Current Events > Man Star Trek the next generation drops so many profound statements

(+) Yeah! (+)

Life lessons and on the nose social commentaries.

What a wonderful show. With some wonderful acting from the core actors particularly Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner.

It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.

One of my favorite quotes ever.
---

Temba, his arms open
---

Can you post some other ones? That's literally the one I was thinking of when I came into the topic being as everyone uses it

You cannot explain away a wantonly immoral act because you think it is connected to some higher purpose."

There can be no justice so long as laws are absolute."

The road from legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia is very much shorter than we think."
---

Can't wait to have Picard back. Man, I hope it's good.
---

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE4NyXL5JAQ" data-time="
---

Worf: I am NOT a merry man!
---

The episode Chain of Command: Part 2 was fucking bold. It's essentially anti-torture, which was (and still is) highly unusual for fiction.

There's also Measure of a Man, where they have a trial over Data's status as a machine to be scrapped, or a crewman who should continue to live.
---

Hayame Zero posted...

The episode Chain of Command: Part 2 was fucking bold. It's essentially anti-torture, which was (and still is) highly unusual for fiction.

There's also Measure of a Man, where they have a trial over Data's status as a machine to be scrapped, or a crewman who should continue to live.

Yeah I was thinking of those two with this topic.

Some astoundingly intelligent, relevant drama and social commentary in there.
---

SJWs would do well to watch it. They'd get a better learnin with that than their gender studies classes
---

It's great and I will jump on any opportunity to talk Pre-Kelvin Trek.

TNG is phenomenal, but people tend to gloss over the bad episodes a little too much. Voyager has the exact opposite problem, where it had some great moments that people want to forget about it (mostly because it's biggest sin was actually just that it played it safe and refused to use its potential). Deep Space Nine is still my favorite Trek, though. Best characters, best drama, best action, best story archs, best villains, just all around greatness with only really the Ferengi episodes to hold against it (and even some of those were still pretty good).

The is the iconic quote of the series, in one of the best scenes and best episodes Trek has ever done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1L3URogjWI" data-time="
---

Kiras Moms legs wide open
---

16-BITTER posted...

RIP Man Star boldly gone up to 97 frontiers

God fucking damn it
---

Dash_Harber posted...

It's great and I will jump on any opportunity to talk Pre-Kelvin Trek.

TNG is phenomenal, but people tend to gloss over the bad episodes a little too much. Voyager has the exact opposite problem, where it had some great moments that people want to forget about it (mostly because it's biggest sin was actually just that it played it safe and refused to use its potential). Deep Space Nine is still my favorite Trek, though. Best characters, best drama, best action, best story archs, best villains, just all around greatness with only really the Ferengi episodes to hold against it (and even some of those were still pretty good).

I feel almost exactly the same way.
---

There was that holo deck episode where that virtual detective wanted to be real. Great show.

Gene Roddenberry seemed like a very enlightened fellow.
---

CountDog posted...

There was that holo deck episode where that virtual detective wanted to be real. Great show.

It was actually Moriarty, IIRC, who is Sherlock Holme's nemesis.

CountDog posted...

Gene Roddenberry seemed like a very enlightened fellow.

His background is actually not what you'd expect, either. Dude was not only a military vet, but also worked with the LAPD. Plus he was raised a southern Baptist.

Not exactly what you'd expect from the man that created an incredibly left leaning, socially liberal, atheist future utopia.

One of the more subtle "moral lessons" comes in "The Most Toys" where Data is being held prisoner by this collector of unique items who wants him for his gallery. By the end of the episode, Data has tried every method to escape: pleading, passive resistance, implied threats, etc. All failed. He concludes, after the collector murders his assistant in an effort to manipulate Data, that the only logical thing he can do is to kill the collector. He attempts to do this without any emotion at all, saying simply "I cannot permit this to continue." Homicide was the final resort, but it was the most logical (and only) course of action in that situation.

The show kind of cops out by beaming him away right before the phaser discharges and having Data lie to Riker when asked about it (much to the off camera disapproval of Spiner). But that was one of the most memorable scenes from a usually unmentioned Trek episode.
---

The Admiral posted...

and having Data lie to Riker when asked about it (much to the off camera disapproval of Spiner).

That was always baffling to me. Such a weirdly out of character moment. The laws of his character even specifically point out that it shouldn't have happened.

For anyone who really likes TNG/Trek, the best site for episode reviews online is SF Debris:

http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek.php

This is old news to everyone from the ST board, but some people here might not have heard it before. It's a great library, and each review is about 10-15 minutes, making them perfect to watch when you need to waste a little bit of time.

To be honest, I prefer watching the ST Voyager reviews on that site more than I do the actual episodes of the show.
---

Shut up, Wesley!

The Admiral posted...

For anyone who really likes TNG/Trek, the best site for episode reviews online is SF Debris:

http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek.php

This is old news to everyone from the ST board, but some people here might not have heard it before. It's a great library, and each review is about 10-15 minutes, making them perfect to watch when you need to waste a little bit of time.

To be honest, I prefer watching the ST Voyager reviews on that site more than I do the actual episodes of the show.

Is that the one that just constantly rags on Voyager? I've never watched them because I think the Voyager hate is just sort of overblown at this point. They'll take a morally complex issue and just outright lie about the plot in order to make it look like Janeway is evil or the crew are all dumb or something.

Except Neelix. All complaints about Neelix are legitimate and correct.

Dash_Harber posted...

It's great and I will jump on any opportunity to talk Pre-Kelvin Trek.

TNG is phenomenal, but people tend to gloss over the bad episodes a little too much. Voyager has the exact opposite problem, where it had some great moments that people want to forget about it (mostly because it's biggest sin was actually just that it played it safe and refused to use its potential). Deep Space Nine is still my favorite Trek, though. Best characters, best drama, best action, best story archs, best villains, just all around greatness with only really the Ferengi episodes to hold against it (and even some of those were still pretty good).

Oh yeah TNG had plenty of rough patches(Night terrors...ugh.) But its good episodes are so powerful and well acted that it is breath taking.

I really should marathon the series. Its been too long.
---

Final addition from me, but the ultimate in high concept/profound moral lesson in Stat Trek TNG is the episode "Tapestry." It explores that question/fantasy we've all had about going back to a particular moment in time and doing something differently.

In this episode, Q grants Picard his wish. By the end, after seeing how his life would have played out, Picard has one of the most memorable lines of the series:

"I would rather die the man I was, than live the life I just saw."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGvUDvZ7KyU" data-time="
---

pikachupwnage posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

It's great and I will jump on any opportunity to talk Pre-Kelvin Trek.

TNG is phenomenal, but people tend to gloss over the bad episodes a little too much. Voyager has the exact opposite problem, where it had some great moments that people want to forget about it (mostly because it's biggest sin was actually just that it played it safe and refused to use its potential). Deep Space Nine is still my favorite Trek, though. Best characters, best drama, best action, best story archs, best villains, just all around greatness with only really the Ferengi episodes to hold against it (and even some of those were still pretty good).

Oh yeah TNG had plenty of rough patches(Night terrors...ugh.) But its good episodes are so powerful and well acted that it is breath taking.

I really should marathon the series. Its been too long.

I agree. Please don't think I'm saying it's bad, I'm just saying that people should have a sense of humor about some of the dumber Trek stuff, as well. Plus, DS9 had some equally profound moments as well.

"In the Pale Moonlight" is probably one of the darkest episodes of Trek and it actually presents an incredibly complex and two sided view of the issue.

I will follow this topic to 500 if you keep dropping wisdom like that.

The Admiral posted...

The is the iconic quote of the series, in one of the best scenes and best episodes Trek has ever done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1L3URogjWI" data-time="

Clips that end too soon
---

I always liked this scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNbQZ_jMR2E" data-time="

I love Picard's line about not being qualified to judge this being who wiped out a race of 50 billion people.
---

pikachupwnage posted...

Oh yeah TNG had plenty of rough patches(Night terrors...ugh.) But its good episodes are so powerful and well acted that it is breath taking.

I really should marathon the series. Its been too long.

Night Terrors gave me nightmares when I was kid. I can't say how good or bad that was since every time I think of it.. I think of the nightmares.
---

jpenny2 posted...

I always liked this scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNbQZ_jMR2E" data-time="

I love Picard's line about not being qualified to judge this being who wiped out a race of 50 billion people.

I thought this was weird too. If I was the nigh-omnipotent being, I would have just made every combatant suffer from the memories and feelings I experienced. Hell, put it into their DNA so they passed down the hellish feelings forever.

cjsdowg posted...

Night Terrors gave me nightmares when I was kid. I can't say how good or bad that was since every time I think of it.. I think of the nightmares.

I think the only one I found legitimately creepy, even today, is Conspiracy. The practical effects in that one just look ... creepy.

Another nomination for worst episode was Genesis. Caveman Riker should be his own meme.

Dash_Harber posted...

I think the only one I found legitimately creepy, even today, is Conspiracy. The practical effects in that one just look ... creepy.

That mill worm thing let out a beacon and nothing ever came of it.
---

cjsdowg posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

I think the only one I found legitimately creepy, even today, is Conspiracy. The practical effects in that one just look ... creepy.

That mill worm thing let out a beacon and nothing ever came of it.

Doesn't make it less creepy.

There are also a ton of plot threads hanging from all the series that never went anywhere.

Remember how Voyager had that one episode where a bunch of former drones reconnected into a new pacifistic collective in the Delta quadrant?

cjsdowg posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

I think the only one I found legitimately creepy, even today, is Conspiracy. The practical effects in that one just look ... creepy.

That mill worm thing let out a beacon and nothing ever came of it.

They ended up changing them (and the storyline) to the Borg for budget reasons.
---

Dash_Harber posted...

Remember how Voyager had that one episode where a bunch of former drones reconnected into a new pacifistic collective in the Delta quadrant?

I was never high on the Voyager. I remember the first one I watched was with Tuvix. What Janeway did in that one really soured me on the whole thing.

The Admiral posted...

They ended up changing them (and the storyline) to the Borg for budget reasons.

That just brings up more questions. (lol)
---

cjsdowg posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Remember how Voyager had that one episode where a bunch of former drones reconnected into a new pacifistic collective in the Delta quadrant?

I was never high on the Voyager. I remember the first one I watched was with Tuvix. What Janeway did in that one really soured me on the whole thing.

People always complain about that, but it's actually a pretty complex issue and I think both sides have valid arguments.

Not only that, but Kirk did the exact same thing in TOS when he forced his cowardly side to be recombined with him even though it was begging him not to.

For some reason I remember finding Identity Crisis--the one where Geordi starts turning into an alien--creepy when I first saw it as a kid. I think maybe part of it was the holodeck recreation where they find that shadow coming from an unknown source. Just had kind of an eerie vibe to it.
---

Shotgunnova posted...

Temba, his arms open

that was such a fantastic episode
---

E32005 posted...

Shotgunnova posted...

Temba, his arms open

that was such a fantastic episode

It's basically become my nerd detector. If you drop one of the lines and people don't look at you quizzically, you know they have nerd cred.

Wow this got me really thinking about how great Star Trek was. Have anyone seen the Orville? It feels more like the TNG era Star Trek than Discovery.
---

Dash_Harber posted...

jpenny2 posted...

I always liked this scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNbQZ_jMR2E" data-time="

I love Picard's line about not being qualified to judge this being who wiped out a race of 50 billion people.

I thought this was weird too. If I was the nigh-omnipotent being, I would have just made every combatant suffer from the memories and feelings I experienced. Hell, put it into their DNA so they passed down the hellish feelings forever.

I always enjoyed that episode too, especially the tease about this war-like alien race that was likely stronger than the Federation.

There was actually a novel released last year that followed up on this, where the Titan finds the remains of the Husneck homeworld long after Kevin had wiped out the entire species:
http://www.simonandschuster.co.uk/books/Titan-Fortune-of-War/David-Mack/Star-Trek/9781501152009
---

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0RuRJOQa8M" data-time="

There are [how many?] lights!

(Was this the episode mentioned earlier in this thread? I dont know titles.)
---

The Admiral posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

jpenny2 posted...

I always liked this scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNbQZ_jMR2E" data-time="

I love Picard's line about not being qualified to judge this being who wiped out a race of 50 billion people.

I thought this was weird too. If I was the nigh-omnipotent being, I would have just made every combatant suffer from the memories and feelings I experienced. Hell, put it into their DNA so they passed down the hellish feelings forever.

I always enjoyed that episode too, especially the tease about this war-like alien race that was likely stronger than the Federation.

There was actually a novel released last year that followed up on this, where the Titan finds the remains of the Husneck homeworld long after Kevin had wiped out the entire species:
http://www.simonandschuster.co.uk/books/Titan-Fortune-of-War/David-Mack/Star-Trek/9781501152009

I used to be big into the novels, but I kind of lost interest a few years back when they had that big event where the Borg invaded. It wasn't terrible, but I didn't like they way they ended it, and the whole thing seemed like they were trying to copy the Yuuzhan Vong invasion from the Star Wars EU.
---

I always liked this speech from All Good Things, too bad the only version I can find ruins it by putting Interstellar's music on top of the scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qp87ZW6rk" data-time="&start=321
---

I always liked this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNKqJiMfkUs" data-time="
---

Sariana21 posted...

There are [how many?] lights!

(Was this the episode mentioned earlier in this thread? I dont know titles.)

4. It's from Chains of Command Part 2.

andromedadude3 posted...

I always liked this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNKqJiMfkUs" data-time="

Honestly, Wesley became a decent character after he left the ship. The First Duty and The Final Mission are decent episodes.

I heard that Wesley's going to be a Captain in the new series.
---

Funbazooka posted...

I heard that Wesley's going to be a Captain in the new series.

Even though he was the worst part of TNG, it'd probably be okay given that; A) the later seasons actually had him get some decent development (mostly when Picard pointed out what he was doing wrong), and B) Will Wheaton has been really cool about the character and is very self aware, so he'd probably play him as an adult ashamed of his past childishness.

Funbazooka posted...

I heard that Wesley's going to be a Captain in the new series.

Wesley is too busy getting his butt fondled by The Traveler
---