Current Events > Colorado bakers are back in court, but this time over a transgender cake order.

(+) Yeah! (+)

I'd make a blue cake with blue on the inside.
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Sad_Face posted...

The guy just went through successful case to defend his actions

He did not, as the Supreme Court did not rule he could refuse service to LGBTQ.
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I was behind the baker the first time, and I am again, now.

You can live whatever lifestyle you want, but you have no right to force it on to others.

All this does is hurt the LGBT movement. The baker is going to win again, and they are they are just gong to look like idiots - again.
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There is one thing people need to understand about religion and belief. Belief isn't a choice. You can't make yourself believe in something. Belief, at it's center, is being convinced of something. If something convinces you, that's an internal process that you didn't choose to happen.

Now, you CAN choose to follow something that you don't actually believe in. I'm sure many self proclaimed Christians aren't actually believers and they just follow the lifestyle out of habit/routine, or for any other reason. The truly devout tho, they aren't choosing to believe. You're either convinced god is, or you're not.

Belief can obviously change over time, so it's not immutable. However, I cannot concede on the idea that truly believing in something isn't a direct choice.
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0TiamaT0 posted...

I was behind the baker the first time, and I am again, now.

You can live whatever lifestyle you want, but you have no right to force it on to others.

All this does is hurt the LGBT movement. The baker is going to win again, and they are they are just gong to look like idiots - again.

He didn't win before though?

And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then?
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Funkydog posted...

He didn't win before though?

And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then?

In this case, I don't think he was forcing any belief, but more defending his own.
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rhklce posted...

All these people upset hes refusing service to go against his beliefs are the same ones that get mad and want people to think their beliefs matter and carry weight.

No, just to stop bothering me about My beliefs
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Dyinglegacy posted...

Funkydog posted...

He didn't win before though?

And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then?

In this case, I don't think he was forcing any belief, but more defending his own.

So it would be okay to refuse to sell to black people or a white person if he believed some bigoted rubbish about them?
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To the people for the bakery having to make a cake.
Did you agree with the restaurant kicking sarah sanders out for her political beliefs?
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Funkydog posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Funkydog posted...

He didn't win before though?

And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then?

In this case, I don't think he was forcing any belief, but more defending his own.

So it would be okay to refuse to sell to black people or a white person if he believed some bigoted rubbish about them?

Would it be okay with me? Probably not, but I'm not the law. I'm not sure on the laws when it comes to personal businesses.
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Obviously he's going to win, since theres like 5 whole chapters in the bible about how you're not allowed to sell things to transgender people
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eston posted...

Obviously he's going to win, since theres like 5 whole chapters in the bible about how you're not allowed to sell things to transgender people

Ah yes, the book of Cletus I believe.
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Chicken posted...

If he baked the cake and thenput like razor blades in it or some shit then theyd have a case against him. Seems like they went to this guy on purpose to try to start shit again.

no bulli pls

DoubleDare posted...

To the people for the bakery having to make a cake.
Did you agree with the restaurant kicking sarah sanders out for her political beliefs?

Allow me to answer for them: "PoLiTiCaL bElIeFs ArE nOt A pRoTeCtEd ClAsS"
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gunplagirl posted...

It doesn't matter if it was intentional that she sought out this particular cake shop - if he's discriminating and it violates the civil rights of others then he deserves to lose the case and be fined for what is now a clear-cut pattern of discrimination.

To expand upon the "even if it's intentional, it's important to bring to trial" aspect. The Scopes trial? Yeah. The ACLU spent years trying to find a teacher who would try and teach Darwin's theory of evolution so that it would result in a case and thus give them the chance to argue against the law itself.

In this case? The state commission was deemed to have violated the baker's rights with undue discrimination on the basis of his religion, but whether him discriminating is actually protected by the first amendment was never determined by the SCOTUS. Therefore, it's pretty damn important that we bring this to court and find out if bigotry done out of religious belief actually comes before other's civil rights. Canada recently ruled that no, it shouldn't. But America is easily the worst first world nation for hundreds of reasons, so I wouldn't expect the right answer to be the one they'll arrive at. And that's supposing the SCOTUS hadn't been stacked for the next few decades with religious zealots.

Why would someone go out of their way to inform someone they are trans?

Isn't the point that you transition so you feel at right in the body you reside? What was the added value here, to make this statement, other than to rustle some jimmies?

You always preach tolerance, but are incredibly intolerant of other people's religion (except for Islam, funny enough).
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Funkydog posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Funkydog posted...

He didn't win before though?

And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then?

In this case, I don't think he was forcing any belief, but more defending his own.

So it would be okay to refuse to sell to black people or a white person if he believed some bigoted rubbish about them?

Did these people alter thier skin color?
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Nazanir posted...

You always preach tolerance, but are incredibly intolerant of other people's religion (except for Islam, funny enough).

"Accept my intollerance" is and always be bullshit.
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Paragon21XX posted...

Allow me to answer for them: "PoLiTiCaL bElIeFs ArE nOt A pRoTeCtEd ClAsS"

Is that the only thing stopping people from behaving in any certain way? Whether or not it's protected?
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BLAKUboy posted...

Sad_Face posted...

The guy just went through successful case to defend his actions

He did not, as the Supreme Court did not rule he could refuse service to LGBTQ.

Ah, I sit corrected on that. But having gone through that ordeal, investing so much to fight for what he believes in, there's no way he'd cave to another LGBTQ request. He's just going to double down on his beliefs.
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Funkydog posted...

He didn't win before though?

And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then?

He isn't though.
He is but 1 baker out of thousands in the entire state. It was the jackass that sought him out and intentionally tried to start shit that is forcing their beliefs on him. On the same day the SC announced their ruling on his case no less.
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Funkydog posted...

Nazanir posted...

You always preach tolerance, but are incredibly intolerant of other people's religion (except for Islam, funny enough).

"Accept my intollerance" is and always be bullshit.

Tolerance, as it's used today, is bullshit. Tolerance is allowing something to be, even though you don't necessarily like or agree with it. People don't seem to really do that, as the things they tolerate, they actually openly embrace. That's not what tolerance is.

There is a drastic difference between tolerance and open support/acceptance.
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Funkydog posted...

0TiamaT0 posted...

I was behind the baker the first time, and I am again, now.

You can live whatever lifestyle you want, but you have no right to force it on to others.

All this does is hurt the LGBT movement. The baker is going to win again, and they are they are just gong to look like idiots - again.

He didn't win before though?

And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then?

Why do liberals feel the need to force their believes upon the baker?
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Sad_Face posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Maybe if he stopped discriminating, he wouldn't get sued for illegal discrimination.

You're missing my point. The girl went to the guy knowing that he wouldn't take kindly to her order request. The guy just went through successful case to defend his actions, why would he cave now?

He didn't have a successful case, the state overstepped their boundaries which basically meant the case was nullified.

And regardless of if she knew he would discriminate or not, if he's discriminating then he's in violation of the law.

A basic criminal equivalent of this would be if a drug dealer got arrested, one of the police officers on the case violated his rights, and ultimately the case had to be thrown out. A few days later, he's back at it again and selling drugs. Him having the charges dropped doesn't mean that he didn't break the law, just that in that instance of the crimes he committed he couldn't legally be prosecuted.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Why do liberals feel the need to force their believes upon the baker?

This all started because someone tried to buy a cake from someone who makes cakes
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Welp, this is basically the consequences of live and let live; you're eventually going to have groups that don't mesh well.
Personally, private entities shouldn't be willed by the government into doing anything unless they're actively hurting others; refusing to bake a cake via discrimination isn't harmful to anyone.
The offended parties should just boycott the establishment or open up their own cake shop.
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Nazanir posted...

Why would someone go out of their way to inform someone they are trans?

Have you ever seen people order cakes before? "Yes can I get that Bob the builder birthday cake and can it say happy birthday Jimmy and can you give me one of those candles shaped like the number 5?" It's a detail that while it might be unnecessary to fulfill the order, still might come up naturally in the course of specifying the details of the order.

Isn't the point that you transition so you feel at right in the body you reside? What was the added value here, to make this statement, other than to rustle some jimmies?

You always preach tolerance, but are incredibly intolerant of other people's religion (except for Islam, funny enough).

The only jimmies rustled are those of the intolerant. And people's religious beliefs should never be allowed to supercede the civil rights of others. But do go on about how much you have to say Islam, it's awfully telling when people bring it up unprovoked.
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eston posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Why do liberals feel the need to force their believes upon the baker?

This all started because someone tried to buy a cake from someone who makes cakes

Not the point. People call foul for the baker "forcing his beliefs" when that's exactly what these crazies are trying to do to him when they could easily go to the next cake shop and ignore the bigot.
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gunplagirl posted...

Nazanir posted...

Why would someone go out of their way to inform someone they are trans?

Have you ever seen people order cakes before? "Yes can I get that Bob the builder birthday cake and can it say happy birthday Jimmy and can you give me one of those candles shaped like the number 5?" It's a detail that while it might be unnecessary to fulfill the order, still might come up naturally in the course of specifying the details of the order.

Isn't the point that you transition so you feel at right in the body you reside? What was the added value here, to make this statement, other than to rustle some jimmies?

You always preach tolerance, but are incredibly intolerant of other people's religion (except for Islam, funny enough).

The only jimmies rustled are those of the intolerant. And people's religious beliefs should never be allowed to supercede the civil rights of others. But do go on about how much you have to say Islam, it's awfully telling when people bring it up unprovoked.

God, youre so funny.

does me saying God offend you? Oh, I hope not

This bigot will end going to court over not wanting to bake a cake for one of the mud races (this is how Mormons refer to black people)

The devoutly religious should probably just build their own community so this just doesn't happen anymore. I mean, they are commanded to be separate from the world. However, they are also commanded to go out and spread the gospel. So, what do they do?
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voldothegr8 posted...

eston posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Why do liberals feel the need to force their believes upon the baker?

This all started because someone tried to buy a cake from someone who makes cakes

Not the point. People call foul for the baker "forcing his beliefs" when that's exactly what these crazies are trying to do to him when they could easily go to the next cake shop and ignore the bigot.

Okay. So you're saying that the law doesn't matter? That even though he's probably breaking the law by violating the civil rights of others, they should just ignore him?
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voldothegr8 posted...

Funkydog posted...

0TiamaT0 posted...

I was behind the baker the first time, and I am again, now.

You can live whatever lifestyle you want, but you have no right to force it on to others.

All this does is hurt the LGBT movement. The baker is going to win again, and they are they are just gong to look like idiots - again.

He didn't win before though?

And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then?

Why do liberals feel the need to force their believes upon the baker?

Insecurity
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EvoTech posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Funkydog posted...

0TiamaT0 posted...

I was behind the baker the first time, and I am again, now.

You can live whatever lifestyle you want, but you have no right to force it on to others.

All this does is hurt the LGBT movement. The baker is going to win again, and they are they are just gong to look like idiots - again.

He didn't win before though?

And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then?

Why do liberals feel the need to force their believes upon the baker?

Insecurity

Lmao. I believe I can eat a cake is controversial now?

*goes to Burger King*
Bigots: people name Mike do not have the right to drink soda!!! It is a well known belief!

Funkydog posted...

And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then?

The application of the word "force" is being used incorrectly. Nobody forced this person to go into this bakery. On the other hand, this person is trying to force this bakery to comply with his demands.

I have no hatred toward and fully respect LGBT, but it's quite easy to see who's being a shithead in this situation. I hope the courts don't set a precedent that people can just go to businesses and demand them to make something they don't want to make.

Getting upset at a bakery for not making a transgender cake is like getting upset at a video game manufacturer for not making a video game featuring a transgender as the main character. In other words, it's hardly worth getting upset about.
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HenryAllbright posted...

Funkydog posted...

And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then?

The application of the word "force" is being used incorrectly. Nobody forced this person to go into this bakery. On the other hand, this person is trying to force this bakery to comply with his demands.

I have no hatred toward and fully respect LGBT, but it's quite easy to see who's being a shithead in this situation. I hope the courts don't set a precedent that people can just go to businesses and demand them to make something they don't want to make.

Getting upset at a bakery for not making a transgender cake is like getting upset at a video game manufacturer for not making a video game featuring a transgender as the main character. In other words, it's hardly worth getting upset about.

What the fuck is a transgender cake? Is it a blue cake with a pink center? Or a cake shaped like a penis but that has ovary shaped bits inside?

Cake doesnt have a gender

And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are *all* bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word.
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gunplagirl posted...

Nazanir posted...

Why would someone go out of their way to inform someone they are trans?

Have you ever seen people order cakes before? "Yes can I get that Bob the builder birthday cake and can it say happy birthday Jimmy and can you give me one of those candles shaped like the number 5?" It's a detail that while it might be unnecessary to fulfill the order, still might come up naturally in the course of specifying the details of the order.

Isn't the point that you transition so you feel at right in the body you reside? What was the added value here, to make this statement, other than to rustle some jimmies?

You always preach tolerance, but are incredibly intolerant of other people's religion (except for Islam, funny enough).

The only jimmies rustled are those of the intolerant. And people's religious beliefs should never be allowed to supercede the civil rights of others. But do go on about how much you have to say Islam, it's awfully telling when people bring it up unprovoked.

So then I propose you the following conundrum:

Is the transgender person being intolerant of the shop's owner because of their religion?

Or is cake shop owner intolerant of transgender person's orientation?

Also, one thing I would like to note, do realize that if the transgender person just walked into the shop, ordered a cake and walked out, they could have been done with it. But yet, this person went out of their way to make it a point that the owner knew they were trans.
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HenryAllbright posted...

And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are *all* bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word.

The difference is there are degrees of bigotry.

I dont believe gay or trans people deserve to live in this planet therefore I cant bake a cake for them is pretty high up there.

SchoolForAnts posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

Funkydog posted...

And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then?

The application of the word "force" is being used incorrectly. Nobody forced this person to go into this bakery. On the other hand, this person is trying to force this bakery to comply with his demands.

I have no hatred toward and fully respect LGBT, but it's quite easy to see who's being a shithead in this situation. I hope the courts don't set a precedent that people can just go to businesses and demand them to make something they don't want to make.

Getting upset at a bakery for not making a transgender cake is like getting upset at a video game manufacturer for not making a video game featuring a transgender as the main character. In other words, it's hardly worth getting upset about.

What the fuck is a transgender cake? Is it a blue cake with a pink center? Or a cake shaped like a penis but that has ovary shaped bits inside?

Cake doesnt have a gender

Yes, language and stuff can be funny. Tons of people made the same comment during the original go around with the bakery refusing to serve a gay couple. "What's a gay wedding cake? It's just a cake!!!!" exclaimed thousands of people who thought they were being clever/witty.
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HenryAllbright posted...

Getting upset at a bakery for not making a transgender cake is like getting upset at a video game manufacturer for not making a video game featuring a transgender as the main character.

No, it's not. It's a bicolor cake and a relatively normal, off the shelf product. The customer was denied service either because it was intended to be used to celebrate something which made the producer feel uncomfortable, or because the customer themself was also someone who made the producer uncomfortable.

It's like a carrot farmer denying someone a carrot because they'll be shoving it up their ass. Identical product, different utilization by the consumer.
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Kavatar posted...

Just let that piece of shit fade into obscurity with his hateful views.

Big difference between non-acceptance and hate...So why so triggered? You're the one sounding hateful not this baker tbqh.
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iClockwork posted...

Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer.

Nope.

SchoolForAnts posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are *all* bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word.

The difference is there are degrees of bigotry.

I dont believe gay or trans people deserve to live in this planet therefore I cant bake a cake for them is pretty high up there.

Pushing for the government to force an individual to do something that adheres to your opinion is a higher form of bigotry than the individual refusing to do the thing that was asked of him in the first place. The application of force makes it higher order.
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HenryAllbright posted...

SchoolForAnts posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

Funkydog posted...

And why do religious people get to force their beliefs on others then?

The application of the word "force" is being used incorrectly. Nobody forced this person to go into this bakery. On the other hand, this person is trying to force this bakery to comply with his demands.

I have no hatred toward and fully respect LGBT, but it's quite easy to see who's being a shithead in this situation. I hope the courts don't set a precedent that people can just go to businesses and demand them to make something they don't want to make.

Getting upset at a bakery for not making a transgender cake is like getting upset at a video game manufacturer for not making a video game featuring a transgender as the main character. In other words, it's hardly worth getting upset about.

What the fuck is a transgender cake? Is it a blue cake with a pink center? Or a cake shaped like a penis but that has ovary shaped bits inside?

Cake doesnt have a gender

Yes, language and stuff can be funny. Tons of people made the same comment during the original go around with the bakery refusing to serve a gay couple. "What's a gay wedding cake? It's just a cake!!!!" exclaimed thousands of people who thought they were being clever/witty.

So you have two cakes.

Theyre both chocolate and say congratulations!

One is for a Westboro Baptist church protester who burns pikachu dolls and protest soldier funerals. One is for a an accountant that happens to be trans.

How are both cake different?

Mr_Karate_II posted...

Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?

Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not?
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HenryAllbright posted...

SchoolForAnts posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

And to those who are calling this baker a bigot, I really think you should reconsider your tactic of name calling and perhaps look at yourselves. We are *all* bigots to some degree. If you don't think you are, then you aren't looking hard enough at yourself or you don't understand the definition of the word.

The difference is there are degrees of bigotry.

I dont believe gay or trans people deserve to live in this planet therefore I cant bake a cake for them is pretty high up there.

Pushing for the government to force an individual to do something that adheres to your opinion is a higher form of bigotry than the individual refusing to do the thing that was asked of him in the first place. The application of force makes it higher order.

No.

artowen74 posted...

Mr_Karate_II posted...

Maybe he shouldn't have stupid religious beliefs?

Like beliefs that fuel one getting surgery to become something they're really not?

And where is that happening?

Nazanir posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Nazanir posted...

Why would someone go out of their way to inform someone they are trans?

Have you ever seen people order cakes before? "Yes can I get that Bob the builder birthday cake and can it say happy birthday Jimmy and can you give me one of those candles shaped like the number 5?" It's a detail that while it might be unnecessary to fulfill the order, still might come up naturally in the course of specifying the details of the order.

Isn't the point that you transition so you feel at right in the body you reside? What was the added value here, to make this statement, other than to rustle some jimmies?

You always preach tolerance, but are incredibly intolerant of other people's religion (except for Islam, funny enough).

The only jimmies rustled are those of the intolerant. And people's religious beliefs should never be allowed to supercede the civil rights of others. But do go on about how much you have to say Islam, it's awfully telling when people bring it up unprovoked.

So then I propose you the following conundrum:

Is the transgender person being intolerant of the shop's owner because of their religion?

Or is cake shop owner intolerant of transgender person's orientation?

Also, one thing I would like to note, do realize that if the transgender person just walked into the shop, ordered a cake and walked out, they could have been done with it. But yet, this person went out of their way to make it a point that the owner knew they were trans.

It's the cake shop owner being intolerant of the trans person, that's why he's the one being sued for discrimination. Again.

That's hardly a conundrum.

And did you pay attention to the details of the previous case against him, specifically how he found out that the wedding cake was for a gay marriage and how he responded when that detail was revealed? See, it's that he is fine serving people until he DOES find out, at which point he would discriminate based upon that knowledge that is the issue.
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This topic is such a great example of the Ctrl-Left's totalitarianism.
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OctilIery posted...

iClockwork posted...

Private businesses have the right to refuse any customer.

Nope.

Funny how now they say that. But when literal Nazis get banned from twitter or PayPal they weep