Board 8 > ^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Princess - Nominations

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Oh! I forgot thats what her name was lol. Silly me.

Irene (Princess and the Goblin)
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Lachesis
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Yes!

Tyris Flare (Golden Axe)
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Glimmer (She-ra: Princesses of Power)
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Kidagakash Nedakh (Atlantis: The Lost Empire)
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In Contest (100):

Allura (Trapt)
Anastasia Romanov (Anastasia)
Anastasia Romanov (Shadow Hearts)
Anna (Frozen)
Anri (Shining Force)
Ariel (The Little Mermaid)
Arya Stark (Game of Thrones)
Ashelia B'nargin Dalmasca (Final Fantasy)
Aurora (Sleeping Beauty)
Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
Bean (Disenchantment)
Belle (Beauty and the Beast)
Blaze the Cat (Sonic Rush)
Bonibel Bubblegum (Adventure Time)
Buttercup (The Princess Bride)
Camilla (Fire Emblem)
Celica (Fire Emblem)
Cinderella (Cinderella)
Daisy (Super Mario)
Dejah Thoris (John Carter)
Eilonwy (The Black Cauldron)
Eirika (Fire Emblem)
Elena (Street Fighter)
Elincia Ridell Crimea (Fire Emblem)
Elise (Fire Emblem)
Emily Kaldwin (Dishonored)
Euphemia li Britannia (Code Geass)
Eowyn (Lord of the Rings)
Farah (Prince of Persia)
Faris Scherwiz (Final Fantasy)
Fiona (Shrek)
Flame Princess (Adventure Time)
Garnet til Alexandros XVII (Final Fantasy)
Hilda (Legend of Zelda)
Hildegard von Krone (Soulcalibur)
Iolande (DC Comics)
Irene (Princess and the Goblin)
Jasmine (Aladdin)
Kaguya (The Tale of Princess Kaguya)
Kaguya Houraisan (Touhou)
Kairi (Kingdom Hearts)
Kairi Sane (WWE)
Kasumi (Dead or Alive)
Kidagakash Nedakh (Atlantis: The Lost Empire)
Kitana (Mortal Kombat)
Klaudia von Auslese (Trails in the Sky)
Kumatora (Mother 3)
L'Arachel (Fire Emblem)
Leia Organa (Star Wars)
Lissa (Fire Emblem)
Lucina (Fire Emblem)
Lumpy Space Princess (Adventure Time)
Luna (My Little Pony)
Lymsleia Falenas (Suikoden V)
Marle (Chrono Trigger)
Melia Antiqua (Xenoblade)
Merida (Brave)
Mia Thermopolis (The Princess Diaries)
Midna (Legend of Zelda)
Mint (Threads of Fate)
Moana Waialiki (Moana)
Morrigan Aensland (Darkstalkers)
Natalia L.K. Lanvaldear (Tales of the Abyss)
Nausicaa (Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind)
Nefertari Vivi (One Piece)
Neytiri Te Tskaha Mo'at'ite (Avatar)
Noa (Legend of Legaia)
Odette (Swan Lake)
Peach (Super Mario Bros)
Pocahontas (Pocahontas)
Princess Kenny (South Park)
Princess Whats Her Name (Earthworm Jim)
Rapunzel (Tangled)
Remedy (Princess Remedy in a World of Hurt)
Rosalina (Super Mario Galaxy)
Rozalin (Disgaea)
Ruto (Legend of Zelda)
Sailor Moon (Sailor Moon)
Sally Acorn (Sonic)
San (Princess Mononoke)
Schala (Chrono Trigger)
She-ra (She-ra: Princesses of Power)
Shireen Baratheon (Game of Thrones)
Shuri (Marvel Comics)
Silk Fox (Jade Empire)
Star Butterfly (Star vs. the Forces of Evil)
Starfire (DC Comics)
Tess Greymane (World of Warcraft)
Tiana (Princess and the Frog)
Twlilght Sparkle (My Little Pony)
Tyris Flare (Golden Axe)
Vanellope von Schweetz (Wreck-it-Ralph)
Vespa (Spaceballs)
Wendy (Rule of Rose)
Wendy O. Koopa (Super Mario Bros)
Wonder Woman (DC Comics)
Xena (Xena: Warrior Princess)
Yuffie Kisaragi (Final Fantasy)
Yuyuko Saigyouji (Touhou)
Zelda (Legend of Zelda)

2 nominations:

Ann (Roman Holiday)
Arianne Martell (A Song of Ice and Fire)
Azura (Fire Emblem: Fates)
Ella (Ella Enchanted)
Estellise Sidos Heurassein (Tales of Vesperia)
Glimmer (She-ra: Princesses of Power)
Mipha (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)
Myrcella Baratheon (A Song of Ice and Fire)
Pippi Longstocking (Pippi Longstocking)
Rayfa (Ace Attorney: Spirit of Justice)
Sansa Stark (Game of Thrones)
Sonia the Hedgehog (Sonic Underground)
Sonia Nevermind (Danganronpa 2)
Snivy (Pokepark 2)
Tana (Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones)
Ursula (Final Fantasy IV The After Years)
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1 nomination:

Adena (Yu-Gi-Oh!)
Alfin Reise Arnor (Trails of Cold Steel)
Alita (Murder Princess)
Carmella (WWE)
Doctor Poison (DC Comics)
Elia Martell (Game of Thrones)
Elise (Sonic 06)
Emma Swan (Once Upon a Time)
Fat Princess (Fat Princess)
Fiona (Chronicles of Amber)
Isabella (Gallivant)
Ivy (Xanth)
Kisa the Cat (Kisa the Cat)
Kumatora (Mother 3)
Kurda (Triss)
Lachesis (Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War)
Lada Dracul (The Conqueror's Saga)
Leanne (Fire Emblem 9/10)
Marie (Rhythm Thief and the Emperor's Treasure)
Mermista (She-ra: Princesses of Power)
Millian (Bomberman Hero)
Miyu (Vampire Princess Miyu)
Ovelia Atkascha (Final Fantasy Tactics)
Prin Prin (Ghosts 'n Goblins)
Rosalinda Montoya Fiore (Princess Protection Program)
Rurichiyo Kasumioji (Bleach)
Sarah Cornelia (Mobius Final Fantasy)
Scorpia (She-ra: Princesses of Power)
Snow White (Snow White)
Susannah, Duchess of Beaumont (Black Mirror)
Tetra (The Legend of Zelda: The WInd Waker)
The Princess (The Princess and the Pea)
Winnifred "Fred" (Once Upon a Matress)
Yuki (Onimusha: Warlords)
Yuki (The Hidden Fortress)
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Kumatora actually has 3
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Glimmer (She-ra: Princesses of Power)
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Sonia Nevermind
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Glimmer (She-ra: Princesses of Power)
Mermista (She-ra: Princesses of Power)
Sapphire (Princess Knight)
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Yeah, that's the tentative list, though almost certainly there's at least 1 or 2 DQs right off the bat. But I'm busy in a game, so I'll leave it here as usual for you guys to begin the debate over whom isn't an actual princess by my definition.

Nominations may continue to fill those vacant spots as they become available; first come first serve.
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Stark Girls are iffy, and Emily Kaldwin is the Empress now and not a princess, half the series' worth of not being a princess.
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Yuffie is not a real princess, that's just a nickname.

I restate my objection to Arya
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Was a nom for Rayfa missed? I didn't nominate her myself because she appeared to have the 3 she needed.
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I love Kairi Sane but she's out for sure under this definition.
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Mipha
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Kairi is absolutely a princess. She's been referred to as such by both Shayna (her biggest opponent) and William Regal. She also has a constituency that produces plundered treasure which she brings to the ring at times.
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Wendy Koopa probably doesn't count. Her being Bowser's daughter got retconned once Bowser Jr. showed up.

Not that it really matters, but you skipped over my Lachesis nom, so she should be in 2 noms.
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Luis_Sera89 posted...

Was a nom for Rayfa missed? I didn't nominate her myself because she appeared to have the 3 she needed.

Yeah she already had one before Dragon and I nominated her. She should be in.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Stark Girls are iffy, and Emily Kaldwin is the Empress now and not a princess, half the series' worth of not being a princess.

That's fairly lol, I would say given the series is 2 games and in the entirety if the first game she's a princess.

If you have to note (Dishonored 1) so be it.
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man this nomination day was so different than it normally is. hardly anything got stuck at 1 or 2 noms. like we just agreed about what should be in.
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I have a problem with both Kairi characters...

On the one hand, one is not a princess of anything. It's a moniker or title the game gives her because Disney. Princesses have to be the princess of something to qualify, and I don't know what she's the princess of.

On the other, while I usually think it's a good idea to allow gimmick characters from wrestling into KotM, I'm unsure of this really. I need some videos or something referencing her actually playing the character of a princess rather than it being a cute title that was made up. It's kinda like someone nominating Billy Gunn into Save My Outlaw right now.

I also don't know about Xena, frankly. She's not the princess of anything either.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Kairi is absolutely a princess. She's been referred to as such by both Shayna (her biggest opponent) and William Regal. She also has a constituency that produces plundered treasure which she brings to the ring at times.

This just seems like a regular pirate captain - not sure that really qualifies her as royalty. Are we to understand that there's a Pirate King and Queen and some manner of royal succession? Because otherwise it just seems like a meaningless title used to describe a leadership status or position that could easily be represented by a half dozen other words. I'll admit that I don't watch NXT, though, so without knowing the exact contexts of all this I can't say for sure.

Kingdom Hearts Kairi is a weird one too. Was she technically considered the princess of Radiant Garden at some point? Alice was a Princess of Heart, too, but she wasn't the princess of Wonderland. And I don't even know if they've referred to her as a Princess of Heart except in passing since the first game. It was a huge part of her character back then, which is a point in her favor, but it's played little to no part in the story since that I can remember.
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Yeah the stipulation that this be a hereditary title really puts the stymy on some of these.

To that end I would like to posit, much as it pains me, that Princess Buttercup needs reviewed.

She is a Princess only by way of her (presumed) marriage to Prince Humperdink which never actually occurs.
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Xena is the Princess of any all of the lands of HER CONQUERED ENEMIES from back when she was a feared all powerful warlord.

You can be the Princess of anything you conquer. The logic is rock solid.
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That's not what the word princess means.
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Sure it does. She can't actually be the acting ruler of the area she conquers otherwise she'd have to actually rule it, hence why she's not. But she is heir to ruling it whenever she wishes to be because it's her right as the conqueror.

Supporting evidence the Hercules the Legendary Journeys episode Armageddon Now where the timeline gets altered and Xena is effectively the queen of earth because she's conquered it all and decides to settle down and actually rule the land she has the right to.
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But again, that's a queen. A princess is the daughter of a king or queen and is a totally different kind of character.
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I'm saying she's functionally a princess in that she has right to rule over lands, but is not the current acting ruler. That's what a princess is. Her "throne" is the areas she's conquered over time but has not chosen to because she's busy conquering other stuff.

The alternate timeline is what happens when she eventually takes the right of her throne and the natural proceeding if she's not redeemed and stopped from conquering everything.

It's not princess by hereditary right but I don't see why that matters. She takes the title of princess by force from the lands she conquers, biding her time to actually exercise her ruling right until she's ready, which never actually happens in the normal timeline but that she becomes queen of earth even in an alternate timeline illustrates that she was functionally the princess of the land she conquered for a while.
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Here's my list so far:

Kairi: Just isn't the kind of princess that belongs in this contest, in my opinion. Doesn't have a kingdom and isn't the princess of Radiant Garden unless she's the daughter of Ansem the Wise and we learn that in KH3. Unless that happens, and the game isn't out so it can't for this contest, she just isn't a princess.

Status: Out

Kairi Sane: Wrestling gimmicks are difficult. I regretted my decision to not allow Jerry Lawler and King Booker into royalty, because both actually present themselves as kings and have had storylines related to being kings. No, they didn't actually rule over a land on screen but I still felt I was wrong to not include them. In this case, I just don't know if it's in the same boat. I allowed Paul Burchill into pirates because he definitely thought he was one. With Kairi, from what I've seen, there isn't a lot of show for the "princess" part of her character. It seems more like a nickname to me. The pirate part seems more important, if anything. Carmella would have been easier to DQ, but I still don't know about this.

Status: Leaning Out

Xena: Not really the princess of anything sort of defiles the contest. Just because she has a more well-known princess moniker than Kairi shouldn't give her a free pass. It's very murky water, because from all the research I've done to keep her in, it really seems like she isn't the kind of princess all these other characters are.

Status: Undecided

Buttercup: Murky to me and I need some help. I confess, I have never seen this film or read the book it's based. From some quick reading, it seems this character is a farm girl who is forced to marry a prince, which of course would make her a princess. She seems often referred to as princess despite the fact that she apparently never actually marries the prince, and by the end of the film is most assuredly not a princess. It's difficult for me to say, not having seen the film.

Status: Undecided

As such, the list remains the same except Kairi is replaced by Rayfa whom I apparently missed.
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Yeah I REALLY think Emily Kaldwin should be out. By any definition, she is no longer a princess. She stops being a princess in the first game and all three of its DLCs, and she isn't a princess in the second game and its big DLC. She's actually a princess about a third of the time she's the empress.
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Also, Kairi Sane is a Pirate Princess in the same way that Elizabeth Swann is the Pirate King in PotC. And again, she hasn't been around in her gimmick as long as some of the easier inclusions, but it's clear that by the announcing and the GM and even her top opponent, she's a pirate princess.

The question is, if Elizabeth Swann had been named the Pirate Princess by the court instead of Pirate King, would you have included her?
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I think you're over complicating things in general, despite my technicality arguing for Xena.

If someone is known as a princess they should be in, even if it's not your cliche type. If it's like something they're often called like "hey princess" or a moniker that's just a minor non-defining nickname like Carmella's "Princess of Staten Island" not so much.

Like it's not like the title of princess is some sort of thing that inherently has any sort of value. It's just that, a title. Kairi Sane is "the Pirate Princess" and Kairi is a Princess of Light or Heart or whatever the crap she is and Xena is a Warrior Princess. That should be enough.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Also, Kairi Sane is a Pirate Princess in the same way that Elizabeth Swann is the Pirate King in PotC. And again, she hasn't been around in her gimmick as long as some of the easier inclusions, but it's clear that by the announcing and the GM and even her top opponent, she's a pirate princess.

The question is, if Elizabeth Swann had been named the Pirate Princess by the court instead of Pirate King, would you have included her?

To me, the fact that Elizabeth could've been given several other titles that would've meant exactly the same thing (Pirate Princess, Pirate Queen, Pirate Leader, etc.) is a good example that a purely figurative title of Princess shouldn't be included.
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Is it figurative? Because Pocahontas isn't a princess. She was given that by outside marketing. At least Elizabeth's "figurative" title comes with a specific lordship and rule over a specific domain. Kairi has the same rule of a virtually identical domain.
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I would honestly argue against Pocahontas (and other Disney "Princesses" that aren't actual royalty) being in too, but I think that's a battle I'd lose.

Like, would you put Elizabeth into a King category? Because that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Also, Kairi Sane is a Pirate Princess in the same way that Elizabeth Swann is the Pirate King in PotC. And again, she hasn't been around in her gimmick as long as some of the easier inclusions, but it's clear that by the announcing and the GM and even her top opponent, she's a pirate princess.

The question is, if Elizabeth Swann had been named the Pirate Princess by the court instead of Pirate King, would you have included her?

Elizabeth Swann acts as the leader of the pirates, is officially elected as the king in the third film and there's a whole scene about it in the movie... I think it's a lot different than dressing up and having people start calling you princess.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Yeah I REALLY think Emily Kaldwin should be out. By any definition, she is no longer a princess. She stops being a princess in the first game and all three of its DLCs, and she isn't a princess in the second game and its big DLC. She's actually a princess about a third of the time she's the empress.

If she's a princess for an entire game it's good enough honestly. I mean, when I say "better known as" I mean like Elsa, who was a princess for a few minutes in Frozen.
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Lopen posted...

I think you're over complicating things in general, despite my technicality arguing for Xena.

If someone is known as a princess they should be in, even if it's not your cliche type. If it's like something they're often called like "hey princess" or a moniker that's just a minor non-defining nickname like Carmella's "Princess of Staten Island" not so much.

Like it's not like the title of princess is some sort of thing that inherently has any sort of value. It's just that, a title. Kairi Sane is "the Pirate Princess" and Kairi is a Princess of Light or Heart or whatever the crap she is and Xena is a Warrior Princess. That should be enough.

How is "The Pirate Princess" better than "Princess of Staten Island" though? Show me some actual USE of the gimmick in a video. I keep asking for it.
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Princess of Staten Island isn't really her gimmick it's just a name.

Kairi Sane's gimmick literally is "the Pirate Princess." I'm not versed enough in NXT to be able to easily source a video where she does much with the gimmick (it may not exist because she doesn't speak good English yet and NXT isn't big on the gimmick hype packages anyway) but she comes out wearing pirate garb billed that and carrying a pirate chest. Carmella... just wears cool shoes and calls herself that once in a while. She'd better fit "save my Investor" because she's also Miss Money In The Bank.

Also while we're on Elizabeth Swann I believe the in-universe justification for Xena being called Warrior Princess is her band of warlords she rules over gave her that name. So if Elizabeth being Pirate King is acceptable because the Pirates called her that I don't see why Xena being called a Warrior Princess isn't. She probably has rights to rule more than Elizabeth ever did.
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but she comes out wearing pirate garb billed that and carrying a pirate chest.

This certainly makes her a pirate and I don't think anyone would've argued against her if she'd been nominated for Pirates.
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v_charon posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

Yeah I REALLY think Emily Kaldwin should be out. By any definition, she is no longer a princess. She stops being a princess in the first game and all three of its DLCs, and she isn't a princess in the second game and its big DLC. She's actually a princess about a third of the time she's the empress.

If she's a princess for an entire game it's good enough honestly. I mean, when I say "better known as" I mean like Elsa, who was a princess for a few minutes in Frozen.

She appears for like 20 total minutes in the first game and she's a playable main character in the second.
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NBIceman posted...

This certainly makes her a pirate and I don't think anyone would've argued against her if she'd been nominated for Pirates.

Well the chest is supposedly her royal treasure or something I don't know

I mean Princess is a worthless title anyway which is kinda my point so I don't know why this of all categories you'd be strict on

Princess is "that title the author gives a female character when they want them to have the appearance of being royal or revered in some way with none of the actual responsibilities." It has no actual defining characteristics. It's a meaningless formal title that at some point possibly becomes a more useful title.
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Arya is definitely not a princess.
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NBIceman posted...

but she comes out wearing pirate garb billed that and carrying a pirate chest.

This certainly makes her a pirate and I don't think anyone would've argued against her if she'd been nominated for Pirates.

Exactly this. I'd probably have not questioned her in pirates, but for this one, she literally is just called a princess and has no obvious signs she is one.

Pokewars posted...

Arya is definitely not a princess.

Debatable. Robb being King of the North basically made her one because he said so. She's not really associated with the title at all though and it doesn't really fit in with her character arc. I'd be willing to remove her.

scarletspeed7 posted...

She appears for like 20 total minutes in the first game and she's a playable main character in the second.

I can see your point, but an entire game (especially the first one) is nothing to just throw away. It's up for debate I guess.
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v_charon posted...

Buttercup: Murky to me and I need some help. I confess, I have never seen this film or read the book it's based. From some quick reading, it seems this character is a farm girl who is forced to marry a prince, which of course would make her a princess. She seems often referred to as princess despite the fact that she apparently never actually marries the prince, and by the end of the film is most assuredly not a princess. It's difficult for me to say, not having seen the film.

The book says that the king made Buttercup princess of some random part of the kingdom because the prince couldn't be allowed to marry a commoner. So she is a princess of a piece of land from a legal perspective, at least. There's not much detail on it though, as it's one of the parts skipped in the "abridged version".
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v_charon posted...

Debatable. Robb being King of the North basically made her one because he said so. She's not really associated with the title at all though and it doesn't really fit in with her character arc. I'd be willing to remove her.

Robb made Bran a prince. He never gave any title to Arya, which was probably because everyone thought she was like, dead. And Robb was killed by the time Arya even made it anywhere near him.
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v_charon posted...

NBIceman posted...

but she comes out wearing pirate garb billed that and carrying a pirate chest.

This certainly makes her a pirate and I don't think anyone would've argued against her if she'd been nominated for Pirates.

Exactly this. I'd probably have not questioned her in pirates, but for this one, she literally is just called a princess and has no obvious signs she is one.

Pokewars posted...

Arya is definitely not a princess.

Debatable. Robb being King of the North basically made her one because he said so. She's not really associated with the title at all though and it doesn't really fit in with her character arc. I'd be willing to remove her.

scarletspeed7 posted...

She appears for like 20 total minutes in the first game and she's a playable main character in the second.

I can see your point, but an entire game (especially the first one) is nothing to just throw away. It's up for debate I guess.

She's not a princess at the end of the first one, or its DLCs. So it's not an entire game.
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