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WastelandCowboy 10/24/18 1:30:11 PM #1: |
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/24/660161491/u-s-intercepts-suspicious-packages-addressed-to-clinton-and-obama
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WastelandCowboy 10/24/18 1:30:14 PM #2: |
House Speaker Paul Ryan echoed those sentiments, saying, "Those behind such reprehensible acts must be brought to justice. We cannot tolerate any attempt to terrorize public figures." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Andromicus 10/24/18 1:30:39 PM #3: |
True or false flag
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Mead 10/24/18 1:31:32 PM #4: |
Mead posted...
And yet conservatives were recently trying to spin bullshit that only liberals commit violent acts --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WastelandCowboy 10/24/18 5:48:06 PM #5: |
Been updated as pipe bombs.
Five total - Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Brennan, George Soros, and Eric Holder. Like @mead said, blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umitencho 10/24/18 5:54:57 PM #6: |
Mead posted...
Mead posted...And yet conservatives were recently trying to spin bullshit that only liberals commit violent acts --- 3DS FC: 4399-0076-4217 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 10/24/18 6:05:22 PM #7: |
WastelandCowboy posted...
blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent No reasonable person believes this anyway. People of all types are violent. We're primates after all ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Red_Frog 10/24/18 6:10:21 PM #8: |
WastelandCowboy posted...
Like Mead said, blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members. What happens if it's an insane liberal? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 10/24/18 6:24:39 PM #9: |
I'm sure the conspiracy theorists are having a field day.
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BlackScythe0 10/24/18 6:41:22 PM #10: |
Right wing terrorism was on the rise under Obama. If I remember correctly assets that were directed to keep an eye on them were redirected after Trump won.
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WhiskeyDisk 10/24/18 6:42:00 PM #11: |
WastelandCowboy posted...
Been updated as pipe bombs. Might as well add Maxine Waters to the list too... https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/24/politics/maxine-waters-suspicious-package/index.html --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lobomoon 10/24/18 6:42:21 PM #12: |
I'm sure Hilary and Obama faked it to create some publicity for themselves.
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ParanoidObsessive 10/24/18 6:42:21 PM #13: |
WastelandCowboy posted...
no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members. A case can easily be made that no sane person period would do it regardless of political alignment. By the time you've graduated up to pipe bombs you're not really the most rational individual. Though to play the obligatory bullshit Internet bipartisan mudslinging game, some people would argue that there's no such thing as a sane liberal regardless. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WastelandCowboy 10/24/18 6:47:47 PM #14: |
ParanoidObsessive posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members. Yeah, you have a great point there. Shit, I have no idea what Im doing or talking about. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WhiskeyDisk 10/24/18 7:04:37 PM #15: |
ParanoidObsessive posted...
By the time you've graduated up to pipe bombs you're not really the most rational individual. I would argue that Ted "Unabomber" Kaczynski is an exception to this rule. Of course I would categorically denounce his bombing activities, but I would argue his manifesto Industrial Society and it's Future was absolutely brilliant and disturbingly prophetic in it's predictions of the sociopolitical climate we're now in. It's as if he could see 25 years into the future to raise the alarm about issues nobody was even thinking about at the time. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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minervo 10/24/18 7:56:00 PM #16: |
Red_Frog posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...Like Mead said, blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members. It almost certainly is. I'm not kidding. It's a twisted stunt meant to put democrats in a sympathetic position. --- "how hard is it for people to understand that not everything you read will be something you agree with?" - Awesome ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WastelandCowboy 10/24/18 8:58:06 PM #17: |
minervo posted...
Red_Frog posted...WastelandCowboy posted...Like Mead said, blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members. But you have no proof. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ParanoidObsessive 10/24/18 9:03:04 PM #18: |
WhiskeyDisk posted...
I would argue that Ted "Unabomber" Kaczynski is an exception to this rule. Of course I would categorically denounce his bombing activities, but I would argue his manifesto Industrial Society and it's Future was absolutely brilliant and disturbingly prophetic in it's predictions of the sociopolitical climate we're now in. But he chose to express that sentiment by trying to blow things up, which is pretty much the point where he might as well have shit in a grapefruit and worn it as a hat for all the good it did. It doesn't really matter what your message is, or even if it's technically accurate. If you use asshole means to convey it, people are going to treat you like an asshole, and you're effectively undermining your own cause. You accomplish very little of substance, other than guaranteeing that most people are going to support the very things you're trying to oppose. Sane people don't decide that the best possible way to advance their position is go out of their way to ensure that literally everyone is going to turn against them. Or that the best solution to political disagreements is to try and murder people with explosives. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WhiskeyDisk 10/24/18 9:27:26 PM #19: |
ParanoidObsessive posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...I would argue that Ted "Unabomber" Kaczynski is an exception to this rule. Of course I would categorically denounce his bombing activities, but I would argue his manifesto Industrial Society and it's Future was absolutely brilliant and disturbingly prophetic in it's predictions of the sociopolitical climate we're now in. Again, I never said I agreed with Professor Ted's methods, but I cannot deny that his manifesto was a masterpiece. I can't just file him away as a simple lunatic. If anything, he is a genius turned evil, like Viktor von Doom or Otto Octavius. Even the craftsmanship on some of his bombs approached art. Rare hardwood cases, hand filed shrapnel...sure it poisoned his message, but I think his message is more relevant now than ever. I accept that I'm in an exceedingly small minority in this regard. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 10/24/18 9:27:30 PM #20: |
WastelandCowboy posted...
blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members. That doesn't mean that they aren't liberal, just that they aren't sane =p And some... oh, PO already did that joke >_> All kidding aside, the targets were all *establishment* figures. Liberals who feel that Democrats betrayed liberals (and stabbed Supreme-Comrade Sanders in the back) would certainly be inclined to attack them. Or it could be a loonie lefty who thinks that it'll put heat on Republicans. Or a Muslim terrorist. Or a crazed conservative. Or somebody with no ideological affiliation but just a dislike of those individuals. --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheWorstPoster 10/24/18 9:37:18 PM #21: |
I don't know who is doing this, or why. I am guessing it is somebody on the Alt-Right, as I do not believe this to be a false-flag operation.
Only clue was an ISIS flag image attached to the packages, but I believe it could be intentionally misleading. Whoever is doing this should be sent to a maximum security prison or executed. I hate everyone who he is sending the packages to, but this is terrorism. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WastelandCowboy 10/24/18 9:40:02 PM #22: |
Zeus posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members. Or like @minervo claims, some asinine conspiracy stunt to garner sympathy. The only thing that's weird about all this is that it happened just over two weeks from the midterms. But that's probably my cynicism paranoia showing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 10/24/18 9:41:00 PM #23: |
WastelandCowboy posted...
minervo posted...Red_Frog posted...WastelandCowboy posted...Like Mead said, blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members. Just trust him, hes super smart --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SkynyrdRocker 10/24/18 9:41:20 PM #24: |
TheWorstPoster posted...
I don't know who is doing this, or why. I am guessing it is somebody on the Alt-Right, as I do not believe this to be a false-flag operation. Holy shit, ICOYAR is more rational than Zeus ... Copied to Clipboard!
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myghostisdead 10/24/18 9:47:23 PM #25: |
TheWorstPoster posted...
I don't know who is doing this, or why. I am guessing it is somebody on the Alt-Right, as I do not believe this to be a false-flag operation. It looks to be a parody of the flag. --- "Mom, was I in a wreck?" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 10/24/18 9:48:48 PM #26: |
Things sure have gotten quite eventful before the midterms
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WastelandCowboy 10/24/18 9:52:54 PM #27: |
OhhhJa posted...
Things sure have gotten quite eventful before the midterms And also during the Saudi Arabia scandal. Not saying they're connected, but I'm always skeptical of coincidences. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mooreandrew58 10/25/18 1:15:23 AM #28: |
TheWorstPoster posted...
I don't know who is doing this, or why. I am guessing it is somebody on the Alt-Right, as I do not believe this to be a false-flag operation. Agree just change hate to moderate dislike for me. As someone pointed out with the Unabomber shit like this hurts your cause more than help it. Well cept maybe Soros if that had succeeded that may have indeed been a major blow to the Democratic party. Not that I'm condoning the action mind you. But Obama and Hillary nah. Even if it had succeeded its not like their isn't many other candidates that could fill their shoes, and their deaths would just cause people to rally together for the Democrats. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WastelandCowboy 10/25/18 11:01:56 AM #29: |
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/25/660458533/suspicious-package-discovered-in-nycs-tribeca-area
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Mead 10/25/18 11:33:27 AM #30: |
Even if these had gotten through security they wouldnt have made it to their targets, they would have just ended up harming aids or staffers
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WhiskeyDisk 10/25/18 12:10:23 PM #31: |
If DeNiro got one, I'm calling it now.
Michael Moore is getting one. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkknight109 10/25/18 1:18:11 PM #32: |
minervo posted...
Red_Frog posted...WastelandCowboy posted...Like Mead said, blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members. Yes, that makes sense - someone on the left pulled off a series of high profile federal crimes that could put them in prison for the rest of their life, that is now being investigated by multiple high-level federal investigative groups, and that, if it had succeeded, could have robbed the Democratic party of some of its highest-profile and most effective standard bearers/donors, all to try and impact public opinion ahead of an election where the results are already heavily slanted in favour of one outcome (Democratic house, Republican senate) and are unlikely to change. That seems very logical. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KaptainKiro 10/25/18 2:04:15 PM #33: |
darkknight109 posted...
That seems very logical. cant apply conventional logic to this situation ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SunWuKung420 10/25/18 2:19:12 PM #34: |
This entire administration has lied to us from the beginning and now you think they are telling the truth. ROFL!
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mooreandrew58 10/25/18 2:53:42 PM #35: |
KaptainKiro posted...
darkknight109 posted...That seems very logical. Exactly either side could have done it either way they are crazy beyond reason. If a liberal crazy in that they could have killed someone (if the things where even meant to blow up) and risk prison over smearing the republicans.. If conservative crazy in that a sane person would know how this looks and would risk making their side look bad just to take out a few people one of which at least outside some public speeches is as far as I'm aware retired. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OhhhJa 10/25/18 3:05:33 PM #36: |
darkknight109 posted...
minervo posted...Red_Frog posted...WastelandCowboy posted...Like Mead said, blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members. It definitely wouldnt be the first nor the craziest false flag ever ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 10/25/18 3:22:37 PM #37: |
SunWuKung420 posted...
This entire administration has lied to us from the beginning and now you think they are telling the truth. ROFL! Hard to believe that some folks still dont see the plainly apparent truth that Trump had over 8 billion people show up for his inauguration --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umitencho 10/25/18 5:45:48 PM #38: |
And now more bombs have been found to have been mailed to other prominent Democrats. Yeah, we are now in the era of right wing terrorism which is sad considering that conservatives have the majority control down the board.
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Entity13 10/25/18 5:52:00 PM #39: |
Umitencho posted...
And now more bombs have been found to have been mailed to other prominent Democrats. Yeah, we are now in the era of right wing terrorism which is sad considering that conservatives have the majority control down the board. Their power is threatened with the coming election, likely. How dare we actually, you know, observe our republic's democratic practices, or have viewpoints that oppose to the hard right (even we moderates)? Liberals might have their own issues, but they're not stripping people of the ability to vote at the last minute or actively trying to kill public figures who represent the other major party. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GasMonkey 10/25/18 6:08:04 PM #40: |
we just have to sit and be civil with these types, economic anxiety is strong still.
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Umitencho 10/25/18 6:10:46 PM #41: |
Entity13 posted...
Umitencho posted...And now more bombs have been found to have been mailed to other prominent Democrats. Yeah, we are now in the era of right wing terrorism which is sad considering that conservatives have the majority control down the board. Just goes to show you just how under the surface some people's murderer inclinations are. And all it took to bring it to the surface was to elect the flaming racist cheeto and wait a year or two. I mean Trump has been calling for violence since he made that roundabout statement about how if Clinton wins, guns owners will or should revolt. You win, you shot at. You loose, you get blown up. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html I disagree with conservatives a lot but that doesn't give me the right to take or attempt to take their lives. Meanwhile Trump on twitter pretty much saying that they deserved the mailed bombs. Like wtf? --- 3DS FC: 4399-0076-4217 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 10/25/18 6:23:05 PM #42: |
Help we control all three heads of government we are so obstructed
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Entity13 10/25/18 6:23:55 PM #43: |
Umitencho posted...
I disagree with conservatives a lot but that doesn't give me the right to take or attempt to take their lives. See, I don't mind actual Conservatives, folk who stand for values that can be defined. With recent events, I don't see many actual Conservatives, but just angry assholes rife with double (sometimes triple) standards or no standards at all, demanding and brazen, full of insults and misconceptions whilst projecting their own inadequacies on everyone else, and saying that anyone who disagrees with them should be civil all the while they do shit like this. I do not see core values here. For the actual Conservatives out there, I apologize. You deserve so much better than to be represented by these aggressive, logically unsound, mentally unfit mobs. That's to say nothing of the money-gobbling politicians practically ruling both the Republicans and Democrats; just... I'm sorry, Conservatives. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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minervo 10/25/18 6:26:59 PM #44: |
Umitencho posted...
Entity13 posted...Umitencho posted...And now more bombs have been found to have been mailed to other prominent Democrats. Yeah, we are now in the era of right wing terrorism which is sad considering that conservatives have the majority control down the board. The hell are you talking about? Nowhere in that video did Trump say whatever crap you're claiming. Also, Trump said he agrees wholeheartedly with Pence's comment, here it is: We condemn the attempted attacks against fmr Pres Obama, the Clintons, @CNN & others. These cowardly actions are despicable & have no place in this Country. Grateful for swift response of @SecretService, @FBI & local law enforcement. Those responsible will be brought to justice. Stop trying to spread lies. --- "how hard is it for people to understand that not everything you read will be something you agree with?" - Awesome ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umitencho 10/25/18 6:50:49 PM #45: |
minervo posted...
Umitencho posted...Entity13 posted...Umitencho posted...And now more bombs have been found to have been mailed to other prominent Democrats. Yeah, we are now in the era of right wing terrorism which is sad considering that conservatives have the majority control down the board. Moments later: A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST! He says one thing and then go right back on twitter and goes in the other direction. As for how his spew about the media ties back to the bombs, CNN also was a target of the bomb mailing. Did you even read the article explaining it? Or did you just gloss over like an fool and went straight into attack mode. Even then: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/back-trump-comments-perceived-encouraging-violence/story?id=48415766 He has a history of dog-whistling for violent actions. --- 3DS FC: 4399-0076-4217 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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minervo 10/25/18 6:56:18 PM #46: |
Why would I read an article from the same source that employs the racist Sarah Jeong? I saw the video, that's the evidence, stop trying to alter people's opinion in your ridiculous favour.
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Umitencho 10/25/18 7:00:45 PM #47: |
I provide evidence with an explanation of how said evidence fits my argument.
Your reponse is "nuh-huh, you the liar!" I provide more evidence, your response to to admit that you didn't even look at the majority of my evidence. Therefore, I am done talking you. Enjoy your world of "alternate facts". You are a prime example of what they mean by arguing in bad faith. --- 3DS FC: 4399-0076-4217 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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minervo 10/25/18 7:04:28 PM #48: |
Umitencho posted...
I provide evidence with an explanation of how said evidence fits my argument. You didn't respond at all to my arguments, but thanks for giving me the final word. --- "how hard is it for people to understand that not everything you read will be something you agree with?" - Awesome ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkknight109 10/25/18 8:25:43 PM #49: |
minervo posted...
Why would I read an article from the same source that employs the racist Sarah Jeong? Ad hominem argument. Just because you dislike the messenger doesn't make the message incorrect. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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minervo 10/25/18 8:36:09 PM #50: |
darkknight109 posted...
minervo posted...Why would I read an article from the same source that employs the racist Sarah Jeong? I tried my best to read the article. Couldn't do more than skim through it, it was so boring, biased and disgusting. Would you drink from a well that yesterday had poop flowing through it, when there are several other wells you can drink from? Would you even look in that well? Cause that's what i just did, and I can still smell the poop. --- "how hard is it for people to understand that not everything you read will be something you agree with?" - Awesome ... Copied to Clipboard!
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