Current Events > Does anyone actually believe the accusation against Kavanaugh?

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Feinstein got the accusation letter in July, but for some reason was ok with a US judge being a rapist until a week before he gets onto the supreme court when she submitted the letter to the FBI

Ford claims that Mark Judge saved her by jumping on top of them and separating them, but Judge himself says it never happened

Ford has motives to slander Kavanaugh beyond just being a liberal professor of humanities and a Democrat; Kavanaugh's mother was the judge in a case that got Ford's parents' home foreclosed on.

http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/casesearch/inquiryDetail.jis?caseId=156006V&loc=68&detailLoc=MCCI

And lastly, Ford herself was ok with Kavanaugh being a high-ranking judge for decades but only nowafter 35 years decides to release a rape accusation.

::thinkyface::
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I would want until they testify under oath about this so i dont have an opinion other than her claim could be valid.

I have more an issue on idiots who decide to stand firmly on one side or the other of this accusation before all the facts are known.

Well Mal is being repulsive as usual

Let's laugh at this dumb chart he made


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Only sane people mal.
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I'm not going to assume that Kavanaugh must be guilty due to the accusation.

I'm also not going to assume that she is lying to just harm/slander him chances.

Pretty much how I view every accusation like this at first. I just keep paying attention to build a better idea of what exactly happened.

I do think that it is something that should hold off on voting him in until more information is able to be discovered about it though one way or the other.
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I thought she first made this accusation in 2012

Either way I don't think it's all that relevant. If he had actually raped her it would be one thing, but they're essentially saying he shouldn't serve on the Supreme Court because he was a handsy teenager and that's ridiculous
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Really though it happened in high school even if it happened he wasn't the same person. He was still developing mentally and really wouldn't have gotten much punishment for what happened. There is no evidence he has done anything like that as an adult.

There are many reasons to oppose Kavanaugh but this isn't one of them.
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I'm not saying I don't believe it. I just hate how a man's life can be ruined based off an accusation. At the very least he needs to be charged or convicted before people start saying he is a rapist.
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Yes, I believe the accusation.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

I would want until they testify under oath about this so i dont have an opinion other than her claim could be valid.

Any claim could be valid, but this claim is way too suspicious to be taken seriously.
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Part of the problem is that everything surrounding this case is equal parts convincing and bogus.

The timing of the accusation is bogus, but it was supposedly brought forward months ago.

The notes from the therapist seem legit, except therapists never mentions anybody by name and the notes actually have the wrong number of people when compared to her recent recounting of the events.

The woman supposedly has a witness, but the witness says that none of the things she claimed happened actually happened.

This should certainly be looked into, but that's also physically impossible because it's an event from 30 years ago.

The only thing we know it for sure is that this is an act of political theater performed right before a vote in a last ditch desperate attempt to prevent the confirmation of a man that, absent this accusation, has a pristine personal and professional history and offers literally nothing compelling that would motivate somebody to vote against him based on qualifications. It's designed from the ground up to delay a vote until after the midterms.
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Absolutely not. The dems just realized that they arent going to get their way, so they want to ruin it for everybody.

The problem is that theyre really bad at coming up with believable lies. (Theyre also bad at making memes)
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No. It's a blatant stall tactic otherwise Feinstein would have brought it up at some point between when she received the letter in July and last week. Wouldn't want to have gotten the pointless "investigation" out of the way a month ago when you might be able to delay the confirmation right before the midterms.
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Error1355 posted...

I do think that it is something that should hold off on voting him in until more information is able to be discovered about it though one way or the other.

If you could delay any vote just by finding some stooge who's willing to say that something happened three decades prior, do you have any idea how much dirtier politics will get
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Damn there are some really bitter shitposters in here. I don't understand why you'd bother to post if you will simply disagree with Mal out of principle.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Error1355 posted...

I do think that it is something that should hold off on voting him in until more information is able to be discovered about it though one way or the other.

If you could delay any vote just by finding some stooge who's willing to say that something happened three decades prior, do you have any idea how much dirtier politics will get

And now youre calling her a stooge. What is honestly wrong with you. I mean seriously.

Damn, its a mess. I dont know what to think, except that I do hate rapists. On the other hand, he is accused of the attempt. And this was when he was a teen?

Its times like this when I prefer not to go by what I believe and instead wait for proof.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Damn there are some really bitter shitposters in here. I don't understand why you'd bother to post if you will simply disagree with Mal out of principle.

Mal isn't worth the time and effort it takes to argue with him rationally

Hence why few people bother with him
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shockthemonkey posted...

ThePrinceFish posted...

No. It's a blatant stall tactic otherwise Feinstein would have brought it up at some point between when she received the letter in July and last week. Wouldn't want to have gotten the pointless "investigation" out of the way a month ago when you might be able to delay the confirmation right before the midterms.

Feinstein using the accusations at a politically opportune time does not take away from the victim discussing this in therapy 6 years ago.

It does when the therapy notes don't match up with her accusations of Kavanaugh.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Error1355 posted...

I do think that it is something that should hold off on voting him in until more information is able to be discovered about it though one way or the other.

If you could delay any vote just by finding some stooge who's willing to say that something happened three decades prior, do you have any idea how much dirtier politics will get

And now youre calling her a stooge. What is honestly wrong with you. I mean seriously.

I'm not talking about her specifically, I'm talking about this precedent.

If a baseless accusation of a crime were enough to delay any vote you waned, then making up an accusation against a person would be a fantastically strategic way to block any vote you didn't like. There would be literally no reason for a politician not to do this.
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Presumption of innocence applies to a trial but not to the election, nomination or confirmation of a public official. Based on what we know, Ford is more trustworthy than Kavanaugh, who basically perjured himself.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Error1355 posted...

I do think that it is something that should hold off on voting him in until more information is able to be discovered about it though one way or the other.

If you could delay any vote just by finding some stooge who's willing to say that something happened three decades prior, do you have any idea how much dirtier politics will get

And now youre calling her a stooge. What is honestly wrong with you. I mean seriously.

Youd be singing a different tune if the shoe was on the other foot. This is the theme of the democrats attack: create lies, push lies, pay a washed up loser to repeat the lies, then... nothing burger.
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A republican engaging in sexual misconduct is one of the more believable things.
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Polycosm posted...

Presumption of innocence applies to a trial but not to the election, nomination or confirmation of a public official. Based on what we know, Ford is more trustworthy than Kavanaugh, who basically perjured himself.

you talking about his answers with respect to his involvement in the Bush administrations approval of torture?
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Polycosm posted...

Presumption of innocence applies to a trial but not to the election, nomination or confirmation of a public official. Based on what we know, Ford is more trustworthy than Kavanaugh, who basically perjured himself.

Claims that are made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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how do you even verify if something like this is true or not?
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Error1355 posted...

I do think that it is something that should hold off on voting him in until more information is able to be discovered about it though one way or the other.

If you could delay any vote just by finding some stooge who's willing to say that something happened three decades prior, do you have any idea how much dirtier politics will get

And now youre calling her a stooge. What is honestly wrong with you. I mean seriously.

I'm not talking about her specifically, I'm talking about this precedent.

If a baseless accusation of a crime were enough to delay any vote you waned, then making up an accusation against a person would be a fantastically strategic way to block any vote you didn't like. There would be literally no reason for a politician not to do this.

tfw you realize they don't because it's not actually as easy or reliable as you're stupidly implying it would be
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The thing that gets me is, this story comes out, and less than a day later they've supposedly gotten in touch with over 50 women he knew back then.

That's just a little too quick, IMO.
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Doom_Art posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Damn there are some really bitter shitposters in here. I don't understand why you'd bother to post if you will simply disagree with Mal out of principle.

Mal isn't worth the time and effort it takes to argue with him rationally

Hence why few people bother with him

Get the fuck outta here then lmfao. When I encounter people like that (shockthemonkey, sktgamerdude, P4wn4g3, etc) I just add them to my ignore list and move on
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creativerealms posted...

Really though it happened in high school even if it happened he wasn't the same person. He was still developing mentally and really wouldn't have gotten much punishment for what happened. There is no evidence he has done anything like that as an adult.

There are many reasons to oppose Kavanaugh but this isn't one of them.

You know, I somehow went through high school and college without even coming close to sexually assaulting a woman. It is not hard to do. Boys will be boys is no excuse for what he is accused of doing.
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

The thing that gets me is, this story comes out, and less than a day later they've supposedly gotten in touch with over 50 women he knew back then.

That's just a little too quick, IMO.

They knew way back when and had that all ready
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shockthemonkey posted...

Polycosm posted...

Presumption of innocence applies to a trial but not to the election, nomination or confirmation of a public official. Based on what we know, Ford is more trustworthy than Kavanaugh, who basically perjured himself.

Yeah the fact that hes still being considered after committing perjury is already terrible

Yeah, about that...

https://tinyurl.com/ybcxt6op

green butter posted...

how do you even verify if something like this is true or not?

You can't, but the Democrats don't care. This is their last ditch effort to delay him getting voted in.
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JerseyProudBoy posted...

tfw you realize they don't because it's not actually as easy or reliable as you're stupidly implying it would be

Apparently it is, because this lady has no proof of it ever happening and the only alleged witness says it never happened.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Error1355 posted...

I do think that it is something that should hold off on voting him in until more information is able to be discovered about it though one way or the other.

If you could delay any vote just by finding some stooge who's willing to say that something happened three decades prior, do you have any idea how much dirtier politics will get

It doesn't seem like the woman accusing him of this is just some 'random stooge willing to say anything'.
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This is nothing more than an character assassination attempt, and a very political one. She was previously interviewed by the FBI and never brought it up. They've been interviewing him for months along with over 64 women that vouched for his character.

In the last minute, something like this is thrown at him, an accusation that he and other people denied. These rats are vile, using attempted rape as a political tool where they know an accusation, whether true or not, can cause so much harm. And this looks like it's a lie. He will go through and this is going to damage the Democrats more than anyone else.

You betas need to get your head straight. These false accusations can happen to you and you're supporting it.
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Error1355 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Error1355 posted...

I do think that it is something that should hold off on voting him in until more information is able to be discovered about it though one way or the other.

If you could delay any vote just by finding some stooge who's willing to say that something happened three decades prior, do you have any idea how much dirtier politics will get

It doesn't seem like the woman accusing him of this is just some 'random stooge willing to say anything'.

He already deleted his post using four pairs of quotes around sexual assault victim describing her in another topic, and being cute with stooge like it wasnt obvious what he was doing

Error1355 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Error1355 posted...

I do think that it is something that should hold off on voting him in until more information is able to be discovered about it though one way or the other.

If you could delay any vote just by finding some stooge who's willing to say that something happened three decades prior, do you have any idea how much dirtier politics will get

It doesn't seem like the woman accusing him of this is just some 'random stooge willing to say anything'.

Even if you believe she isn't, there's no way to tell for sure one way or the other because her claims have no evidence.

Imagine a scenario where that low bar is enough to delay any vote. Obviously it would be a primary tactic to delay any vote you wanted, because any man or woman who once lived in the same zip code as the person being voted on could make up a story that the person raped them.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

You betas

Imagine using terms like "beta" unironically lol
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Balrog0 posted...

Polycosm posted...

Presumption of innocence applies to a trial but not to the election, nomination or confirmation of a public official. Based on what we know, Ford is more trustworthy than Kavanaugh, who basically perjured himself.

you talking about his answers with respect to his involvement in the Bush administrations approval of torture?

I was actually thinking about this:
http://time.com/5398191/brett-kavanaugh-supreme-court-senators/

To summarize:
Judd Legum wrote...

1. Whether he knew he received stolen emails
2. When he found out about warrantless wiretapping
3. Whether he was involved in the Pryor nomination

But his answers on Bush admin torture and whether Roe v Wade is "settled law" also demand clarification, imo.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Error1355 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Error1355 posted...

I do think that it is something that should hold off on voting him in until more information is able to be discovered about it though one way or the other.

If you could delay any vote just by finding some stooge who's willing to say that something happened three decades prior, do you have any idea how much dirtier politics will get

It doesn't seem like the woman accusing him of this is just some 'random stooge willing to say anything'.

He already deleted his post using four pairs of quotes around sexual assault victim describing her in another topic, and being cute with stooge like it wasnt obvious what he was doing

I like how you're so obsessed with me that you will zero in on a post I deleted in like 10 seconds.

I deleted it because I realized I didn't want to get responses about this in two different topics. But yeah, """""victim""""".
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Doom_Art posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

You betas

Imagine using terms like "beta" unironically lol

Whaats wrong with it

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Damn there are some really bitter shitposters in here. I don't understand why you'd bother to post if you will simply disagree with Mal out of principle.

They're also the same people that constantly bitch about the state of gamefaqs and how many trolls there are. Yet they can't manage to not shit post in these trolls' threads rather than either ignore the thread, or actually be useful to the discussion, even if the thread started as an attempt to troll.
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Polycosm posted...

Balrog0 posted...

Polycosm posted...

Presumption of innocence applies to a trial but not to the election, nomination or confirmation of a public official. Based on what we know, Ford is more trustworthy than Kavanaugh, who basically perjured himself.

you talking about his answers with respect to his involvement in the Bush administrations approval of torture?

I was actually thinking about this:
http://time.com/5398191/brett-kavanaugh-supreme-court-senators/

To summarize:
Judd Legum wrote...

1. Whether he knew he received stolen emails
2. When he found out about warrantless wiretapping
3. Whether he was involved in the Pryor nomination

But his answers on Bush admin torture and whether Roe v Wade is "settled law" also demand clarification, imo.

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Yeah, about that...

https://tinyurl.com/ybcxt6op

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Sephiroth1288 posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Error1355 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Error1355 posted...

I do think that it is something that should hold off on voting him in until more information is able to be discovered about it though one way or the other.

If you could delay any vote just by finding some stooge who's willing to say that something happened three decades prior, do you have any idea how much dirtier politics will get

It doesn't seem like the woman accusing him of this is just some 'random stooge willing to say anything'.

He already deleted his post using four pairs of quotes around sexual assault victim describing her in another topic, and being cute with stooge like it wasnt obvious what he was doing

I like how you're so obsessed with me that you will zero in on a post I deleted in like 10 seconds.

I deleted it because I realized I didn't want to get responses about this in two different topics. But yeah, """""victim""""".

Seek professional help

CruelBuffalo posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Error1355 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Error1355 posted...

I do think that it is something that should hold off on voting him in until more information is able to be discovered about it though one way or the other.

If you could delay any vote just by finding some stooge who's willing to say that something happened three decades prior, do you have any idea how much dirtier politics will get

It doesn't seem like the woman accusing him of this is just some 'random stooge willing to say anything'.

He already deleted his post using four pairs of quotes around sexual assault victim describing her in another topic, and being cute with stooge like it wasnt obvious what he was doing

I like how you're so obsessed with me that you will zero in on a post I deleted in like 10 seconds.

I deleted it because I realized I didn't want to get responses about this in two different topics. But yeah, """""victim""""".

Seek professional help

Says the guy who brings their baggage about me across topics on a video game message board over something as dumb as me calling a suspicious accuser a """""victim""""".
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Yeah, about that...

https://tinyurl.com/ybcxt6op

There's an incredibly weak defense of memo-gate in there.

-The memos weren't technically stolen because no real 'hacking' took place; they were just "exploiting a glitch."

-Nothing suspicious about receiving internal Dem documents; Kavanaugh had no reason to question where they came from.

-One doc had a confidential marking but "we all know that no one in D.C. overmarks things as confidential," so no biggie.

-One doc was marked "not for distribution" but... "just because something is marked 'not for distribution' doesn't mean it was stolen"

How stupid do you want me to believe Kavanaugh is?
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