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FinaIFantasyV
12/17/18 3:49:11 PM
#151:


Eddv posted...
Well the women went from "diversity initiative" to "legitimately the best thing going" which is largely due to how big of a star and how quick of a study Ronda has been and Becky and Charlotte both REALLY elevating their games.

I mean Romans sudden retirement killed the mens divisions momentum dead but thats exposed what were already deadly fissures baked into how they have operated since transitioning away from Cena. They have absolutely no star power on the mens side and their best shot at having a star on Raw went out and shit the bed last night.

If theyre smart they'll let Ronda Main Event, move AJ!to Raw and try to rebuild around him. And thats ME saying that.


FTFY.

Am Drag as a heel isnt carrying a brand. AJ can
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Eddv
12/17/18 3:57:51 PM
#152:


Well you can build up babyfaces to challenge him.

As far as the male roster goes you're basically starting from scratch at this point.
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scarletspeed7
12/17/18 4:00:12 PM
#153:


Eddv posted...

Shes a good worker but I don't see Asuka/any of the other 3 as being on the same level as any of the other combos.

Honestly, good worker is the reason I think she matters to this group. Three good stars with 0 other decent talent is one thing. Adding that fourth workhorse to the mix is how you get a strong division. The next closest talent in terms of match potential is Natalya at this point.
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FinaIFantasyV
12/17/18 4:02:17 PM
#154:


Eddv posted...
Well you can build up babyfaces to challenge him.

As far as the male roster goes you're basically starting from scratch at this point.


On fucking Raw? No you cant....

Bring AJ to Raw and have him beat Brock and then beat the 6,000 heels on the show.

There is ONE major face on Raw, and Raw can5 build anyone at all, let alone multiple for people to beat.

Heel Am Drag can carry SDL. Not Raw.. not with that creative
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Eddv
12/17/18 4:04:18 PM
#155:


FinaIFantasyV posted...
Eddv posted...
Well you can build up babyfaces to challenge him.

As far as the male roster goes you're basically starting from scratch at this point.


On fucking Raw? No you cant....

Bring AJ to Raw and have him beat Brock and then beat the 6,000 heels on the show.

There is ONE major face on Raw, and Raw can5 build anyone at all, let alone multiple for people to beat.

Heel Am Drag can carry SDL. Not Raw.. not with that creative


Ok but come with me a moment - Evolution only their main goal is preaching evolution instead of creationism led by Daniel Bryan.
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FinaIFantasyV
12/17/18 4:07:23 PM
#156:


Eddv posted...
FinaIFantasyV posted...
Eddv posted...
Well you can build up babyfaces to challenge him.

As far as the male roster goes you're basically starting from scratch at this point.


On fucking Raw? No you cant....

Bring AJ to Raw and have him beat Brock and then beat the 6,000 heels on the show.

There is ONE major face on Raw, and Raw can5 build anyone at all, let alone multiple for people to beat.

Heel Am Drag can carry SDL. Not Raw.. not with that creative


Ok but come with me a moment - Evolution only their main goal is preaching evolution instead of creationism led by Daniel Bryan.


Im all for this amazing idea. Now tell me who on Raw we are trusting with this?
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Lopen
12/17/18 4:14:55 PM
#157:


Eddv posted...
Well the women went from "diversity initiative" to "legitimately the best thing going" which is largely due to how big of a star and how quick of a study Ronda has been and Becky and Charlotte both REALLY elevating their games.


My point is I think in terms of influence it'd be "everything else on the show tanking that much that a decent women's division is the highlight" > "WWE's token effort to make you believe they're taking things seriously with actual main event slots once in a while" > "the actual quality of the division"

I mean it's probably the best it's ever been but only slightly so. I wouldn't say it's off on an island compared to 2016 or 2017. And put it another way if WWE were actually Women's Wrestling Entertainment I wouldn't watch it, currently. Well I scarcely watch WWE as it is so that should go without saying.

That being said I wish they would actually use their abundance of money and frivolous hirings to hire enough good women's hands to flesh out the divisions a bit instead of giving the same handful of mix and match matches ad nauseam. Like they just don't have enough competent women to match the amount of exposure they give them, currently, and them feeling like a highlight is a symptom of the show being bad as much as anything. That's just how I feel, though.
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Eddv
12/17/18 4:18:38 PM
#158:


FinaIFantasyV posted...
Eddv posted...
FinaIFantasyV posted...
Eddv posted...
Well you can build up babyfaces to challenge him.

As far as the male roster goes you're basically starting from scratch at this point.


On fucking Raw? No you cant....

Bring AJ to Raw and have him beat Brock and then beat the 6,000 heels on the show.

There is ONE major face on Raw, and Raw can5 build anyone at all, let alone multiple for people to beat.

Heel Am Drag can carry SDL. Not Raw.. not with that creative


Ok but come with me a moment - Evolution only their main goal is preaching evolution instead of creationism led by Daniel Bryan.


Im all for this amazing idea. Now tell me who on Raw we are trusting with this?


Thats the beauty of it - the TALENT isnt the issue.

Just their exposure and characters.

Literally just grab that first 8 guys who show up one day and rebuild your program.
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FinaIFantasyV
12/17/18 4:20:24 PM
#159:


Eddv posted...
FinaIFantasyV posted...
Eddv posted...
FinaIFantasyV posted...
Eddv posted...
Well you can build up babyfaces to challenge him.

As far as the male roster goes you're basically starting from scratch at this point.


On fucking Raw? No you cant....

Bring AJ to Raw and have him beat Brock and then beat the 6,000 heels on the show.

There is ONE major face on Raw, and Raw can5 build anyone at all, let alone multiple for people to beat.

Heel Am Drag can carry SDL. Not Raw.. not with that creative


Ok but come with me a moment - Evolution only their main goal is preaching evolution instead of creationism led by Daniel Bryan.


Im all for this amazing idea. Now tell me who on Raw we are trusting with this?


Thats the beauty of it - the TALENT isnt the issue.

Just their exposure and characters.

Literally just grab that first 8 guys who show up one day and rebuild your program.



Youre not understanding me....

Who on Raw CREATIVE are we trusting with this fucking awesome idea?
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Eddv
12/17/18 4:22:15 PM
#160:


Lopen posted...

That being said I wish they would actually use their abundance of money and frivolous hirings to hire enough good women's hands to flesh out the divisions a bit instead of giving the same handful of mix and match matches ad nauseam.


I mean there are women on the main roster who arent unsalvageable like Ruby Riott, the IIconics and Bayley.

Rush along a couple people Like Chelsea Green Deonna Purazzo and Mia Yim and theyll have the warm bodies.

It's just a matter of making the decision to de emphasize the men (and cutting some of the roster spots they occupy) and give that talent a chance to get over.
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Eddv
12/17/18 4:23:02 PM
#161:


FinaIFantasyV posted...
Youre not understanding me....

Who on Raw CREATIVE are we trusting with this fucking awesome idea?


Are you expecting me to have the WWE creative room rosters in front of me or something?
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FinaIFantasyV
12/17/18 4:27:13 PM
#162:


Eddv posted...
FinaIFantasyV posted...
Youre not understanding me....

Who on Raw CREATIVE are we trusting with this fucking awesome idea?


Are you expecting me to have the WWE creative room rosters in front of me or something?


Fair....

How about this....

If HHH isnt in the room... is there ANYONE EVEN POTENTIALLY IN THE RAW CREATIVE MEETING YOUD TRUST?!

I have no issue with Am Drag. Obviously.

Raw can not build a face. At least long enough to matter. When is the last time any face on Raw got over for a long time? Sasha? When is the last time a male got over huge on Raw? Ryback?
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Lopen
12/17/18 4:28:57 PM
#163:


I agree there are some decent women that aren't being used but I think even if you use all of them there still isn't enough to fit the amount of exposure they're trying to give it.

Especially when it's diluted with the abundance of bad/meh women they have.

I suppose you could call up Kairi Sane and Io Shirai and Shayna Baszler and Toni Storm they'd be a lot closer to where they need to be but yeah.
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Tom Bombadil
12/17/18 4:31:25 PM
#164:


hey you know who could probably add something to creative

matt hardy
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Eddv
12/17/18 4:38:15 PM
#165:


FinaIFantasyV posted...
When is the last time a male got over huge on Raw? Ryback?


Strowman.

Like if you're gonna count Ryback you gotta count Strowman this time last year.
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 5:16:21 PM
#166:


MWC you should apply for that writer assistant job
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NBIceman
12/17/18 5:30:37 PM
#167:


Jakyl25 posted...
MWC you should apply for that writer assistant job

I can see it now.

Some low level team member innocently suggests a story than involves Alexa Bliss winning a match and MWC immediately flies into a spittle-spewing blind rage, demanding to know how many times she had to sleep with the guy to get him to say that.
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Hardcore_Adult
12/17/18 5:38:16 PM
#168:


^ Well, at least it beats him going on about Lebron.
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FinaIFantasyV
12/17/18 6:51:14 PM
#169:


Jakyl25 posted...
MWC you should apply for that writer assistant job


Cant imagine me being in close vicinity repeatedly with Vince is a great idea
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 7:33:18 PM
#170:


Or maybe its the GREATEST idea
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NBIceman
12/17/18 8:00:47 PM
#171:


So, ROH seems to be banking their future on the relatively slim pickings of "stars" left on the indies.

Marty Scurll - Doesn't do much for me. I've seen him have a great match with exactly two wrestlers in his career and they're the two best wrestlers on Earth. But he's undoubtedly over, especially with the current ROH crowd, so I guess there's worse guys to have. Problem is, I don't know what guarantee you could have that he's not gonna follow his buddies to their new promotion when his contract's up in a couple months.

Brody King - Haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion, honestly.

PCO - The PCO career resurgence train is losing steam quickly, if you ask me. But I guess they may as well get what they can out of him.

Jeff Cobb - Really like him. Of the guys they have signed, this is the one I'd build around if I was them.

Jay Briscoe - Just speculating here, but I wouldn't be surprised if they go back to this well. Don't have a good feel for how it'd go. The Briscoes are probably my all time favorite tag team, but they may be approaching the twilight of their career too.

Flip Gordon - They're certainly building him, but they might have taken too long. By the time he'll really be ready for his big top of the card push, his contract may be almost up and he could easily follow Scurll out the door to All Elite or whatever that thing's gonna be called.

Jonathan Gresham - ... I guess? He's got a decent following among the section of wrestling fans that ROH probably needs to go after at this point, but I don't think I see him as a main eventer.

Mark Haskins - New signing, my favorite UK wrestler not named Will Ospreay. Is he a money-drawing wrestler at the top of the card, though? I think he could be, but they've gotta get there through his awesome ring work and that doesn't seem to be the ROH MO these days. Plus, his injuries are a major concern. The only reason he hasn't been scooped up by someone else is because he's basically held together by tape and who knows how many surgeries.

Bandido - New signing, not super high on him personally. Like many lucha wrestlers, I find him kind of sloppy and unrefined a lot of times. But he's over as hell everywhere he goes, and he's the most innovative guy out there right now, so they could certainly have something with him.

There's a looooot of question marks on that list.

I don't understand why ROH hasn't backed up a dump truck of money to David Starr's house yet. Great worker, great talker, can play face and heel equally well and wrestle in pretty much any style... I get that he's kind of obnoxious on Twitter sometimes but in the days of every indie star getting scooped up by greener pastures, he seems like the kind of guy you should lock up and build your entire product (no pun intended) around.
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scarletspeed7
12/17/18 8:03:08 PM
#172:


They're trying to pick up Flamita too.
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 8:06:23 PM
#173:


Remember when Triple H came out to relieve Vince of his duties

SEVEN YEARS AGO

And yet here we are
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 8:08:08 PM
#174:


This is SO DUMB
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RaidenGarai
12/17/18 8:09:16 PM
#175:


Vince listens to the fans. Thats a good one.
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 8:10:21 PM
#176:


LOL THEY ARE BASKING IN BOOS FOR CORBIN REPRESENTING THEIR OWN FAILURES

Fuck this company
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 8:13:27 PM
#177:


https://twitter.com/trevordame/status/1074464995465805824?s=21

It's amazing that Vince McMahon is setting himself up to be the hero tomorrow by firing Corbin. It's like when you're a kid and you make up an imaginary friend to blame your juice spills on, except it's actually going to fucking work.


100%
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RaidenGarai
12/17/18 8:13:54 PM
#178:


Eddv posted...
FinaIFantasyV posted...
When is the last time a male got over huge on Raw? Ryback?


Strowman.

Like if you're gonna count Ryback you gotta count Strowman this time last year.


Definitely Strowman. They didnt run with it because Roman so its realy their own fault that they havent built up any new stars.
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RaidenGarai
12/17/18 8:15:55 PM
#179:


It looked like Corbin was trying not to laugh at Trips there.
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 8:18:29 PM
#180:


Why are Shane and Triple H friends
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 8:20:35 PM
#181:


Why are Angle and Triple H friends
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bryans7
12/17/18 8:22:41 PM
#182:


Jakyl25 posted...
Why


The Monday Night Raw motto.
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StealThisSheen
12/17/18 8:23:02 PM
#183:


Maybe the fresh start is really the friends they've made along the way
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 8:24:27 PM
#184:


Like, I expected some bullshit

But I sure as hell didnt expect NOTHING TO HAPPEN
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RaidenGarai
12/17/18 8:25:16 PM
#185:


Jakyl25 posted...
Why are Shane and Triple H friends


3MR?
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ZeroSignal620
12/17/18 8:25:40 PM
#186:


We're the authority?

Becky vs Brock at Wrestlemania. Time for The Man to become Universal Champion
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 8:26:13 PM
#187:


Reminder that this crowd has to sit through a second Raw after this one
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NBIceman
12/17/18 8:27:57 PM
#188:


scarletspeed7 posted...
They're trying to pick up Flamita too.

I mean, that's nice I guess, but Flamita looks like he's already resigned himself to his fat luchadore years.
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 8:29:32 PM
#189:


Why does Shane have power on Raw?
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StealThisSheen
12/17/18 8:30:22 PM
#190:


Jakyl25 posted...
Why does Shane have power on Raw?


They actually did explain that one. All four have power on both shows! Aren't you excited?!
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RaidenGarai
12/17/18 8:30:32 PM
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Nameless2000
12/17/18 8:30:33 PM
#192:


I was expecting the shake-up to be something related to a draft or letting Raw people show up on SD but it's literally just "we're listening"
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bryans7
12/17/18 8:30:44 PM
#193:


This has been going on a half hour.
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 8:31:19 PM
#194:


StealThisSheen posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Why does Shane have power on Raw?


They actually did explain that one. All four have power on both shows! Aren't you excited?!


...why do we have a brand split then?
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 8:33:28 PM
#195:


Oh god its a NEW ERA

Does this mean the 2016 NEW ERA is finally over?
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StealThisSheen
12/17/18 8:33:42 PM
#196:


Jakyl25 posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Why does Shane have power on Raw?


They actually did explain that one. All four have power on both shows! Aren't you excited?!


...why do we have a brand split then?


Because the superstars have decidedly less power and must be segregated.
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 8:43:38 PM
#197:


Odd thought upon seeing Ziggler

Seth is probably unequivocally the main roster WotY

But he also had probably the two most unwatchable matches of the year
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 8:53:42 PM
#198:


YESS RUN-INS LEADING TO DQS

They really gave me what I wanted!!
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Jakyl25
12/17/18 8:59:23 PM
#199:


I dont understand this Dean character AT ALL

Does anyone?
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RaidenGarai
12/17/18 9:00:46 PM
#200:


Pretty sure Renee was just asked about her sex life with Dean.
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