Board 8 > ^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Princess - Nominations

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scarletspeed7 11/18/18 3:25:06 PM #202:	Also if you're called princess by both heel and face announcers, the GM, and your opponents, that doesn't make it fact? Friends, enemies, and authorities all state she is such. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912624757] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>Also if you're called princess by both heel and face announcers, the GM, and your opponents, that doesn't make it fact? Friends, enemies, and authorities all state she is such.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 11/18/18 3:26:14 PM #203:	Everyone still calls Shawn Michaels the Heartbreak Kid and I don't think I'd allow him in Save my Kid. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:912624829] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>Everyone still calls Shawn Michaels the Heartbreak Kid and I don't think I'd allow him in Save my Kid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 11/18/18 3:26:52 PM #204:	v_charon posted... Everyone still calls Shawn Michaels the Heartbreak Kid and I don't think I'd allow him in Save my Kid. SHAWN! SHAWN! SHAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN! --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:912624862] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>v_charon posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone still calls Shawn Michaels the Heartbreak Kid and I don't think I'd allow him in Save my Kid.</quote> SHAWN! SHAWN! SHAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NBIceman 11/18/18 3:28:03 PM #205:	scarletspeed7 posted... Also if you're called princess by both heel and face announcers, the GM, and your opponents, that doesn't make it fact? Friends, enemies, and authorities all state she is such. Doesn't pretty much everyone also call Roman Reigns "The Big Dog?" Would you nominate him for Save My Dog? --- https://imgur.com/UYamul2 Spurs - Yankees - Eagles - Golden Knights <cite>NBIceman posted [p:912624931] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>Also if you're called princess by both heel and face announcers, the GM, and your opponents, that doesn't make it fact? Friends, enemies, and authorities all state she is such.</quote> Doesn't pretty much everyone also call Roman Reigns "The Big Dog?" Would you nominate him for Save My Dog?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/18/18 3:29:46 PM #206:	v_charon posted... Everyone still calls Shawn Michaels the Heartbreak Kid and I don't think I'd allow him in Save my Kid. They don't also make reference to him as an actual kid in promos and mention it as an aspect of the their opponent. Also, if your being obtuse on purpose fine but kid is used in the sense of a cowboy, ie: The Two-time Kid or Billy the Kid. It's a reference to his Texas heritage. And THAT is often referenced. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912625015] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>v_charon posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone still calls Shawn Michaels the Heartbreak Kid and I don't think I'd allow him in Save my Kid.</quote> They don't also make reference to him as an actual kid in promos and mention it as an aspect of the their opponent. Also, if your being obtuse on purpose fine but kid is used in the sense of a cowboy, ie: The Two-time Kid or Billy the Kid. It's a reference to his Texas heritage. And THAT is often referenced.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/18/18 3:30:37 PM #207:	NBIceman posted... scarletspeed7 posted... Also if you're called princess by both heel and face announcers, the GM, and your opponents, that doesn't make it fact? Friends, enemies, and authorities all state she is such. Doesn't pretty much everyone also call Roman Reigns "The Big Dog?" Would you nominate him for Save My Dog? The Big dog is also a very well known colloqualism and being obtuse about it doesn't make your argument. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912625060] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>NBIceman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>Also if you're called princess by both heel and face announcers, the GM, and your opponents, that doesn't make it fact? Friends, enemies, and authorities all state she is such.</quote> Doesn't pretty much everyone also call Roman Reigns "The Big Dog?" Would you nominate him for Save My Dog?</quote> The Big dog is also a very well known colloqualism and being obtuse about it doesn't make your argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 11/18/18 3:31:28 PM #208:	Man and Save My Canine almost won out too. Big Dog was better than HBK reference yeah. Reigns is called the Big Dog often and people even talk about putting him down or whatever, it's always referenced in promos. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:912625107] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>Man and Save My Canine almost won out too. Big Dog was better than HBK reference yeah. Reigns is called the Big Dog often and people even talk about putting him down or whatever, it's always referenced in promos.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 11/18/18 3:32:36 PM #209:	How has DogFAQs not had Save My Canine yet? --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:912625169] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>How has DogFAQs not had Save My Canine yet?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/18/18 3:32:55 PM #210:	It's also a common expression. You hear people call others Pirate Princess a lot? --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912625189] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>It's also a common expression. You hear people call others Pirate Princess a lot?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 11/18/18 3:35:42 PM #211:	I hear "princess" a ton. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:912625329] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>I hear "princess" a ton.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NBIceman 11/18/18 3:35:47 PM #212:	Pirate Princess? No. "Princess" in general as some kind of nickname or part of a nickname? Yeah, all the time. I don't understand how it's any different than Carmella, and anytime someone brings that up y'all just talk about the pirate aspects of the character. --- https://imgur.com/UYamul2 Spurs - Yankees - Eagles - Golden Knights <cite>NBIceman posted [p:912625339] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>Pirate Princess? No. "Princess" in general as some kind of nickname or part of a nickname? Yeah, all the time. I don't understand how it's any different than Carmella, and anytime someone brings that up y'all just talk about the pirate aspects of the character.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 11/18/18 3:40:05 PM #213:	NBIceman posted... I don't understand how it's any different than Carmella, and anytime someone brings that up y'all just talk about the pirate aspects of the character. It's because a princess has no actual defining characteristics. It's just a title given to someone. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:912625544] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>NBIceman posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand how it's any different than Carmella, and anytime someone brings that up y'all just talk about the pirate aspects of the character.</quote> It's because a princess has no actual defining characteristics. It's just a title given to someone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/18/18 3:41:39 PM #214:	This is the exact same wrong side of the coin as Jerry Lawler. The character consistently gets more time and her gimmick gets more fleshed out. Given that NXT is a brand that doesn't like to explore the outside activities of it's talent, she demonstrates the most of a extracurricular activity of anyone on that roster right now. It's kayfabe, and we as an audience make concessions to form believability just like a TV show. The difference is that we just haven't seen KAIRI outside of Orlando. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912625627] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>This is the exact same wrong side of the coin as Jerry Lawler. The character consistently gets more time and her gimmick gets more fleshed out. Given that NXT is a brand that doesn't like to explore the outside activities of it's talent, she demonstrates the most of a extracurricular activity of anyone on that roster right now. It's kayfabe, and we as an audience make concessions to form believability just like a TV show. The difference is that we just haven't seen KAIRI outside of Orlando.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NBIceman 11/18/18 3:42:04 PM #215:	I'm pretty sure the defining characteristic of a princess is that they're legitimate royalty of some sort. --- https://imgur.com/UYamul2 Spurs - Yankees - Eagles - Golden Knights <cite>NBIceman posted [p:912625645] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>I'm pretty sure the defining characteristic of a princess is that they're legitimate royalty of some sort.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/18/18 3:49:32 PM #216:	Mauro says she hails from "a kingdom on the sea" so that would be the domain of where she is a princess. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912626054] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>Mauro says she hails from "a kingdom on the sea" so that would be the domain of where she is a princess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drakeryn 11/18/18 3:53:23 PM #217:	scarletspeed7 posted... This is the exact same wrong side of the coin as Jerry Lawler. Yeah, I was thinking this discussion reminds me of the Jerry Lawler debate. "But what kingdom is he the legitimate sovereign of?" --- another place and time, without a great divide, and we could be flying deadly high <cite>Drakeryn posted [p:912626270] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>This is the exact same wrong side of the coin as Jerry Lawler. </quote> Yeah, I was thinking this discussion reminds me of the Jerry Lawler debate. "But what kingdom is he the legitimate sovereign of?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 11/18/18 3:55:04 PM #218:	NBIceman posted... I'm pretty sure the defining characteristic of a princess is that they're legitimate royalty of some sort. Royalty with the title alone and none of the responsibility means the sole defining characteristic is that it's a title given and acknowledged by the majority of people So the only characteristic is the title itself. I think the Kairis are more sketch than Xena cause Xena at least gets her just promotion to queen at some point but I'd let them all in --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:912626352] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>NBIceman posted...</cite> <quote>I'm pretty sure the defining characteristic of a princess is that they're legitimate royalty of some sort.</quote> Royalty with the title alone and none of the responsibility means the sole defining characteristic is that it's a title given and acknowledged by the majority of people So the only characteristic is the title itself. I think the Kairis are more sketch than Xena cause Xena at least gets her just promotion to queen at some point but I'd let them all in</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnbobb 11/18/18 3:56:36 PM #219:	I think Arya and Sansa both work fine Being a "princess" specifically might not have been a huge part of their arcs, but being "Daughters of the North" absolutely was, which eventually just extended into being princesses once Robb (and later Jon) became the King of the North --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ https://goo.gl/Diw2hs <cite>Johnbobb posted [p:912626439] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>I think Arya and Sansa both work fine Being a "princess" specifically might not have been a huge part of their arcs, but being "Daughters of the North" absolutely was, which eventually just extended into being princesses once Robb (and later Jon) became the King of the North</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NBIceman 11/18/18 3:59:20 PM #220:	Lopen posted... NBIceman posted... I'm pretty sure the defining characteristic of a princess is that they're legitimate royalty of some sort. Royalty with the title alone and none of the responsibility means the sole defining characteristic is that it's a title given and acknowledged by the majority of people So the only characteristic is the title itself. I think the Kairis are more sketch than Xena cause Xena at least gets her just promotion to queen at some point but I'd let them all in But it's not a title given to just anyone. There's a line of succession. Just because some amount of princesses don't involve themselves in any sort of political activity and/or choose not to exercise what political influence they might have doesn't mean that characters who don't actually have any such legitimacy are the same as they are. --- https://imgur.com/UYamul2 Spurs - Yankees - Eagles - Golden Knights <cite>NBIceman posted [p:912626578] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NBIceman posted...</cite> <quote>I'm pretty sure the defining characteristic of a princess is that they're legitimate royalty of some sort.</quote> Royalty with the title alone and none of the responsibility means the sole defining characteristic is that it's a title given and acknowledged by the majority of people So the only characteristic is the title itself. I think the Kairis are more sketch than Xena cause Xena at least gets her just promotion to queen at some point but I'd let them all in</quote> But it's not a title given to just anyone. There's a line of succession. Just because some amount of princesses don't involve themselves in any sort of political activity and/or choose not to exercise what political influence they might have doesn't mean that characters who don't actually have any such legitimacy are the same as they are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 11/18/18 4:00:04 PM #221:	Johnbobb posted... I think Arya and Sansa both work fine Being a "princess" specifically might not have been a huge part of their arcs, but being "Daughters of the North" absolutely was, which eventually just extended into being princesses once Robb (and later Jon) became the King of the North Yeah, if they don't count under Robb, they should at least count under Jon. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:912626617] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Johnbobb posted...</cite> <quote>I think Arya and Sansa both work fine Being a "princess" specifically might not have been a huge part of their arcs, but being "Daughters of the North" absolutely was, which eventually just extended into being princesses once Robb (and later Jon) became the King of the North</quote> Yeah, if they don't count under Robb, they should at least count under Jon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 11/18/18 4:05:20 PM #222:	NBIceman posted... But it's not a title given to just anyone. There's a line of succession. The line of succession is only what gives it legitimacy by default. If a ruled people give it legitimacy by means other than blood that doesn't make it have inherently less value. It's just politics. An appointed position that serves the same purpose as a princess is functionally a princess if we call it one. We could name a female Vice President of the United States princess and it'd be indistinguishable from a princess aside from the reign timing out after 4-8 years --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:912626930] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>NBIceman posted...</cite> <quote>But it's not a title given to just anyone. There's a line of succession.</quote> The line of succession is only what gives it legitimacy by default. If a ruled people give it legitimacy by means other than blood that doesn't make it have inherently less value. It's just politics. An appointed position that serves the same purpose as a princess is functionally a princess if we call it one. We could name a female Vice President of the United States princess and it'd be indistinguishable from a princess aside from the reign timing out after 4-8 years</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/18/18 4:05:36 PM #223:	Mewtwo59 posted... Johnbobb posted... I think Arya and Sansa both work fine Being a "princess" specifically might not have been a huge part of their arcs, but being "Daughters of the North" absolutely was, which eventually just extended into being princesses once Robb (and later Jon) became the King of the North Yeah, if they don't count under Robb, they should at least count under Jon. I would give Sansa the benefit of the doubt, but Arya is the one I ding pretty hard on. I think it's just the nature of how this upstart kingdom in the North operates. They are very casual in addressing people. It's never "your highness" for Sansa or Arya, and hell, it barely is "m'lady" for Arya anymore. But I wouldn't bump on their inclusion in the contest at all. It's just a weird, sketchy gray area for me overall. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912626952] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mewtwo59 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Johnbobb posted...</cite> <quote>I think Arya and Sansa both work fine Being a "princess" specifically might not have been a huge part of their arcs, but being "Daughters of the North" absolutely was, which eventually just extended into being princesses once Robb (and later Jon) became the King of the North</quote> Yeah, if they don't count under Robb, they should at least count under Jon.</quote> I would give Sansa the benefit of the doubt, but Arya is the one I ding pretty hard on. I think it's just the nature of how this upstart kingdom in the North operates. They are very casual in addressing people. It's never "your highness" for Sansa or Arya, and hell, it barely is "m'lady" for Arya anymore. But I wouldn't bump on their inclusion in the contest at all. It's just a weird, sketchy gray area for me overall.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/18/18 4:06:22 PM #224:	NBIceman posted... Just because some amount of princesses don't involve themselves in any sort of political activity and/or choose not to exercise what political influence they might have doesn't mean that characters who don't actually have any such legitimacy are the same as they are. Oh, great argument for Kairi Sane here. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912627002] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>NBIceman posted...</cite> <quote>Just because some amount of princesses don't involve themselves in any sort of political activity and/or choose not to exercise what political influence they might have doesn't mean that characters who don't actually have any such legitimacy are the same as they are.</quote> Oh, great argument for Kairi Sane here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NBIceman 11/18/18 4:10:58 PM #225:	Lopen posted... NBIceman posted... But it's not a title given to just anyone. There's a line of succession. The line of succession is only what gives it legitimacy by default. If a ruled people give it legitimacy by means other than blood that doesn't make it have inherently less value. It's just politics. An appointed position that serves the same purpose as a princess is functionally a princess if we call it one. We could name a female Vice President of the United States princess and it'd be indistinguishable from a princess aside from the reign timing out after 4-8 years "Princesses are by definition heiresses to their respective thrones. Princesses should be part of a royal family, and it helps if they are referred to as "princess __" at some point in their medium." By the definition Charon had for this contest, yes, that example would be distinguishable from an actual princess. scarletspeed7 posted... NBIceman posted... Just because some amount of princesses don't involve themselves in any sort of political activity and/or choose not to exercise what political influence they might have doesn't mean that characters who don't actually have any such legitimacy are the same as they are. Oh, great argument for Kairi Sane here. I don't understand what makes you think that anything I said makes Sane sound better. --- https://imgur.com/UYamul2 Spurs - Yankees - Eagles - Golden Knights <cite>NBIceman posted [p:912627310] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NBIceman posted...</cite> <quote>But it's not a title given to just anyone. There's a line of succession.</quote> The line of succession is only what gives it legitimacy by default. If a ruled people give it legitimacy by means other than blood that doesn't make it have inherently less value. It's just politics. An appointed position that serves the same purpose as a princess is functionally a princess if we call it one. We could name a female Vice President of the United States princess and it'd be indistinguishable from a princess aside from the reign timing out after 4-8 years</quote> "Princesses are by definition heiresses to their respective thrones. Princesses should be part of a royal family, and it helps if they are referred to as "princess __" at some point in their medium." By the definition Charon had for this contest, yes, that example would be distinguishable from an actual princess. <cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NBIceman posted...</cite> <quote>Just because some amount of princesses don't involve themselves in any sort of political activity and/or choose not to exercise what political influence they might have doesn't mean that characters who don't actually have any such legitimacy are the same as they are.</quote> Oh, great argument for Kairi Sane here.</quote> I don't understand what makes you think that anything I said makes Sane sound better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 11/18/18 4:14:18 PM #226:	NBIceman posted... Princesses are by definition heiresses to their respective thrones. You can cut the definition at that point. The rest is just "preferred" That can be through a way that isn't blood. If someone is the heir to a throne by any means they should count for this category if they're called a princess. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:912627528] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>NBIceman posted...</cite> <quote>Princesses are by definition heiresses to their respective thrones.</quote> You can cut the definition at that point. The rest is just "preferred" That can be through a way that isn't blood. If someone is the heir to a throne by any means they should count for this category if they're called a princess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NBIceman 11/18/18 4:16:01 PM #227:	So what throne is Kairi Sane the heir to? --- https://imgur.com/UYamul2 Spurs - Yankees - Eagles - Golden Knights <cite>NBIceman posted [p:912627643] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>So what throne is Kairi Sane the heir to?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 11/18/18 4:17:36 PM #228:	A kingdom on the sea as scarlet said, I guess. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:912627723] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>A kingdom on the sea as scarlet said, I guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/18/18 4:20:45 PM #229:	What kingdom is Starfire heir to? Because all three Tamaranian homeworlds blew up. I'm not arguing the validity of exclusion of Starfire. You can reign over a constituency who do not have a set demesne. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912627912] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>What kingdom is Starfire heir to? Because all three Tamaranian homeworlds blew up. I'm not arguing the validity of exclusion of Starfire. You can reign over a constituency who do not have a set demesne.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 11/18/18 5:54:47 PM #230:	scarletspeed7 posted... What kingdom is Starfire heir to? Because all three Tamaranian homeworlds blew up. I'm not arguing the validity of exclusion of Starfire. You can reign over a constituency who do not have a set demesne. The thing is, it was a tangible place you can point to. That's really what's important here. I know that neither Lawler or Booker really had a place to point to either, but their gimmicks were so heavily rooted in being kings that there was no question about it. They were portraying that royal stereotype. Sane really isn't is the issue. scarletspeed7 posted... I would give Sansa the benefit of the doubt, but Arya is the one I ding pretty hard on. I think it's just the nature of how this upstart kingdom in the North operates. They are very casual in addressing people. It's never "your highness" for Sansa or Arya, and hell, it barely is "m'lady" for Arya anymore. But I wouldn't bump on their inclusion in the contest at all. It's just a weird, sketchy gray area for me overall. This pretty much sums up my thoughts on it. I think Sansa is the better fit here because of her character. I'm not saying all princesses need to act like they are, but their "royalty" is so loose and nonchalant to not even really be important. As far as I'm aware, Jon Snow never told Arya she was a princess of anything. If Ned Stark was alive, it would be different because then clearly she'd be princess by birthright and nothing would need said. But since Jon is the one alive and he's not her father, she really isn't a princess unless he decrees it. If someone can show me where he said this, please do. Otherwise I'm leaning Out. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:912632915] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>What kingdom is Starfire heir to? Because all three Tamaranian homeworlds blew up. I'm not arguing the validity of exclusion of Starfire. You can reign over a constituency who do not have a set demesne.</quote> The thing is, it was a tangible place you can point to. That's really what's important here. I know that neither Lawler or Booker really had a place to point to either, but their gimmicks were so heavily rooted in being kings that there was no question about it. They were portraying that royal stereotype. Sane really isn't is the issue. <cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>I would give Sansa the benefit of the doubt, but Arya is the one I ding pretty hard on. I think it's just the nature of how this upstart kingdom in the North operates. They are very casual in addressing people. It's never "your highness" for Sansa or Arya, and hell, it barely is "m'lady" for Arya anymore. But I wouldn't bump on their inclusion in the contest at all. It's just a weird, sketchy gray area for me overall.</quote> This pretty much sums up my thoughts on it. I think Sansa is the better fit here because of her character. I'm not saying all princesses need to act like they are, but their "royalty" is so loose and nonchalant to not even really be important. As far as I'm aware, Jon Snow never told Arya she was a princess of anything. If Ned Stark was alive, it would be different because then clearly she'd be princess by birthright and nothing would need said. But since Jon is the one alive and he's not her father, she really isn't a princess unless he decrees it. If someone can show me where he said this, please do. Otherwise I'm leaning Out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 11/18/18 5:58:00 PM #231:	In Contest (100): Allura (Trapt) Anastasia Romanov (Anastasia) Anastasia Romanov (Shadow Hearts) Anna (Frozen) Anri (Shining Force) Ariel (The Little Mermaid) Arya Stark (Game of Thrones) Ashelia B'nargin Dalmasca (Final Fantasy) Aurora (Sleeping Beauty) Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender) Bean (Disenchantment) Belle (Beauty and the Beast) Blaze the Cat (Sonic Rush) Bonibel Bubblegum (Adventure Time) Buttercup (The Princess Bride) Camilla (Fire Emblem) Celica (Fire Emblem) Cinderella (Cinderella) Daisy (Super Mario) Dejah Thoris (John Carter) Eilonwy (The Black Cauldron) Eirika (Fire Emblem) Elena (Street Fighter) Elincia Ridell Crimea (Fire Emblem) Elise (Fire Emblem) Emily Kaldwin (Dishonored) Euphemia li Britannia (Code Geass) Eowyn (Lord of the Rings) Farah (Prince of Persia) Faris Scherwiz (Final Fantasy) Fiona (Shrek) Flame Princess (Adventure Time) Garnet til Alexandros XVII (Final Fantasy) Hilda (Legend of Zelda) Hildegard von Krone (Soulcalibur) Iolande (DC Comics) Irene (Princess and the Goblin) Jasmine (Aladdin) Kaguya (The Tale of Princess Kaguya) Kaguya Houraisan (Touhou) Kairi Sane (WWE) Kasumi (Dead or Alive) Kidagakash Nedakh (Atlantis: The Lost Empire) Kitana (Mortal Kombat) Klaudia von Auslese (Trails in the Sky) Kumatora (Mother 3) L'Arachel (Fire Emblem) Leia Organa (Star Wars) Lissa (Fire Emblem) Lucina (Fire Emblem) Lumpy Space Princess (Adventure Time) Luna (My Little Pony) Lymsleia Falenas (Suikoden V) Marle (Chrono Trigger) Melia Antiqua (Xenoblade) Merida (Brave) Mia Thermopolis (The Princess Diaries) Midna (Legend of Zelda) Mint (Threads of Fate) Moana Waialiki (Moana) Morrigan Aensland (Darkstalkers) Natalia L.K. Lanvaldear (Tales of the Abyss) Nausicaa (Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind) Nefertari Vivi (One Piece) Neytiri Te Tskaha Mo'at'ite (Avatar) Noa (Legend of Legaia) Odette (Swan Lake) Peach (Super Mario Bros) Pocahontas (Pocahontas) Princess Kenny (South Park) Princess Whats Her Name (Earthworm Jim) Rapunzel (Tangled) Rayfa (Ace Attorney: Spirit of Justice) Remedy (Princess Remedy in a World of Hurt) Rosalina (Super Mario Galaxy) Rozalin (Disgaea) Ruto (Legend of Zelda) Sailor Moon (Sailor Moon) Sally Acorn (Sonic) San (Princess Mononoke) Schala (Chrono Trigger) She-ra (She-ra: Princesses of Power) Shireen Baratheon (Game of Thrones) Shuri (Marvel Comics) Silk Fox (Jade Empire) Star Butterfly (Star vs. the Forces of Evil) Starfire (DC Comics) Tess Greymane (World of Warcraft) Tiana (Princess and the Frog) Twlilght Sparkle (My Little Pony) Tyris Flare (Golden Axe) Vanellope von Schweetz (Wreck-it-Ralph) Vespa (Spaceballs) Wendy (Rule of Rose) Wendy O. Koopa (Super Mario Bros) Wonder Woman (DC Comics) Xena (Xena: Warrior Princess) Yuffie Kisaragi (Final Fantasy) Yuyuko Saigyouji (Touhou) Zelda (Legend of Zelda) Status: Kairi Sane: Still Leaning Out Xena: Leaning In Emily: Leaning Out Arya: Leaning Out Buttercup: Undecided Yuffie (since I ignored this one): In (Godo is essentially king of Wutai, it basically states that.) --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:912633075] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>In Contest (100): Allura (Trapt) Anastasia Romanov (Anastasia) Anastasia Romanov (Shadow Hearts) Anna (Frozen) Anri (Shining Force) Ariel (The Little Mermaid) Arya Stark (Game of Thrones) Ashelia B'nargin Dalmasca (Final Fantasy) Aurora (Sleeping Beauty) Azula (Avatar: The Last Airbender) Bean (Disenchantment) Belle (Beauty and the Beast) Blaze the Cat (Sonic Rush) Bonibel Bubblegum (Adventure Time) Buttercup (The Princess Bride) Camilla (Fire Emblem) Celica (Fire Emblem) Cinderella (Cinderella) Daisy (Super Mario) Dejah Thoris (John Carter) Eilonwy (The Black Cauldron) Eirika (Fire Emblem) Elena (Street Fighter) Elincia Ridell Crimea (Fire Emblem) Elise (Fire Emblem) Emily Kaldwin (Dishonored) Euphemia li Britannia (Code Geass) Eowyn (Lord of the Rings) Farah (Prince of Persia) Faris Scherwiz (Final Fantasy) Fiona (Shrek) Flame Princess (Adventure Time) Garnet til Alexandros XVII (Final Fantasy) Hilda (Legend of Zelda) Hildegard von Krone (Soulcalibur) Iolande (DC Comics) Irene (Princess and the Goblin) Jasmine (Aladdin) Kaguya (The Tale of Princess Kaguya) Kaguya Houraisan (Touhou) Kairi Sane (WWE) Kasumi (Dead or Alive) Kidagakash Nedakh (Atlantis: The Lost Empire) Kitana (Mortal Kombat) Klaudia von Auslese (Trails in the Sky) Kumatora (Mother 3) L'Arachel (Fire Emblem) Leia Organa (Star Wars) Lissa (Fire Emblem) Lucina (Fire Emblem) Lumpy Space Princess (Adventure Time) Luna (My Little Pony) Lymsleia Falenas (Suikoden V) Marle (Chrono Trigger) Melia Antiqua (Xenoblade) Merida (Brave) Mia Thermopolis (The Princess Diaries) Midna (Legend of Zelda) Mint (Threads of Fate) Moana Waialiki (Moana) Morrigan Aensland (Darkstalkers) Natalia L.K. Lanvaldear (Tales of the Abyss) Nausicaa (Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind) Nefertari Vivi (One Piece) Neytiri Te Tskaha Mo'at'ite (Avatar) Noa (Legend of Legaia) Odette (Swan Lake) Peach (Super Mario Bros) Pocahontas (Pocahontas) Princess Kenny (South Park) Princess Whats Her Name (Earthworm Jim) Rapunzel (Tangled) Rayfa (Ace Attorney: Spirit of Justice) Remedy (Princess Remedy in a World of Hurt) Rosalina (Super Mario Galaxy) Rozalin (Disgaea) Ruto (Legend of Zelda) Sailor Moon (Sailor Moon) Sally Acorn (Sonic) San (Princess Mononoke) Schala (Chrono Trigger) She-ra (She-ra: Princesses of Power) Shireen Baratheon (Game of Thrones) Shuri (Marvel Comics) Silk Fox (Jade Empire) Star Butterfly (Star vs. the Forces of Evil) Starfire (DC Comics) Tess Greymane (World of Warcraft) Tiana (Princess and the Frog) Twlilght Sparkle (My Little Pony) Tyris Flare (Golden Axe) Vanellope von Schweetz (Wreck-it-Ralph) Vespa (Spaceballs) Wendy (Rule of Rose) Wendy O. Koopa (Super Mario Bros) Wonder Woman (DC Comics) Xena (Xena: Warrior Princess) Yuffie Kisaragi (Final Fantasy) Yuyuko Saigyouji (Touhou) Zelda (Legend of Zelda) Status: Kairi Sane: Still Leaning Out Xena: Leaning In Emily: Leaning Out Arya: Leaning Out Buttercup: Undecided Yuffie (since I ignored this one): In (Godo is essentially king of Wutai, it basically states that.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 11/18/18 6:05:41 PM #232:	One other mentioned was Wendy O. Koopa. This is an interesting case because Nintendo decided to retcon her being Bowser's daughter at all, which would render her invalid for this contest. Under their current canon, she's just a minion of his. I'm honestly unsure which direction to head with this since my biggest memories of this character she is indeed his daughter. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:912633464] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>One other mentioned was Wendy O. Koopa. This is an interesting case because Nintendo decided to retcon her being Bowser's daughter at all, which would render her invalid for this contest. Under their current canon, she's just a minion of his. I'm honestly unsure which direction to head with this since my biggest memories of this character she is indeed his daughter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drakeryn 11/18/18 7:31:26 PM #233:	Whoever nominated her, it's probably their biggest memories of the character too. I'd count it. --- another place and time, without a great divide, and we could be flying deadly high <cite>Drakeryn posted [p:912638619] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>Whoever nominated her, it's probably their biggest memories of the character too. I'd count it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 11/18/18 9:24:51 PM #234:	Yeah I vote: Kairi Sane - Out Buttercup - In (I really was just trying to demonstrate a weakness in the definition when i brought it up. ) Xena - In Arya - Out Emily - In (and curious what flipped you around since the last time you talked about it) --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/chXIw06 <cite>Eddv posted [p:912645257] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I vote: Kairi Sane - Out Buttercup - In (I really was just trying to demonstrate a weakness in the definition when i brought it up. ) Xena - In Arya - Out Emily - In (and curious what flipped you around since the last time you talked about it)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 11/18/18 9:27:37 PM #235:	Eddv posted... Emily - In (and curious what flipped you around since the last time you talked about it) I haven't played the game, so if you want to debate it with scarlet's points: -It seems like the first game she is in, she has a much smaller role and reduced screen time. -She's a player character in sequel games and isn't a princess in these. I really can't judge how much the first game impacts her character or what legacy it leaves on her. So feel free to point some things out since I'm still undecided. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:912645414] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>Emily - In (and curious what flipped you around since the last time you talked about it)</quote> I haven't played the game, so if you want to debate it with scarlet's points: -It seems like the first game she is in, she has a much smaller role and reduced screen time. -She's a player character in sequel games and isn't a princess in these. I really can't judge how much the first game impacts her character or what legacy it leaves on her. So feel free to point some things out since I'm still undecided.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/18/18 9:29:11 PM #236:	She also stops being a princess in the tutorial level when her mother is killed and is from that point forward the empress. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912645500] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>She also stops being a princess in the tutorial level when her mother is killed and is from that point forward the empress.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 11/18/18 9:36:00 PM #237:	- Much smaller is pretty relative but she is basically one of the lead NPCs. she's still the character the story hinges on. The entirety of dishonored 1 is centered on the out of power old guard trying to put Emily on the throne. She is literally the hereditary ruler in waiting for the entire game and the main characters relationship with her and this plot basically is the entire game. She is Empress during the ending vignette so its not like she's severely splitting duties. - In 2 (again - still a two game series) she is one of two possible player characters and is deposed as empress about 5 seconds into the proceedings. If you choose to play as Corvo she spends the entire game as a statue and isnt really involved. Like this would be like claiming that Jasmine would not qualify as a princess if she showed up in Aladdin 2 and 3 as Queen Jasmine which seems frankly bizarre to me. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/chXIw06 <cite>Eddv posted [p:912645893] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>- Much smaller is pretty relative but she is basically one of the lead NPCs. she's still the character the story hinges on. The entirety of dishonored 1 is centered on the out of power old guard trying to put Emily on the throne. She is literally the hereditary ruler in waiting for the entire game and the main characters relationship with her and this plot basically is the entire game. She is Empress during the ending vignette so its not like she's severely splitting duties. - In 2 (again - still a two game series) she is one of two possible player characters and is deposed as empress about 5 seconds into the proceedings. If you choose to play as Corvo she spends the entire game as a statue and isnt really involved. Like this would be like claiming that Jasmine would not qualify as a princess if she showed up in Aladdin 2 and 3 as Queen Jasmine which seems frankly bizarre to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 11/18/18 9:36:38 PM #238:	scarletspeed7 posted... She also stops being a princess in the tutorial level when her mother is killed and is from that point forward the empress. Not actually crowned - the ENTIRE FUCKING GAME is about getting her from Princess to Empress. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/chXIw06 <cite>Eddv posted [p:912645927] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>She also stops being a princess in the tutorial level when her mother is killed and is from that point forward the empress.</quote> Not actually crowned - the ENTIRE FUCKING GAME is about getting her from Princess to Empress.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/18/18 9:37:33 PM #239:	No, she's referred to as the empress-in-hiding by Havelock. A coup doesn't prevent her from being the Empress. She's just been ousted from power. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912645993] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>No, she's referred to as the empress-in-hiding by Havelock. A coup doesn't prevent her from being the Empress. She's just been ousted from power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/18/18 9:39:14 PM #240:	Eddv posted... - In 2 (again - still a two game series) she is one of two possible player characters and is deposed as empress about 5 seconds into the proceedings. If you choose to play as Corvo she spends the entire game as a statue and isnt really involved. Yeah and if you choose to play as her Corvo stands there as a statue. Amazing how choosing player characters work. Dude, I literally just replayed game 1 in September. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912646083] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>- In 2 (again - still a two game series) she is one of two possible player characters and is deposed as empress about 5 seconds into the proceedings. If you choose to play as Corvo she spends the entire game as a statue and isnt really involved. </quote> Yeah and if you choose to play as her Corvo stands there as a statue. Amazing how choosing player characters work. Dude, I literally just replayed game 1 in September.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 11/18/18 9:42:11 PM #241:	I did too - like Emily Caldwin isn't a princess a solid 50 names here arent princesses. She fits the definition perfectly "Princesses are by definition heiresses to their respective thrones. Princesses should be part of a royal family, and it helps if they are referred to as "princess __" at some point in their medium." By this definition she spends the entirety of both games as a princess as she is merely the legitimate heiress and not actually the ruler in both games --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/chXIw06 <cite>Eddv posted [p:912646239] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>I did too - like Emily Caldwin isn't a princess a solid 50 names here arent princesses. She fits the definition perfectly "Princesses are by definition heiresses to their respective thrones. Princesses should be part of a royal family, and it helps if they are referred to as "princess __" at some point in their medium." By this definition she spends the entirety of both games as a princess as she is merely the legitimate heiress and not actually the ruler in both games</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 11/18/18 9:42:36 PM #242:	And I just played it for the first time in August. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/chXIw06 <cite>Eddv posted [p:912646268] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>And I just played it for the first time in August.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/18/18 9:44:24 PM #243:	So she's not a princess, because she's not an heir to the throne. She already has achieved the throne by minute 20 of the game, but the domain has been usurped by a military coup, which in no way means she isn't empress. You can MAYBE make the argument she isn't empress, but she's also no longer a princess. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912646352] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>So she's not a princess, because she's not an heir to the throne. She already has achieved the throne by minute 20 of the game, but the domain has been usurped by a military coup, which in no way means she isn't empress. You can MAYBE make the argument she isn't empress, but she's also no longer a princess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/18/18 9:45:34 PM #244:	Like, I get if charon throws out Kairi Sane. I'll be extremely disappointed because wrestling gimmicks have always come with a curve. But Emily is princess for one level. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912646434] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>Like, I get if charon throws out Kairi Sane. I'll be extremely disappointed because wrestling gimmicks have always come with a curve. But Emily is princess for one level.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
5tarscream 11/18/18 9:51:25 PM #245:	I thought Buttercup wasn't a princess for like 99% of the story of the Princess Bride. She's forced to marry the prince right at the end of the story so we're saying the majority of the material counts then for the majority of the material she's not a princess. She's a princess for about 5 minutes. Arya isn't a princess either. Lord Godo is not King Godo. Yuffie isn't a princess. --- User ID: 4002777 <cite>5tarscream posted [p:912646809] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>I thought Buttercup wasn't a princess for like 99% of the story of the Princess Bride. She's forced to marry the prince right at the end of the story so we're saying the majority of the material counts then for the majority of the material she's not a princess. She's a princess for about 5 minutes. Arya isn't a princess either. Lord Godo is not King Godo. Yuffie isn't a princess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 11/18/18 9:53:39 PM #246:	5tarscream posted... Lord Godo is not King Godo. Yuffie isn't a princess. "Ruler" is honestly good enough because that would possibly take out more than just Yuffie. He's the ruler of Wutai, and Yuffie is his daughter. It's a lot like Pocahontas, or Moana, or a lot of characters really. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:912646957] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote><cite>5tarscream posted...</cite> <quote>Lord Godo is not King Godo. Yuffie isn't a princess.</quote> "Ruler" is honestly good enough because that would possibly take out more than just Yuffie. He's the ruler of Wutai, and Yuffie is his daughter. It's a lot like Pocahontas, or Moana, or a lot of characters really.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
5tarscream 11/18/18 9:57:46 PM #247:	Wutai is a city. Yuffie is a ninja not a princess --- User ID: 4002777 <cite>5tarscream posted [p:912647220] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>Wutai is a city. Yuffie is a ninja not a princess</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 11/18/18 9:59:05 PM #248:	Wutai refers to the entire continent. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:912647312] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>Wutai refers to the entire continent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
5tarscream 11/18/18 9:59:36 PM #249:	Princess - A pretty self-explanatory category here. We've seen royalty done before, but this is a more confined version of that contest. Here, only the princesses are up to the battle. Princesses are by definition heiresses to their respective thrones. Princesses should be part of a royal family, and it helps if they are referred to as "princess __" at some point in their medium. Princesses that become queens at some point are allowed, but only if they are better known as princesses. Princess characters with a nickname of being a princess of something are not allowed if that something isn't a traditional land mass of some sort. As usual, I'll make revisions to the list as this ends. --- User ID: 4002777 <cite>5tarscream posted [p:912647335] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>Princess - A pretty self-explanatory category here. We've seen royalty done before, but this is a more confined version of that contest. Here, only the princesses are up to the battle. Princesses are by definition heiresses to their respective thrones. Princesses should be part of a royal family, and it helps if they are referred to as "princess __" at some point in their medium. Princesses that become queens at some point are allowed, but only if they are better known as princesses. Princess characters with a nickname of being a princess of something are not allowed if that something isn't a traditional land mass of some sort. As usual, I'll make revisions to the list as this ends.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 11/18/18 10:00:18 PM #250:	Again, it's not going to help to argue against this character. I'm familiar with the media and made my decision on it. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:912647383] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>Again, it's not going to help to argue against this character. I'm familiar with the media and made my decision on it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
5tarscream 11/18/18 10:02:22 PM #251:	Girls, this is not a democracy. It's a cheerocracy and I'm the cheertator --- User ID: 4002777 <cite>5tarscream posted [p:912647520] in ^King of t... [t:77211644]...</cite> <quote>Girls, this is not a democracy. It's a cheerocracy and I'm the cheertator</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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