, it's not so "bizarre" when you consider that Trump is trying broker a deal with them and very nearly everybody (excluding you, apparently) understands you get more flies with honey than vinegar.

darkknight109 posted...

I find it curious how Trump has never labelled any white criminals "animals", or said they're not people. Don't you find that curious?

I find it curious that you believe -- or, more likely, pretend to believe -- that.

He hasn't though. He has only called PoC animals.
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adjl posted...

Taily_Po posted...

AOC in particular is a vocal supporter of Puerto Rico.

... Which is part of the US. Man, geography class must have been fun for you.

I doubt it. He probably failed that among many other classes like his buddy, Dump.
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Ohhhja and Tally_Po are obviously part of the group that Trump was referring to when he said

I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldnt lose voters.

Despite the fact that those white supremacists were marching in Charlottesvile chanting "Jews will not replace us", Trump wouldn't condemn their actions. Despite the fact that one of those "very good people", as Trump called them, plowed through the crowd and killed a woman with his car, Trump would not condemn them. Why? Because he agrees with them.

No matter what Trump does or says, his sycophants are ready to justify his actions and words.
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They just keep insisting that clearly racist things are not racist like that makes it true

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Mead posted...

They just keep insisting that clearly racist things are not racist like that makes it true

The one thing that 100% no one can defend is this.

Yellow posted...

He tells US born politicians to "go back to their own countries"

That is objectively racist. If their grandpa said it, they would immediately know he's racist, but because it's Trump there's a little selective memory going on. They'll probably go as far as to try to accept that telling brown people to go back to their own countries isn't a racist thing to do.

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Lokarin posted...

Sure, everyone is

CTLM posted...

Technically everyone is racist. But I don't believe he is racist to the extent that the media portrays him as.

He only became so terribly and blatantly racist once he president? I don't think so

It's always funny to see racists tell on themselves with "everyone is racist".
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adjl posted...

Taily_Po posted...

AOC in particular is a vocal supporter of Puerto Rico.

... Which is part of the US. Man, geography class must have been fun for you.

And frankly they need all the support they can get. Hurricane disaster and corruption. Hurricane season is coming up with an unknown/uncertain leader while the President of the American Empire is mostly reactive to such disasters. Come on folks!
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BlackScythe0 posted...

There is no normal workplace in America, private or public, where you can tell a brown person "go back to where you came from" and not be fired for racism.

Ah, but here's the neat part. What he said wasn't racist. It only becomes racist when low intellect people include the word 'brown' in the sentence. This is why most of the country is wrong. They're seeing and inventing racism where none exists, merely for attention or profit.

I'm damn near certain that 'squad' of fools capitalized on their race when they were on the ballot. Oh but now that anyone else mentions it, that makes it racist because it fits their agenda.
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Its not racist, he didnt use the n word

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He certainly seeks support from racists he described haiti by saying ew all of them have aids and the last thing we need is more of them. The classic telling women of color to go back to where they are from. His dad being a member of the klu Klux Klan. Plus saying that all Nigerians would be happy to leave their huts to come to America.
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DPsx7 posted...

It's the US so you're absolutely entitled to be wrong.

lmao, yeah, youd fuckin know.

Cacciato posted...

DPsx7 posted...

It's the US so you're absolutely entitled to be wrong.

lmao, yeah, youd fuckin know.

The right to be wrong is also known as the religious freedoms act.
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If a racist person says racist things and you don't think they are racist, you are probably a racist too.
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adjl posted...

... Which is part of the US. Man, geography class must have been fun for you.

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he's objectively racist

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green dragon posted...

-Komaiko54- posted...

No. Racism is just a word that dems use to silence people

Hey, why don't you go back to where you came from?

I still don't see how that was racist. He said go back to where you came from, fix their country and then COME BACK and show us how its done. I am yet to see a single explanation on how it is racist.

This video sums it up perfectly. Enjoy!

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Peterass posted...

Can anyone give even one example of racism? Like actual racism, and not something that is labeled as racist by people who hate trump?

Lucky you, I've already posted several.

There's also this - quoted from the former president of the Trump Plaza and Casino in Atlantic City and admitted by Donald Trump to being "probably true"

Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. I think that the guy is lazy. And its probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. Its not anything they can control.

Taily_Po posted...

And you can't think of *any* reasons besides race why he might have thought that? Like, idk, maybe the fact that Norway is a first-world country with a crime rate that's low even among developed nations?

So why use Norway specifically and not, say, Japan? Why do all the places he likes to denigrate (Africa, Baltimore, California, etc.) have large PoC populations (often times constituting a majority of the population)? The only times I can recall him denigrating a predominantly white area/country was when he was claiming that immigration from non-white areas was ruining them (London, with its notably non-white Muslim mayor, Germany, Sweden, etc.)

Taily_Po posted...

No, Trump was not "found guilty" of discrimination.

Well, to be technical, he reached a settlement without admitting guilt. So read into that what you will.

The facts, however, were pretty damning and included Trump saying "You wouldn't want to live with them either," during a deposition, so I'm not buying your excuse that it was all Fred Trump's fault and none of his racism got passed on to his son.

Taily_Po posted...

At least three of whom have highlighted their ties to these other places. AOC in particular is a vocal supporter of Puerto Rico.

Puerto Rico is part of the US, bright-eyes. It's not an "other place", it's literally a territory of the country that she's charged with making laws for.
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Taily_Po posted...

More importantly, I can't recall him singling these four individuals out--- instead I *believe* it was inferred by pundits and politicians.

Then you believe incorrectly. Trump himself has confirmed he intended the tweets for "The Squad".

Taily_Po posted...

...and I notice that you conveniently omit that he opened THAT statement with "Mexico isn't sending its best people." The fact that you purposefully don't list that to imply that he meant something about the Mexican people rather than illegal immigrants implies a lot about your motivations.

You might notice that I gave Donald Trump's full, unedited quote if you bothered to read further in the topic.

And in what way does "Mexico isn't sending its best people" in any way imply he's only talking about illegal immigrants and not legal ones? More to the point, even if that was the intention, how does that in any way make it better and/or less racist?

Taily_Po posted...

I honestly can't remember the context of that case

Then you shouldn't comment until you refresh yourself on the pertinent details or else, like OhJaaa earlier, you're just pulling excuses out of your ass.

Taily_Po posted...

...which I mentioned in relation to younger people who grew up knowing the connotations and explained why it doesn't necessarily apply to somebody like Trump in a lengthy discussion.

I know, your attempts at mental dodging in that topic were hilarious!

Still racist though, especially when Trump had it explained to him multiple times.

Taily_Po posted...

Although KJU is a despot presiding over an inordinately oppressive regime, the nation hasn't been fighting a constant ongoing civil war where children are recruited as soldiers so clearly by any reasonable metric it's superior to at least *some* African nations.

Sure, kids aren't recruited as child soldiers there, they're just tossed in gulags for the rest of their (probably short) lives if their parents are found to have done something that annoys the regime.

Dunno about you, but that doesn't sound any better to me.

Taily_Po posted...

I find it curious that you believe -- or, more likely, pretend to believe -- that.

Speaking of pretending to believe things, I find this whole topic a fascinating study in cognitive dissonance on behalf of the Trump fans.

Many of them clearly believe:
1) That they like Donald Trump
2) That they do not like racism and are not racist themselves

So when Donald Trump does something that is clearly and unarguably racist, the clash in facts kind of causes their brains to go haywire trying to come up with an excuse for why that's not actually racist and he's totally an OK dude still. Some of the excuses are actually kind of staggering in how far in denial they are.
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tmac666 posted...

He said go back to where you came from, fix their country and then COME BACK and show us how its done. I am yet to see a single explanation on how it is racist.

Maybe because they're from the US, so saying "Go back to where you came from" is, in essence, saying "You're not white, so you must be from somewhere else".

Seems pretty straightforward to me.
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