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HenryAllbright 12/20/18 11:19:02 AM #151:	And remember, the law is what's in question here hence why it's going to court. So anyone who uses the law as rationale for their argument (applies to both sides) isn't making a meaningful argument. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914443337] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>And remember, the law is what's in question here hence why it's going to court. So anyone who uses the law as rationale for their argument (applies to both sides) isn't making a meaningful argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rhklce 12/20/18 11:19:38 AM #152:	OctilIery posted... when you run a business, you have to offer the service equally to everyone. Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to any person for any reason, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class. At the national level, protected classes include: Race or color. <cite>rhklce posted [p:914443369] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>when you run a business, you have to offer the service equally to everyone.</quote> Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to any person for any reason, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class. At the national level, protected classes include: Race or color.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 12/20/18 11:20:19 AM #153:	OctilIery posted... This, if he made them the cake and the whole time spewed his bigotry at them, there wouldn't be a problem I'm fairly certain that would still be a problem --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:914443396] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>This, if he made them the cake and the whole time spewed his bigotry at them, there wouldn't be a problem</quote> I'm fairly certain that would still be a problem</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iClockwork 12/20/18 11:20:36 AM #154:	OctilIery posted... iClockwork posted... Where is the line between gender and species? This is legitimately the stupidest question I've ever seen posted on here. Only because you can't answer it. <cite>iClockwork posted [p:914443413] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>Where is the line between gender and species?</quote> This is legitimately the stupidest question I've ever seen posted on here.</quote> Only because you can't answer it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 12/20/18 11:20:45 AM #155:	Why do the same people who disparage transgenders believe in a magic man in the sky and vice versa? --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:914443420] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Why do the same people who disparage transgenders believe in a magic man in the sky and vice versa?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:21:19 AM #156:	HenryAllbright posted... And remember, the law is what's in question here hence why it's going to court. So anyone who uses the law as rationale for their argument (applies to both sides) isn't making a meaningful argument. No, we are, because there's no actual question whether the law is good or not. rhklce posted... OctilIery posted... when you run a business, you have to offer the service equally to everyone. Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to any person for any reason, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class. At the national level, protected classes include: Race or color. And gender, and sexual orientation, and age. And there are also added protections at state level. Try again. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914443446] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>And remember, the law is what's in question here hence why it's going to court. So anyone who uses the law as rationale for their argument (applies to both sides) isn't making a meaningful argument.</quote> No, we are, because there's no actual question whether the law is good or not. <cite>rhklce posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>when you run a business, you have to offer the service equally to everyone.</quote> Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to any person for any reason, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class. At the national level, protected classes include: Race or color.</quote> And gender, and sexual orientation, and age. And there are also added protections at state level. Try again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:21:42 AM #157:	eston posted... OctilIery posted... This, if he made them the cake and the whole time spewed his bigotry at them, there wouldn't be a problem I'm fairly certain that would still be a problem Well, yes, but not a legal one. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914443463] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>This, if he made them the cake and the whole time spewed his bigotry at them, there wouldn't be a problem</quote> I'm fairly certain that would still be a problem</quote> Well, yes, but not a legal one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
artowen74 12/20/18 11:22:25 AM #158:	OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... Mr_Karate_II posted... Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs? Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not? And where is that happening? Nice try, we both know damn well that it happens everyday, I also know where you're trying to go with this. If one feels that they are a cat and not a human, getting whiskers, pointy ears, a tail, stripes, slitted pupils, and pointy teeth grafted onto their body does NOT make them a cat. And on top of that they get pissed when folks address them as sir or madam instead of kitty kitty or puss post surgery. Except nobody is doing that. They're getting surgeries so their body matches their actual gender. But keep trying, you're just showing your own ignorance and bigotry. Big difference between true gender and gender identity; please stop trying, your 'arguments,' are pathetically weak and lacking. You're just showing your ignorance by continually dropping the term bigot to everyone on this board. It's a very weak crutch that you're using to support the total lack of anything worthwhile to contribute. "But, but, but, (oh screw it,) you're just a bigot." --- Now Playing: AC:Odyssey/Diablo 3:U.E.E./Spider-Man/Hopping back and forth between 50+ Indies, lol. RIP Hiroki Tobias; you're loved. :( <cite>artowen74 posted [p:914443493] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?</quote> Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not?</quote> And where is that happening?</quote> Nice try, we both know damn well that it happens everyday, I also know where you're trying to go with this. If one feels that they are a cat and not a human, getting whiskers, pointy ears, a tail, stripes, slitted pupils, and pointy teeth grafted onto their body does NOT make them a cat. And on top of that they get pissed when folks address them as sir or madam instead of kitty kitty or puss post surgery.</quote> Except nobody is doing that. They're getting surgeries so their body matches their actual gender. But keep trying, you're just showing your own ignorance and bigotry.</quote> Big difference between true gender and gender identity; please stop trying, your 'arguments,' are pathetically weak and lacking. You're just showing your ignorance by continually dropping the term bigot to everyone on this board. It's a very weak crutch that you're using to support the total lack of anything worthwhile to contribute. "But, but, but, (oh screw it,) you're just a bigot."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 12/20/18 11:22:43 AM #159:	artowen74 posted... andel posted... there isn't even any biblical basis to discriminate against trans people. it isnt legitimate for them to discriminate against gay people either but in this scenario they can't even point to any biblical scripture that says anything against trans people so him claiming religion here is even more bullshit than before It could easily be said that transgender-ism is akin to homosexuality, which there are numerous biblical texts that speak against. Also one could easily argue that having a surgeon turn you into the opposite of how God created you is sinful. nah, that isnt a valid argument based on scripture. anyone can infer anything they want from any text but what you are trying to claim just isnt there --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:914443508] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote>there isn't even any biblical basis to discriminate against trans people. it isnt legitimate for them to discriminate against gay people either but in this scenario they can't even point to any biblical scripture that says anything against trans people so him claiming religion here is even more bullshit than before</quote> It could easily be said that transgender-ism is akin to homosexuality, which there are numerous biblical texts that speak against. Also one could easily argue that having a surgeon turn you into the opposite of how God created you is sinful.</quote> nah, that isnt a valid argument based on scripture. anyone can infer anything they want from any text but what you are trying to claim just isnt there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/20/18 11:23:37 AM #160:	OctilIery posted... HenryAllbright posted... Why should the baker have to make the cake? Because laws are in place saying so to protect people from discrimination. HenryAllbright posted... Why is one person more important than another? Because the baker isn't getting harmed by having to make the cake, and has no real justification for harming the customers he refuses. Okay, you just referenced the law. The law is what's in question here, hence why it's going to court. So that really isn't a meaningful argument we can use here, especially considering the fact that we are discussing the issue itself and whether or not it should be legal (again, hence why it's going to court) in a general sense. If the baker isn't getting harmed by making the cake, then the person asking for the cake isn't getting harmed by not having it made. You can't say "it's just a cake" out of one side of your mouth while saying "this cake is so important that it can literally hurt people" out of the other. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914443547] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>Why should the baker have to make the cake?</quote> Because laws are in place saying so to protect people from discrimination. <cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>Why is one person more important than another? </quote> Because the baker isn't getting harmed by having to make the cake, and has no real justification for harming the customers he refuses.</quote> Okay, you just referenced the law. The law is what's in question here, hence why it's going to court. So that really isn't a meaningful argument we can use here, especially considering the fact that we are discussing the issue itself and whether or not it should be legal (again, hence why it's going to court) in a general sense. If the baker isn't getting harmed by making the cake, then the person asking for the cake isn't getting harmed by not having it made. You can't say "it's just a cake" out of one side of your mouth while saying "this cake is so important that it can literally hurt people" out of the other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:24:56 AM #161:	artowen74 posted... Big difference between true gender and gender identity Nope. They are the same thing. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914443623] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote>Big difference between true gender and gender identity</quote> Nope. They are the same thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:25:31 AM #162:	HenryAllbright posted... The law is what's in question here No, it isn't. There's no question. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914443662] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>The law is what's in question here</quote> No, it isn't. There's no question.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iClockwork 12/20/18 11:26:11 AM #163:	OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... Big difference between true gender and gender identity Nope. They are the same thing. LOL <cite>iClockwork posted [p:914443695] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote>Big difference between true gender and gender identity</quote> Nope. They are the same thing.</quote> LOL</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:27:04 AM #164:	HenryAllbright posted... If the baker isn't getting harmed by making the cake, then the person asking for the cake isn't getting harmed by not having it made. You can't say "it's just a cake" out of one side of your mouth while saying "this cake is so important that it can literally hurt people" out of the other. Wrong. The baker isn't getting harmed because he's doing what he does for any number of other people, and where the cake is used doesn't effect him, and he's getting paid for it as per his own business standards. The customer IS getting harmed because they're forced to find another bakery, potentially having to go out of their way or accept lesser quality, because of something completely harmless about them. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914443748] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>If the baker isn't getting harmed by making the cake, then the person asking for the cake isn't getting harmed by not having it made. You can't say "it's just a cake" out of one side of your mouth while saying "this cake is so important that it can literally hurt people" out of the other.</quote> Wrong. The baker isn't getting harmed because he's doing what he does for any number of other people, and where the cake is used doesn't effect him, and he's getting paid for it as per his own business standards. The customer IS getting harmed because they're forced to find another bakery, potentially having to go out of their way or accept lesser quality, because of something completely harmless about them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/20/18 11:27:37 AM #165:	Well, there you have it folks....he said "nope" like 50 times. That means he wins the debate. I'm packing up my things and going home now. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914443772] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Well, there you have it folks....he said "nope" like 50 times. That means he wins the debate. I'm packing up my things and going home now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
artowen74 12/20/18 11:28:49 AM #166:	andel posted... artowen74 posted... andel posted... there isn't even any biblical basis to discriminate against trans people. it isnt legitimate for them to discriminate against gay people either but in this scenario they can't even point to any biblical scripture that says anything against trans people so him claiming religion here is even more bullshit than before It could easily be said that transgender-ism is akin to homosexuality, which there are numerous biblical texts that speak against. Also one could easily argue that having a surgeon turn you into the opposite of how God created you is sinful. nah, that isnt a valid argument based on scripture. anyone can infer anything they want from any text but what you are trying to claim just isnt there Sure is; Romans states that men lying down with other men is sinful. Having your penis removed and sculpting a vagina in it's place, then in turn lying with a man would still violate the 'laws,' that Romans stated. Not sure how this is difficult to wrap one's mind around tbqh. --- Now Playing: AC:Odyssey/Diablo 3:U.E.E./Spider-Man/Hopping back and forth between 50+ Indies, lol. RIP Hiroki Tobias; you're loved. :( <cite>artowen74 posted [p:914443841] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>andel posted...</cite> <quote>there isn't even any biblical basis to discriminate against trans people. it isnt legitimate for them to discriminate against gay people either but in this scenario they can't even point to any biblical scripture that says anything against trans people so him claiming religion here is even more bullshit than before</quote> It could easily be said that transgender-ism is akin to homosexuality, which there are numerous biblical texts that speak against. Also one could easily argue that having a surgeon turn you into the opposite of how God created you is sinful.</quote> nah, that isnt a valid argument based on scripture. anyone can infer anything they want from any text but what you are trying to claim just isnt there</quote> Sure is; Romans states that men lying down with other men is sinful. Having your penis removed and sculpting a vagina in it's place, then in turn lying with a man would still violate the 'laws,' that Romans stated. Not sure how this is difficult to wrap one's mind around tbqh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:29:17 AM #167:	iClockwork posted... OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... Big difference between true gender and gender identity Nope. They are the same thing. LOL I'd assume you know gender isn't biological, but given your earlier posts I wouldn't put anything past you. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914443866] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote>Big difference between true gender and gender identity</quote> Nope. They are the same thing.</quote> LOL</quote> I'd assume you know gender isn't biological, but given your earlier posts I wouldn't put anything past you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nick_Saban 12/20/18 11:29:19 AM #168:	The political left is basically just trying to brand everything they disagree with as some sort of horrible atrocity. The endgame isn't equality, it's the inability to be conservative without repercussions. --- Fat people in small amounts of clothing always makes me giggle.-SvenGeorgeson Then you must have loads of fun looking in a mirror.-LegendaryElite <cite>Nick_Saban posted [p:914443871] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>The political left is basically just trying to brand everything they disagree with as some sort of horrible atrocity. The endgame isn't equality, it's the inability to be conservative without repercussions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:30:15 AM #169:	HenryAllbright posted... Well, there you have it folks....he said "nope" like 50 times. That means he wins the debate. I'm packing up my things and going home now. OctilIery posted... You're a literal bigot arguing for the right to discriminate with no real argument and no foot to stand on. In what world should I ever treat you like anything more than the joke you are? <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914443923] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>Well, there you have it folks....he said "nope" like 50 times. That means he wins the debate. I'm packing up my things and going home now.</quote> <cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>You're a literal bigot arguing for the right to discriminate with no real argument and no foot to stand on. In what world should I ever treat you like anything more than the joke you are?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 12/20/18 11:30:38 AM #170:	Nick_Saban posted... The political left is basically just trying to brand everything they disagree with as some sort of horrible atrocity. The endgame isn't equality, it's the inability to be conservative without repercussions. Or we just want people to be treated fairly and equally over things they can't change. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:914443946] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nick_Saban posted...</cite> <quote>The political left is basically just trying to brand everything they disagree with as some sort of horrible atrocity. The endgame isn't equality, it's the inability to be conservative without repercussions.</quote> Or we just want people to be treated fairly and equally over things they can't change.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:30:46 AM #171:	Nick_Saban posted... The political left is basically just trying to brand everything they disagree with as some sort of horrible atrocity. The endgame isn't equality, it's the inability to be conservative without repercussions. Funny, I support a lot of conservatives when they aren't actively harming other people. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914443953] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nick_Saban posted...</cite> <quote>The political left is basically just trying to brand everything they disagree with as some sort of horrible atrocity. The endgame isn't equality, it's the inability to be conservative without repercussions.</quote> Funny, I support a lot of conservatives when they aren't actively harming other people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/20/18 11:31:12 AM #172:	OctilIery posted... The baker isn't getting harmed because he's doing what he does for any number of other people First off, your application of the word harm is terrible here. Have some perspective for crying out loud. Go live on the streets by yourself for a year and tell me what real danger and harm is. And second, you're completely ignoring the reason why the baker doesn't want to make the cake. You don't have to like his reason, and that's fine, but to pretend like it doesn't exist and therefore conclude that he isn't receiving harm? That's just...weird, dude. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914443975] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>The baker isn't getting harmed because he's doing what he does for any number of other people</quote> First off, your application of the word harm is terrible here. Have some perspective for crying out loud. Go live on the streets by yourself for a year and tell me what real danger and harm is. And second, you're completely ignoring the reason why the baker doesn't want to make the cake. You don't have to like his reason, and that's fine, but to pretend like it doesn't exist and therefore conclude that he isn't receiving harm? That's just...weird, dude.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:32:06 AM #173:	HenryAllbright posted... First off, your application of the word harm is terrible here. Nope. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914444015] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>First off, your application of the word harm is terrible here.</quote> Nope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iClockwork 12/20/18 11:32:16 AM #174:	OctilIery posted... iClockwork posted... OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... Big difference between true gender and gender identity Nope. They are the same thing. LOL I'd assume you know gender isn't biological, but given your earlier posts I wouldn't put anything past you. gender /jendr/Submit noun 1. the state of being male or female ~~LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL~~ <cite>iClockwork posted [p:914444024] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote>Big difference between true gender and gender identity</quote> Nope. They are the same thing.</quote> LOL</quote> I'd assume you know gender isn't biological, but given your earlier posts I wouldn't put anything past you.</quote> gender /jendr/Submit noun 1. the state of being male or female LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:33:17 AM #175:	iClockwork posted... OctilIery posted... iClockwork posted... OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... Big difference between true gender and gender identity Nope. They are the same thing. LOL I'd assume you know gender isn't biological, but given your earlier posts I wouldn't put anything past you. gender /jendr/Submit noun 1. the state of being male or female LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Yes, I'm sure a random internet search trumps all of modern science. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914444082] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote>Big difference between true gender and gender identity</quote> Nope. They are the same thing.</quote> LOL</quote> I'd assume you know gender isn't biological, but given your earlier posts I wouldn't put anything past you.</quote> gender /jendr/Submit noun 1. the state of being male or female LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL</quote> Yes, I'm sure a random internet search trumps all of modern science.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 12/20/18 11:33:25 AM #176:	iClockwork posted... OctilIery posted... iClockwork posted... OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... Big difference between true gender and gender identity Nope. They are the same thing. LOL I'd assume you know gender isn't biological, but given your earlier posts I wouldn't put anything past you. gender /jendr/Submit noun 1. the state of being male or female LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Are you going to post the rest of the definition or do I have to --- Please <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:914444087] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote>Big difference between true gender and gender identity</quote> Nope. They are the same thing.</quote> LOL</quote> I'd assume you know gender isn't biological, but given your earlier posts I wouldn't put anything past you.</quote> gender /jendr/Submit noun 1. the state of being male or female LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL</quote> Are you going to post the rest of the definition or do I have to</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/20/18 11:35:17 AM #177:	OctilIery posted... HenryAllbright posted... Well, there you have it folks....he said "nope" like 50 times. That means he wins the debate. I'm packing up my things and going home now. OctilIery posted... You're a literal bigot arguing for the right to discriminate with no real argument and no foot to stand on. In what world should I ever treat you like anything more than the joke you are? Now you're calling me a bigot? What the fuck? You don't even know anything about me. I wouldn't refuse to bake a cake for anyone. That's my choice, and I would hope others would respect my choice the same as I would respect their choice to be whoever they are or to not make a cake for people they don't want to make it for. That's how respect works. We apply it across all directions as generously as possible. Lead by example is the best way to lead. Also, where did so many people learn how to argue by just calling people names like racists, bigots, and other childish names? I see it so frequently and it's just so frustrating that nobody can have a honest, mature discussion about issues anymore because of it. Calling people names does absolutely nothing but make you look bad. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914444169] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>Well, there you have it folks....he said "nope" like 50 times. That means he wins the debate. I'm packing up my things and going home now.</quote> <cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>You're a literal bigot arguing for the right to discriminate with no real argument and no foot to stand on. In what world should I ever treat you like anything more than the joke you are?</quote></quote> Now you're calling me a bigot? What the fuck? You don't even know anything about me. I wouldn't refuse to bake a cake for anyone. That's my choice, and I would hope others would respect my choice the same as I would respect their choice to be whoever they are or to not make a cake for people they don't want to make it for. That's how respect works. We apply it across all directions as generously as possible. Lead by example is the best way to lead. Also, where did so many people learn how to argue by just calling people names like racists, bigots, and other childish names? I see it so frequently and it's just so frustrating that nobody can have a honest, mature discussion about issues anymore because of it. Calling people names does absolutely nothing but make you look bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
artowen74 12/20/18 11:35:29 AM #178:	OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... Big difference between true gender and gender identity Nope. They are the same thing. Now I truly feel bad for you; sorta like I used to feel bad for those kids in school that would add 2+2 and repeatedly come up with 9. All of the biased SJW beliefs in the world can/do not change how wrong you are. But hey you've clearly decided to stand by your views no matter how unintelligent they are, and for that, we're done here. Good day sir/madam/gender fluid person. --- Now Playing: AC:Odyssey/Diablo 3:U.E.E./Spider-Man/Hopping back and forth between 50+ Indies, lol. RIP Hiroki Tobias; you're loved. :( <cite>artowen74 posted [p:914444182] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote>Big difference between true gender and gender identity</quote> Nope. They are the same thing.</quote> Now I truly feel bad for you; sorta like I used to feel bad for those kids in school that would add 2+2 and repeatedly come up with 9. All of the biased SJW beliefs in the world can/do not change how wrong you are. But hey you've clearly decided to stand by your views no matter how unintelligent they are, and for that, we're done here. Good day sir/madam/gender fluid person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 12/20/18 11:36:26 AM #179:	Calling a spade a spade doesn't make someone a dishonest liar. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:914444235] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Calling a spade a spade doesn't make someone a dishonest liar.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:37:16 AM #180:	HenryAllbright posted... You don't even know anything about me. I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine. artowen74 posted... OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... Big difference between true gender and gender identity Nope. They are the same thing. Now I truly feel bad for you; sorta like I used to feel bad for those kids in school that would add 2+2 and repeatedly come up with 9. All of the biased SJW beliefs in the world can/do not change how wrong you are. But hey you've clearly decided to stand by your views no matter how unintelligent they are, and for that, we're done here. Good day sir/madam/gender fluid person. You're right, SJW beliefs don't change anything. The entire scientific community at large agreeing that they are the same, and that gender is psychological not biological, does prove me right, though. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914444282] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>You don't even know anything about me.</quote> I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine. <cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote>Big difference between true gender and gender identity</quote> Nope. They are the same thing.</quote> Now I truly feel bad for you; sorta like I used to feel bad for those kids in school that would add 2+2 and repeatedly come up with 9. All of the biased SJW beliefs in the world can/do not change how wrong you are. But hey you've clearly decided to stand by your views no matter how unintelligent they are, and for that, we're done here. Good day sir/madam/gender fluid person.</quote> You're right, SJW beliefs don't change anything. The entire scientific community at large agreeing that they are the same, and that gender is psychological not biological, does prove me right, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/20/18 11:40:17 AM #181:	OctilIery posted... HenryAllbright posted... You don't even know anything about me. I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine. That says a lot about you. It tells me you are the type of person looking for reasons to hate others. That it's gratifying for you to attach negative labels to people and attack them personally since you refuse to change your attitude when faced with new information that contradicts your original rationale. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914444442] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>You don't even know anything about me.</quote> I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine.</quote> That says a lot about you. It tells me you are the type of person looking for reasons to hate others. That it's gratifying for you to attach negative labels to people and attack them personally since you refuse to change your attitude when faced with new information that contradicts your original rationale.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:40:50 AM #182:	HenryAllbright posted... That says a lot about you. Yup, mostly good. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914444473] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote> That says a lot about you.</quote> Yup, mostly good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 12/20/18 11:41:24 AM #183:	HenryAllbright posted... OctilIery posted... HenryAllbright posted... You don't even know anything about me. I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine. That says a lot about you. It tells me you are the type of person looking for reasons to hate others. That it's gratifying for you to attach negative labels to people and attack them personally since you refuse to change your attitude when faced with new information that contradicts your original rationale. Present said information then if it exists. You've only helped prove you are a bit of a bigot --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:914444499] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>You don't even know anything about me.</quote> I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine.</quote> That says a lot about you. It tells me you are the type of person looking for reasons to hate others. That it's gratifying for you to attach negative labels to people and attack them personally since you refuse to change your attitude when faced with new information that contradicts your original rationale.</quote> Present said information then if it exists. You've only helped prove you are a bit of a bigot</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/20/18 11:41:53 AM #184:	artowen74 posted... But hey you've clearly decided to stand by your views no matter how unintelligent they are, and for that, we're done here. Good day sir/madam/gender fluid person. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914444517] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote>But hey you've clearly decided to stand by your views no matter how unintelligent they are, and for that, we're done here. Good day sir/madam/gender fluid person.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
artowen74 12/20/18 11:42:04 AM #185:	PleaseClap posted... artowen74 posted... OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... Mr_Karate_II posted... Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs? Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not? And where is that happening? Nice try, we both know damn well that it happens everyday, I also know where you're trying to go with this. If one feels that they are a cat and not a human, getting whiskers, pointy ears, a tail, stripes, slitted pupils, and pointy teeth grafted onto their body does NOT make them a cat. And on top of that they get pissed when folks address them as sir or madam instead of kitty kitty or puss post surgery. Are a lot of people having this mythical human to cat surgery? Where can I read up on the science of it? Got any journals? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKRr94ssnQo" data-time=" --- Now Playing: AC:Odyssey/Diablo 3:U.E.E./Spider-Man/Hopping back and forth between 50+ Indies, lol. RIP Hiroki Tobias; you're loved. :( <cite>artowen74 posted [p:914444526] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?</quote> Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not?</quote> And where is that happening?</quote> Nice try, we both know damn well that it happens everyday, I also know where you're trying to go with this. If one feels that they are a cat and not a human, getting whiskers, pointy ears, a tail, stripes, slitted pupils, and pointy teeth grafted onto their body does NOT make them a cat. And on top of that they get pissed when folks address them as sir or madam instead of kitty kitty or puss post surgery.</quote> Are a lot of people having this mythical human to cat surgery? Where can I read up on the science of it? Got any journals?</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKRr94ssnQo" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 12/20/18 11:44:42 AM #186:	This does not seem to be a scientific journal --- Please <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:914444643] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>This does not seem to be a scientific journal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
artowen74 12/20/18 11:45:07 AM #187:	Funkydog posted... Nick_Saban posted... The political left is basically just trying to brand everything they disagree with as some sort of horrible atrocity. The endgame isn't equality, it's the inability to be conservative without repercussions. Or we just want people to be treated fairly and equally over things they can't change. Fairly, yes, but "things they can't change," no; they literally had extensive surgery to change. --- Now Playing: AC:Odyssey/Diablo 3:U.E.E./Spider-Man/Hopping back and forth between 50+ Indies, lol. RIP Hiroki Tobias; you're loved. :( <cite>artowen74 posted [p:914444655] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nick_Saban posted...</cite> <quote>The political left is basically just trying to brand everything they disagree with as some sort of horrible atrocity. The endgame isn't equality, it's the inability to be conservative without repercussions.</quote> Or we just want people to be treated fairly and equally over things they can't change.</quote> Fairly, yes, but "things they can't change," no; they literally had extensive surgery to change.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/20/18 11:47:10 AM #188:	Funkydog posted... HenryAllbright posted... OctilIery posted... HenryAllbright posted... You don't even know anything about me. I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine. That says a lot about you. It tells me you are the type of person looking for reasons to hate others. That it's gratifying for you to attach negative labels to people and attack them personally since you refuse to change your attitude when faced with new information that contradicts your original rationale. Present said information then if it exists. You've only helped prove you are a bit of a bigot I just said that I wouldn't refuse service to anyone if I was a baker. That seems to be a lot of your guys' definition of the word, so why does that suddenly not apply to me? The actual definition of the word is to not have any tolerance for people with opposing opinions. Read my post about how I would handle being a baker. I literally said I would respect the opinions of my customers, and of my rival bakeries including ones that didn't extend their services to everyone. That is literally as anti-bigoted as a person can be. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914444752] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>You don't even know anything about me.</quote> I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine.</quote> That says a lot about you. It tells me you are the type of person looking for reasons to hate others. That it's gratifying for you to attach negative labels to people and attack them personally since you refuse to change your attitude when faced with new information that contradicts your original rationale.</quote> Present said information then if it exists. You've only helped prove you are a bit of a bigot</quote> I just said that I wouldn't refuse service to anyone if I was a baker. That seems to be a lot of your guys' definition of the word, so why does that suddenly not apply to me? The actual definition of the word is to not have any tolerance for people with opposing opinions. Read my post about how I would handle being a baker. I literally said I would respect the opinions of my customers, and of my rival bakeries including ones that didn't extend their services to everyone. That is literally as anti-bigoted as a person can be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 12/20/18 11:47:17 AM #189:	Also, Im not sure if I really have to explain this to you, but trans people do not necessarily have to get surgery. There are many who dont --- Please <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:914444759] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Also, Im not sure if I really have to explain this to you, but trans people do not necessarily have to get surgery. There are many who dont</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 12/20/18 11:47:28 AM #190:	artowen74 posted... Funkydog posted... Nick_Saban posted... The political left is basically just trying to brand everything they disagree with as some sort of horrible atrocity. The endgame isn't equality, it's the inability to be conservative without repercussions. Or we just want people to be treated fairly and equally over things they can't change. Fairly, yes, but "things they can't change," no; they literally had extensive surgery to change. They were always the sex they'd now present as though. Some surgery to match their appearance to that irrelevant. Plenty of others undergo surgeries as well, yet they aren't discriminated against. And as others said, many don't even transition. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:914444766] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nick_Saban posted...</cite> <quote>The political left is basically just trying to brand everything they disagree with as some sort of horrible atrocity. The endgame isn't equality, it's the inability to be conservative without repercussions.</quote> Or we just want people to be treated fairly and equally over things they can't change.</quote> Fairly, yes, but "things they can't change," no; they literally had extensive surgery to change.</quote> They were always the sex they'd now present as though. Some surgery to match their appearance to that irrelevant. Plenty of others undergo surgeries as well, yet they aren't discriminated against. And as others said, many don't even transition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
artowen74 12/20/18 11:48:41 AM #191:	Funkydog posted... HenryAllbright posted... OctilIery posted... HenryAllbright posted... You don't even know anything about me. I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine. That says a lot about you. It tells me you are the type of person looking for reasons to hate others. That it's gratifying for you to attach negative labels to people and attack them personally since you refuse to change your attitude when faced with new information that contradicts your original rationale. Present said information then if it exists. You've only helped prove you are a bit of a bigot No, not really. We've got 'You're a bigot,' debater #2 right here folks. --- Now Playing: AC:Odyssey/Diablo 3:U.E.E./Spider-Man/Hopping back and forth between 50+ Indies, lol. RIP Hiroki Tobias; you're loved. :( <cite>artowen74 posted [p:914444826] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>You don't even know anything about me.</quote> I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine.</quote> That says a lot about you. It tells me you are the type of person looking for reasons to hate others. That it's gratifying for you to attach negative labels to people and attack them personally since you refuse to change your attitude when faced with new information that contradicts your original rationale.</quote> Present said information then if it exists. You've only helped prove you are a bit of a bigot</quote> No, not really. We've got 'You're a bigot,' debater #2 right here folks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 12/20/18 11:48:56 AM #192:	OctilIery posted... Yes, I'm sure a random internet search trumps all of modern science. Modern science doesn't support gender bullshit at all. Closest thing is "these trans people have something resembling true biological males or females." It doesn't help your argument at all if the premise of your research is that Cis is the standard to go by. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:914444844] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> Yes, I'm sure a random internet search trumps all of modern science.</quote> Modern science doesn't support gender bullshit at all. Closest thing is "these trans people have something resembling true biological males or females." It doesn't help your argument at all if the premise of your research is that Cis is the standard to go by.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:51:09 AM #193:	Squall28 posted... Modern science doesn't support gender bullshit at all. Actually it does. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914444961] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>Modern science doesn't support gender bullshit at all.</quote> Actually it does.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
artowen74 12/20/18 11:51:14 AM #194:	HenryAllbright posted... OctilIery posted... HenryAllbright posted... You don't even know anything about me. I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine. That says a lot about you. It tells me you are the type of person looking for reasons to hate others. That it's gratifying for you to attach negative labels to people and attack them personally since you refuse to change your attitude when faced with new information that contradicts your original rationale. Yep; so many times those SJWs that cry out 'persecution,' are the ones that are spewing forth the true hate. --- Now Playing: AC:Odyssey/Diablo 3:U.E.E./Spider-Man/Hopping back and forth between 50+ Indies, lol. RIP Hiroki Tobias; you're loved. :( <cite>artowen74 posted [p:914444966] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>You don't even know anything about me.</quote> I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine.</quote> That says a lot about you. It tells me you are the type of person looking for reasons to hate others. That it's gratifying for you to attach negative labels to people and attack them personally since you refuse to change your attitude when faced with new information that contradicts your original rationale.</quote> Yep; so many times those SJWs that cry out 'persecution,' are the ones that are spewing forth the true hate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 12/20/18 11:51:38 AM #195:	HenryAllbright posted... I just said that I wouldn't refuse service to anyone if I was a baker. That seems to be a lot of your guys' definition of the word, so why does that suddenly not apply to me? The actual definition of the word is to not have any tolerance for people with opposing opinions. Read my post about how I would handle being a baker. I literally said I would respect the opinions of my customers, and of my rival bakeries including ones that didn't extend their services to everyone. That is literally as anti-bigoted as a person can be. That's good then and I'm glad to hear you personally wouldn't. However, should that mean others ARE allowed to discriminate over whatever religion they happen to be part of? America is meant to have separation of religion and state so surly logic applies that religion isn't a defence for discrimination? --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:914444994] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>I just said that I wouldn't refuse service to anyone if I was a baker. That seems to be a lot of your guys' definition of the word, so why does that suddenly not apply to me? The actual definition of the word is to not have any tolerance for people with opposing opinions. Read my post about how I would handle being a baker. I literally said I would respect the opinions of my customers, and of my rival bakeries including ones that didn't extend their services to everyone. That is literally as anti-bigoted as a person can be.</quote> That's good then and I'm glad to hear you personally wouldn't. However, should that mean others ARE allowed to discriminate over whatever religion they happen to be part of? America is meant to have separation of religion and state so surly logic applies that religion isn't a defence for discrimination?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PleaseClap 12/20/18 11:51:52 AM #196:	PleaseClap posted... iClockwork posted... OctilIery posted... iClockwork posted... OctilIery posted... artowen74 posted... Big difference between true gender and gender identity Nope. They are the same thing. LOL I'd assume you know gender isn't biological, but given your earlier posts I wouldn't put anything past you. gender /jendr/Submit noun 1. the state of being male or female LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Are you going to post the rest of the definition or do I have to Fine, guess I have to do it gender /jendr/Submit noun 1. the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones). --- Please <cite>PleaseClap posted [p:914445006] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote>Big difference between true gender and gender identity</quote> Nope. They are the same thing.</quote> LOL</quote> I'd assume you know gender isn't biological, but given your earlier posts I wouldn't put anything past you.</quote> gender /jendr/Submit noun 1. the state of being male or female LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL</quote> Are you going to post the rest of the definition or do I have to</quote> Fine, guess I have to do it gender /jendr/Submit noun 1. the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HenryAllbright 12/20/18 11:55:35 AM #197:	Funkydog posted... HenryAllbright posted... I just said that I wouldn't refuse service to anyone if I was a baker. That seems to be a lot of your guys' definition of the word, so why does that suddenly not apply to me? The actual definition of the word is to not have any tolerance for people with opposing opinions. Read my post about how I would handle being a baker. I literally said I would respect the opinions of my customers, and of my rival bakeries including ones that didn't extend their services to everyone. That is literally as anti-bigoted as a person can be. That's good then and I'm glad to hear you personally wouldn't. However, should that mean others ARE allowed to discriminate over whatever religion they happen to be part of? America is meant to have separation of religion and state so surly logic applies that religion isn't a defence for discrimination? I think that nothing should be a hard and fast rule at all. I think that as long as somebody isn't creating a serious problem that has a significant impact on somebody's life, they should be allowed to refuse business. Having to go somewhere else to get a cake you want doesn't register as a significant societal problem in my book. If we run into a situation where we have every grocery store in town discriminating against black people and telling them they can't buy food, then yeah that's a problem, but at the same time that is just so extremely farfetched that there's no reason to chase ghosts when ghosts don't exist. Plus, if a town ever got to the point where businesses were doing things like this just for the sake of being stupid assholes, then we've got much bigger, deeper, more serious foundational problems within our culture that government wouldn't even be able to correct in the first place anyway. --- All points of view and perspectives exist for a reason. There is no such thing as evil. <cite>HenryAllbright posted [p:914445175] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>I just said that I wouldn't refuse service to anyone if I was a baker. That seems to be a lot of your guys' definition of the word, so why does that suddenly not apply to me? The actual definition of the word is to not have any tolerance for people with opposing opinions. Read my post about how I would handle being a baker. I literally said I would respect the opinions of my customers, and of my rival bakeries including ones that didn't extend their services to everyone. That is literally as anti-bigoted as a person can be.</quote> That's good then and I'm glad to hear you personally wouldn't. However, should that mean others ARE allowed to discriminate over whatever religion they happen to be part of? America is meant to have separation of religion and state so surly logic applies that religion isn't a defence for discrimination?</quote> I think that nothing should be a hard and fast rule at all. I think that as long as somebody isn't creating a serious problem that has a significant impact on somebody's life, they should be allowed to refuse business. Having to go somewhere else to get a cake you want doesn't register as a significant societal problem in my book. If we run into a situation where we have every grocery store in town discriminating against black people and telling them they can't buy food, then yeah that's a problem, but at the same time that is just so extremely farfetched that there's no reason to chase ghosts when ghosts don't exist. Plus, if a town ever got to the point where businesses were doing things like this just for the sake of being stupid assholes, then we've got much bigger, deeper, more serious foundational problems within our culture that government wouldn't even be able to correct in the first place anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/20/18 11:56:12 AM #198:	artowen74 posted... HenryAllbright posted... OctilIery posted... HenryAllbright posted... You don't even know anything about me. I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine. That says a lot about you. It tells me you are the type of person looking for reasons to hate others. That it's gratifying for you to attach negative labels to people and attack them personally since you refuse to change your attitude when faced with new information that contradicts your original rationale. Yep; so many times those SJWs that cry out 'persecution,' are the ones that are spewing forth the true hate. Ooooh it's the reclusive "Tolerate my intolerance!" <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914445206] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HenryAllbright posted...</cite> <quote>You don't even know anything about me.</quote> I've seen enough about you that the term sticks just fine.</quote> That says a lot about you. It tells me you are the type of person looking for reasons to hate others. That it's gratifying for you to attach negative labels to people and attack them personally since you refuse to change your attitude when faced with new information that contradicts your original rationale.</quote> Yep; so many times those SJWs that cry out 'persecution,' are the ones that are spewing forth the true hate.</quote> Ooooh it's the reclusive "Tolerate my intolerance!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
artowen74 12/20/18 12:00:28 PM #199:	Funkydog posted... artowen74 posted... Funkydog posted... Nick_Saban posted... The political left is basically just trying to brand everything they disagree with as some sort of horrible atrocity. The endgame isn't equality, it's the inability to be conservative without repercussions. Or we just want people to be treated fairly and equally over things they can't change. Fairly, yes, but "things they can't change," no; they literally had extensive surgery to change. They were always the sex they'd now present as though. Some surgery to match their appearance to that irrelevant. Plenty of others undergo surgeries as well, yet they aren't discriminated against. And as others said, many don't even transition. Well transvestites play dress up, transgenders undergo medical procedures; has society merged the two factions into one? I frown upon women who buy boobies unless it's because of a mastectomy. Also frown on men who get pec implants and any cosmetic surgery or surgeries that aren't medically necessary for the most part. --- Now Playing: AC:Odyssey/Diablo 3:U.E.E./Spider-Man/Hopping back and forth between 50+ Indies, lol. RIP Hiroki Tobias; you're loved. :( <cite>artowen74 posted [p:914445405] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>artowen74 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nick_Saban posted...</cite> <quote>The political left is basically just trying to brand everything they disagree with as some sort of horrible atrocity. The endgame isn't equality, it's the inability to be conservative without repercussions.</quote> Or we just want people to be treated fairly and equally over things they can't change.</quote> Fairly, yes, but "things they can't change," no; they literally had extensive surgery to change.</quote> They were always the sex they'd now present as though. Some surgery to match their appearance to that irrelevant. Plenty of others undergo surgeries as well, yet they aren't discriminated against. And as others said, many don't even transition.</quote> Well transvestites play dress up, transgenders undergo medical procedures; has society merged the two factions into one? I frown upon women who buy boobies unless it's because of a mastectomy. Also frown on men who get pec implants and any cosmetic surgery or surgeries that aren't medically necessary for the most part.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoubleDare 12/20/18 12:01:07 PM #200:	Heres the thing. Don't the bible teach to be kind to everyone? Id he made either the gay couple or trans, and his church, would've he been thrown out? Probably not. --- On Your Mark...Get Set........GO!!!!!! <cite>DoubleDare posted [p:914445434] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Heres the thing. Don't the bible teach to be kind to everyone? Id he made either the gay couple or trans, and his church, would've he been thrown out? Probably not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > Colorado bakers are back in court, but this time over a transgender cake order. (+) Yeah! (+)

Current Events > Colorado bakers are back in court, but this time over a transgender cake order.