Current Events > More young Americans and Democrats support socialism than capitalism

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https://news.gallup.com/poll/240725/democrats-positive-socialism-capitalism.aspx

But the older populations (and Republicans) mostly support capitalism over socialism.

It's sad that our education system is corrupting young minds, but hopefully as they get older and wiser they realize that regulated capitalism is the best economic system we have ever devised.
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Great, with uneducated idiots voting Trump, and young idiots voting socialism, our country's future looks bleak

Socialism is great until you're the one paying the taxes
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Makes sense. Young generation got a raw deal and the solution the older generation has is to dismiss their concerns with "work harder"

Not suggesting that I endorse socialism as a governing philosphy btw
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They just want free college.

And for apple to give all their trillions away so that we all have a living wage.

Meanwhile, they have the latest iphone.
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I wonder if this has any correlation with all of the young americans that support neo-nazis and white supremacy. Young Americans refuse to learn from history, maybe we need some more statues dedicated to Goebbels, Hitler, and Stalin to be erected next to all the Confederate ones so we can finally learn a thing or two about the past.
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Being closer to a 50/50 split should lead to candidates that are more willing to regulate capitalism. That said, young people still don't bother voting.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

They just want free college.

And for apple to give all their trillions away so that we all have a living wage.

Meanwhile, they have the latest iphone.

Some of those ungrateful fucks even have refrigerators.
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Proudclad, you realize that we have _some_ socialism in this country already, right? roads being owned by the government is a form of socialism.

so does the article say these "young people and Democrats" want pure socialism, where everything is owned by the state? or just aspects of it integrated into our society, like we have today, but just more of it, notably for things like healthcare?
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Also it'd be important to make the distinction between say Scandanavia and something like Venezuela

A fair number of people I've spoken to associate socialism with the former (even tho Scandanavia isn't really socialist) and not so much the latter
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They have no idea what socialism means.

A lot of people think that public health insurance is socialism, or even just basic worker protections.

And of course, there are some loonies that actually want Marx-style socialism.

But polls like this are pretty meaningless if everyone who answers it have their own different interpretation of just what the fuck socialism actually means.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

They just want free college.

And for apple to give all their trillions away so that we all have a living wage.

Meanwhile, they have the latest iphone.

Some of those ungrateful fucks even have refrigerators.

Woosh
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

It's sad that our education system is corrupting young minds, but hopefully as they get older and wiser they realize that regulated capitalism is the best economic system we have ever devised.

That's not true in my experience. All my education has been pro-capitalism and even neoliberal in college. I went to Penn State so it wasn't some no name small school.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

They just want free college.

And for apple to give all their trillions away so that we all have a living wage.

Meanwhile, they have the latest iphone.

Some of those ungrateful fucks even have refrigerators.

Woosh

Close the fucking door, you millenial. All the food is going to spoil!
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the american socialist platform is "free shit for everyone," not too surprising that people who don't have much see that favorably
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A_Good_Boy posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

They just want free college.

And for apple to give all their trillions away so that we all have a living wage.

Meanwhile, they have the latest iphone.

Some of those ungrateful fucks even have refrigerators.

Woosh

Close the fucking door, you millenial. All the food is going to spoil!

There there goodboy
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AlephZero posted...

the american socialist platform is "free shit for everyone," not too surprising that people who don't have much see that favorably

Worked great for Venezuela
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Master_Bass posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

It's sad that our education system is corrupting young minds, but hopefully as they get older and wiser they realize that regulated capitalism is the best economic system we have ever devised.

That's not true in my experience. All my education has been pro-capitalism and even neoliberal in college. I went to Penn State so it wasn't some no name small school.

Same for me. The problem is that people dont know what anything besides capitalism is.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

AlephZero posted...

the american socialist platform is "free shit for everyone," not too surprising that people who don't have much see that favorably

Worked great for Venezuela

good thing that's not what any real socialist movement actually says
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A_Good_Boy posted...

I wonder if this has any correlation with all of the young americans that support neo-nazis and white supremacy. Young Americans refuse to learn from history, maybe we need some more statues dedicated to Goebbels, Hitler, and Stalin to be erected next to all the Confederate ones so we can finally learn a thing or two about the past.

There's certainly an element of populism that is reactionary. Commies and Nazis hate each other, and as one side grows the other side will grow too. As a reaction to the other side growing. That's why we need strong moderate voices more than ever.
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Probably just don't wanna work.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

I wonder if this has any correlation with all of the young americans that support neo-nazis and white supremacy. Young Americans refuse to learn from history, maybe we need some more statues dedicated to Goebbels, Hitler, and Stalin to be erected next to all the Confederate ones so we can finally learn a thing or two about the past.

There's certainly an element of populism that is reactionary. Commies and Nazis hate each other, and as one side grows the other side will grow too. As a reaction to the other side growing. That's why we need strong moderate voices more than ever.

Not asking sarcastically, but does anyone currently in government or running fit that description?

Perhaps it has something to do with coming out of college on the heels of the Great Recession into an economy that is still stagnating while workers wages have basically flatlined compared to what our economic growth is showing? Capitalism, and especially the whole Reganomics type, and specifically in the West, hasn't improved the lives of a good number of people which has forced them to look for alternatives.

It's the same reason why populism and nationalism in general has been on the rise recently, and ditto for Libertarianism. You basically have an entire generation of people who haven't seen tangible results in conventional capitalism and are begging for a change to the entire system.

This isn't even defending any of these alternatives, but it's the most logical response. You tell people for decades that the system they have is the best yet show little to no actual results for the average person, and they'll eventually sneak alternatives. You can only bullshit the masses for so long before they react.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

Probably just don't wanna work.

It's because in high school and college you've got a ton of educators brainwashing them with factually wrong information about seizing the means of production, nationalizing everything, penalizing private property, etc. They don't know better because most of them have never even held a real job.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Capitalism, and especially the whole Reganomics type, and specifically in the West, hasn't improved the lives of a good number of people which has forced them to look for alternatives.

I disagree with your assessment, but it's hilarious that someone who believes this would posit socialism as a viable alternative for improving the standard of living. Even though we've seen throughout the entire 20th and 21st centuries that it simply collapses standards of living and entire countries.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Probably just don't wanna work.

It's because in high school and college you've got a ton of educators brainwashing them with factually wrong information about seizing the means of production, nationalizing everything, penalizing private property, etc. They don't know better because most of them have never even held a real job.

on the contrary, i was a diehard libertarian in college and i hated the idea of paying for other people to be lazy.

then i grew up, experienced the real world for a while and i was converted back to a Democrat.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

Probably just don't wanna work.

This rhetoric is dumb as hell and you see it from a large number of folks

Handwaving legitimate concerns younger generations have with the economy and labor market as "you're too lazy" is stupid and insulting

Not to mention pretty intellectually lazy
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Doom_Art posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Probably just don't wanna work.

This rhetoric is dumb as hell and you see it from a large number of folks

Handwaving legitimate concerns younger generations have with the economy and labor market as "you're too lazy" is stupid and insulting

Not to mention pretty intellectually lazy

Can't deny that it's partially correct, either. I mean, who WANTS to work?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Capitalism, and especially the whole Reganomics type, and specifically in the West, hasn't improved the lives of a good number of people which has forced them to look for alternatives.

I disagree with your assessment, but it's hilarious that someone who believes this would posit socialism as a viable alternative for improving the standard of living. Even though we've seen throughout the entire 20th and 21st centuries that it simply collapses standards of living and entire countries.

I'm not even saying that, only that people shouldn't be surprised to see differing and more "outsider" ideologies on the rise. This isn't a phenomenon with just college students or just on one side, or even in the states, it's happening in all generations across the West entirely.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Probably just don't wanna work.

This rhetoric is dumb as hell and you see it from a large number of folks

Handwaving legitimate concerns younger generations have with the economy and labor market as "you're too lazy" is stupid and insulting

Not to mention pretty intellectually lazy

Can't deny that it's partially correct, either. I mean, who WANTS to work?

Are there any households in the country where neither parent works and the kids aren't complete fuck-ups?
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Dyinglegacy posted...

Can't deny that it's partially correct, either. I mean, who WANTS to work?

That's not what you were suggesting though
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Uncle Choad posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Probably just don't wanna work.

This rhetoric is dumb as hell and you see it from a large number of folks

Handwaving legitimate concerns younger generations have with the economy and labor market as "you're too lazy" is stupid and insulting

Not to mention pretty intellectually lazy

Can't deny that it's partially correct, either. I mean, who WANTS to work?

Are there any households in the country where neither parent works and the kids aren't complete fuck-ups?

umm... God and Mary weren't working when they had Jesus, thank you very much.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Probably just don't wanna work.

It's because in high school and college you've got a ton of educators brainwashing them with factually wrong information about seizing the means of production, nationalizing everything, penalizing private property, etc. They don't know better because most of them have never even held a real job.

That's so laughably false it almost hurts. No one is brainwashing anyone, people who have struggled due to conventional Reganomic style economy want a change from convention. Stagnant wages and losses of jobs have created a culture where people are desperate for something, or someone, to change the system and don't give a damn if that means changing their prior held assumptions.

See: Donald "King of debt and insane spending" Trump as a Republican
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Capitalism, and especially the whole Reganomics type, and specifically in the West, hasn't improved the lives of a good number of people which has forced them to look for alternatives.

I disagree with your assessment, but it's hilarious that someone who believes this would posit socialism as a viable alternative for improving the standard of living. Even though we've seen throughout the entire 20th and 21st centuries that it simply collapses standards of living and entire countries.

I'm not even saying that, only that people shouldn't be surprised to see differing and more "outsider" ideologies on the rise. This isn't a phenomenon with just college students or just on one side, or even in the states, it's happening in all generations across the West entirely.

It's only happening in the west because of a concerted and organized effort to brainwash an entire generation into radical leftism, all as a means of trying to collapse America from within.
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Spooking posted...

When you have folks like Bernie Sanders yell FREE healthcare, FREE education, NO RENT, UBI, ect... and young, gullible people who don't question it, then it's easy to see why they would gravitate towards him. For Bernie, it's a desperation move to get votes and support, while for the youth, they think they will get everything in life for free.

It's hilarious to see a Trump supporter calling anyone else gullible. You're not wrong about Bernie, but you lack the self awareness to see you're also describing yourself

It isn't about not working but working less or not as hard.

A usi wage isn't supposed to pay for much so that people still do jobs.

Ex: being a youtuber

You could try that now and not get a dime for a long time and maybe start making money but get very little.

Now imagine a usi wage. You can subside off that until you get up and running and then making a little becomes alot.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

It's only happening in the west because of a concerted and organized effort to brainwash an entire generation into radical leftism, all as a means of trying to collapse America from within.

By who (and for what reason)?

@A_Good_Boy

Above I mixed up universal basic income and living wage. Maybe that is why you didn't understand my post. My bad.
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luigi13579 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

It's only happening in the west because of a concerted and organized effort to brainwash an entire generation into radical leftism, all as a means of trying to collapse America from within.

By who (and for what reason)?

Control. Rich people and politicians will control everyone's income like they do in Europe. Be happy with what you have vs. getting more because you want it, etc.

Example: Europeans don't (and can't) own anything LOL
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Godnorgosh posted...

Master_Bass posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

It's sad that our education system is corrupting young minds, but hopefully as they get older and wiser they realize that regulated capitalism is the best economic system we have ever devised.

That's not true in my experience. All my education has been pro-capitalism and even neoliberal in college. I went to Penn State so it wasn't some no name small school.

Your experience will also vary widely by major. As a philosophy major, I was blessed with an outstanding education in Marxism. But we're vastly outnumbered by all the business, econ, and poli sci folk.

> Outstanding education
> ends up becoming a Marxist

pick one
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luigi13579 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

It's only happening in the west because of a concerted and organized effort to brainwash an entire generation into radical leftism, all as a means of trying to collapse America from within.

By who (and for what reason)?

China, Russia, and probably Saudi Arabia and other middle eastern countries. For the purpose of eliminating the one remaining large roadblock to implementing surveillance states and total control over everyone.
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Doom_Art posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Can't deny that it's partially correct, either. I mean, who WANTS to work?

That's not what you were suggesting though

Partly. I just didn't feel like saying anything else because this is gamefaqs, and I grow weary of this place. Come here when I'm at work, like I am now. Maybe the occastional shit break from home.

I don't want to work, but I do because I must. It's a for sure thing that some of the socilalism crowed are just losers who don't go past the "I don't wanna work. Universal base income sounds kewl!" train of thought.

I'm sure there's many who actually have legitimate concerns that reach beyond their own laziness.
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This is because if you are under 30 years old, you are more than likely never going to see retirement.
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Uncle Choad posted...

luigi13579 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

It's only happening in the west because of a concerted and organized effort to brainwash an entire generation into radical leftism, all as a means of trying to collapse America from within.

By who (and for what reason)?

Control. Rich people and politicians will control everyone's income like they do in Europe. Be happy with what you have vs. getting more because you want it, etc.

Example: Europeans don't (and can't) own anything LOL

I think this is a load of bullshit.

Godnorgosh posted...

Master_Bass posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

It's sad that our education system is corrupting young minds, but hopefully as they get older and wiser they realize that regulated capitalism is the best economic system we have ever devised.

That's not true in my experience. All my education has been pro-capitalism and even neoliberal in college. I went to Penn State so it wasn't some no name small school.

Your experience will also vary widely by major. As a philosophy major, I was blessed with an outstanding education in Marxism. But we're vastly outnumbered by all the business, econ, and poli sci folk.

Not sure if satire or serious
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I went to college in Boston, majoring in journalism but taking classes in economics and political science. Marxism was in no way part of our curriculum.
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Sayoria posted...

This is because if you are under 30 years old, you are more than likely never going to see retirement.

If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation.

This assumes you stash away just $200 a month for that long, and that you never get a raise, never get any match from any employer, and never make extra money from a side business. In other words, if someone is under 30 and is able-bodied and doesn't retire when they reach retirement age, it's because they were being a fucking loser.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Sayoria posted...

This is because if you are under 30 years old, you are more than likely never going to see retirement.

If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation.

This assumes you stash away just $200 a month for that long, and that you never get a raise, never get any match from any employer, and never make extra money from a side business. In other words, if someone is under 30 and is able-bodied and doesn't retire when they reach retirement age, it's because they were being a fucking loser.

In fact, the numbers are even more impressive if you're serious about saving for retirement, because you should easily be able to save much more than $200 per month. With that much time for compounding interest to do its work, there's no reason why the average American cannot retire as a multi-millionaire. The basic math checks out, so cry me a river.
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