Board 8 > Best of the Trope Day 91: Villainous Valour

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Yesterday's Results
Hans Gruber - 11
Gaston - 7
Judge Claude Frollo - 6
The Joker - 3
Clayton - 3
Doc Gerbil - 3
Dick Jones - 2
Allfather D'Aronique - 2
Charles Muntz (Up) - 1
Valerian - 1
Wile E. Coyote - 1
Piggsy - 1
Jafar - 1
carl Bruner - 1
Emperor Palpatine - 1
That guy Arnie promised he would kill last, but he lied - 1
Jet (A:TLA) - 1
Joe - 1
Scar - 1
Syndrome - 1
Mufasa - 1
Trevelyan (GoldenEye) - 1

Nominations
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Supervillain Lair
Obfuscating Stupidity
Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass
Always a Bigger Fish
What Could Have Been
Tall, Dark And Handsome
Flaming Hair
Glass Cannon
Acting In The Dark
Bizarre and improbable ballistics
Double reverse quadruple agent
Upgrade Vs Prototype Fight
Nigh-invulnerability
The Man in Front of the Man
Cain and Abel
Evil Brit
Spotlight-Stealing Squad
Batman in my Basement
No One Could Survive That
All-American face
Defeating the Undefeatable

Vote for UP TO THREE CHARACTERS/ETC. you think best embody the trope of the day (or just for your favorite characters that fit the trope). Feel free to change your vote, but if you do just specify who you're changing from and changing to. Try to include the source the character's from.

Feel free to nominate tropes for future days, preferably ones that have TV Tropes pages to make it easier. Day will end in 24 hours or so.

Full Results
https://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Best_of_the_Trope
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Disco Dan - Disco Stu (The Simpsons)
Eldritch Location - Silent Hill (Silent Hill)
One of Us - David Hayter
Hell of a Time - South Park
Lady of War - O-Ren Ishii (Kill Bill)
The Everyman - John McClane (Die Hard)
Rasputinian Death - Chloe Price (Life is Strange)
Iconic Sequel Character - Ezio Auditore da Firenze (Assassin's Creed) / Yoda (Star Wars)
Badass Driver - Baby (Baby Driver)
Corpsing - The Biggus Dickus Guards (Monty Python's Life of Brian)
Chuunibyou - Gundham Tanaka (Danganronpa 2)
Disney Villain Death - Hans Gruber (Die Hard)

Today's tropes is the Villainous Valour
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainousValour

This is one method for avoiding doldrums from having an Invincible Hero. Scenes of Villainous Valor show the antagonists to be outmatched, forcing them to rely on daring, cunning, skill and determination to hold their own against the heroes, or at least go out with a little dignity. They sometimes even continue a hopeless battle for higher reasons than spite! This often results in a tense back-and-forth as the heroes' raw power is set against whatever the villains brought.

Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose, but the mark of Villainous Valor is that it sees the "bad guys" using tropes that you wouldn't expect from them. In fact, if you were just tuning in, you might even be confused about who you're expected to root for. A fight between the Knight in Shining Armor and The Dragon with his Spikes of Villainy will often leave you cheering for The Hero, but what if The Dragon locks swords with the hero and gets between the hero and his master, to allow him time to escape? The scene changes completely.

This often appears in shows where the villains are sympathetic or the heroes questionable. Nevertheless, this is not a trope about viewer sympathy so much as bravery, ingenuity and skill on the part of a villainous underdog.
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Undyne (Undertale)
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Raul menendez (cod black ops 2)
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Freddy Krueger (Freddy vs. Jason)
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Freddy Krueger
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Jaime Lannister (Game of Thrones)
Chara (Undertale)
Zaheer (Legend of Korra)

HM
Reiner Braun (Attack on Titan)
Tony Montana (Scarface)
Kuvira (Legend of Korra)
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Tony Montana
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Hazama (BlazBlue)

Will do more later maybe. Not sure if I'm misunderstanding the trope because a lot I think of aren't listed

Undyne (Undertale)
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How do you decide the trope? @Johnbobb
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Pirate_Harris posted...

How do you decide the trope? @Johnbobb

https://random.org/lists/
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Macbeth (Macbeth)
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Johnbobb posted...

Pirate_Harris posted...

How do you decide the trope? @Johnbobb

https://random.org/lists/

Huh neat
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oh Trevelyan was a good one for the last trope

so would Darth Vader count for this, when he tossed the Emperor down the chute? or do they still have to be actively fighting the hero?
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Punisher (Daredevil)
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jcgamer107 posted...

oh Trevelyan was a good one for the last trope

so would Darth Vader count for this, when he tossed the Emperor down the chute? or do they still have to be actively fighting the hero?

I think it would count
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up
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Cell (DBZ) (mostly before reaching Perfect, though the tournament itself until the end could arguably qualify)
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Lord Boros (One Punch Man)

His fight against Saitama is the reason I nominated this trope.
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macbeth
vegeta
kuvira (legend of korra)
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Macbeth
Lloyd (Fire Emblem 7)
Jetstream Sam (Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance)

Excellent trope.
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the ending of star wars is most definitely a heel face turn rather than villainous valor
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SeabassDebeste posted...

the ending of star wars is most definitely a heel face turn rather than villainous valor

This, it isn't Villainous Valour if the villain is helping the good guys.
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Kylo Ren in TLJ, on the other hand...
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Replace Freddy with jetstream sam
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Does Team Rocket count

Because Team Rocket
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jcgamer107 posted...

or do they still have to be actively fighting the hero?

The image for the trope page is Doctor Doom resisting when cornered by a horde of literal demons in Hell so who the heck knows.
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That picture is a terrible choice for the page IMO. But I think they need to be actively villainous, not necessarily fighting the hero but not redeeming themselves or being heroic, so Vader doesn't count.

Edit: Also throwing in a vote for Jetstream Sam.
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drop kuvira
add wrath (fma brotherhood)
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drop Jaime

add Lord Boros
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ShatteredElysium posted...

Hazama (BlazBlue)

Will do more later maybe. Not sure if I'm misunderstanding the trope because a lot I think of aren't listed

Just because I'm watching it now and it fits

Killmonger (Black Panther)