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TheRock1525
10/11/18 8:47:45 AM
#451:


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/10/us/politics/kavanaugh-immigration-supreme-court-case.html

Even Gorsuch thinks he sucks.
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Kenri
10/11/18 10:48:17 AM
#452:


Weird that Kavanaugh is now arguing people should be held responsible for crimes from a long time ago.
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Knight13
10/11/18 10:51:50 AM
#453:


Kenri posted...
Weird that Kavanaugh is now arguing people should be held responsible for crimes from a long time ago.


It would be more accurate to say that Kavanaugh pointed out (rightly)

1: He didnt do anything
2: Even if he did, not like you can prove it.
3: This ladies story doesnt remotely line up.

It is ONLY because the Republicans want to dodge a fire storm for midterms they dont charge her for perjury. Because she did have conflicting stories under oath numerous times.

Where as on the illegal immigration, you are breaking the law every second you breathe, so
Yes, you should be held accountable for crimes you committed long ago because you are still doing it.
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Knight13
10/11/18 10:55:49 AM
#454:


Also, for what its worth.

Senate +2 (maybe miraculously 3 given the change we are seeing in a couple particular ones all of a sudden.)
House -13

Anyone at this point in time that has the Senate even is in a stage of denial that mere humans cant comprehend.

As weve seen time and time again virtually every poll is ridiculously biased to Dems, and even they are starting to realize youre actually going to LOSE seats during a midterm.
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Kenri
10/11/18 10:59:09 AM
#455:


Knight13 posted...
Kenri posted...
Weird that Kavanaugh is now arguing people should be held responsible for crimes from a long time ago.


It would be more accurate to say that Kavanaugh pointed out (rightly)

1: He didnt do anything
2: Even if he did, not like you can prove it.
3: This ladies story doesnt remotely line up.

It is ONLY because the Republicans want to dodge a fire storm for midterms they dont charge her for perjury. Because she did have conflicting stories under oath numerous times.

Where as on the illegal immigration, you are breaking the law every second you breathe, so
Yes, you should be held accountable for crimes you committed long ago because you are still doing it.

I think you're legitimately mixing up Kavanaugh and Ford here lmao
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Espeon
10/11/18 11:00:54 AM
#456:


What proof do you have that Christine Blasey Ford committed perjury, MWC? I thought we were innocent until proven guilty?
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LapisLazuli
10/11/18 11:03:33 AM
#457:


Oh, this MWC?

Was about to bemoan the woes of the contest season.
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Knight13
10/11/18 11:06:39 AM
#458:


Kenri posted...
Knight13 posted...
Kenri posted...
Weird that Kavanaugh is now arguing people should be held responsible for crimes from a long time ago.


It would be more accurate to say that Kavanaugh pointed out (rightly)

1: He didnt do anything
2: Even if he did, not like you can prove it.
3: This ladies story doesnt remotely line up.

It is ONLY because the Republicans want to dodge a fire storm for midterms they dont charge her for perjury. Because she did have conflicting stories under oath numerous times.

Where as on the illegal immigration, you are breaking the law every second you breathe, so
Yes, you should be held accountable for crimes you committed long ago because you are still doing it.

I think you're legitimately mixing up Kavanaugh and Ford here lmao


Ah yes....

Kavanaugh was DEFINITELY the one who didnt remember anything.

Did Ford even remember the year? I know she didnt remember anything else?

Maybe she remembered the year when she saw Kavanaughs calendar.

But beyond all that it was DEFINITELY Kavanaugh yall.

Sure I barely remember my own name that night (or day, or evening, or whatever time Im supposed to say it was, I cant remember) but I can promise you it was him. And that other somewhat known guy was there too.

Whose party it was, who I went with, what I drank, all that other shit.... no sir.

But god damn it was Kavanaugh.

K was raped as many of you know.

Would you like to know what she knows about that night?

How bout everything. Ive heard it in DEEP detail, she has literally relayed to me trees and what they looked like. She remembers the house, the day, who it was, what she drank all night, what drugs she did that day before the party, her sister finding her afterwards.... everything.

Cause it was traumatic and memorable (and your mind remembers everything surrounding memorable).

Ford may have went home with a friend, in a car, or on a bus, hell maybe she teleported, its about as likely as anything else she said.
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Knight13
10/11/18 11:08:28 AM
#459:


Espeon posted...
What proof do you have that Christine Blasey Ford committed perjury, MWC? I thought we were innocent until proven guilty?


Id say when she lied would be that moment...

And she is. And shell forever be innocent because the Republicans wont dare charge her.
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Espeon
10/11/18 11:08:37 AM
#460:


Also, I feel like an innocent man (Im going off your assertion that Kavanaugh made these statements, but Im assuming its more pundits making claims than anything else) would not add number two there. 1, sure. Anyone is gonna deny sexual assault allegations. 3, sure. Of course the accused will try to discredit his accuser. But 2? I dont see why anyone would go the generic Hollywood bad guy route if they were legitimately innocent.
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LapisLazuli
10/11/18 11:08:38 AM
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Espeon
10/11/18 11:10:46 AM
#462:


Knight13 posted...
Espeon posted...
What proof do you have that Christine Blasey Ford committed perjury, MWC? I thought we were innocent until proven guilty?


Id say when she lied would be that moment...

And she is. And shell forever be innocent because the Republicans wont dare charge her.


What proof do you have that she lied? Because Ive seen outright proof that Kavanaugh lied under oath multiple times, but no such claims about Dr. Ford.
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Knight13
10/11/18 11:10:57 AM
#463:


Espeon posted...
Also, I feel like an innocent man (Im going off your assertion that Kavanaugh made these statements, but Im assuming its more pundits making claims than anything else) would not add number two there. 1, sure. Anyone is gonna deny sexual assault allegations. 3, sure. Of course the accused will try to discredit his accuser. But 2? I dont see why anyone would go the generic Hollywood bad guy route if they were legitimately innocent.


But 2 actually IS important in America.

Thats what separates us from many others.

Do I think thats his personal thought? I couldnt tell you, but 2 is vastly important.

We as a country can never lose 2
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Espeon
10/11/18 11:12:21 AM
#464:


Knight13 posted...
Espeon posted...
Also, I feel like an innocent man (Im going off your assertion that Kavanaugh made these statements, but Im assuming its more pundits making claims than anything else) would not add number two there. 1, sure. Anyone is gonna deny sexual assault allegations. 3, sure. Of course the accused will try to discredit his accuser. But 2? I dont see why anyone would go the generic Hollywood bad guy route if they were legitimately innocent.


But 2 actually IS important in America.

Thats what separates us from many others.

Do I think thats his personal thought? I couldnt tell you, but 2 is vastly important.

We as a country can never lose 2


Yet youre claiming that Christine Ford committed perjury without proof. So clearly you dont care about the law as it is, so much as your side winning.
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HashtagSEP
10/11/18 11:15:42 AM
#465:


Why are you replying to MWC of all people

Just ignore him, he'll get himself banned again before long
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Knight13
10/11/18 11:19:36 AM
#466:


Espeon posted...
Knight13 posted...
Espeon posted...
Also, I feel like an innocent man (Im going off your assertion that Kavanaugh made these statements, but Im assuming its more pundits making claims than anything else) would not add number two there. 1, sure. Anyone is gonna deny sexual assault allegations. 3, sure. Of course the accused will try to discredit his accuser. But 2? I dont see why anyone would go the generic Hollywood bad guy route if they were legitimately innocent.


But 2 actually IS important in America.

Thats what separates us from many others.

Do I think thats his personal thought? I couldnt tell you, but 2 is vastly important.

We as a country can never lose 2


Yet youre claiming that Christine Ford committed perjury without proof. So clearly you dont care about the law as it is, so much as your side winning.


You are PRESUMED innocence until proven guilty.

That said if you saw someone shoot your mom in the face even though legally theyd be innocent until conviction by the state, personally would have evidence that to you hes a murderer

Although if he was somehow cleared you have to let that go.

Its something I struggle with all the time on OJ.
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Kenri
10/11/18 11:28:24 AM
#467:


Knight13 posted...
Kavanaugh was DEFINITELY the one who didnt remember anything.

i guess we'll never know since he lied so much lol
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Knight13
10/11/18 11:35:31 AM
#468:


Ive yet to see ANYTHING from non biased sources he lied about except Devilstriange. But good kick proving that one, and that should have NEVER ever entered conversation.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with the claims against him.
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Espeon
10/11/18 11:37:47 AM
#469:


Who would you consider both unbiased AND willing to publish negative information regarding Brett Kavanaugh?
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Knight13
10/11/18 11:40:19 AM
#470:


Espeon posted...
Who would you consider both unbiased AND willing to publish negative information regarding Brett Kavanaugh?


PLENTY of honest people said he should have gone to someone besides Kavanaugh during this.... however none of those people said he lied. So quite a few actually.
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Kenri
10/11/18 11:43:49 AM
#471:


Knight13 posted...
Ive yet to see ANYTHING from non biased sources he lied about except Devilstriange.

I'm aware of your ignorance, yes.
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Corrik
10/11/18 11:47:37 AM
#472:


Espeon posted...
Knight13 posted...
Espeon posted...
What proof do you have that Christine Blasey Ford committed perjury, MWC? I thought we were innocent until proven guilty?


Id say when she lied would be that moment...

And she is. And shell forever be innocent because the Republicans wont dare charge her.


What proof do you have that she lied? Because Ive seen outright proof that Kavanaugh lied under oath multiple times, but no such claims about Dr. Ford.

Ok
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HanOfTheNekos
10/11/18 11:50:50 AM
#473:


Let's talk about the fact that were all gonna die in 20 years due to unchecked climate catastrophe
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Knight13
10/11/18 11:53:17 AM
#474:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Let's talk about the fact that were all gonna die in 20 years due to unchecked climate catastrophe


Eh... according to Revelations well nuke all but about a 5th of this hr population way before that matters
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HanOfTheNekos
10/11/18 12:17:09 PM
#476:


Ulti, we've been over this before CFC's were used in old AC units and aerosol containers. They were credited with causing a hole in the ozone layer. We banned them. That hole is closing up.

Being whiny about it doesn't change it from being true. And you need to stop conflating older talking points with modern day situations - you're just proving that you have nothing worthwhile to say.
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Espeon
10/11/18 12:18:11 PM
#477:


Knight13 posted...
Espeon posted...
Who would you consider both unbiased AND willing to publish negative information regarding Brett Kavanaugh?


PLENTY of honest people said he should have gone to someone besides Kavanaugh during this.... however none of those people said he lied. So quite a few actually.


No no no no. Its EASY for people on EITHER side of the aisle to say Trump should nominate someone else. Because regardless of the situation, it was the Republicans seat to fill. You dont need to have a political opposition to make that statement.

However, I asked you who would openly call him out for lying. That requires the unbiased sources to go beyond offering up a noncommittal take on the situation (an opinion, mind you, not facts) and provide information that doesnt sugarcoat things for their audience.

This is the thing. Whether you want to hear it or not, the entire Republican platform is based around identity politics. Not just racism, sexism and homophobiaalthough those are prominent points for a party that is overwhelmingly white and Christian, and increasingly male-dominatedbut just an anti-liberal identity in general. Liberals want to murder babies. Liberals want to destroy your marriage. Liberals want to take your guns so that foreign criminals can invade the country and take over.

My point with that paragraph is that conservative ideology in this country is based entirely on a black and white notion that Republicans are good and Democrats are evil. And thus, there is no incentive for conservative publications to publish information that disparages Republicans. Lets assume, for the sake of argument, that Kavanaugh perjured himself multiple times during his confirmation hearings. What incentive do your unbiased sources have to do any sort of leg work or fact checking to point out those lies? Do you think the readers would suddenly be enlightened, or do you think they would suddenly start to doubt the credibility of that publication? Do you think their readers might start to consider them biased for providing information that goes against their good/evil narrative?
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Corrik
10/11/18 12:32:21 PM
#478:


I really think Hawley is going to carry Missouri. Ever since just before the confirmation he has been ahead in every poll I have seen.
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Corrik
10/11/18 12:43:09 PM
#479:


I guess the bigger question here is. If Repubs say go +2. Do they try to take out obamacare again?
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LordoftheMorons
10/11/18 12:56:42 PM
#480:


Well, they cant take it out unless they keep the House as well

Though I guess they might make another run at a vote for show knowing that they dont have a sensible replacement if it has no chance of becoming law
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LordoftheMorons
10/11/18 1:03:18 PM
#481:


Absolutely sickening response from Trump on Khashoggi:

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1050419885891829760?s=21
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Eddv
10/11/18 1:04:32 PM
#482:


What will be a little bit interesting is if the Democrats take the house and pass a Medicare for all proposal does the Senate also do that, move the goalposts and claim victory in their goal to repeal Obama care?
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CoolCly
10/11/18 1:04:36 PM
#483:


https://globalnews.ca/news/4536509/u-s-wont-ban-canadian-pot-workers/

phew

as a canadian pot worker going to blizzcon in a few weeks, i was legitimately concerned about this ban
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GuessMyUserName
10/11/18 1:23:15 PM
#484:


man kanye rambling now this man is so insanely stupid

literally talkin' alternate universes

wait holy fuck why is he saying he didn't like Hillary's campaign because he his parents separated and he didn't grow up with "male energy" and now he lives with a Kardashian family of women

literally saying hillary's campaign didn't make him feel "like as guy that could play catch with his son"
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GuessMyUserName
10/11/18 1:29:58 PM
#485:


this is completely insane, Kanye just mad rambling from the white house
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Knight13
10/11/18 1:34:10 PM
#486:


Reminder...

Trump has ALREADY done more to help the people of Chicago... than the Savior Obama.... the guy from Chicago.

Have a nice day
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Espeon
10/11/18 1:37:20 PM
#487:


Citation needed.
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Shaduln
10/11/18 1:38:20 PM
#488:


The Onion
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Knight13
10/11/18 1:39:17 PM
#489:


Espeon posted...
Citation needed.


Not really...

Obama did LITERALLY nothing.
By definition of literally.

In fact an absolute 0.

He didnt even pay it lip service.

Trump has done more just by having a dialog.
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lordloki12
10/11/18 1:40:39 PM
#490:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Absolutely sickening response from Trump on Khashoggi:

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1050419885891829760?s=21


Basically as long as you give us money you can kill whoever you want.
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Knight13
10/11/18 1:44:30 PM
#491:


lordloki12 posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Absolutely sickening response from Trump on Khashoggi:

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1050419885891829760?s=21


Basically as long as you give us money you can kill whoever you want.


So are you wanting Prince Ferdinand here?

What reason would we get involved in this?

Jefferson would be proud.
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Espeon
10/11/18 1:45:15 PM
#492:


Knight13 posted...
Espeon posted...
Citation needed.


Not really...

Obama did LITERALLY nothing.
By definition of literally.

In fact an absolute 0.

He didnt even pay it lip service.

Trump has done more just by having a dialog.


Citation needed.

Cause I could easily say that, by wanting gun control in this country, Obama at least ATTEMPTED to do more to help Chicago (which according to Trump is a criminal cesspool) that Trump.

This feels like Ultis Democrats dont help black people, so why dont black people vote Republican argument, where it ignores that apathy is still better than negativity.
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Knight13
10/11/18 1:48:09 PM
#493:


Espeon posted...
Knight13 posted...
Espeon posted...
Citation needed.


Not really...

Obama did LITERALLY nothing.
By definition of literally.

In fact an absolute 0.

He didnt even pay it lip service.

Trump has done more just by having a dialog.


Citation needed.

Cause I could easily say that, by wanting gun control in this country, Obama at least ATTEMPTED to do more to help Chicago (which according to Trump is a criminal cesspool) that Trump.

This feels like Ultis Democrats dont help black people, so why dont black people vote Republican argument, where it ignores that apathy is still better than negativity.


And I would point out gun control is fucking cancer and EVERY single place in America that has it to any significant degree is crime ridden while ones that dont always have less violent crime....

So no. That would not be helping Chicago
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Espeon
10/11/18 1:54:16 PM
#494:


Knight13 posted...
Espeon posted...
Knight13 posted...
Espeon posted...
Citation needed.


Not really...

Obama did LITERALLY nothing.
By definition of literally.

In fact an absolute 0.

He didnt even pay it lip service.

Trump has done more just by having a dialog.


Citation needed.

Cause I could easily say that, by wanting gun control in this country, Obama at least ATTEMPTED to do more to help Chicago (which according to Trump is a criminal cesspool) that Trump.

This feels like Ultis Democrats dont help black people, so why dont black people vote Republican argument, where it ignores that apathy is still better than negativity.


And I would point out gun control is fucking cancer and EVERY single place in America that has it to any significant degree is crime ridden while ones that dont always have less violent crime....

So no. That would not be helping Chicago


As I just said, Chicago has a great deal of illegal firearms because despite rigid gun control laws in Illinois, that doesnt prevent criminals from crossing state lines and taking advantage of their lax regulations. Gun control only works across the board.
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The Mana Sword
10/11/18 2:00:23 PM
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Knight13
10/11/18 2:01:06 PM
#496:


Espeon posted...
Knight13 posted...
Espeon posted...
Knight13 posted...
Espeon posted...
Citation needed.


Not really...

Obama did LITERALLY nothing.
By definition of literally.

In fact an absolute 0.

He didnt even pay it lip service.

Trump has done more just by having a dialog.


Citation needed.

Cause I could easily say that, by wanting gun control in this country, Obama at least ATTEMPTED to do more to help Chicago (which according to Trump is a criminal cesspool) that Trump.

This feels like Ultis Democrats dont help black people, so why dont black people vote Republican argument, where it ignores that apathy is still better than negativity.


And I would point out gun control is fucking cancer and EVERY single place in America that has it to any significant degree is crime ridden while ones that dont always have less violent crime....

So no. That would not be helping Chicago


As I just said, Chicago has a great deal of illegal firearms because despite rigid gun control laws in Illinois, that doesnt prevent criminals from crossing state lines and taking advantage of their lax regulations. Gun control only works across the board.


While this dumb excuse the identity politics party uses is fun and all, it fails to explain why the places with LESS laws have less violent crime.

There are only 2 options here.

Either its the lax laws, OR its that the people in the city are evil. And I dont think youd want to make that second one for obvious reasons given the make up of every city this occurs in.
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Espeon
10/11/18 2:12:05 PM
#497:


Or option 3, which ISNT the racist option youre going for: states with gun regulations have higher population density in cities and thus regardless of racial make-up are more likely to feature gun violence.

Meanwhile, extremely lax gun regulations in states like Louisiana, Alaska, Montana, have much higher rates of gun violence per capita.
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banananor
10/11/18 2:14:02 PM
#498:


I thought MWC was banned
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Knight13
10/11/18 2:15:50 PM
#499:


Espeon posted...
Or option 3, which ISNT the racist option youre going for: states with gun regulations have higher population density in cities and thus regardless of racial make-up are more likely to feature gun violence.

Meanwhile, extremely lax gun regulations in states like Louisiana, Alaska, Montana, have much higher rates of gun violence per capita.


Except Houston exists....

So 3 is dead.

It is now officially one or two

Either gun laws prompt gun violence in America (shown by every study ever) or you can go the city make up route.
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EndOfDiscOne
10/11/18 2:17:07 PM
#500:


Lock Her Up
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