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WastelandCowboy
10/24/18 1:30:11 PM
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https://www.npr.org/2018/10/24/660161491/u-s-intercepts-suspicious-packages-addressed-to-clinton-and-obama

Updated at 12:45 a.m. ET

U.S. authorities are investigating multiple suspicious packages sent to several leading Democratic figures and to CNN.

The Secret Service said Wednesday that it has intercepted two suspicious packages that were addressed to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in Westchester County, N.Y., and former President Barack Obama in Washington, D.C.

On Monday, an explosive device was found at the home of billionaire George Soros a frequent contributor to Democratic and progressive causes.

The packages addressed to Clinton and Obama "were immediately identified during routine mail screening procedures as potential explosive devices and were appropriately handled as such," the Secret Service said in a statement Wednesday. "The protectees did not receive the packages nor were they at risk of receiving them."

The package to Clinton was intercepted late Tuesday, and the package to Obama was intercepted early Wednesday morning.

CNN also reported that its New York City office was evacuated Wednesday morning due to a suspicious package received in its mailroom. In a note to staff, CNN President Jeff Zucker said the Time Warner Center was cleared "out of an abundance of caution."

The New York Police Department confirmed that its officers were investigating a suspicious package in Columbus Circle, where the office is located. It's not clear whether the CNN incident is related to the other suspicious packages.

Additionally, police in Sunrise, Fla., said they are "working on an investigation of a suspicious package near Sawgrass Corporate Parkway." Former DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz has an office in that area, though it's not clear whether the package was addressed to her.

With regard to the Clinton and Obama packages, the Secret Service says it is investigating the incidents, using "all available federal, state, and local resources to determine the source of the packages and identify those responsible."

The FBI's New York field office said in a tweet that it is "aware of a suspicious package found in the vicinity of the Clinton residence in Chappaqua, NY."

Local law enforcement told NPR that "this morning the New Castle Police Department assisted the FBI, Secret Service, and the Westchester County Police with the investigation of a suspicious package," and added that "the matter is currently under federal investigation."

Hillary Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, bought a house in Chappaqua, N.Y., in 1999; two years ago, they bought a second house the one next door.

Like the Clintons, Soros lives in Westchester County, N.Y. The left-leaning billionaire philanthropist is the founder of the Open Society Foundations, which work to "build vibrant and tolerant democracies whose governments are accountable to their citizens." (The OSF has been a financial supporter of NPR.)

When the Obama family left the White House, they rented a house in D.C.'s Kalorama neighborhood that they purchased months later. The couple have said they want to remain in Washington, D.C., until their youngest daughter, Sasha, finishes high school.

In a statement, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said, "We condemn the attempted violent attacks recently made against President Obama, President Clinton, Secretary Clinton, and other public figures." She added, "These terrorizing acts are despicable, and anyone responsible will be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law."

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WastelandCowboy
10/24/18 1:30:14 PM
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House Speaker Paul Ryan echoed those sentiments, saying, "Those behind such reprehensible acts must be brought to justice. We cannot tolerate any attempt to terrorize public figures."

Some media outlets had suggested that the White House received a suspicious package, but the Secret Service later clarified that "reports of a third intercepted package addressed to the WH are incorrect."

This is a breaking news story. As often happens in situations like these, some information reported early may turn out to be inaccurate. We'll move quickly to correct the record, and we'll only point to the best information we have at the time.
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Andromicus
10/24/18 1:30:39 PM
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True or false flag
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Mead
10/24/18 1:31:32 PM
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Mead posted...
And yet conservatives were recently trying to spin bullshit that only liberals commit violent acts

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WastelandCowboy
10/24/18 5:48:06 PM
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Been updated as pipe bombs.

Five total - Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Brennan, George Soros, and Eric Holder.

Like @mead said, blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members.
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Umitencho
10/24/18 5:54:57 PM
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Mead posted...
Mead posted...
And yet conservatives were recently trying to spin bullshit that only liberals commit violent acts

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OhhhJa
10/24/18 6:05:22 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent

No reasonable person believes this anyway. People of all types are violent. We're primates after all
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Red_Frog
10/24/18 6:10:21 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Like Mead said, blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members.

What happens if it's an insane liberal?
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Revelation34
10/24/18 6:24:39 PM
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I'm sure the conspiracy theorists are having a field day.
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BlackScythe0
10/24/18 6:41:22 PM
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Right wing terrorism was on the rise under Obama. If I remember correctly assets that were directed to keep an eye on them were redirected after Trump won.
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WhiskeyDisk
10/24/18 6:42:00 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Been updated as pipe bombs.

Five total - Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Brennan, George Soros, and Eric Holder.

Like @mead said, blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members.


Might as well add Maxine Waters to the list too...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/24/politics/maxine-waters-suspicious-package/index.html
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Lobomoon
10/24/18 6:42:21 PM
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I'm sure Hilary and Obama faked it to create some publicity for themselves.
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ParanoidObsessive
10/24/18 6:42:21 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members.

A case can easily be made that no sane person period would do it regardless of political alignment. By the time you've graduated up to pipe bombs you're not really the most rational individual.

Though to play the obligatory bullshit Internet bipartisan mudslinging game, some people would argue that there's no such thing as a sane liberal regardless.


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WastelandCowboy
10/24/18 6:47:47 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members.

A case can easily be made that no sane person period would do it regardless of political alignment. By the time you've graduated up to pipe bombs you're not really the most rational individual.

Though to play the obligatory bullshit Internet bipartisan mudslinging game, some people would argue that there's no such thing as a sane liberal regardless.


Yeah, you have a great point there.

Shit, I have no idea what Im doing or talking about.
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WhiskeyDisk
10/24/18 7:04:37 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
By the time you've graduated up to pipe bombs you're not really the most rational individual.


I would argue that Ted "Unabomber" Kaczynski is an exception to this rule. Of course I would categorically denounce his bombing activities, but I would argue his manifesto Industrial Society and it's Future was absolutely brilliant and disturbingly prophetic in it's predictions of the sociopolitical climate we're now in.

It's as if he could see 25 years into the future to raise the alarm about issues nobody was even thinking about at the time.
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minervo
10/24/18 7:56:00 PM
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Red_Frog posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Like Mead said, blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members.

What happens if it's an insane liberal?

It almost certainly is. I'm not kidding. It's a twisted stunt meant to put democrats in a sympathetic position.
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WastelandCowboy
10/24/18 8:58:06 PM
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minervo posted...
Red_Frog posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Like Mead said, blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members.

What happens if it's an insane liberal?

It almost certainly is. I'm not kidding. It's a twisted stunt meant to put democrats in a sympathetic position.

But you have no proof.
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ParanoidObsessive
10/24/18 9:03:04 PM
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WhiskeyDisk posted...
I would argue that Ted "Unabomber" Kaczynski is an exception to this rule. Of course I would categorically denounce his bombing activities, but I would argue his manifesto Industrial Society and it's Future was absolutely brilliant and disturbingly prophetic in it's predictions of the sociopolitical climate we're now in.

But he chose to express that sentiment by trying to blow things up, which is pretty much the point where he might as well have shit in a grapefruit and worn it as a hat for all the good it did.

It doesn't really matter what your message is, or even if it's technically accurate. If you use asshole means to convey it, people are going to treat you like an asshole, and you're effectively undermining your own cause. You accomplish very little of substance, other than guaranteeing that most people are going to support the very things you're trying to oppose.

Sane people don't decide that the best possible way to advance their position is go out of their way to ensure that literally everyone is going to turn against them. Or that the best solution to political disagreements is to try and murder people with explosives.


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WhiskeyDisk
10/24/18 9:27:26 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
I would argue that Ted "Unabomber" Kaczynski is an exception to this rule. Of course I would categorically denounce his bombing activities, but I would argue his manifesto Industrial Society and it's Future was absolutely brilliant and disturbingly prophetic in it's predictions of the sociopolitical climate we're now in.

But he chose to express that sentiment by trying to blow things up, which is pretty much the point where he might as well have shit in a grapefruit and worn it as a hat for all the good it did.

It doesn't really matter what your message is, or even if it's technically accurate. If you use asshole means to convey it, people are going to treat you like an asshole, and you're effectively undermining your own cause. You accomplish very little of substance, other than guaranteeing that most people are going to support the very things you're trying to oppose.

Sane people don't decide that the best possible way to advance their position is go out of their way to ensure that literally everyone is going to turn against them. Or that the best solution to political disagreements is to try and murder people with explosives.



Again, I never said I agreed with Professor Ted's methods, but I cannot deny that his manifesto was a masterpiece. I can't just file him away as a simple lunatic. If anything, he is a genius turned evil, like Viktor von Doom or Otto Octavius. Even the craftsmanship on some of his bombs approached art. Rare hardwood cases, hand filed shrapnel...sure it poisoned his message, but I think his message is more relevant now than ever. I accept that I'm in an exceedingly small minority in this regard.
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Zeus
10/24/18 9:27:30 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members.


That doesn't mean that they aren't liberal, just that they aren't sane =p And some... oh, PO already did that joke >_>

All kidding aside, the targets were all *establishment* figures. Liberals who feel that Democrats betrayed liberals (and stabbed Supreme-Comrade Sanders in the back) would certainly be inclined to attack them. Or it could be a loonie lefty who thinks that it'll put heat on Republicans. Or a Muslim terrorist. Or a crazed conservative. Or somebody with no ideological affiliation but just a dislike of those individuals.
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TheWorstPoster
10/24/18 9:37:18 PM
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I don't know who is doing this, or why. I am guessing it is somebody on the Alt-Right, as I do not believe this to be a false-flag operation.

Only clue was an ISIS flag image attached to the packages, but I believe it could be intentionally misleading.

Whoever is doing this should be sent to a maximum security prison or executed. I hate everyone who he is sending the packages to, but this is terrorism.
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WastelandCowboy
10/24/18 9:40:02 PM
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Zeus posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members.


That doesn't mean that they aren't liberal, just that they aren't sane =p And some... oh, PO already did that joke >_>

All kidding aside, the targets were all *establishment* figures. Liberals who feel that Democrats betrayed liberals (and stabbed Supreme-Comrade Sanders in the back) would certainly be inclined to attack them. Or it could be a loonie lefty who thinks that it'll put heat on Republicans. Or a Muslim terrorist. Or a crazed conservative. Or somebody with no ideological affiliation but just a dislike of those individuals.

Or like @minervo claims, some asinine conspiracy stunt to garner sympathy.

The only thing that's weird about all this is that it happened just over two weeks from the midterms. But that's probably my cynicism paranoia showing.
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Mead
10/24/18 9:41:00 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
minervo posted...
Red_Frog posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Like Mead said, blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members.

What happens if it's an insane liberal?

It almost certainly is. I'm not kidding. It's a twisted stunt meant to put democrats in a sympathetic position.

But you have no proof.


Just trust him, hes super smart
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SkynyrdRocker
10/24/18 9:41:20 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
I don't know who is doing this, or why. I am guessing it is somebody on the Alt-Right, as I do not believe this to be a false-flag operation.

Only clue was an ISIS flag image attached to the packages, but I believe it could be intentionally misleading.

Whoever is doing this should be sent to a maximum security prison or executed. I hate everyone who he is sending the packages to, but this is terrorism.

Holy shit, ICOYAR is more rational than Zeus
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myghostisdead
10/24/18 9:47:23 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
I don't know who is doing this, or why. I am guessing it is somebody on the Alt-Right, as I do not believe this to be a false-flag operation.

Only clue was an ISIS flag image attached to the packages, but I believe it could be intentionally misleading.

Whoever is doing this should be sent to a maximum security prison or executed. I hate everyone who he is sending the packages to, but this is terrorism.


It looks to be a parody of the flag.
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OhhhJa
10/24/18 9:48:48 PM
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Things sure have gotten quite eventful before the midterms
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WastelandCowboy
10/24/18 9:52:54 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Things sure have gotten quite eventful before the midterms

And also during the Saudi Arabia scandal. Not saying they're connected, but I'm always skeptical of coincidences.
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mooreandrew58
10/25/18 1:15:23 AM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
I don't know who is doing this, or why. I am guessing it is somebody on the Alt-Right, as I do not believe this to be a false-flag operation.

Only clue was an ISIS flag image attached to the packages, but I believe it could be intentionally misleading.

Whoever is doing this should be sent to a maximum security prison or executed. I hate everyone who he is sending the packages to, but this is terrorism.


Agree just change hate to moderate dislike for me.

As someone pointed out with the Unabomber shit like this hurts your cause more than help it. Well cept maybe Soros if that had succeeded that may have indeed been a major blow to the Democratic party. Not that I'm condoning the action mind you. But Obama and Hillary nah. Even if it had succeeded its not like their isn't many other candidates that could fill their shoes, and their deaths would just cause people to rally together for the Democrats.
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WastelandCowboy
10/25/18 11:01:56 AM
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https://www.npr.org/2018/10/25/660458533/suspicious-package-discovered-in-nycs-tribeca-area

Updated at 10:35 a.m. ET

Federal investigators are searching on Thursday for whomever sent a wave of suspicious packages addressed to political nemeses of President Trump.

About nine of the envelopes, some of which have contained homemade pipe bomb-like potential explosives, have been intercepted or recovered by authorities.

The latest included a suspicious package addressed to former Vice President Joe Biden, which was found in New Castle County, Del., a law enforcement official said. The package was similar to other suspicious packages discovered in recent days.

And New York City police said a suspicious package was discovered in the Tribeca area of Manhattan in the early hours of Thursday morning. Officials confirmed the discovery to NPR, saying the matter is under investigation. That package contained a device similar to one recovered from the offices of CNN on Wednesday.

The package was found "at the business residence of Robert De Niro," New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo told NPR's David Greene. The Tribeca Grill, one of De Niro's restaurants, is at the corner of Greenwich and Franklin streets.
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Mead
10/25/18 11:33:27 AM
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Even if these had gotten through security they wouldnt have made it to their targets, they would have just ended up harming aids or staffers
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WhiskeyDisk
10/25/18 12:10:23 PM
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If DeNiro got one, I'm calling it now.

Michael Moore is getting one.
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darkknight109
10/25/18 1:18:11 PM
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minervo posted...
Red_Frog posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Like Mead said, blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members.

What happens if it's an insane liberal?

It almost certainly is. I'm not kidding. It's a twisted stunt meant to put democrats in a sympathetic position.

Yes, that makes sense - someone on the left pulled off a series of high profile federal crimes that could put them in prison for the rest of their life, that is now being investigated by multiple high-level federal investigative groups, and that, if it had succeeded, could have robbed the Democratic party of some of its highest-profile and most effective standard bearers/donors, all to try and impact public opinion ahead of an election where the results are already heavily slanted in favour of one outcome (Democratic house, Republican senate) and are unlikely to change. That seems very logical.
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KaptainKiro
10/25/18 2:04:15 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
That seems very logical.


cant apply conventional logic to this situation
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SunWuKung420
10/25/18 2:19:12 PM
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This entire administration has lied to us from the beginning and now you think they are telling the truth. ROFL!
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mooreandrew58
10/25/18 2:53:42 PM
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KaptainKiro posted...
darkknight109 posted...
That seems very logical.


cant apply conventional logic to this situation


Exactly either side could have done it either way they are crazy beyond reason. If a liberal crazy in that they could have killed someone (if the things where even meant to blow up) and risk prison over smearing the republicans..

If conservative crazy in that a sane person would know how this looks and would risk making their side look bad just to take out a few people one of which at least outside some public speeches is as far as I'm aware retired.
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OhhhJa
10/25/18 3:05:33 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
minervo posted...
Red_Frog posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Like Mead said, blows that claim that its only liberals that are violent as no sane liberal would mail this shit to to their own party members.

What happens if it's an insane liberal?

It almost certainly is. I'm not kidding. It's a twisted stunt meant to put democrats in a sympathetic position.

Yes, that makes sense - someone on the left pulled off a series of high profile federal crimes that could put them in prison for the rest of their life, that is now being investigated by multiple high-level federal investigative groups, and that, if it had succeeded, could have robbed the Democratic party of some of its highest-profile and most effective standard bearers/donors, all to try and impact public opinion ahead of an election where the results are already heavily slanted in favour of one outcome (Democratic house, Republican senate) and are unlikely to change. That seems very logical.

It definitely wouldnt be the first nor the craziest false flag ever
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Mead
10/25/18 3:22:37 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
This entire administration has lied to us from the beginning and now you think they are telling the truth. ROFL!


Hard to believe that some folks still dont see the plainly apparent truth that Trump had over 8 billion people show up for his inauguration
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Umitencho
10/25/18 5:45:48 PM
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And now more bombs have been found to have been mailed to other prominent Democrats. Yeah, we are now in the era of right wing terrorism which is sad considering that conservatives have the majority control down the board.
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Entity13
10/25/18 5:52:00 PM
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Umitencho posted...
And now more bombs have been found to have been mailed to other prominent Democrats. Yeah, we are now in the era of right wing terrorism which is sad considering that conservatives have the majority control down the board.


Their power is threatened with the coming election, likely. How dare we actually, you know, observe our republic's democratic practices, or have viewpoints that oppose to the hard right (even we moderates)? Liberals might have their own issues, but they're not stripping people of the ability to vote at the last minute or actively trying to kill public figures who represent the other major party.
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GasMonkey
10/25/18 6:08:04 PM
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we just have to sit and be civil with these types, economic anxiety is strong still.
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Umitencho
10/25/18 6:10:46 PM
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Entity13 posted...
Umitencho posted...
And now more bombs have been found to have been mailed to other prominent Democrats. Yeah, we are now in the era of right wing terrorism which is sad considering that conservatives have the majority control down the board.


Their power is threatened with the coming election, likely. How dare we actually, you know, observe our republic's democratic practices, or have viewpoints that oppose to the hard right (even we moderates)? Liberals might have their own issues, but they're not stripping people of the ability to vote at the last minute or actively trying to kill public figures who represent the other major party.


Just goes to show you just how under the surface some people's murderer inclinations are. And all it took to bring it to the surface was to elect the flaming racist cheeto and wait a year or two. I mean Trump has been calling for violence since he made that roundabout statement about how if Clinton wins, guns owners will or should revolt.

You win, you shot at.
You loose, you get blown up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvjGoXewcSU" data-time="


I disagree with conservatives a lot but that doesn't give me the right to take or attempt to take their lives.

Meanwhile Trump on twitter pretty much saying that they deserved the mailed bombs. Like wtf?
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Mead
10/25/18 6:23:05 PM
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Help we control all three heads of government we are so obstructed
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Entity13
10/25/18 6:23:55 PM
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Umitencho posted...
I disagree with conservatives a lot but that doesn't give me the right to take or attempt to take their lives.


See, I don't mind actual Conservatives, folk who stand for values that can be defined. With recent events, I don't see many actual Conservatives, but just angry assholes rife with double (sometimes triple) standards or no standards at all, demanding and brazen, full of insults and misconceptions whilst projecting their own inadequacies on everyone else, and saying that anyone who disagrees with them should be civil all the while they do shit like this. I do not see core values here.

For the actual Conservatives out there, I apologize. You deserve so much better than to be represented by these aggressive, logically unsound, mentally unfit mobs. That's to say nothing of the money-gobbling politicians practically ruling both the Republicans and Democrats; just... I'm sorry, Conservatives.
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minervo
10/25/18 6:26:59 PM
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Umitencho posted...
Entity13 posted...
Umitencho posted...
And now more bombs have been found to have been mailed to other prominent Democrats. Yeah, we are now in the era of right wing terrorism which is sad considering that conservatives have the majority control down the board.


Their power is threatened with the coming election, likely. How dare we actually, you know, observe our republic's democratic practices, or have viewpoints that oppose to the hard right (even we moderates)? Liberals might have their own issues, but they're not stripping people of the ability to vote at the last minute or actively trying to kill public figures who represent the other major party.


Just goes to show you just how under the surface some people's murderer inclinations are. And all it took to bring it to the surface was to elect the flaming racist cheeto and wait a year or two. I mean Trump has been calling for violence since he made that roundabout statement about how if Clinton wins, guns owners will or should revolt.

You win, you shot at.
You loose, you get blown up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvjGoXewcSU" data-time="


I disagree with conservatives a lot but that doesn't give me the right to take or attempt to take their lives.

Meanwhile Trump on twitter pretty much saying that they deserved the mailed bombs. Like wtf?

The hell are you talking about? Nowhere in that video did Trump say whatever crap you're claiming. Also, Trump said he agrees wholeheartedly with Pence's comment, here it is:

We condemn the attempted attacks against fmr Pres Obama, the Clintons, @CNN & others. These cowardly actions are despicable & have no place in this Country. Grateful for swift response of @SecretService, @FBI & local law enforcement. Those responsible will be brought to justice.

Stop trying to spread lies.
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Umitencho
10/25/18 6:50:49 PM
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minervo posted...
Umitencho posted...
Entity13 posted...
Umitencho posted...
And now more bombs have been found to have been mailed to other prominent Democrats. Yeah, we are now in the era of right wing terrorism which is sad considering that conservatives have the majority control down the board.


Their power is threatened with the coming election, likely. How dare we actually, you know, observe our republic's democratic practices, or have viewpoints that oppose to the hard right (even we moderates)? Liberals might have their own issues, but they're not stripping people of the ability to vote at the last minute or actively trying to kill public figures who represent the other major party.


Just goes to show you just how under the surface some people's murderer inclinations are. And all it took to bring it to the surface was to elect the flaming racist cheeto and wait a year or two. I mean Trump has been calling for violence since he made that roundabout statement about how if Clinton wins, guns owners will or should revolt.

You win, you shot at.
You loose, you get blown up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html
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I disagree with conservatives a lot but that doesn't give me the right to take or attempt to take their lives.

Meanwhile Trump on twitter pretty much saying that they deserved the mailed bombs. Like wtf?

The hell are you talking about? Nowhere in that video did Trump say whatever crap you're claiming. Also, Trump said he agrees wholeheartedly with Pence's comment, here it is:

We condemn the attempted attacks against fmr Pres Obama, the Clintons, @CNN & others. These cowardly actions are despicable & have no place in this Country. Grateful for swift response of @SecretService, @FBI & local law enforcement. Those responsible will be brought to justice.

Stop trying to spread lies.


Moments later:

A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!

He says one thing and then go right back on twitter and goes in the other direction. As for how his spew about the media ties back to the bombs, CNN also was a target of the bomb mailing.

Did you even read the article explaining it? Or did you just gloss over like an fool and went straight into attack mode.

Even then:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/back-trump-comments-perceived-encouraging-violence/story?id=48415766

He has a history of dog-whistling for violent actions.
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minervo
10/25/18 6:56:18 PM
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Why would I read an article from the same source that employs the racist Sarah Jeong? I saw the video, that's the evidence, stop trying to alter people's opinion in your ridiculous favour.
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Umitencho
10/25/18 7:00:45 PM
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I provide evidence with an explanation of how said evidence fits my argument.

Your reponse is "nuh-huh, you the liar!"

I provide more evidence, your response to to admit that you didn't even look at the majority of my evidence.

Therefore, I am done talking you. Enjoy your world of "alternate facts".

You are a prime example of what they mean by arguing in bad faith.
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minervo
10/25/18 7:04:28 PM
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Umitencho posted...
I provide evidence with an explanation of how said evidence fits my argument.

Your reponse is "nuh-huh, you the liar!"

I provide more evidence, your response to to admit that you didn't even look at the majority of my evidence.

Therefore, I am done talking you. Enjoy your world of "alternate facts".

You are a prime example of what they mean by arguing in bad faith.

You didn't respond at all to my arguments, but thanks for giving me the final word.
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darkknight109
10/25/18 8:25:43 PM
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minervo posted...
Why would I read an article from the same source that employs the racist Sarah Jeong?

Ad hominem argument.

Just because you dislike the messenger doesn't make the message incorrect.
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minervo
10/25/18 8:36:09 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
minervo posted...
Why would I read an article from the same source that employs the racist Sarah Jeong?

Ad hominem argument.

Just because you dislike the messenger doesn't make the message incorrect.

I tried my best to read the article. Couldn't do more than skim through it, it was so boring, biased and disgusting.

Would you drink from a well that yesterday had poop flowing through it, when there are several other wells you can drink from? Would you even look in that well? Cause that's what i just did, and I can still smell the poop.
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