Poll of the Day > The Majority of WHITE Americans are AGAINST people who KNEEL at the ANTHEM!!!

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Full Throttle
09/05/18 12:14:30 AM
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Does it surprise you that white people are against these protests? - Results (7 votes)
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After 2 consecutive seasons of falling tv ratings, the NFL is still losing viewers as majority of Americans, particularly WHITE and REPUBLICANS are OBJECTING to players who KNEEL in protest of racism during the national anthem!!

A new NBC/WSJ poll say fewer people are tuning into sports because of fans who disagree with players who demonstrate to raise awareness about social issues, criminal justice reform and police brutality against minorities.

52% said they continue to follow the NFL but is down from 58%.

Men older than 50 continue to follow the game closer than any other demo despite their own negative views while others stopped altogether.

Republicans in HUGE numbers as only 10% of Republicans support it and only 38% of white people support it while the REST are AGAINST it and have stopped watching it because of it and agreed with Trump

But not everyone is opposed as 72% of democrats and 56% of 18-34 support the protests.

Micah Roberts said the poll is reflecting a lower audience base since they measured this back in 2014 and believe the anthem protests are having a big effect on viewership.

The NFL is still working toward a resolution on a national anthem policy who said players can stay in the locker room if they don't want to stand but Trump said that WASN'T enough and said if they don't act patriotic at all then they should be FIRED!!

Conservatives are also clapping back who are having signs that say "Stand for the Flag, Kneel for the Cross" in reference to kneeling for JESUS.

Does it surprise you that White Americans are against the kneeling?

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Andromicus
09/05/18 12:15:11 AM
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I don't give two shits why I just love how much it triggers "good hard working" Americans
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streamofthesky
09/05/18 2:25:39 AM
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I used to criticize BLM for standing in streets, and said they should find a way to protest that doesn't obstruct traffic and potentially put people in danger.
Now I kind of understand them doing it.

Because some dudes paid to play a kid's game kneeling instead of standing during a national anthem that is performed before the actual thing you tuned in to watch commences regardless has to be the most unobtrusive way possible one could publicly protest something, and the conservative white populace STILL flip their shit over it. In fact, it seems to upset them even more than literally blocking highways.
Fucking madness.

So I voted that it does surprise me. Cause....what a stupid fucking thing to be upset about!
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Kyuubi4269
09/05/18 2:29:43 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
Because some dudes paid to play a kid's game kneeling instead of standing during a national anthem that is performed before the actual thing you tuned in to watch commences regardless has to be the most unobtrusive way possible one could publicly protest something, and the conservative white populace STILL flip their shit over it.

It's extremely obtrusive. It doesn't stop the game but it does directly disrespect something these people care about in a place it's guaranteed to be witnessed.
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Zeus
09/05/18 2:30:20 AM
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Full Throttle posted...
After 2 consecutive seasons of falling tv ratings, the NFL is still losing viewers as majority of Americans, particularly WHITE and REPUBLICANS are OBJECTING to players who KNEEL in protest of America during the national anthem!!


FTFY

Full Throttle posted...
The NFL is still working toward a resolution on a national anthem policy who said players can stay in the locker room if they don't want to stand


Well, they used to just let players sit on the bench, but Colin Kaperdick decided that wasn't getting him enough attention so he'd kneel out on the field.

Full Throttle posted...
Does it surprise you that White Americans are against the kneeling?


Don't worry, there are plenty of America-hating white Americans... although most of them are far-lefties who don't watch sports anyway.

streamofthesky posted...
I used to criticize BLM for standing in streets, and said they should find a way to protest that doesn't obstruct traffic and potentially put people in danger.
Now I kind of understand them doing it.


Except you defended them doing that.

streamofthesky posted...
Because some dudes paid to play a kid's game


lolwut? Those are some obfuscating levels of stupidity.

streamofthesky posted...
before the actual thing you tuned in to watch commences regardless has to be the most unobtrusive way possible one could publicly protest something,


Spiting the flag in plain view of everybody is pretty fucking obtrusive, especially when they already could sit on the bench... which is what they were doing before they decided it wasn't getting them enough attention. They're employees and from the moment they step on that field they're on the job.
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zebatov
09/05/18 2:30:38 AM
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Andromicus posted...
I don't give two shits why I just love how much it triggers "good hard working" Americans

Now I'm positive it was you who said "MS-13 are people, too."
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knivesX2004
09/05/18 2:42:51 AM
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Zeus posted...
After 2 consecutive seasons of falling tv ratings, the NFL is still losing viewers as majority of Americans, particularly WHITE and REPUBLICANS are OBJECTING to players who KNEEL in protest of POLICE BRUTALITY TO MINORITIES during the national anthem!!

FTFY

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Yellow
09/05/18 2:44:19 AM
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Imagine being such a Fox News shoveler that someone saying something criticising their country is something you want them fired over. Who even needs fascism?

The fact that this is a huge issue in our country just shows how effective and widespread Republican propaganda is.
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streamofthesky
09/05/18 3:22:43 AM
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Zeus posted...
streamofthesky posted...
I used to criticize BLM for standing in streets, and said they should find a way to protest that doesn't obstruct traffic and potentially put people in danger.
Now I kind of understand them doing it.


Except you defended them doing that.


Except I didn't, and you're completely full of shit for trying to claim otherwise.

Zeus posted...
streamofthesky posted...
Because some dudes paid to play a kid's game


lolwut? Those are some obfuscating levels of stupidity.

Football. It's a game played in schools across the country for entertainment. Do you understand, or do I need to explain what football is in more detail?

Zeus posted...
streamofthesky posted...
before the actual thing you tuned in to watch commences regardless has to be the most unobtrusive way possible one could publicly protest something,


Spiting the flag in plain view of everybody is pretty fucking obtrusive, especially when they already could sit on the bench... which is what they were doing before they decided it wasn't getting them enough attention. They're employees and from the moment they step on that field they're on the job.


They're not "spitting on the flag." Those are some obfuscating levels of stupidity. You know that's a ridiculous hyperbole.
They're kneeling. Which if anything, seems more respectful than just standing.
And "stand for the national anthem" isn't part of their job. If you can pull up a contract explicitly stating otherwise I'll admit you're right, though. Go on....
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ClarkDuke
09/05/18 3:41:11 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
Zeus posted...
streamofthesky posted...
I used to criticize BLM for standing in streets, and said they should find a way to protest that doesn't obstruct traffic and potentially put people in danger.
Now I kind of understand them doing it.


Except you defended them doing that.


Except I didn't, and you're completely full of shit for trying to claim otherwise.

Zeus posted...
streamofthesky posted...
Because some dudes paid to play a kid's game


lolwut? Those are some obfuscating levels of stupidity.

Football. It's a game played in schools across the country for entertainment. Do you understand, or do I need to explain what football is in more detail?

Zeus posted...
streamofthesky posted...
before the actual thing you tuned in to watch commences regardless has to be the most unobtrusive way possible one could publicly protest something,


Spiting the flag in plain view of everybody is pretty fucking obtrusive, especially when they already could sit on the bench... which is what they were doing before they decided it wasn't getting them enough attention. They're employees and from the moment they step on that field they're on the job.


They're not "spitting on the flag." Those are some obfuscating levels of stupidity. You know that's a ridiculous hyperbole.
They're kneeling. Which if anything, seems more respectful than just standing.
And "stand for the national anthem" isn't part of their job. If you can pull up a contract explicitly stating otherwise I'll admit you're right, though. Go on....

@Zeus is a compulsive liar, ok?
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kind9
09/05/18 4:55:28 AM
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Easy fix: replace the national anthem with the pledge of allegiance.
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Bird_Man_Yu
09/05/18 6:28:23 AM
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I'm sure there are some out there Kneeling BECAUSE it gets a rise out of people, maybe if they'd shut up about it, then after a while, it might stop happening as often because no one cares that they're doing it anymore, I dunno, maybe that's just me...
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LinkPizza
09/05/18 8:15:22 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
They're kneeling. Which if anything, seems more respectful than just standing.

I think my job would probably disagree. Haha.

Bird_Man_Yu posted...
I'm sure there are some out there Kneeling BECAUSE it gets a rise out of people, maybe if they'd shut up about it, then after a while, it might stop happening as often because no one cares that they're doing it anymore, I dunno, maybe that's just me...

This is probably true...
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Blighboy
09/05/18 8:24:25 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
streamofthesky posted...
Because some dudes paid to play a kid's game kneeling instead of standing during a national anthem that is performed before the actual thing you tuned in to watch commences regardless has to be the most unobtrusive way possible one could publicly protest something, and the conservative white populace STILL flip their shit over it.

It's extremely obtrusive. It doesn't stop the game but it does directly disrespect something these people care about in a place it's guaranteed to be witnessed.

Lmao what a massive fucking baby of a person you are
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GastroFan
09/05/18 8:50:42 AM
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This has become an issue because Trump's made it an issue out of spite b/c the NFL wouldn't let him buy one of their teams when he was younger. Also most of the NFL players are black, which really irks Trump b/c he despises minorities and women who don't fit his stereotype of lazy good for nothings that depend on him for support (in other words, either leeches or yes people). Trump is one of those rogues and/or scoundrels that hides behind the flag in order to sucker people into following him since he trashes veterans despite his claims to the contrary (note the American Legion having to beg him to say something nice about John McCain's military service after his death).
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TheWorstPoster
09/05/18 8:58:39 AM
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GastroFan posted...
This has become an issue because Trump's made it an issue out of spite b/c the NFL wouldn't let him buy one of their teams when he was younger. Also most of the NFL players are black, which really irks Trump b/c he despises minorities and women who don't fit his stereotype of lazy good for nothings that depend on him for support (in other words, either leeches or yes people). Trump is one of those rogues and/or scoundrels that hides behind the flag in order to sucker people into following him since he trashes veterans despite his claims to the contrary (note the American Legion having to beg him to say something nice about John McCain's military service after his death).


Do you have any proof for any of your claims?
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SunWuKung420
09/05/18 11:31:44 AM
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I'm not surprised. Fox tells white people it's about black people disrespecting the nation on a daily basis.
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adjl
09/05/18 11:35:47 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
So I voted that it does surprise me. Cause....what a stupid f***ing thing to be upset about!


It doesn't surprise me. People are pretty stupid. The complaints about BLM obstructing traffic and the like were never really about the inconvenience. They just wanted the political statement they disagreed with to go away, and saying "they should be less disruptive" was easier to justify than saying "they should do it where I never have to hear anything about it."

Kyuubi4269 posted...
It's extremely obtrusive. It doesn't stop the game


Pick one.
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Metalsonic66
09/05/18 11:40:18 AM
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*popcorn*
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Kyuubi4269
09/05/18 11:40:27 AM
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adjl posted...
Pick one.

obtrusive
btrusv/
adjective
noticeable or prominent in an unwelcome or intrusive way.


No. Did you perhaps mean disruptive?

disruptive
dsrptv/
adjective
causing or tending to cause disruption.

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adjl
09/05/18 11:44:18 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
adjl posted...
Pick one.

obtrusive
btrusv/
adjective
noticeable or prominent in an unwelcome or intrusive way.


No. Did you perhaps mean disruptive?

disruptive
dsrptv/
adjective
causing or tending to cause disruption.


If a minute of one guy doing something that only immediately affects himself noticeably intrudes on the entire 3-hour game (of which one minute is approximately 0.56%), let alone to such an extent as to be described as "extreme" (your exact word choice), that's entirely your own fault. Learn some compartmentalization.
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Kyuubi4269
09/05/18 11:48:29 AM
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adjl posted...
If a minute of one guy doing something that only immediately affects himself noticeably intrudes on the entire 3-hour game (of which one minute is approximately 0.56%), let alone to such an extent as to be described as "extreme" (your exact word choice), that's entirely your own fault. Learn some compartmentalization.

You must be a master of compartmentalisation to argue the way you do.

His act was extremely unwelcome, as demonstrated by the OP.
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Blorfenburger
09/05/18 11:50:16 AM
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Why don't the football man STAND UP
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adjl
09/05/18 11:50:29 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
His act was extremely unwelcome, as demonstrated by the OP.

adjl posted...
that's entirely your own fault. Learn some compartmentalization.


It's not exactly news that people suck at keeping emotions from unnecessarily interfering with stuff. It's a skill a lot of people could stand to work on.
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Kyuubi4269
09/05/18 11:52:50 AM
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adjl posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
His act was extremely unwelcome, as demonstrated by the OP.

adjl posted...
that's entirely your own fault. Learn some compartmentalization.


It's not exactly news that people suck at keeping emotions from unnecessarily interfering with stuff. It's a skill a lot of people could stand to work on.

You compartmentalised the fact that the offending player failed to keep his emotions fom unnecessarily interfering with the flow of the game. Fucking doublethink, man!
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adjl
09/05/18 11:59:37 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
interfering with the flow of the game.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
It doesn't stop the game


You may also want to reevaluate your understanding of what compartmentalization is, since that comment leads me to believe it could use some work.
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Kyuubi4269
09/05/18 12:32:39 PM
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adjl posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
interfering with the flow of the game.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
It doesn't stop the game


You may also want to reevaluate your understanding of what compartmentalization is, since that comment leads me to believe it could use some work.

Interference =/= stop
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Blighboy
09/05/18 9:02:09 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Interference =/= stop

It literally does jack shit my man
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Andromicus
09/06/18 1:17:33 AM
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Why man not stand flag?
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Kyuubi4269
09/06/18 1:44:32 AM
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Blighboy posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Interference =/= stop

It literally does jack shit my man

It's like flipping off all of America. You can ignore it, but he's a prick for doing it.
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Syntheticon
09/06/18 2:21:52 AM
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The Majority of WHITE Americans DO NOT PROPERLY UNDERSTAND the reason people KNEEL at the ANTHEM

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Nichtcrawler X
09/06/18 5:48:58 AM
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kind9 posted...
Easy fix: replace the national anthem with the pledge of allegiance.


If you go that patriotic, might as well add the Bellamy Salute back in.
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_AdjI_
09/06/18 9:28:52 AM
#33:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
adjl posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
interfering with the flow of the game.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
It doesn't stop the game


You may also want to reevaluate your understanding of what compartmentalization is, since that comment leads me to believe it could use some work.

Interference =/= stop


It kinda does, at least temporarily. Interfering with the flow of the game means preventing the game from proceeding normally (which, incidentally, means anyone committing a foul is interfering with the flow of the game. Are you upset about them as well?). If it doesn't stop other otherwise disrupt the game, it doesn't interfere with it. This does not interfere with the flow of the game.

You could maybe make a case for interfering with a viewer's enjoyment of the game, but that goes back to my point about compartmentalization. If being reminded of the existence of political views you disagree with appreciably interferes with your ability yo enjoy a game, you need to work on your emotional self-regulation. It's also worth noting that there are many, many things which can interfere with somebody's enjoyment of a football game, which means this travesty would be on roughly the same level as the wrong guy catching the ball. Wouldn't it be silly to be getting so uppity over something so trivial?
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BUMPED2002
09/06/18 9:37:59 AM
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Lets be brutally honest! Whites in America have always railed against African-Americans who speak out about injustice. When BLM came into being, Whites were quick to call them a "terrorist group" without any facts or proof they were. The odd thing about that is, Whites also called the Black Panther Party a terrorist group as well but somehow we ignore the fact that the KKK was indeed a terrorist group created and started during Reconstruction to terrorize Free Blacks.
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BUMPED2002
09/06/18 9:38:32 AM
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Lets be brutally honest! Whites in America have always railed against African-Americans who speak out about injustice. When BLM came into being, Whites were quick to call them a "terrorist group" without any facts or proof they were. The odd thing about that is, Whites also called the Black Panther Party a terrorist group as well but somehow we ignore the fact that the KKK was indeed a terrorist group created and started during Reconstruction to terrorize Free Blacks.
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BUMPED2002
09/06/18 9:39:55 AM
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Lets be brutally honest! Whites in America have always railed against African-Americans who speak out about injustice. When BLM came into being, Whites were quick to call them a "terrorist group" without any facts or proof they were. The odd thing about that is, Whites also called the Black Panther Party a terrorist group as well but somehow we ignore the fact that the KKK was indeed a terrorist group created and started during Reconstruction to terrorize Free Blacks.
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Kyuubi4269
09/06/18 10:08:41 AM
#37:


_AdjI_ posted...
It kinda does, at least temporarily.

When your TV gets interference, you can still see the picture, just not as clearly.

_AdjI_ posted...
Interfering with the flow of the game means preventing the game from proceeding normally

It killed the mood, flow interfered.

_AdjI_ posted...
which, incidentally, means anyone committing a foul is interfering with the flow of the game. Are you upset about them as well?

Fouls are part of anticipated play, offending the crowd is not. They still interfere with clean play though, so they can fuck off too.

_AdjI_ posted...
You could maybe make a case for interfering with a viewer's enjoyment of the game

It's entertainment, enjoyment is the fucking point.

_AdjI_ posted...
If being reminded of the existence of political views you disagree with appreciably interferes with your ability yo enjoy a game, you need to work on your emotional self-regulation.

Being reminded you didn't vote for your president interferes with your enjoyment of life, you need emotional regulation.

_AdjI_ posted...
It's also worth noting that there are many, many things which can interfere with somebody's enjoyment of a football game, which means this travesty would be on roughly the same level as the wrong guy catching the ball.

It's on the same level as a player refusing to play.

_AdjI_ posted...
Wouldn't it be silly to be getting so uppity over something so trivial?

We work to live, there's nothing more important than shit that harms our enjoyment in life.
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_AdjI_
09/06/18 11:07:11 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
When your TV gets interference, you can still see the picture, just not as clearly.


Thus, you are prevented from seeing the picture as intended. The intended picture stopped being delivered to you.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
It killed the mood, flow interfered.


Mood is not the flow of the game. Don't be silly. That's also hilariously melodramatic.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
They still interfere with clean play though, so they can f*** off too.


And yet you never seem to chime in to express similar sentiments whenever a football player fouls. I wonder why that is...

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Being reminded you didn't vote for your president interferes with your enjoyment of life, you need emotional regulation.


I'm not even sure that's a cohesive enough argument to qualify as a strawman. More like a pile of leaves that you're trying to insist is actually made of straw and is man-shaped. Surely you don't think such a flagrant non-sequitur actually comprises an intelligent rebuttal?

Kyuubi4269 posted...
It's on the same level as a player refusing to play.


It really isn't. A player refusing to play actually affects the game. The only reason kneeling during the anthem has any impact beyond that is because people choose to be butthurt beyond the end of that minute.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
We work to live, there's nothing more important than s*** that harms our enjoyment in life.


Which is why it's important to learn compartmentalization skills to be able to consider serious issues without having them prevent you from having fun. Also, you're being melodramatic again and I literally laughed at you when I read that line. Good job.
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Kyuubi4269
09/06/18 11:20:21 AM
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_AdjI_ posted...
Thus, you are prevented from seeing the picture as intended. The intended picture stopped being delivered to you.

Kneeling isn't the intended picture of football.

_AdjI_ posted...
Mood is not the flow of the game. Don't be silly. That's also hilariously melodramatic.

Kneeling isn't melodramatic?

_AdjI_ posted...
And yet you never seem to chime in to express similar sentiments whenever a football player fouls. I wonder why that is...

Because I don't follow armoured rugby lol sportsmanship is something I complain about though.

_AdjI_ posted...
I'm not even sure that's a cohesive enough argument to qualify as a strawman. More like a pile of leaves that you're trying to insist is actually made of straw and is man-shaped. Surely you don't think such a flagrant non-sequitur actually comprises an intelligent rebuttal?

Being upset is entirely valid, the presidency is an example of you being upset.

_AdjI_ posted...
It really isn't. A player refusing to play actually affects the game. The only reason kneeling during the anthem has any impact beyond that is because people choose to be butthurt beyond the end of that minute.

It pisses off the supporters, it's just as important. The game is worthless if the viewers don't enjoy that shit.

_AdjI_ posted...
Which is why it's important to learn compartmentalization skills to be able to consider serious issues without having them prevent you from having fun.

So your argument is people should ignore things they don't like? So why are you here undermining your argument?

Just admit it, you're upset that people don't tolerate your beliefs being forced on them.

_AdjI_ posted...
Also, you're being melodramatic again and I literally laughed at you when I read that line. Good job.

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Andromicus
09/06/18 11:20:39 AM
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_AdjI_
09/06/18 5:28:09 PM
#41:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Kneeling isn't the intended picture of football.


Nor is standing. The intended picture of playing football is people playing football. People standing around while some song plays is not playing football.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Kneeling isn't melodramatic?


Not really. It's a reasonably subtle gesture, with a clear cause behind it. It's nowhere close to the "the mood is ruined! RUINED I say!" you're prattling on with here.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Being upset is entirely valid, the presidency is an example of you being upset.


For one thing, I don't vote for presidents. For another, having a president (or other political figure) in power that I disagree with doesn't prevent me from enjoying life. It creates a need to speak out against them doing stupid and/or evil stuff, at which point displeased sentiments become relevant and active, but effective compartmentalization means not carrying that displeasure into other aspects of my life.

You disagree with Kaepernick's statement? Cool. If it comes up in discussion, you can express your dissenting position, or you can participate in opposing campaigns when the opportunity arises. Fixating on it to such an extent that you can't enjoy the football game that follows the statement, though, accomplishes nothing, and is letting your emotions interfere with your ability to enjoy life. That's not healthy, in which case learning some compartmentalization skills is highly recommended.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
It pisses off the supporters


That's their choice.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
The game is worthless if the viewers don't enjoy that s***.


The game is identical regardless of how the viewers feel. The league as a whole can be impacted by changes in viewership, but having one player kneel during the anthem does not affect the game itself. Having a player refuse to play, on the other hand, can completely change the course of a game.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
So your argument is people should ignore things they don't like?


Until such a time as they can do something about them, yes. Kaepernick kneeling isn't hurting anyone. He's drawing attention to a cause which nobody's going to be able to do anything about until after the game (unless they choose to skip the rest of the game in favour of doing something about it, but that's entirely their choice). Ergo, obsessing about it during the game to such an extent as to make the game unenjoyable is pointless and stupid.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Just admit it, you're upset that people don't tolerate your beliefs being forced on them.


What, beliefs like "people shouldn't be murdered by police?" I'm more upset by the mere existence of people that don't believe that than by their refusal to let people express said belief; I figure they're already awful enough people that I'm not going to be surprised by them not jumping at the chance to be less awful.

As for "forcing beliefs," though, that's hardly what's happening here. Nobody's being forced to believe anything. Being made to hear something is not being made to believe it.
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09/06/18 5:39:52 PM
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white americans respect their country, more at 11
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