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OctilIery 12/20/18 10:51:07 AM #101:	Paragon21XX posted... This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism. "You can't discriminate" isn't totalitarianism. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914442105] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote>This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism.</quote> "You can't discriminate" isn't totalitarianism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/20/18 10:51:22 AM #102:	OctilIery posted... HenryAllbright posted... SchoolForAnts posted... HenryAllbright posted... And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are all bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word. The difference is there are degrees of bigotry. I dont believe gay or trans people deserve to live in this planet therefore I cant bake a cake for them is pretty high up there. Pushing for the government to force an individual to do something that adheres to your opinion is a higher form of bigotry than the individual refusing to do the thing that was asked of him in the first place. The application of force makes it higher order. No. Yes it is. Using force is more aggressive. How can you disagree with that? Or do you just not understand the definition of bigotry? --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914442116] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are all bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word.</quote> The difference is there are degrees of bigotry. I dont believe gay or trans people deserve to live in this planet therefore I cant bake a cake for them is pretty high up there.</quote> Pushing for the government to force an individual to do something that adheres to your opinion is a higher form of bigotry than the individual refusing to do the thing that was asked of him in the first place. The application of force makes it higher order.</quote> No.</quote> Yes it is. Using force is more aggressive. How can you disagree with that? Or do you just not understand the definition of bigotry?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 10:52:25 AM #103:	HenryAllbright posted... OctilIery posted... HenryAllbright posted... SchoolForAnts posted... HenryAllbright posted... And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are all bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word. The difference is there are degrees of bigotry. I dont believe gay or trans people deserve to live in this planet therefore I cant bake a cake for them is pretty high up there. Pushing for the government to force an individual to do something that adheres to your opinion is a higher form of bigotry than the individual refusing to do the thing that was asked of him in the first place. The application of force makes it higher order. No. Yes it is. Using force is more aggressive. How can you disagree with that? Or do you just not understand the definition of bigotry? This isn't discriminating against anyone, so it isn't bigotry. It's saying you can't discriminate against people. Sorry kid. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914442163] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are all bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word.</quote> The difference is there are degrees of bigotry. I dont believe gay or trans people deserve to live in this planet therefore I cant bake a cake for them is pretty high up there.</quote> Pushing for the government to force an individual to do something that adheres to your opinion is a higher form of bigotry than the individual refusing to do the thing that was asked of him in the first place. The application of force makes it higher order.</quote> No.</quote> Yes it is. Using force is more aggressive. How can you disagree with that? Or do you just not understand the definition of bigotry?</quote> This isn't discriminating against anyone, so it isn't bigotry. It's saying you can't discriminate against people. Sorry kid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoubleDare 12/20/18 10:53:20 AM #104:	I guarantee you the trans goes into other bakeries and probably never goes into detail what the cake is for. --- On Your Mark...Get Set........GO!!!!!! <cite>DoubleDare posted [p:914442206] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>I guarantee you the trans goes into other bakeries and probably never goes into detail what the cake is for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charocks 12/20/18 10:53:37 AM #105:	Mr_Karate_II posted... Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs? ScazarMeltex posted... Maybe if he wasn't a bigot this wouldn't keep happening. --- 11/01/18 - The day Nintendo failed Smash fans. GT - AN EWOKS WRATH <cite>Charocks posted [p:914442220] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?</quote> <cite>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe if he wasn't a bigot this wouldn't keep happening.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 12/20/18 10:53:50 AM #106:	Do you guys ever wonder what CE wouldve been like if it was around during the civil rights movement? --- Please <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:914442227] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Do you guys ever wonder what CE wouldve been like if it was around during the civil rights movement?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 12/20/18 10:55:43 AM #107:	PleaseClap posted... Do you guys ever wonder what CE wouldve been like if it was around during the civil rights movement? No need to wonder, we're living it right now. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:914442301] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>Do you guys ever wonder what CE wouldve been like if it was around during the civil rights movement?</quote> No need to wonder, we're living it right now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iClockwork 12/20/18 10:56:26 AM #108:	OctilIery posted... iClockwork posted... Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer. Nope. Sorry buddy but but federal laws disagrees with your opinion. <cite>iClockwork posted [p:914442325] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer.</quote> Nope.</quote> Sorry buddy but but federal laws disagrees with your opinion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 12/20/18 10:56:27 AM #109:	PleaseClap posted... Do you guys ever wonder what CE wouldve been like if it was around during the civil rights movement? We have literal neo Nazis on this board, I think we already know how they'd have behaved. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:914442328] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>Do you guys ever wonder what CE wouldve been like if it was around during the civil rights movement?</quote> We have literal neo Nazis on this board, I think we already know how they'd have behaved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 10:56:32 AM #110:	DoubleDare posted... I guarantee you the trans goes into other bakeries and probably never goes into detail what the cake is for. Maybe if the bakery owners didn't make it known they were pieces of shit, they wouldn't get targeted. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914442334] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoubleDare posted...</cite> <quote>I guarantee you the trans goes into other bakeries and probably never goes into detail what the cake is for.</quote> Maybe if the bakery owners didn't make it known they were pieces of shit, they wouldn't get targeted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 12/20/18 10:56:34 AM #111:	there isn't even any biblical basis to discriminate against trans people. it isnt legitimate for them to discriminate against gay people either but in this scenario they can't even point to any biblical scripture that says anything against trans people so him claiming religion here is even more bullshit than before --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:914442336] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>there isn't even any biblical basis to discriminate against trans people. it isnt legitimate for them to discriminate against gay people either but in this scenario they can't even point to any biblical scripture that says anything against trans people so him claiming religion here is even more bullshit than before</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
artowen74 12/20/18 10:56:59 AM #112:	SchoolForAnts posted... HenryAllbright posted... SchoolForAnts posted... HenryAllbright posted... Funkydog posted... And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then? The application of the word "force" is being used incorrectly. Nobody forced this person to go into this bakery. On the other hand, this person is trying to force this bakery to comply with his demands. I have no hatred toward and fully respect LGBT, but it's quite easy to see who's being a shithead in this situation. I hope the courts don't set a precedent that people can just go to businesses and demand them to make something they don't want to make. Getting upset at a bakery for not making a transgender cake is like getting upset at a video game manufacturer for not making a video game featuring a transgender as the main character. In other words, it's hardly worth getting upset about. What the fuck is a transgender cake? Is it a blue cake with a pink center? Or a cake shaped like a penis but that has ovary shaped bits inside? Cake doesnt have a gender Yes, language and stuff can be funny. Tons of people made the same comment during the original go around with the bakery refusing to serve a gay couple. "What's a gay wedding cake? It's just a cake!!!!" exclaimed thousands of people who thought they were being clever/witty. So you have two cakes. Theyre both chocolate and say congratulations! One is for a Westboro Baptist church protester who burns pikachu dolls and protest soldier funerals. One is for a an accountant that happens to be trans. How are both cake different? True, but one doesn't just happen to be trans; they have their own issues and beliefs that led them to undergo radical medical procedures. All the while society is expected to accept both, as they should; however to not get in line with SJW/trans viewpoints is more taboo than falling inline with expressions of religious beliefs nowadays. --- Now Playing: AC:Odyssey/Diablo 3:U.E.E./Spider-Man/Hopping back and forth between 50+ Indies, lol. RIP Hiroki Tobias; you're loved. :( <cite>artowen74 posted [p:914442355] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote>And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then?</quote> The application of the word "force" is being used incorrectly. Nobody forced this person to go into this bakery. On the other hand, this person is trying to force this bakery to comply with his demands. I have no hatred toward and fully respect LGBT, but it's quite easy to see who's being a shithead in this situation. I hope the courts don't set a precedent that people can just go to businesses and demand them to make something they don't want to make. Getting upset at a bakery for not making a transgender cake is like getting upset at a video game manufacturer for not making a video game featuring a transgender as the main character. In other words, it's hardly worth getting upset about.</quote> What the fuck is a transgender cake? Is it a blue cake with a pink center? Or a cake shaped like a penis but that has ovary shaped bits inside? Cake doesnt have a gender</quote> Yes, language and stuff can be funny. Tons of people made the same comment during the original go around with the bakery refusing to serve a gay couple. "What's a gay wedding cake? It's just a cake!!!!" exclaimed thousands of people who thought they were being clever/witty.</quote> So you have two cakes. Theyre both chocolate and say congratulations! One is for a Westboro Baptist church protester who burns pikachu dolls and protest soldier funerals. One is for a an accountant that happens to be trans. How are both cake different?</quote> True, but one doesn't just happen to be trans; they have their own issues and beliefs that led them to undergo radical medical procedures. All the while society is expected to accept both, as they should; however to not get in line with SJW/trans viewpoints is more taboo than falling inline with expressions of religious beliefs nowadays.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 12/20/18 10:57:00 AM #113:	OctilIery posted... Paragon21XX posted... This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism. "You can't discriminate" isn't totalitarianism. "Instead of respecting your beliefs, I'm going to make sure you are hit over and over again with fines until you are either our ideological puppet or your life is permanently ruined" is totalitarian. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:914442357] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote> This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism.</quote> "You can't discriminate" isn't totalitarianism.</quote> "Instead of respecting your beliefs, I'm going to make sure you are hit over and over again with fines until you are either our ideological puppet or your life is permanently ruined" is totalitarian.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 10:57:10 AM #114:	iClockwork posted... OctilIery posted... iClockwork posted... Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer. Nope. Sorry buddy but but federal laws disagrees with your opinion. Actually, they don't. Federal laws say you have a right to refusal, but there are specific things you can't refuse for. State laws also have additional things you can't refuse for. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914442362] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer.</quote> Nope.</quote> Sorry buddy but but federal laws disagrees with your opinion.</quote> Actually, they don't. Federal laws say you have a right to refusal, but there are specific things you can't refuse for. State laws also have additional things you can't refuse for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/20/18 10:57:13 AM #115:	OctilIery posted... HenryAllbright posted... OctilIery posted... HenryAllbright posted... SchoolForAnts posted... HenryAllbright posted... And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are all bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word. The difference is there are degrees of bigotry. I dont believe gay or trans people deserve to live in this planet therefore I cant bake a cake for them is pretty high up there. Pushing for the government to force an individual to do something that adheres to your opinion is a higher form of bigotry than the individual refusing to do the thing that was asked of him in the first place. The application of force makes it higher order. No. Yes it is. Using force is more aggressive. How can you disagree with that? Or do you just not understand the definition of bigotry? This isn't discriminating against anyone, so it isn't bigotry. It's saying you can't discriminate against people. Sorry kid. Bigotry isn't discrimination. Bigotry is "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself". If your intolerance leads to you pushing to use force to make people adhere to your opinions, then your level of bigotry is higher. And yes, it is discriminating. It's discrimination against this baker for choosing to be different. My guess is that you and others don't like the application of these words being used this way because those are supposed to be your weapons. Well I say tough shit that's just the way life works. Look, overall, I'd prefer to live in a society where people got along and did stuff for each other. The general attitude I see from people opposing this baker, the person taking him to court, the name-calling, etc....that's not the way to make progress. That's just being an asshole. I want my society to built on a solid foundation, not something that's held together by the threat of violence from the state. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914442365] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are all bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word.</quote> The difference is there are degrees of bigotry. I dont believe gay or trans people deserve to live in this planet therefore I cant bake a cake for them is pretty high up there.</quote> Pushing for the government to force an individual to do something that adheres to your opinion is a higher form of bigotry than the individual refusing to do the thing that was asked of him in the first place. The application of force makes it higher order.</quote> No.</quote> Yes it is. Using force is more aggressive. How can you disagree with that? Or do you just not understand the definition of bigotry?</quote> This isn't discriminating against anyone, so it isn't bigotry. It's saying you can't discriminate against people. Sorry kid.</quote> Bigotry isn't discrimination. Bigotry is "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself". If your intolerance leads to you pushing to use force to make people adhere to your opinions, then your level of bigotry is higher. And yes, it is discriminating. It's discrimination against this baker for choosing to be different. My guess is that you and others don't like the application of these words being used this way because those are supposed to be your weapons. Well I say tough shit that's just the way life works. Look, overall, I'd prefer to live in a society where people got along and did stuff for each other. The general attitude I see from people opposing this baker, the person taking him to court, the name-calling, etc....that's not the way to make progress. That's just being an asshole. I want my society to built on a solid foundation, not something that's held together by the threat of violence from the state.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 12/20/18 10:57:24 AM #116:	iClockwork posted... OctilIery posted... iClockwork posted... Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer. Nope. Sorry buddy but but federal laws disagrees with your opinion. >mentions federal law >ignores non-discrimination federal laws --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:914442369] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer.</quote> Nope.</quote> Sorry buddy but but federal laws disagrees with your opinion.</quote> >mentions federal law >ignores non-discrimination federal laws</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 10:57:53 AM #117:	Paragon21XX posted... OctilIery posted... Paragon21XX posted... This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism. "You can't discriminate" isn't totalitarianism. "Instead of respecting your beliefs, I'm going to make sure you are hit over and over again with fines until you are either our ideological puppet or your life is permanently ruined" is totalitarian. Except that isn't what happens here. They respect their beliefs. It's their actions that are the problem. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914442392] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote> This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism.</quote> "You can't discriminate" isn't totalitarianism.</quote> "Instead of respecting your beliefs, I'm going to make sure you are hit over and over again with fines until you are either our ideological puppet or your life is permanently ruined" is totalitarian.</quote> Except that isn't what happens here. They respect their beliefs. It's their actions that are the problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 10:58:46 AM #118:	HenryAllbright posted... OctilIery posted... HenryAllbright posted... OctilIery posted... HenryAllbright posted... SchoolForAnts posted... HenryAllbright posted... And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are all bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word. The difference is there are degrees of bigotry. I dont believe gay or trans people deserve to live in this planet therefore I cant bake a cake for them is pretty high up there. Pushing for the government to force an individual to do something that adheres to your opinion is a higher form of bigotry than the individual refusing to do the thing that was asked of him in the first place. The application of force makes it higher order. No. Yes it is. Using force is more aggressive. How can you disagree with that? Or do you just not understand the definition of bigotry? This isn't discriminating against anyone, so it isn't bigotry. It's saying you can't discriminate against people. Sorry kid. Bigotry isn't discrimination. Bigotry is "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself". If your intolerance leads to you pushing to use force to make people adhere to your opinions, then your level of bigotry is higher. And yes, it is discriminating. It's discrimination against this baker for choosing to be different. My guess is that you and others don't like the application of these words being used this way because those are supposed to be your weapons. Well I say tough shit that's just the way life works. Look, overall, I'd prefer to live in a society where people got along and did stuff for each other. The general attitude I see from people opposing this baker, the person taking him to court, the name-calling, etc....that's not the way to make progress. That's just being an asshole. I want my society to built on a solid foundation, not something that's held together by the threat of violence from the state. Keep trying kid. Punishing them for illegal actions isn't bigotry :) <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914442424] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are all bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word.</quote> The difference is there are degrees of bigotry. I dont believe gay or trans people deserve to live in this planet therefore I cant bake a cake for them is pretty high up there.</quote> Pushing for the government to force an individual to do something that adheres to your opinion is a higher form of bigotry than the individual refusing to do the thing that was asked of him in the first place. The application of force makes it higher order.</quote> No.</quote> Yes it is. Using force is more aggressive. How can you disagree with that? Or do you just not understand the definition of bigotry?</quote> This isn't discriminating against anyone, so it isn't bigotry. It's saying you can't discriminate against people. Sorry kid.</quote> Bigotry isn't discrimination. Bigotry is "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself". If your intolerance leads to you pushing to use force to make people adhere to your opinions, then your level of bigotry is higher. And yes, it is discriminating. It's discrimination against this baker for choosing to be different. My guess is that you and others don't like the application of these words being used this way because those are supposed to be your weapons. Well I say tough shit that's just the way life works. Look, overall, I'd prefer to live in a society where people got along and did stuff for each other. The general attitude I see from people opposing this baker, the person taking him to court, the name-calling, etc....that's not the way to make progress. That's just being an asshole. I want my society to built on a solid foundation, not something that's held together by the threat of violence from the state.</quote> Keep trying kid. Punishing them for illegal actions isn't bigotry :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 12/20/18 10:59:34 AM #119:	OctilIery posted... Paragon21XX posted... OctilIery posted... Paragon21XX posted... This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism. "You can't discriminate" isn't totalitarianism. "Instead of respecting your beliefs, I'm going to make sure you are hit over and over again with fines until you are either our ideological puppet or your life is permanently ruined" is totalitarian. Except that isn't what happens here. They respect their beliefs. It's their actions that are the problem. Nope. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:914442469] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote> This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism. </quote> "You can't discriminate" isn't totalitarianism. </quote> "Instead of respecting your beliefs, I'm going to make sure you are hit over and over again with fines until you are either our ideological puppet or your life is permanently ruined" is totalitarian.</quote> Except that isn't what happens here. They respect their beliefs. It's their actions that are the problem.</quote> Nope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/20/18 11:00:28 AM #120:	PleaseClap posted... Do you guys ever wonder what CE wouldve been like if it was around during the civil rights movement? I would have been consistent with my views. I would have supported the right for businesses to do what they want, and thus would be very vocal in my opposition to the Jim Crow laws that forced businesses to do things they didn't want to do. Thus, I would have been very supportive of the Civil Rights movement. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914442503] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote>Do you guys ever wonder what CE wouldve been like if it was around during the civil rights movement?</quote> I would have been consistent with my views. I would have supported the right for businesses to do what they want, and thus would be very vocal in my opposition to the Jim Crow laws that forced businesses to do things they didn't want to do. Thus, I would have been very supportive of the Civil Rights movement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SchoolForAnts 12/20/18 11:00:42 AM #121:	The cake bigot will do his thing. If people want to teach him a lesson, break him with pressure. Have black people ask for happy Kwanzaa cakes. Happy wakanda day cakes with the face of tchallah. Happy eid mubarak cakes. A cake with a sombrero drawing saying happy 5 de Mayo, a cake saying happy Mexican Independence Day Pedro, etc . Happy visa day, Vishnu cakes, you name it. Make this guys bakery the official intermarriage cake shop, where cakes that say happy marriage are requested and the picture of a black man and a white woman are to be inserted on the cake. At some point he will start refusing to sell cakes to interracial couples, or minorities or foreign holiday cakes, and it will be beautiful. He will win all the court cases maybe simply because were in the MAGA era, but he will be sunk in so many lawsuits he will live pissed off lol <cite>SchoolForAnts posted [p:914442512] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>The cake bigot will do his thing. If people want to teach him a lesson, break him with pressure. Have black people ask for happy Kwanzaa cakes. Happy wakanda day cakes with the face of tchallah. Happy eid mubarak cakes. A cake with a sombrero drawing saying happy 5 de Mayo, a cake saying happy Mexican Independence Day Pedro, etc . Happy visa day, Vishnu cakes, you name it. Make this guys bakery the official intermarriage cake shop, where cakes that say happy marriage are requested and the picture of a black man and a white woman are to be inserted on the cake. At some point he will start refusing to sell cakes to interracial couples, or minorities or foreign holiday cakes, and it will be beautiful. He will win all the court cases maybe simply because were in the MAGA era, but he will be sunk in so many lawsuits he will live pissed off lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
artowen74 12/20/18 11:01:20 AM #122:	andel posted... there isn't even any biblical basis to discriminate against trans people. it isnt legitimate for them to discriminate against gay people either but in this scenario they can't even point to any biblical scripture that says anything against trans people so him claiming religion here is even more bullshit than before It could easily be said that transgender-ism is akin to homosexuality, which there are numerous biblical texts that speak against. Also one could easily argue that having a surgeon turn you into the opposite of how God created you is sinful. --- Now Playing: AC:Odyssey/Diablo 3:U.E.E./Spider-Man/Hopping back and forth between 50+ Indies, lol. RIP Hiroki Tobias; you're loved. :( <cite>artowen74 posted [p:914442545] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote>there isn't even any biblical basis to discriminate against trans people. it isnt legitimate for them to discriminate against gay people either but in this scenario they can't even point to any biblical scripture that says anything against trans people so him claiming religion here is even more bullshit than before</quote> It could easily be said that transgender-ism is akin to homosexuality, which there are numerous biblical texts that speak against. Also one could easily argue that having a surgeon turn you into the opposite of how God created you is sinful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:02:07 AM #123:	Paragon21XX posted... OctilIery posted... Paragon21XX posted... OctilIery posted... Paragon21XX posted... This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism. "You can't discriminate" isn't totalitarianism. "Instead of respecting your beliefs, I'm going to make sure you are hit over and over again with fines until you are either our ideological puppet or your life is permanently ruined" is totalitarian. Except that isn't what happens here. They respect their beliefs. It's their actions that are the problem. Nope. Thank you for admitting you were wrong, you can leave now :) <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914442580] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote> This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism. </quote> "You can't discriminate" isn't totalitarianism. </quote> "Instead of respecting your beliefs, I'm going to make sure you are hit over and over again with fines until you are either our ideological puppet or your life is permanently ruined" is totalitarian.</quote> Except that isn't what happens here. They respect their beliefs. It's their actions that are the problem.</quote> Nope.</quote> Thank you for admitting you were wrong, you can leave now :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/20/18 11:03:03 AM #124:	OctilIery posted... Keep trying kid. Punishing them for illegal actions isn't bigotry :) I like how I post definitions and make well-detailed arguments, and all you can keep saying over and over is "nope". What's your deal, man? Everything okay? You literally haven't made any arguments. It's like you're just repeating stuff you hear other people say. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914442634] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Keep trying kid. Punishing them for illegal actions isn't bigotry :)</quote> I like how I post definitions and make well-detailed arguments, and all you can keep saying over and over is "nope". What's your deal, man? Everything okay? You literally haven't made any arguments. It's like you're just repeating stuff you hear other people say.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 12/20/18 11:03:11 AM #125:	Imagine if people put this energy into attacking Wally World or Amazon for their misdeeds. Maybe we could actually get somewhere. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 21; PiO ATTN: 5 RotM wins 1, https://i.imgtc.com/Ejs0WrG.jpg <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:914442643] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Imagine if people put this energy into attacking Wally World or Amazon for their misdeeds. Maybe we could actually get somewhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
artowen74 12/20/18 11:03:16 AM #126:	SchoolForAnts posted... The cake bigot will do his thing. If people want to teach him a lesson, break him with pressure. Have black people ask for happy Kwanzaa cakes. Happy wakanda day cakes with the face of tchallah. Happy eid mubarak cakes. A cake with a sombrero drawing saying happy 5 de Mayo, a cake saying happy Mexican Independence Day Pedro, etc . Happy visa day, Vishnu cakes, you name it. Make this guys bakery the official intermarriage cake shop, where cakes that say happy marriage are requested and the picture of a black man and a white woman are to be inserted on the cake. At some point he will start refusing to sell cakes to interracial couples, or minorities or foreign holiday cakes, and it will be beautiful. He will win all the court cases maybe simply because were in the MAGA era, but he will be sunk in so many lawsuits he will live pissed off lol Yeah, cuz SJW pressure is their most powerful weapon AKA force to conform. --- Now Playing: AC:Odyssey/Diablo 3:U.E.E./Spider-Man/Hopping back and forth between 50+ Indies, lol. RIP Hiroki Tobias; you're loved. :( <cite>artowen74 posted [p:914442648] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote>The cake bigot will do his thing. If people want to teach him a lesson, break him with pressure. Have black people ask for happy Kwanzaa cakes. Happy wakanda day cakes with the face of tchallah. Happy eid mubarak cakes. A cake with a sombrero drawing saying happy 5 de Mayo, a cake saying happy Mexican Independence Day Pedro, etc . Happy visa day, Vishnu cakes, you name it. Make this guys bakery the official intermarriage cake shop, where cakes that say happy marriage are requested and the picture of a black man and a white woman are to be inserted on the cake. At some point he will start refusing to sell cakes to interracial couples, or minorities or foreign holiday cakes, and it will be beautiful. He will win all the court cases maybe simply because were in the MAGA era, but he will be sunk in so many lawsuits he will live pissed off lol</quote> Yeah, cuz SJW pressure is their most powerful weapon AKA force to conform.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:03:51 AM #127:	SchoolForAnts posted... The cake bigot will do his thing. If people want to teach him a lesson, break him with pressure. Have black people ask for happy Kwanzaa cakes. Happy wakanda day cakes with the face of tchallah. Happy eid mubarak cakes. A cake with a sombrero drawing saying happy 5 de Mayo, a cake saying happy Mexican Independence Day Pedro, etc . Happy visa day, Vishnu cakes, you name it. Make this guys bakery the official intermarriage cake shop, where cakes that say happy marriage are requested and the picture of a black man and a white woman are to be inserted on the cake. At some point he will start refusing to sell cakes to interracial couples, or minorities or foreign holiday cakes, and it will be beautiful. He will win all the court cases maybe simply because were in the MAGA era, but he will be sunk in so many lawsuits he will live pissed off lol Minor nitpick: For it to be considered discrimination, avoid worded cakes. They could easily say "I wouldn't write that for anyone", and win the case. It's when they refuse a cake they WOULD make for someone else that they are discriminating. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914442681] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>SchoolForAnts posted...</cite> <quote>The cake bigot will do his thing. If people want to teach him a lesson, break him with pressure. Have black people ask for happy Kwanzaa cakes. Happy wakanda day cakes with the face of tchallah. Happy eid mubarak cakes. A cake with a sombrero drawing saying happy 5 de Mayo, a cake saying happy Mexican Independence Day Pedro, etc . Happy visa day, Vishnu cakes, you name it. Make this guys bakery the official intermarriage cake shop, where cakes that say happy marriage are requested and the picture of a black man and a white woman are to be inserted on the cake. At some point he will start refusing to sell cakes to interracial couples, or minorities or foreign holiday cakes, and it will be beautiful. He will win all the court cases maybe simply because were in the MAGA era, but he will be sunk in so many lawsuits he will live pissed off lol</quote> Minor nitpick: For it to be considered discrimination, avoid worded cakes. They could easily say "I wouldn't write that for anyone", and win the case. It's when they refuse a cake they WOULD make for someone else that they are discriminating.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trelve 12/20/18 11:04:03 AM #128:	Is there only one cake shop in Colorado? Just go somewhere else, it's not hard. <cite>Trelve posted [p:914442698] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Is there only one cake shop in Colorado? Just go somewhere else, it's not hard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 12/20/18 11:04:07 AM #129:	Yikes, get a cake elsewhere wtf lol <cite>Romes187 posted [p:914442703] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Yikes, get a cake elsewhere wtf lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 12/20/18 11:04:36 AM #130:	Wait nm we need big daddy govt to ensure we get our baked sweets <cite>Romes187 posted [p:914442726] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Wait nm we need big daddy govt to ensure we get our baked sweets</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:04:47 AM #131:	HenryAllbright posted... OctilIery posted... Keep trying kid. Punishing them for illegal actions isn't bigotry :) I like how I post definitions and make well-detailed arguments, and all you can keep saying over and over is "nope". What's your deal, man? Everything okay? You literally haven't made any arguments. It's like you're just repeating stuff you hear other people say. You're a literal bigot arguing for the right to discriminate with no real argument and no foot to stand on. In what world should I ever treat you like anything more than the joke you are? <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914442731] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Keep trying kid. Punishing them for illegal actions isn't bigotry :)</quote> I like how I post definitions and make well-detailed arguments, and all you can keep saying over and over is "nope". What's your deal, man? Everything okay? You literally haven't made any arguments. It's like you're just repeating stuff you hear other people say.</quote> You're a literal bigot arguing for the right to discriminate with no real argument and no foot to stand on. In what world should I ever treat you like anything more than the joke you are?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoubleDare 12/20/18 11:04:50 AM #132:	I mean, I'd make them a cake with no writing on it, and make it lousy on purpose. (But not too obviously lousy) --- On Your Mark...Get Set........GO!!!!!! <cite>DoubleDare posted [p:914442734] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>I mean, I'd make them a cake with no writing on it, and make it lousy on purpose. (But not too obviously lousy)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iClockwork 12/20/18 11:05:31 AM #133:	OctilIery posted... iClockwork posted... OctilIery posted... iClockwork posted... Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer. Nope. Sorry buddy but but federal laws disagrees with your opinion. Actually, they don't. Federal laws say you have a right to refusal, but there are specific things you can't refuse for. State laws also have additional things you can't refuse for. Actually yes they do. You can refuse to serve someone even if theyre in a protected group, but the refusal cant be arbitrary and you cant apply it to just one group of people. To avoid being arbitrary, there must be a reason for refusing service and you must be consistent. As is the case in Colorado. They beat this case once and the same business will beat it again. Sorry that you can't accept this fact and will shake in rage upon them being cleared of any wrong doing. NPC's gonna NPC though I suppose. <cite>iClockwork posted [p:914442764] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer.</quote> Nope.</quote> Sorry buddy but but federal laws disagrees with your opinion.</quote> Actually, they don't. Federal laws say you have a right to refusal, but there are specific things you can't refuse for. State laws also have additional things you can't refuse for.</quote> Actually yes they do. You can refuse to serve someone even if theyre in a protected group, but the refusal cant be arbitrary and you cant apply it to just one group of people. To avoid being arbitrary, there must be a reason for refusing service and you must be consistent. As is the case in Colorado. They beat this case once and the same business will beat it again. Sorry that you can't accept this fact and will shake in rage upon them being cleared of any wrong doing. NPC's gonna NPC though I suppose.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:05:51 AM #134:	Trelve posted... Is there only one cake shop in Colorado? Just go somewhere else, it's not hard. Why should they have to? What if they particularly want the skills of someone there, or if they live in an area where everyone discriminates? <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914442777] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Trelve posted...</cite> <quote>Is there only one cake shop in Colorado? Just go somewhere else, it's not hard.</quote> Why should they have to? What if they particularly want the skills of someone there, or if they live in an area where everyone discriminates?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/20/18 11:06:05 AM #135:	Trelve posted... Is there only one cake shop in Colorado? Just go somewhere else, it's not hard. Romes187 posted... Yikes, get a cake elsewhere wtf lol And this is another point, too. What are we really fighting for at this point? And are the costs worth it? --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914442782] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Trelve posted...</cite> <quote>Is there only one cake shop in Colorado? Just go somewhere else, it's not hard.</quote> <cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>Yikes, get a cake elsewhere wtf lol</quote> And this is another point, too. What are we really fighting for at this point? And are the costs worth it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nepsy 12/20/18 11:06:14 AM #136:	Foaming at the maw over these bakers jfc --- Megadimension Neptunia VII - http://error1355.com/ce/Nepsy.html http://img.gamefaqs.net/box/6/8/2/584682_front.jpg <cite>Nepsy posted [p:914442795] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Foaming at the maw over these bakers jfc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:06:38 AM #137:	iClockwork posted... Actually yes they do. You can refuse to serve someone even if theyre in a protected group, but the refusal cant be arbitrary and you cant apply it to just one group of people. Not what happened here, so irrelevant. Stay on topic. iClockwork posted... They beat this case once and the same business will beat it again. They didn't beat it. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914442819] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>Actually yes they do. You can refuse to serve someone even if theyre in a protected group, but the refusal cant be arbitrary and you cant apply it to just one group of people.</quote> Not what happened here, so irrelevant. Stay on topic. <cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>They beat this case once and the same business will beat it again. </quote> They didn't beat it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 12/20/18 11:07:14 AM #138:	HenryAllbright posted... Trelve posted... Is there only one cake shop in Colorado? Just go somewhere else, it's not hard. Romes187 posted... Yikes, get a cake elsewhere wtf lol And this is another point, too. What are we really fighting for at this point? And are the costs worth it? No, you see baked goods are literally what define us as people and if we cant get them, its a tragedy Weve lost it <cite>Romes187 posted [p:914442843] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Trelve posted...</cite> <quote>Is there only one cake shop in Colorado? Just go somewhere else, it's not hard.</quote> <cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>Yikes, get a cake elsewhere wtf lol</quote> And this is another point, too. What are we really fighting for at this point? And are the costs worth it?</quote> No, you see baked goods are literally what define us as people and if we cant get them, its a tragedy Weve lost it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 12/20/18 11:10:20 AM #139:	OctilIery posted... Paragon21XX posted... OctilIery posted... Paragon21XX posted... OctilIery posted... Paragon21XX posted... This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism. "You can't discriminate" isn't totalitarianism. "Instead of respecting your beliefs, I'm going to make sure you are hit over and over again with fines until you are either our ideological puppet or your life is permanently ruined" is totalitarian. Except that isn't what happens here. They respect their beliefs. It's their actions that are the problem. Nope. I'm sorry. You're right. I was wrong. I will leave now and go on a soul-searching trip :) Your apology is accepted. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:914442965] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote> This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism. </quote> "You can't discriminate" isn't totalitarianism. </quote> "Instead of respecting your beliefs, I'm going to make sure you are hit over and over again with fines until you are either our ideological puppet or your life is permanently ruined" is totalitarian. </quote> Except that isn't what happens here. They respect their beliefs. It's their actions that are the problem. </quote> Nope.</quote> I'm sorry. You're right. I was wrong. I will leave now and go on a soul-searching trip :)</quote> Your apology is accepted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:11:22 AM #140:	Paragon21XX posted... OctilIery posted... Paragon21XX posted... OctilIery posted... Paragon21XX posted... OctilIery posted... Paragon21XX posted... This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism. "You can't discriminate" isn't totalitarianism. "Instead of respecting your beliefs, I'm going to make sure you are hit over and over again with fines until you are either our ideological puppet or your life is permanently ruined" is totalitarian. Except that isn't what happens here. They respect their beliefs. It's their actions that are the problem. Nope. I'm sorry. You're right. I was wrong. I will leave now and go on a soul-searching trip :) Your apology is accepted. Bye now :) <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914443001] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote> This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism. </quote> "You can't discriminate" isn't totalitarianism. </quote> "Instead of respecting your beliefs, I'm going to make sure you are hit over and over again with fines until you are either our ideological puppet or your life is permanently ruined" is totalitarian. </quote> Except that isn't what happens here. They respect their beliefs. It's their actions that are the problem. </quote> Nope.</quote> I'm sorry. You're right. I was wrong. I will leave now and go on a soul-searching trip :)</quote> Your apology is accepted.</quote> Bye now :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 12/20/18 11:11:56 AM #141:	At least people make it easy for the rest of us to know which of them are just bigots that would have likely denied many other groups with rights now, said rights, back in the day. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:914443019] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>At least people make it easy for the rest of us to know which of them are just bigots that would have likely denied many other groups with rights now, said rights, back in the day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
artowen74 12/20/18 11:14:07 AM #142:	OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... Mr_Karate_II posted... Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs? Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not? And where is that happening? Nice try, we both know damn well that it happens everyday, I also know where you're trying to go with this. If one feels that they are a cat and not a human, getting whiskers, pointy ears, a tail, stripes, slitted pupils, and pointy teeth grafted onto their body does NOT make them a cat. And on top of that they get pissed when folks address them as sir or madam instead of kitty kitty or puss post surgery. --- Now Playing: AC:Odyssey/Diablo 3:U.E.E./Spider-Man/Hopping back and forth between 50+ Indies, lol. RIP Hiroki Tobias; you're loved. :( <cite>artowen74 posted [p:914443114] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?</quote> Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not?</quote> And where is that happening?</quote> Nice try, we both know damn well that it happens everyday, I also know where you're trying to go with this. If one feels that they are a cat and not a human, getting whiskers, pointy ears, a tail, stripes, slitted pupils, and pointy teeth grafted onto their body does NOT make them a cat. And on top of that they get pissed when folks address them as sir or madam instead of kitty kitty or puss post surgery.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:15:38 AM #143:	artowen74 posted... OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... Mr_Karate_II posted... Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs? Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not? And where is that happening? Nice try, we both know damn well that it happens everyday, I also know where you're trying to go with this. If one feels that they are a cat and not a human, getting whiskers, pointy ears, a tail, stripes, slitted pupils, and pointy teeth grafted onto their body does NOT make them a cat. And on top of that they get pissed when folks address them as sir or madam instead of kitty kitty or puss post surgery. Except nobody is doing that. They're getting surgeries so their body matches their actual gender. But keep trying, you're just showing your own ignorance and bigotry. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914443187] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?</quote> Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not?</quote> And where is that happening?</quote> Nice try, we both know damn well that it happens everyday, I also know where you're trying to go with this. If one feels that they are a cat and not a human, getting whiskers, pointy ears, a tail, stripes, slitted pupils, and pointy teeth grafted onto their body does NOT make them a cat. And on top of that they get pissed when folks address them as sir or madam instead of kitty kitty or puss post surgery.</quote> Except nobody is doing that. They're getting surgeries so their body matches their actual gender. But keep trying, you're just showing your own ignorance and bigotry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 12/20/18 11:16:03 AM #144:	voldothegr8 posted... eston posted... voldothegr8 posted... Why do liberals feel the need to force their believes upon the baker? This all started because someone tried to buy a cake from someone who makes cakes Not the point. People call foul for the baker "forcing his beliefs" when that's exactly what these crazies are trying to do to him when they could easily go to the next cake shop and ignore the bigot. The only thing they're trying to force him to do is comply with the law. They aren't trying to change his religious beliefs. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:914443204] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do liberals feel the need to force their believes upon the baker?</quote> This all started because someone tried to buy a cake from someone who makes cakes</quote> Not the point. People call foul for the baker "forcing his beliefs" when that's exactly what these crazies are trying to do to him when they could easily go to the next cake shop and ignore the bigot.</quote> The only thing they're trying to force him to do is comply with the law. They aren't trying to change his religious beliefs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/20/18 11:16:34 AM #145:	OctilIery posted... Trelve posted... Is there only one cake shop in Colorado? Just go somewhere else, it's not hard. Why should they have to? Why should the baker have to make the cake? Who's preferences are higher order and why? Why is one person more important than another? To me, they are equal: "I want you to do this for me." "I will not do this for you." It's a stalemate. And come on, we aren't living in a society where discrimination is running rampant. Businesses want money. But there are a select few exceptions, such as very small % of bakeries, who find themselves at odds with their views based on the type of customers they get and what their goods are used for. The question is...why can't we just accept the difference in opinion and let a very small % of bakeries and other non-essential, rarely used service businesses do their thing? Is it really so hard to live in a society where a gay or trans person can't purchase an unessential item or service that they're only going to purchase probably once in their entire life from one particular bakery in their city? Why do people want bakers like this to have more money anyway? "I hate this man! He won't take my money!"...it's like...the baker is already making a sacrifice by declining revenue and exposing himself to judgment which can hurt further sales. Why should we punish him further when he's already making sacrifices? These are questions that need to be answered in detail. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914443220] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Trelve posted...</cite> <quote>Is there only one cake shop in Colorado? Just go somewhere else, it's not hard.</quote> Why should they have to?</quote> Why should the baker have to make the cake? Who's preferences are higher order and why? Why is one person more important than another? To me, they are equal: "I want you to do this for me." "I will not do this for you." It's a stalemate. And come on, we aren't living in a society where discrimination is running rampant. Businesses want money. But there are a select few exceptions, such as very small % of bakeries, who find themselves at odds with their views based on the type of customers they get and what their goods are used for. The question is...why can't we just accept the difference in opinion and let a very small % of bakeries and other non-essential, rarely used service businesses do their thing? Is it really so hard to live in a society where a gay or trans person can't purchase an unessential item or service that they're only going to purchase probably once in their entire life from one particular bakery in their city? Why do people want bakers like this to have more money anyway? "I hate this man! He won't take my money!"...it's like...the baker is already making a sacrifice by declining revenue and exposing himself to judgment which can hurt further sales. Why should we punish him further when he's already making sacrifices? These are questions that need to be answered in detail.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:17:04 AM #146:	eston posted... voldothegr8 posted... eston posted... voldothegr8 posted... Why do liberals feel the need to force their believes upon the baker? This all started because someone tried to buy a cake from someone who makes cakes Not the point. People call foul for the baker "forcing his beliefs" when that's exactly what these crazies are trying to do to him when they could easily go to the next cake shop and ignore the bigot. The only thing they're trying to force him to do is comply with the law. They aren't trying to change his religious beliefs. This, if he made them the cake and the whole time spewed his bigotry at them, there wouldn't be a problem, but when you run a business, you have to offer the service equally to everyone. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914443243] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do liberals feel the need to force their believes upon the baker?</quote> This all started because someone tried to buy a cake from someone who makes cakes</quote> Not the point. People call foul for the baker "forcing his beliefs" when that's exactly what these crazies are trying to do to him when they could easily go to the next cake shop and ignore the bigot.</quote> The only thing they're trying to force him to do is comply with the law. They aren't trying to change his religious beliefs.</quote> This, if he made them the cake and the whole time spewed his bigotry at them, there wouldn't be a problem, but when you run a business, you have to offer the service equally to everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:18:07 AM #147:	HenryAllbright posted... Why should the baker have to make the cake? Because laws are in place saying so to protect people from discrimination. HenryAllbright posted... Why is one person more important than another? Because the baker isn't getting harmed by having to make the cake, and has no real justification for harming the customers he refuses. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914443296] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>Why should the baker have to make the cake?</quote> Because laws are in place saying so to protect people from discrimination. <cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>Why is one person more important than another? </quote> Because the baker isn't getting harmed by having to make the cake, and has no real justification for harming the customers he refuses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iClockwork 12/20/18 11:18:16 AM #148:	OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... Mr_Karate_II posted... Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs? Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not? And where is that happening? Nice try, we both know damn well that it happens everyday, I also know where you're trying to go with this. If one feels that they are a cat and not a human, getting whiskers, pointy ears, a tail, stripes, slitted pupils, and pointy teeth grafted onto their body does NOT make them a cat. And on top of that they get pissed when folks address them as sir or madam instead of kitty kitty or puss post surgery. Except nobody is doing that. They're getting surgeries so their body matches their actual gender. But keep trying, you're just showing your own ignorance and bigotry. Where is the line between gender and species? Oh you're born a man? It's ok you can be a Woman. Oh you're born a human? It's ok you can be a Felis silvestris catus. <cite>iClockwork posted [p:914443302] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?</quote> Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not?</quote> And where is that happening?</quote> Nice try, we both know damn well that it happens everyday, I also know where you're trying to go with this. If one feels that they are a cat and not a human, getting whiskers, pointy ears, a tail, stripes, slitted pupils, and pointy teeth grafted onto their body does NOT make them a cat. And on top of that they get pissed when folks address them as sir or madam instead of kitty kitty or puss post surgery.</quote> Except nobody is doing that. They're getting surgeries so their body matches their actual gender. But keep trying, you're just showing your own ignorance and bigotry.</quote> Where is the line between gender and species? Oh you're born a man? It's ok you can be a Woman. Oh you're born a human? It's ok you can be a Felis silvestris catus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 12/20/18 11:18:51 AM #149:	artowen74 posted... OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... Mr_Karate_II posted... Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs? Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not? And where is that happening? Nice try, we both know damn well that it happens everyday, I also know where you're trying to go with this. If one feels that they are a cat and not a human, getting whiskers, pointy ears, a tail, stripes, slitted pupils, and pointy teeth grafted onto their body does NOT make them a cat. And on top of that they get pissed when folks address them as sir or madam instead of kitty kitty or puss post surgery. Are a lot of people having this mythical human to cat surgery? Where can I read up on the science of it? Got any journals? --- Please <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:914443333] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?</quote> Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not?</quote> And where is that happening?</quote> Nice try, we both know damn well that it happens everyday, I also know where you're trying to go with this. If one feels that they are a cat and not a human, getting whiskers, pointy ears, a tail, stripes, slitted pupils, and pointy teeth grafted onto their body does NOT make them a cat. And on top of that they get pissed when folks address them as sir or madam instead of kitty kitty or puss post surgery.</quote> Are a lot of people having this mythical human to cat surgery? Where can I read up on the science of it? Got any journals?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:18:57 AM #150:	iClockwork posted... Where is the line between gender and species? This is legitimately the stupidest question I've ever seen posted on here. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914443336] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>Where is the line between gender and species?</quote> This is legitimately the stupidest question I've ever seen posted on here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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