Current Events > Immigrant charged with murder in Molly Tibbetts case

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/officials-believe-body-iowa-student-mollie-tibbetts-found-132827935.html

MONTEZUMA, Iowa (AP) Authorities said on Tuesday that they have charged a man living in the U.S. illegally with murder in the death of an Iowa college student who disappeared a month ago while jogging in a rural area.

Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation Special Agent Rick Rahn said that Cristhian Bahena Rivera, 24, was charged with murder in the death of Mollie Tibbetts.

Investigators say they used surveillance video in tracking down Rivera. The video showed Tibbetts, 20, jogging in a rural area near her hometown of Brooklyn as well as Rivera's car.

Police announced the charge at a press conference just hours after they found what they believe to be the body of Tibbetts in a field covered with corn stalks.

Tibbetts was last seen July 18 in Brooklyn, a rural town of about 1,400 people, as she took a routine evening jog. It's unclear whether she returned to the home where she was dog-sitting for her boyfriend and her boyfriend's brother, who have said they were both out of town . She was reported missing by her family the next day, after she didn't show up for work at a day camp for children.

Tibbetts' disappearance set off a massive search involving dozens of officers from the FBI, as well as state and local agencies. They focused much of their efforts in and around Brooklyn, searching farm fields, ponds and homes. Investigators asked anyone who was around five locations , including a car wash, a truck stop and a farm south of town, to report if they saw anything suspicious on July 18.

Last week, Vice President Mike Pence met privately with the Tibbetts family during a visit to Iowa and told them that "you're on the hearts of every American."

At Brooklyn City Hall, city clerk Sheri Sharer said Tuesday was a sad day for the town.

"It never crossed our mind that she wouldn't come home safe," she said.

Willey's group has been publicizing a reward fund that raised around $400,000 for any tip that led to Tibbetts' safe return. He said the fund, which included more than 220 donations from individuals, will now likely be used for any information that helps police catch anyone responsible for her death.

"Once they catch their breath, this will turn into a weapon going the other direction, to catch the person who did it," he said.

Tibbetts, a psychology major, would have started her junior year this week in Iowa City, about 50 miles (80 kilometers) east of Brooklyn. She was staying with her longtime boyfriend and working while home from school over the summer.

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Nothing?
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Death penalty
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Nufinzorz posted...

Nothing?

lol

liberalfaqs showing it's bias.

Liberals just don't want to admit that this is the kind of shit that happens when you have open borders and uncontrolled immigration from the third world into a first world country because that would be *racist*.

Fact is, if we have a strong border, controlled and vetted who came in here, Molly, like Katie from CA, would both still be alive today. But stating that makes me the racist.

kayoticdreamz posted...

Nufinzorz posted...

Nothing?

lol

liberalfaqs showing it's bias.

Liberals just don't want to admit that this is the kind of shit that happens when you have open borders and uncontrolled immigration from the third world into a first world country because that would be *racist*.

Fact is, if we have a strong border, controlled and vetted who came in here, Molly, like Katie from CA, would both still be alive today. But stating that makes me the racist.

I mean, you're not wrong that technically, yes, if he wasn't able to enter the US illegally, she'd still be alive.

But you are wrong in practice, in the sense of that illegal immigrants from Mexico don't have particularly high crime rates outside of the illegal immigration itself. "Refugees" are another matter...
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Why do immigrants/refugees have to behave like this
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DarthAragorn posted...

Death penalty

No death penalty in Iowa. Fucking wonderful huh? Now one can only hope an inmate can bring this guy to justice since the state won't.
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DarkTransient posted...

But you are wrong in practice, in the sense of that illegal immigrants from Mexico don't have particularly high crime rates outside of the illegal immigration itself. "Refugees" are another matter...

even if you are 1000000% current, that is completely irrelevant. They are illegal and thus by definition should not be here.

But I mean if we want to move goal posts, we can always talk about the insane drain that illegals are for our system. Either way, they shouldn't be here, and if we had a border Molly and Katie and countless others would still be alive.

Rika_Furude posted...

Why do immigrants/refugees have to behave like this

because they come from a third world country. Contrary to popular opinion, you cannot just put a person from the third world into the first world and magically expect them to integrate because you get shit like this:

https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/3k45py/san-fransiscos-homeless-crisis-is-now-a-poop-crisis

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/22/homeless-people-defecating-on-la-streets-fuels-horror-hepatitis-outbreak-as-city-faulted.html

Calling them illegal immigrants is very offense. The correct terminology is "unregistered sightseer"
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kayoticdreamz posted...

Nufinzorz posted...

Nothing?

lol

liberalfaqs showing it's bias.

Liberals just don't want to admit that this is the kind of shit that happens when you have open borders and uncontrolled immigration from the third world into a first world country because that would be *racist*.

Fact is, if we have a strong border, controlled and vetted who came in here, Molly, like Katie from CA, would both still be alive today. But stating that makes me the racist.

I think it's insanely stupid to talk about federal law change over any single incident. It would be equally stupid to pull a saintlike immigrant who volunteers down at the local shelter out of the hat for this conversation. If you want to have that conversation then talk about immigrant behaviour as a whole.

Or do you extend that way of thinking for say, mass shooting perpetrated by socially awkward white teenagers? See what I mean, the argument is very stupid.
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Funbazooka posted...

Calling them illegal immigrants is very offense. The correct terminology is "unregistered sightseer"

lol
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There's a place in Iowa called Montezuma?

Wat
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kayoticdreamz posted...

Nufinzorz posted...

Nothing?

lol

liberalfaqs showing it's bias.

Liberals just don't want to admit that this is the kind of shit that happens when you have open borders and uncontrolled immigration from the third world into a first world country because that would be *racist*.

Fact is, if we have a strong border, controlled and vetted who came in here, Molly, like Katie from CA, would both still be alive today. But stating that makes me the racist.

Conservatives have the sense to stop shouting at a wall, and just go build one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OtzJtp-EM" data-time="
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It's sad, but nothing will be done about it. You would need an entire counties of people to get slaughtered before anyone tried to fix anything. You have people going on national tv and defending people like MS-13 as "good", and telling everyone to leave them alone. So I don't expect anything to change.
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pinky0926 posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

Nufinzorz posted...

Nothing?

lol

liberalfaqs showing it's bias.

Liberals just don't want to admit that this is the kind of shit that happens when you have open borders and uncontrolled immigration from the third world into a first world country because that would be *racist*.

Fact is, if we have a strong border, controlled and vetted who came in here, Molly, like Katie from CA, would both still be alive today. But stating that makes me the racist.

I think it's insanely stupid to talk about federal law change over any single incident. It would be equally stupid to pull a saintlike immigrant who volunteers down at the local shelter out of the hat for this conversation. If you want to have that conversation then talk about immigrant behaviour as a whole.

Or do you extend that way of thinking for say, mass shooting perpetrated by socially awkward white teenagers? See what I mean, the argument is very stupid.

lol....comparing a border to the bill of rights. get out of here with that nonsense

ThexFury posted...

It's sad, but nothing will be done about it. You would need an entire counties of people to get slaughtered before anyone tried to fix anything. You have people going on national tv and defending people like MS-13 as "good", and telling everyone to leave them alone. So I don't expect anything to change.

even then, I'm not entirely convinced politicians would do anything. People are so enamored with "OMG THINK OF THE POOR CHILDREN" that open borders and waves of the third world seem to be what they want, and to hell with our current children living here who are about to get screwed by all this nonsense.

kayoticdreamz posted...

lol....comparing a border to the bill of rights. get out of here with that nonsense

The nonsense here is making your mind up about an international scale issue because of an incident like this.

If I found you say, 10 stories about immigrants doing wonderful things for America, would your stance change to "let's open the borders laissez-faire", or in that case would you say it's ridiculous to use anecdotes like this?
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SFs homeless crisis is not a result of illegal immigration lmao
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/08/22/mollie-tibbetts-undocumented-immigrant-suspect/1060204002/

Man charged in Tibbetts' death worked at Iowa farm linked to prominent Republican

Read the full statement from Yarrabee Farms below:

First and foremost, our thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of Mollie Tibbetts. This is a profoundly sad day for our community. All of us at Yarrabee Farms are shocked to hear that one of our employees was involved and is charged in this case.

This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government's E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing. On Monday, the authorities visited our farm and talked to our employees. We have cooperated fully with their investigation.

Yarrabee Farms follows all laws related to verifying employees are legal to work in the United States, and we regularly seek outside counsel to ensure we stay up-to-date on employment law matters. We keep records on all employees and have shared that information with authorities.

We appreciate the hard work of law enforcement officials. We will continue to cooperate with authorities as the investigation moves forward.
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Death penalty immediately.

People are too extreme both ways when it comes to immigrants. This one who killed deserves death. I hope we can all agree on that
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Then need to change the law in Iowa to allow the death penalty in cases where an attractive white girl gets murdered.
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This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government's E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing. On Monday, the authorities visited our farm and talked to our employees. We have cooperated fully with their investigation.

So, either the guy was legal, or someone screwed up.

Screaming "immigrant! HURR DURR!" is either disingenuous or ignorant, probably willfully so.

Abyssea posted...

Then need to change the law in Iowa to allow the death penalty in cases where an attractive white girl gets murdered.

Death Penalty should be legal within ALL US States / Territories / Soil, States Rights shouldn't even be a thing on this subject since it's legal Federally.

And Since Federal Law over-rides State Laws, it should be legal everywhere.

Your status as a: Citizen, Legal Permanent Resident Status, Illegal Alien, Guest, whatever shouldn't matter.

You get convicted of Murder, you get the Death Penalty, period.

No Deportation for this guy, straight to the firing Squad, Neck Snapping Machine, &/or Hangmans Noose.

None of this expensive "So-Called Humanitarian but over-priced" way of putting a convicted criminal down.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

And Since Federal Law over-rides State Laws, it should be legal everywhere.

Federal death penalty only applies to federal crimes.

It is legal nationwide, anyway. There's just no law compelling states to execute, nor should there be.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Federal death penalty only applies to federal crimes.

Why do you think I put "should be legal" in there?

We need to modify the laws so that it over-rides all state laws.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

We need to modify the laws so that it over-rides all state laws.

Any state can execute for capital crimes. Several just choose not to.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Any state can execute for capital crimes. Several just choose not to.

We need to change it so that they "Have To"
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Do we know motive and how the murder was carried out?
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This topic makes a point of saying that the guy has been charged, but the $400,000 that they were using as a reward for her safe return is now going towards the investigation to "catch anyone responsible for her death" - it sounds to me like they've detained a main suspect, but they're still putting out feelers and working to get a better understanding of the murder. Could be wrong, definitely not a police/forensics expert or whatever the fuck, so any useful info that isn't "he fucking did it you slimy liberal fuck" would be appreciated on the matter.

If the illegal immigrant did it, then he did it. Throw the book at him, chuck him in jail, deport him - whatever. But from what I read in this article, they're still investigating the cause of death and looking into any other possible leads. One guy has been detained and charged, but I'm not calling anything until they close the case, put this guy on trial and convict him of murder. If he is responsible, then he deserves to be hit with the full force of the law - right now seems to still be early days.

Again - I'm a bit ignorant on matters like these, I'm just going off of the idea that they're still looking into this with that $400,000. Any non-inflammatory commentary on the matter would be appreciated to help me better understand the situation, and the legal standing of the illegal immigrant regarding this crime.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government's E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing. On Monday, the authorities visited our farm and talked to our employees. We have cooperated fully with their investigation.

So, either the guy was legal, or someone screwed up.

Screaming "immigrant! HURR DURR!" is either disingenuous or ignorant, probably willfully so.

So two GameFAQs threads point out that this guy was an illegal immigrant, but it turns out that the guy was vetted by a government program and was cleared to work?

I can't wait for this whole case to get worked out so we know all the facts, instead of facing a wall of "ILLEGAL MURDERER! HANG HIM BY THE FUCKING NECK!!".
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MrMallard posted...

I can't wait for this whole case to get worked out so we know all the facts, instead of facing a wall of "ILLEGAL MURDERER! HANG HIM BY THE FUCKING NECK!!".

Do keep in mind, however, that "let's wait for all the facts" is used as a form of mockery.

Also keep in mind, for every complaint of the left conflating immigrants and illegal immigrants, there's someone on the right doing that anyway.

pinky0926 posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

lol....comparing a border to the bill of rights. get out of here with that nonsense

The nonsense here is making your mind up about an international scale issue because of an incident like this.

If I found you say, 10 stories about immigrants doing wonderful things for America, would your stance change to "let's open the borders laissez-faire", or in that case would you say it's ridiculous to use anecdotes like this?

Nope, they're illegal and broke the law. Being born doesn't give you right to just come to America.

Why should illegals get a free pass? And why should we have open borders and not verify and check and vet and control who we let in here?

kayoticdreamz posted...

pinky0926 posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

lol....comparing a border to the bill of rights. get out of here with that nonsense

The nonsense here is making your mind up about an international scale issue because of an incident like this.

If I found you say, 10 stories about immigrants doing wonderful things for America, would your stance change to "let's open the borders laissez-faire", or in that case would you say it's ridiculous to use anecdotes like this?

Nope, they're illegal and broke the law. Being born doesn't give you right to just come to America.

Why should illegals get a free pass? And why should we have open borders and not verify and check and vet and control who we let in here?

Which is a completely different conversation to the one this topic is about, which is summarily "see an illegal murdered someone, that's all you need to know about illegals!"

Quite straightforward really. Don't use cases like this to justify your political stance.
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Abyssea posted...

Then need to change the law in Iowa to allow the death penalty in cases where an attractive white girl gets murdered.

First Kate Steinle, now this.

Why do illegal immigrants kill attractive white girls?
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The killer claims he "blacked out" and doesn't remember actually killing her

pinky0926 posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

pinky0926 posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

lol....comparing a border to the bill of rights. get out of here with that nonsense

The nonsense here is making your mind up about an international scale issue because of an incident like this.

If I found you say, 10 stories about immigrants doing wonderful things for America, would your stance change to "let's open the borders laissez-faire", or in that case would you say it's ridiculous to use anecdotes like this?

Nope, they're illegal and broke the law. Being born doesn't give you right to just come to America.

Why should illegals get a free pass? And why should we have open borders and not verify and check and vet and control who we let in here?

Which is a completely different conversation to the one this topic is about, which is summarily "see an illegal murdered someone, that's all you need to know about illegals!"

Quite straightforward really. Don't use cases like this to justify your political stance.

which is exactly what you're doing. You're trying to say all illegals are not like that (no shit, we aren't clones of each other), but this crime and many like it could simply be avoided by having a damn border wall.

Since illegals are law breakers to begin with, the logic of, "build a wall, control immigration" makes perfect sense. Not only does it maintain law and order and civility, but it also prevents murders like this one.

This persons murder is not justifying my stance, it is verifying my stance. I had this stance long before Molly got killed because I am one of the ones that say this is the kind of stuff that happens when you have unchecked open borders.

So you stop using this as a "This is an exception" political stance as an excuse to say we don't need border security and that illegals should get amnesty.

I don't care if it's mother teresa, if she hopped the border illegally, then she needs to be deported, and if she won't go peacefully, thats what guns are for.

kayoticdreamz posted...

which is exactly what you're doing. You're trying to say all illegals are not like that (no shit, we aren't clones of each other), but this crime and many like it could simply be avoided by having a damn border wall.

No, what I'm doing is pointing out the problem with advocating for large scale reform using the basis of a single crime as justification. Likewise I would not say we need to open up the borders because of X immigrant who pulled a baby out of a fire, because that would be dumb.

Since illegals are law breakers to begin with, the logic of, "build a wall, control immigration" makes perfect sense. Not only does it maintain law and order and civility, but it also prevents murders like this one.

This requires several fairly large jumps in reasoning. Should we ban white people from schools, because white people are the ones committing mass gun killing sprees in schools? You could point to any of those circumstances and say "see, if that kid wasn't in that school this wouldn't have happened".

Incidentally it also presumes that building a wall will even be effective at controlling illegal immigration and the jury is still out on that one.

This persons murder is not justifying my stance, it is verifying my stance. I had this stance long before Molly got killed because I am one of the ones that say this is the kind of stuff that happens when you have unchecked open borders.

It doesn't verify your stance at all no more than giving a monkey a machine gun and sitting patiently until he hits a target at random justifies the position that monkeys are crackshots with a rifle.

So you stop using this as a "This is an exception" political stance as an excuse to say we don't need border security and that illegals should get amnesty.

I don't care if it's mother teresa, if she hopped the border illegally, then she needs to be deported, and if she won't go peacefully, thats what guns are for.

If you want to talk about whether putting up a wall will have a net social benefit and needs to be done I think that's a different conversation to "see this woman got killed, that's why we need the wall", which is completely how you phrased this topic.

Your last point sums up your position quite well though. No matter how good a person is, the only solution is to deport them immediately and failing that shoot them. I mean we couldn't possibly look at other solutions like getting that saint of a person a visa because they will obviously make America better, that would be dumb...wait I thought Trump was all about merit-based migration reform? Or is that just bullshit?
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Rob Cesternino posted...

Abyssea posted...

Then need to change the law in Iowa to allow the death penalty in cases where an attractive white girl gets murdered.

First Kate Steinle, now this.

Why do illegal immigrants kill attractive white girls?

they must know they're our most precious resource. :( our national treasures.
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MrMallard posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government's E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing. On Monday, the authorities visited our farm and talked to our employees. We have cooperated fully with their investigation.

So, either the guy was legal, or someone screwed up.

Screaming "immigrant! HURR DURR!" is either disingenuous or ignorant, probably willfully so.

So two GameFAQs threads point out that this guy was an illegal immigrant, but it turns out that the guy was vetted by a government program and was cleared to work?

I can't wait for this whole case to get worked out so we know all the facts, instead of facing a wall of "ILLEGAL MURDERER! HANG HIM BY THE FUCKING NECK!!".

The plot thickens.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/22/us/mollie-tibbetts-iowa-student-autopsy/index.html
"Someone screwed up" happened, but you can't really blame the employer for what looks like legit paperwork.

pinky0926 posted...

If I found you say, 10 stories about immigrants doing wonderful things for America, would your stance change to "let's open the borders laissez-faire", or in that case would you say it's ridiculous to use anecdotes like this?

People doing good things for society should be the rule, not the exception, so that example is invalid. It's the negative exceptions that must be addressed at every turn because ignoring them in order to fit a narrative would be unconscionable.
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pinky0926 posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

which is exactly what you're doing. You're trying to say all illegals are not like that (no shit, we aren't clones of each other), but this crime and many like it could simply be avoided by having a damn border wall.

No, what I'm doing is pointing out the problem with advocating for large scale reform using the basis of a single crime as justification. Likewise I would not say we need to open up the borders because of X immigrant who pulled a baby out of a fire, because that would be dumb.

Since illegals are law breakers to begin with, the logic of, "build a wall, control immigration" makes perfect sense. Not only does it maintain law and order and civility, but it also prevents murders like this one.

This requires several fairly large jumps in reasoning. Should we ban white people from schools, because white people are the ones committing mass gun killing sprees in schools? You could point to any of those circumstances and say "see, if that kid wasn't in that school this wouldn't have happened".

Incidentally it also presumes that building a wall will even be effective at controlling illegal immigration and the jury is still out on that one.

This persons murder is not justifying my stance, it is verifying my stance. I had this stance long before Molly got killed because I am one of the ones that say this is the kind of stuff that happens when you have unchecked open borders.

It doesn't verify your stance at all no more than giving a monkey a machine gun and sitting patiently until he hits a target at random justifies the position that monkeys are crackshots with a rifle.

So you stop using this as a "This is an exception" political stance as an excuse to say we don't need border security and that illegals should get amnesty.

I don't care if it's mother teresa, if she hopped the border illegally, then she needs to be deported, and if she won't go peacefully, thats what guns are for.

If you want to talk about whether putting up a wall will have a net social benefit and needs to be done I think that's a different conversation to "see this woman got killed, that's why we need the wall", which is completely how you phrased this topic.

Your last point sums up your position quite well though. No matter how good a person is, the only solution is to deport them immediately and failing that shoot them. I mean we couldn't possibly look at other solutions like getting that saint of a person a visa because they will obviously make America better, that would be dumb...wait I thought Trump was all about merit-based migration reform? Or is that just bullshit?

you're still ignoring the fact that they are by virtue of being here and simply that, breaking the law. a white student, isn't breaking the law by virtue of simply going to school. It isn't until said white kid shoots people that the law is being broken. You can't punish law abiding citizens until they've broken the law just because you think they MIGHT break the law.

Illegals are illegal, they are law breakers. Why should we ignore that? you keep ignoring that point. That white kid is an american citizen born by american citizens. That illegal is illegal and should be prosecuted as such. Anything else they do is simply pouring gasoline on the fire.

To say we need to ban all white kids from schools is like saying we need to ban all americans from american schools. The logic is asine.

Now if said white kid is an illegal, then he deserves the same treatment of our mexican illegals.

pinky0926 posted...

Incidentally it also presumes that building a wall will even be effective at controlling illegal immigration and the jury is still out on that one.

I don't know if that is the only answer....but I do know that is a fantastic starting point.

as for me I would:

1. build a wall
2. patrol the wall
3. temporarily ban all immigration and refugees so we can get a handle on who is here now and do not lift this ban until this process has been completed.
4. deal with any new illegals/refugees with harshness. Let it be known coming here will be dangerous for their health and potentially their life. in essence, ENFORCE points 1 and 2.
5. Get rid of the 40 some odd days it takes to verify crap, make it simple. are you illegal? why are you here? have to you been here before? in most cases this will mean deportations immediately.
6. no amnesty.

while this is being done, take a long look at current immigration laws so they can be revised as they have been steadily becoming a giant mess since the 1965 immigration act where we went from controlled immigration to everyone and their mother can come here for any reason at all.

Funbazooka posted...

Calling them illegal immigrants is very offense. The correct terminology is "unregistered sightseer"

IIRC some colleges in California really did ban the phrase illegal immigrant as "hate speech", during the election I think
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Questionmarktarius posted...

MrMallard posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government's E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing. On Monday, the authorities visited our farm and talked to our employees. We have cooperated fully with their investigation.

So, either the guy was legal, or someone screwed up.

Screaming "immigrant! HURR DURR!" is either disingenuous or ignorant, probably willfully so.

So two GameFAQs threads point out that this guy was an illegal immigrant, but it turns out that the guy was vetted by a government program and was cleared to work?

I can't wait for this whole case to get worked out so we know all the facts, instead of facing a wall of "ILLEGAL MURDERER! HANG HIM BY THE FUCKING NECK!!".

The plot thickens.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/22/us/mollie-tibbetts-iowa-student-autopsy/index.html
"Someone screwed up" happened, but you can't really blame the employer for what looks like legit paperwork.

Yeah. Well, it's good to have any new information about this case anyway - still waiting for things to really come together, but either way Mollie Tibbetts' death is fucked up and I hope they nail the guy who did it.

VectorChaos posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Calling them illegal immigrants is very offense. The correct terminology is "unregistered sightseer"

IIRC some colleges in California really did ban the phrase illegal immigrant as "hate speech", during the election I think

Any chance that it was banned because Trump supporters called anyone who looked vaguely Hispanic or middle-eastern "illegals" during the election? Because it seems plausible to me that Trump fans would have used it against anyone who looked vaguely off-white, including people whose families immigrated legally and who might have grown up in the States.

You generalise a group of people, and that shit gets cracked down upon. Any decent person wouldn't characterise all Muslims as terrorists, so why generalise hispanic-looking people as all being illegal immigrants?
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