Current Events > Colorado bakers are back in court, but this time over a transgender cake order.

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A_Good_Boy 12/20/18 7:00:55 AM #1:	https://abc7chicago.com/society/colorado-baker-back-in-court-after-refusing-to-make-cake-celebrating-gender-transition/4930768/ Attorneys for a Colorado baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple on religious grounds - a stand partially upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court - argued in federal court Tuesday that the state is punishing him again over his refusal to bake a cake celebrating a gender transition. Lawyers for Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop in suburban Denver, are suing to try to stop the state from taking action against him over the new discrimination allegation. They say the state is treating Phillips with hostility because of his Christian faith and pressing a complaint that they call an "obvious setup." "At this point, he's just a guy who is trying to get back to life. The problem is the state of Colorado won't let him," Jim Campbell, an attorney for the Alliance Defending Freedom, said after the hearing. The conservative Christian nonprofit law firm is representing Phillips. State officials argued for the case to be dismissed, but the judge said he was inclined to let the case move forward and would issue a written ruling later. The Colorado Civil Rights Commission said Phillips discriminated against Denver attorney Autumn Scardina because she's transgender. Phillips' shop refused to make a cake last year that was blue on the outside and pink on the inside after Scardina revealed she wanted it to celebrate her transition from male to female. She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him. In that 2012 case, he refused to make a wedding cake for same-sex couple Charlie Craig and Dave Mullins. The Supreme Court ruled in June that the Colorado commission showed anti-religious bias when it sanctioned Phillips for refusing to make the cake, voting 7-2 that it violated Phillips' First Amendment rights. But the court did not rule on the larger issue of whether businesses can invoke religious objections to refuse service to gays and lesbians. Phillips' lawsuit alleges that Colorado violated his First Amendment right to practice his faith and 14th Amendment right to equal protection. It seeks $100,000 in punitive damages from Aubrey Elenis, director of the Colorado Civil Rights Division. Attorney General Cynthia Coffman says the case should be dismissed because of state efforts to enforce its order against Phillips. A state hearing is scheduled for February to determine what will happen next. Deputy Attorney General LeeAnn Morrill told Senior Judge Wiley Y. Daniel that the commission did not mention religion in its latest finding against Phillips. She said the commission also has used the state's anti-discrimination law to protect people who have faced bias because of their faith. The judge said he thought the Supreme Court's ruling had more relevance in the current case than the state acknowledged and quoted from the justices' opinions during the hearing. He mentioned now-retired Justice Anthony Kennedy's conclusion that the commission had shown "hostility" toward religion. Wiley said he would have to hear evidence before deciding whether to temporarily block state proceedings. In the lawsuit, Phillips' attorneys say he "believes as a matter of religious conviction that sex - the status of being male or female - is given by God, is biologically determined, is not determined by perceptions or feelings, and cannot be chosen or changed." It claims Phillips has been harassed and received death threats and that his small shop was vandalized while the wedding cake case made its way through the courts. Hopefully it gets dismissed. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:914434909] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>https://abc7chicago.com/society/colorado-baker-back-in-court-after-refusing-to-make-cake-celebrating-gender-transition/4930768/ <quote> Attorneys for a Colorado baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple on religious grounds - a stand partially upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court - argued in federal court Tuesday that the state is punishing him again over his refusal to bake a cake celebrating a gender transition. Lawyers for Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop in suburban Denver, are suing to try to stop the state from taking action against him over the new discrimination allegation. They say the state is treating Phillips with hostility because of his Christian faith and pressing a complaint that they call an "obvious setup." "At this point, he's just a guy who is trying to get back to life. The problem is the state of Colorado won't let him," Jim Campbell, an attorney for the Alliance Defending Freedom, said after the hearing. The conservative Christian nonprofit law firm is representing Phillips. State officials argued for the case to be dismissed, but the judge said he was inclined to let the case move forward and would issue a written ruling later. The Colorado Civil Rights Commission said Phillips discriminated against Denver attorney Autumn Scardina because she's transgender. Phillips' shop refused to make a cake last year that was blue on the outside and pink on the inside after Scardina revealed she wanted it to celebrate her transition from male to female. She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him. In that 2012 case, he refused to make a wedding cake for same-sex couple Charlie Craig and Dave Mullins. The Supreme Court ruled in June that the Colorado commission showed anti-religious bias when it sanctioned Phillips for refusing to make the cake, voting 7-2 that it violated Phillips' First Amendment rights. But the court did not rule on the larger issue of whether businesses can invoke religious objections to refuse service to gays and lesbians. Phillips' lawsuit alleges that Colorado violated his First Amendment right to practice his faith and 14th Amendment right to equal protection. It seeks $100,000 in punitive damages from Aubrey Elenis, director of the Colorado Civil Rights Division. Attorney General Cynthia Coffman says the case should be dismissed because of state efforts to enforce its order against Phillips. A state hearing is scheduled for February to determine what will happen next. Deputy Attorney General LeeAnn Morrill told Senior Judge Wiley Y. Daniel that the commission did not mention religion in its latest finding against Phillips. She said the commission also has used the state's anti-discrimination law to protect people who have faced bias because of their faith. The judge said he thought the Supreme Court's ruling had more relevance in the current case than the state acknowledged and quoted from the justices' opinions during the hearing. He mentioned now-retired Justice Anthony Kennedy's conclusion that the commission had shown "hostility" toward religion. Wiley said he would have to hear evidence before deciding whether to temporarily block state proceedings. In the lawsuit, Phillips' attorneys say he "believes as a matter of religious conviction that sex - the status of being male or female - is given by God, is biologically determined, is not determined by perceptions or feelings, and cannot be chosen or changed." It claims Phillips has been harassed and received death threats and that his small shop was vandalized while the wedding cake case made its way through the courts.</quote> Hopefully it gets dismissed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rikasa 12/20/18 7:02:02 AM #2:	I feel bad for the guy. It's really embarrassing at this point. --- you are not alone <cite>rikasa posted [p:914434930] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>I feel bad for the guy. It's really embarrassing at this point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chicken 12/20/18 7:21:12 AM #3:	If he baked the cake and thenput like razor blades in it or some shit then theyd have a case against him. Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again. --- https://youtu.be/jGbI0P4hh3o <cite>Chicken posted [p:914435335] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>If he baked the cake and thenput like razor blades in it or some shit then theyd have a case against him. Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kavatar 12/20/18 7:27:50 AM #4:	Just let that piece of shit fade into obscurity with his hateful views. --- The sea was angry that day, my friends. Like an old man trying to send back soup at a deli. <cite>Kavatar posted [p:914435481] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Just let that piece of shit fade into obscurity with his hateful views.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 12/20/18 7:44:18 AM #5:	It definitely was someone intentionally trying to start something. Hope it gets thrown out. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 21; PiO ATTN: 5 RotM wins 1, https://i.imgtc.com/Ejs0WrG.jpg <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:914435867] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>It definitely was someone intentionally trying to start something. Hope it gets thrown out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 12/20/18 7:59:57 AM #6:	Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs? --- Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4 Mercenaries Mode,Resident Evil 6 Mercenaries Mode & Call of Duty Ghosts <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:914436190] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 12/20/18 8:14:55 AM #7:	Maybe if he wasn't a bigot this wouldn't keep happening. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:914436581] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Maybe if he wasn't a bigot this wouldn't keep happening.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 12/20/18 9:08:56 AM #9:	shockthemonkey posted... Didnt they win the SCOTUS decision because the state violated their Due Process, not because it violated their First Amendment rights? Yes. The Supreme court avoided the First Amendment part. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:914438161] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Didnt they win the SCOTUS decision because the state violated their Due Process, not because it violated their First Amendment rights?</quote> Yes. The Supreme court avoided the First Amendment part.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountDog 12/20/18 9:11:51 AM #10:	Mr_Karate_II posted... Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs? But its his beliefs, and he's not harming anyone. He's denying cake orders? People need to grow up and understand that everyone isn't going to share thier views. --- http://kinomania.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/gran-torino-clint-eastwood.jpg http://verleih.polyfilm.at/how_arnold_won_the_west/arnold%20thumbs%20up.jpg <cite>CountDog posted [p:914438241] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?</quote> But its his beliefs, and he's not harming anyone. He's denying cake orders? People need to grow up and understand that everyone isn't going to share thier views.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vertania 12/20/18 9:14:56 AM #11:	Chicken posted... Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again. They did: She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him. <cite>Vertania posted [p:914438340] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Chicken posted...</cite> <quote>Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again.</quote> They did: <quote>She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iClockwork 12/20/18 9:17:08 AM #12:	Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer. <cite>iClockwork posted [p:914438411] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 12/20/18 9:26:21 AM #13:	Vertania posted... Chicken posted... Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again. They did: She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him. Yeah, definitely not supporting this case. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 21; PiO ATTN: 5 RotM wins 1, https://i.imgtc.com/Ejs0WrG.jpg <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:914438737] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vertania posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Chicken posted...</cite> <quote>Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again.</quote> They did: <quote>She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him.</quote></quote> Yeah, definitely not supporting this case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 12/20/18 9:30:15 AM #14:	It doesn't matter if it was intentional that she sought out this particular cake shop - if he's discriminating and it violates the civil rights of others then he deserves to lose the case and be fined for what is now a clear-cut pattern of discrimination. To expand upon the "even if it's intentional, it's important to bring to trial" aspect. The Scopes trial? Yeah. The ACLU spent years trying to find a teacher who would try and teach Darwin's theory of evolution so that it would result in a case and thus give them the chance to argue against the law itself. In this case? The state commission was deemed to have violated the baker's rights with undue discrimination on the basis of his religion, but whether him discriminating is actually protected by the first amendment was never determined by the SCOTUS. Therefore, it's pretty damn important that we bring this to court and find out if bigotry done out of religious belief actually comes before other's civil rights. Canada recently ruled that no, it shouldn't. But America is easily the worst first world nation for hundreds of reasons, so I wouldn't expect the right answer to be the one they'll arrive at. And that's supposing the SCOTUS hadn't been stacked for the next few decades with religious zealots. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:914438874] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>It doesn't matter if it was intentional that she sought out this particular cake shop - if he's discriminating and it violates the civil rights of others then he deserves to lose the case and be fined for what is now a clear-cut pattern of discrimination. To expand upon the "even if it's intentional, it's important to bring to trial" aspect. The Scopes trial? Yeah. The ACLU spent years trying to find a teacher who would try and teach Darwin's theory of evolution so that it would result in a case and thus give them the chance to argue against the law itself. In this case? The state commission was deemed to have violated the baker's rights with undue discrimination on the basis of his religion, but whether him discriminating is actually protected by the first amendment was never determined by the SCOTUS. Therefore, it's pretty damn important that we bring this to court and find out if bigotry done out of religious belief actually comes before other's civil rights. Canada recently ruled that no, it shouldn't. But America is easily the worst first world nation for hundreds of reasons, so I wouldn't expect the right answer to be the one they'll arrive at. And that's supposing the SCOTUS hadn't been stacked for the next few decades with religious zealots.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 12/20/18 9:31:01 AM #15:	Vertania posted... Chicken posted... Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again. They did: She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him. And I was wondering why she went to him knowing his bakery just went through a huge battle against making a cake for the wedding of a gay couple. Holy cow, some people are really spiteful. --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:914438908] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vertania posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Chicken posted...</cite> <quote>Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again.</quote> They did: <quote>She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him.</quote></quote> And I was wondering why she went to him knowing his bakery just went through a huge battle against making a cake for the wedding of a gay couple. Holy cow, some people are really spiteful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zerocide 12/20/18 9:31:42 AM #16:	Vertania posted... Chicken posted... Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again. They did: She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him. /Sigh Talk about some petty motherfuckers. --- "Grand Upper!" - Axel Stone http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=618079256 <cite>Zerocide posted [p:914438941] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vertania posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Chicken posted...</cite> <quote>Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again.</quote> They did: <quote>She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him.</quote></quote> /Sigh Talk about some petty motherfuckers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 12/20/18 9:33:14 AM #17:	Does Denver only have ONE cakeshop? LMAO --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: *Adzeta* <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:914438995] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Does Denver only have ONE cakeshop? LMAO</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 12/20/18 9:34:55 AM #18:	Scardina's being a dick, but this really is a matter of discrimination. Bicolor cakes are common enough and increasingly popular for pregnancy gender reveals, although it's often "neutral on the outside, blue or pink on the inside". Blue on the outside and pink on the inside is within the standard scope of work. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:914439068] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Scardina's being a dick, but this really is a matter of discrimination. Bicolor cakes are common enough and increasingly popular for pregnancy gender reveals, although it's often "neutral on the outside, blue or pink on the inside". Blue on the outside and pink on the inside is within the standard scope of work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 12/20/18 9:36:30 AM #19:	Sad_Face posted... Vertania posted... Chicken posted... Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again. They did: She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him. And I was wondering why she went to him knowing his bakery just went through a huge battle against making a cake for the wedding of a gay couple. Holy cow, some people are really spiteful. Maybe if he stopped discriminating, he wouldn't get sued for illegal discrimination. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:914439118] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sad_Face posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vertania posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Chicken posted...</cite> <quote>Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again.</quote> They did: <quote>She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him.</quote></quote> And I was wondering why she went to him knowing his bakery just went through a huge battle against making a cake for the wedding of a gay couple. Holy cow, some people are really spiteful.</quote> Maybe if he stopped discriminating, he wouldn't get sued for illegal discrimination.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 12/20/18 9:37:54 AM #20:	Whether or not she's being "petty" or "a dick" has no relevance on the case. But by all means, keep attacking her instead of the homophobic, transphobic asshole. Tell us how you really feel. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:914439180] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Whether or not she's being "petty" or "a dick" has no relevance on the case. But by all means, keep attacking her instead of the homophobic, transphobic asshole. Tell us how you really feel.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 12/20/18 9:37:57 AM #21:	gunplagirl posted... Sad_Face posted... Vertania posted... Chicken posted... Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again. They did: She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him. And I was wondering why she went to him knowing his bakery just went through a huge battle against making a cake for the wedding of a gay couple. Holy cow, some people are really spiteful. Maybe if he stopped discriminating, he wouldn't get sued for illegal discrimination. Don't expect people who believe in pizzagate to understand that simple concept. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:914439184] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sad_Face posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vertania posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Chicken posted...</cite> <quote>Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again.</quote> They did: <quote>She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him.</quote></quote> And I was wondering why she went to him knowing his bakery just went through a huge battle against making a cake for the wedding of a gay couple. Holy cow, some people are really spiteful.</quote> Maybe if he stopped discriminating, he wouldn't get sued for illegal discrimination.</quote> Don't expect people who believe in pizzagate to understand that simple concept.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rhklce 12/20/18 9:38:49 AM #22:	All these people upset hes refusing service to go against his beliefs are the same ones that get mad and want people to think their beliefs matter and carry weight. <cite>rhklce posted [p:914439207] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>All these people upset hes refusing service to go against his beliefs are the same ones that get mad and want people to think their beliefs matter and carry weight.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SRR Capdown 12/20/18 9:39:41 AM #23:	CountDog posted... Mr_Karate_II posted... Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs? But its his beliefs, and he's not harming anyone. He's denying cake orders? People need to grow up and understand that everyone isn't going to share thier views. You could literally reverse this in the other favour. It's only a cake. It's not harming anyone. Why don't they understand that other people just have different views? --- Fire Bucket <cite>SRR Capdown posted [p:914439244] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>CountDog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?</quote> But its his beliefs, and he's not harming anyone. He's denying cake orders? People need to grow up and understand that everyone isn't going to share thier views.</quote> You could literally reverse this in the other favour. It's only a cake. It's not harming anyone. Why don't they understand that other people just have different views?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 12/20/18 9:40:19 AM #25:	Tmaster148 posted... gunplagirl posted... Sad_Face posted... Vertania posted... Chicken posted... Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again. They did: She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him. And I was wondering why she went to him knowing his bakery just went through a huge battle against making a cake for the wedding of a gay couple. Holy cow, some people are really spiteful. Maybe if he stopped discriminating, he wouldn't get sued for illegal discrimination. Don't expect people who believe in pizzagate to understand that simple concept. Sadface is a pizzagater? That would explain so much. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:914439268] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sad_Face posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vertania posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Chicken posted...</cite> <quote>Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again.</quote> They did: <quote>She asked for the cake on the same day the U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider Phillips' appeal of the previous commission ruling against him.</quote></quote> And I was wondering why she went to him knowing his bakery just went through a huge battle against making a cake for the wedding of a gay couple. Holy cow, some people are really spiteful.</quote> Maybe if he stopped discriminating, he wouldn't get sued for illegal discrimination.</quote> Don't expect people who believe in pizzagate to understand that simple concept.</quote> Sadface is a pizzagater? That would explain so much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 12/20/18 9:40:32 AM #26:	Why do liberals insist on the continuing harassment of this man? Why can't they simply speak with their wallets and take their business to a different shop like civilized human beings? All this creates is free publicity for the shop they hate. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 9 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 12-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 3-11 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:914439275] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Why do liberals insist on the continuing harassment of this man? Why can't they simply speak with their wallets and take their business to a different shop like civilized human beings? All this creates is free publicity for the shop they hate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningAce11 12/20/18 9:41:08 AM #28:	Just bake the damn cake and leave your re religious beliefs at home. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:914439291] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Just bake the damn cake and leave your re religious beliefs at home.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 12/20/18 9:41:41 AM #29:	I was conflicted about this dude being charged again, but gunplagirl made a pretty convincing argument. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:914439312] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>I was conflicted about this dude being charged again, but gunplagirl made a pretty convincing argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 12/20/18 9:44:22 AM #30:	A_Good_Boy posted... I was conflicted about this dude being charged again, but gunplagirl made a pretty convincing argument. No you weren't. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 21; PiO ATTN: 5 RotM wins 1, https://i.imgtc.com/Ejs0WrG.jpg <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:914439401] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote>I was conflicted about this dude being charged again, but gunplagirl made a pretty convincing argument.</quote> No you weren't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
D-Lo_BrownTown 12/20/18 9:45:23 AM #31:	Mr_Karate_II posted... Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs? Imagine if we said this about Islam. --- You Messin Wit Da Real Deal Now https://i.imgtc.com/AKqOHFK.mp4 <cite>D-Lo_BrownTown posted [p:914439431] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?</quote> Imagine if we said this about Islam.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 12/20/18 9:45:24 AM #32:	LightningAce11 posted... Just bake the damn cake and leave your re religious beliefs at home. That's not the way religious belief works. If you're religious and devout, it is the ONLY thing that matters to you. Speaking of that, tho, the bible isn't equipped to understand transgender. I'm not sure if it's ever mentioned at all, so maybe his bigotry is just his bigotry, and does not have much to do with religious belief. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 50001 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:914439433] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Just bake the damn cake and leave your re religious beliefs at home.</quote> That's not the way religious belief works. If you're religious and devout, it is the ONLY thing that matters to you. Speaking of that, tho, the bible isn't equipped to understand transgender. I'm not sure if it's ever mentioned at all, so maybe his bigotry is just his bigotry, and does not have much to do with religious belief.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PiOverlord 12/20/18 9:46:37 AM #34:	Dyinglegacy posted... LightningAce11 posted... Just bake the damn cake and leave your re religious beliefs at home. That's not the way religious belief works. If you're religious and devout, it is the ONLY thing that matters to you. Speaking of that, tho, the bible isn't equipped to understand transgender. I'm not sure if it's ever mentioned at all, so maybe his bigotry is just his bigotry, and does not have much to do with religious belief. The Bible does mention that your body is God's gift and the way you were made is how He intended. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 21; PiO ATTN: 5 RotM wins 1, https://i.imgtc.com/Ejs0WrG.jpg <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:914439486] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Just bake the damn cake and leave your re religious beliefs at home.</quote> That's not the way religious belief works. If you're religious and devout, it is the ONLY thing that matters to you. Speaking of that, tho, the bible isn't equipped to understand transgender. I'm not sure if it's ever mentioned at all, so maybe his bigotry is just his bigotry, and does not have much to do with religious belief.</quote> The Bible does mention that your body is God's gift and the way you were made is how He intended.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 12/20/18 9:46:53 AM #35:	Dyinglegacy posted... LightningAce11 posted... Just bake the damn cake and leave your re religious beliefs at home. That's not the way religious belief works. If you're religious and devout, it is the ONLY thing that matters to you. Speaking of that, tho, the bible isn't equipped to understand transgender. I'm not sure if it's ever mentioned at all, so maybe his bigotry is just his bigotry, and does not have much to do with religious belief. Well if religious folks can't put their beliefs behind them when running a business then they shouldn't be running a business in the first place. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:914439501] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Just bake the damn cake and leave your re religious beliefs at home.</quote> That's not the way religious belief works. If you're religious and devout, it is the ONLY thing that matters to you. Speaking of that, tho, the bible isn't equipped to understand transgender. I'm not sure if it's ever mentioned at all, so maybe his bigotry is just his bigotry, and does not have much to do with religious belief.</quote> Well if religious folks can't put their beliefs behind them when running a business then they shouldn't be running a business in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 12/20/18 9:48:32 AM #36:	Like throwing yourself in front of a car and being pissed you got hurt. The baker is already an established asshole, but so are these people clearly trying to start shit. Hope both sides are rekt and get ruined lives. --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:914439557] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Like throwing yourself in front of a car and being pissed you got hurt. The baker is already an established asshole, but so are these people clearly trying to start shit. Hope both sides are rekt and get ruined lives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoubleDare 12/20/18 9:49:19 AM #37:	If it was a Muslim baker that refused, no one would bat an eye. Also this is clearly a malicous part of the intolerant left. They know he is religious baker. --- On Your Mark...Get Set........GO!!!!!! <cite>DoubleDare posted [p:914439581] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>If it was a Muslim baker that refused, no one would bat an eye. Also this is clearly a malicous part of the intolerant left. They know he is religious baker.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 12/20/18 9:49:23 AM #38:	PiOverlord posted... A_Good_Boy posted... I was conflicted about this dude being charged again, but gunplagirl made a pretty convincing argument. No you weren't. Uh huh --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:914439583] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote> I was conflicted about this dude being charged again, but gunplagirl made a pretty convincing argument.</quote> No you weren't.</quote> Uh huh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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D-Lo_BrownTown 12/20/18 9:50:31 AM #40:	shockthemonkey posted... D-Lo_BrownTown posted... Mr_Karate_II posted... Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs? Imagine if we said this about Islam. People say it about Islam all the time. Youre implying it about Islam right here. So is it okay to say it about all religions or not? I swear, I love how low key facist the left has gotten with their ferver over silencing all talk they don't like as well as beliefs they don't like . --- You Messin Wit Da Real Deal Now https://i.imgtc.com/AKqOHFK.mp4 <cite>D-Lo_BrownTown posted [p:914439626] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>D-Lo_BrownTown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?</quote> Imagine if we said this about Islam.</quote> People say it about Islam all the time. Youre implying it about Islam right here.</quote> So is it okay to say it about all religions or not? I swear, I love how low key facist the left has gotten with their ferver over silencing all talk they don't like as well as beliefs they don't like .</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 12/20/18 9:50:38 AM #41:	D-Lo_BrownTown posted... Mr_Karate_II posted... Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs? Imagine if we said this about Islam. If he was Muslim in America he wouldn't get away with it. --- Sarcasm is my basic function. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:914439628] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>D-Lo_BrownTown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?</quote> Imagine if we said this about Islam.</quote> If he was Muslim in America he wouldn't get away with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 12/20/18 9:50:58 AM #42:	I'm going to go to this guy next and request a cake for my conversion to Atheism. He better honor it! --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:914439634] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>I'm going to go to this guy next and request a cake for my conversion to Atheism. He better honor it!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 12/20/18 9:54:41 AM #43:	people with strong conservative/religious viewpoints should really stop trying to get careers as bakers, maybe look into becoming a welder or firefighter --- https://imgur.com/LhwwG <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:914439753] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>people with strong conservative/religious viewpoints should really stop trying to get careers as bakers, maybe look into becoming a welder or firefighter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VTBM 12/20/18 9:55:03 AM #44:	iClockwork posted... Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer. --- http://darkvisionsofterror.bandcamp.com/ https://imgur.com/e7sCCSb http://i.imgtc.com/AlmbdTG49T.jpg <cite>VTBM posted [p:914439769] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 12/20/18 9:55:06 AM #45:	Tmaster148 posted... Dyinglegacy posted... LightningAce11 posted... Just bake the damn cake and leave your re religious beliefs at home. That's not the way religious belief works. If you're religious and devout, it is the ONLY thing that matters to you. Speaking of that, tho, the bible isn't equipped to understand transgender. I'm not sure if it's ever mentioned at all, so maybe his bigotry is just his bigotry, and does not have much to do with religious belief. Well if religious folks can't put their beliefs behind them when running a business then they shouldn't be running a business in the first place. I'm not sure. It's a convoluted subject on what Christians should and shouldn't do, according to their sacred text. There is a lot going on in biblical text that can be misconstrued and misused. I'm not even sure if Christians are supposed to associate with people outside of the church at all. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 50001 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:914439773] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dyinglegacy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Just bake the damn cake and leave your re religious beliefs at home.</quote> That's not the way religious belief works. If you're religious and devout, it is the ONLY thing that matters to you. Speaking of that, tho, the bible isn't equipped to understand transgender. I'm not sure if it's ever mentioned at all, so maybe his bigotry is just his bigotry, and does not have much to do with religious belief.</quote> Well if religious folks can't put their beliefs behind them when running a business then they shouldn't be running a business in the first place.</quote> I'm not sure. It's a convoluted subject on what Christians should and shouldn't do, according to their sacred text. There is a lot going on in biblical text that can be misconstrued and misused. I'm not even sure if Christians are supposed to associate with people outside of the church at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Squall28 12/20/18 9:59:09 AM #47:	Why the fuck would you want to be a customer of someone who doesn't support your beliefs anyways? Is there no other baker in town? The buyer is a histrionic bitch. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:914439900] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Why the fuck would you want to be a customer of someone who doesn't support your beliefs anyways? Is there no other baker in town? The buyer is a histrionic bitch.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 12/20/18 10:00:10 AM #48:	Romulox28 posted... maybe look into becoming a welder or firefighter wat. "I can't do CPR on this person, as their existence and my revival of them violates my sincerely held religious beliefs" Squall28 posted... Why the fuck would you want to be a customer of someone who doesn't support your beliefs anyways? So you can call them out on their discriminatory practices and napalm their shit. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:914439942] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romulox28 posted...</cite> <quote>maybe look into becoming a welder or firefighter</quote> wat. "I can't do CPR on this person, as their existence and my revival of them violates my sincerely held religious beliefs" <cite>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>Why the fuck would you want to be a customer of someone who doesn't support your beliefs anyways?</quote> So you can call them out on their discriminatory practices and napalm their shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 12/20/18 10:00:20 AM #49:	gunplagirl posted... Maybe if he stopped discriminating, he wouldn't get sued for illegal discrimination. You're missing my point. The girl went to the guy knowing that he wouldn't take kindly to her order request. The guy just went through successful case to defend his actions, why would he cave now? --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:914439949] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe if he stopped discriminating, he wouldn't get sued for illegal discrimination.</quote> You're missing my point. The girl went to the guy knowing that he wouldn't take kindly to her order request. The guy just went through successful case to defend his actions, why would he cave now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iWillBeHOTHkage 12/20/18 10:01:16 AM #50:	Why wont leftists just fuck off to somewhere else? --- http://error1355.com/ce/iWillBeHOTHkage.html https://i.redd.it/0m6iodmmlwv11.png <cite>iWillBeHOTHkage posted [p:914439975] in Colorado b... [t:77319143]...</cite> <quote>Why wont leftists just fuck off to somewhere else?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > Colorado bakers are back in court, but this time over a transgender cake order. (+) Yeah! (+)

Current Events > Colorado bakers are back in court, but this time over a transgender cake order.